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BATB- A romance novel in a TV show form... What's not to love?
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Post by hopefulromantic on May 13, 2014 20:52:41 GMT -5
Oh WOW. I see some of you didn't like season 2 at all. I only started watchinc BATB 2 months ago when it was already on hiatus and watched the whole two seasons in 2 days. So maybe that's why I feel differently, Im sure if I was invested in the show and watched the show week after week like you guys maybe then I'd feel the same. But I have to say I did enjoy season 2, yes I may not have liked the whole Tori storyline but I for one am glad we never saw them sleep together or seen them kiss after that original kiss.
The thing is shows need to do this kind of things, one for the characters to grow and change. They need angst that's what makes people watch. I feel there was more angst in season 1 then in season 2. I guess also I didn't mind it so much cuz even though they we're broken up, they still had scenes together and in the scenes they had together or separate I could still see them care for each other, more on Vincent's part like when he walked in on Cat kissing Patrick, and with the JT scene afterwards and then even in Hostages with Vincent scenes with Gabe and in the end end of the epi with VinCat. I know a lot of people feel like the only reason why Vincent started fighting for Cat was cuz Tori died and she told him he belongs with Cat. But even before Tori died the whole episode you could see Vincent still had feelings for Cat for gods sakes even Tori knew it. And when Vincent was confronted with it by Tori he couldn't deny it. I don't know I really don't think the season was bad at all. I do admit watching season 1 again and then season 2 again it feels like its a different show and to be honest I don't even know which season I like better. Season 1 everyone just wanted them to kiss already and be together but in season 2 at least we have had them together on and off but they have more or less have been together from epi 1. We didn't have to wait 16 episode before they kissed again. I might be the only one who feels this way, but they did have to go more into the darker side of being a beast, and so that Vincent can know both sides of it. I did find it stupid that the epi Tori died is the episode that Cat choose to be with Gabe but they couldn't just make Vincent try to get her back right then and there cuz we'd be back to season 1 and the whole being second choice thing. And like the writers said she needed to explore the possibility of being with someone who isn't a beast, whos father approves of, who has money and so on. They rushed it all a bit but that's cuz they didn't know if season 3 was possible and I think they wanted to end the season 2 with a happily ever after thing. But look at the bright side the writers did say that when they come back together they will be stronger then ever. And season 3 will be about who they r together so we know they wont tear them apart. Last thing Ill say is I feel Catherine needed this time to find out who SHE is. Cuz last yr was all about Vincent... But This year is still all about Vincent and will continue so until next year.Brad Kern already made it very clear that's the character he most interested in.Cat have no storyline that isnt dedicated to all about Vincent,even when they seperated.This show is not about her mostly,its about writers's favorite,Vincent.yay! I'm willing to bet that Catherine herself is the key to everything and will be your star very soon! Throughout the entire series so far, there have been increasing amounts of hints that Catherine has some "magic" power over beasts. And I'm thinking we're going to find out a lot more about it in the next few episodes. Tough to be patient, though. You know... Good things come to those who wait...
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Post by vincat4always on May 13, 2014 20:55:43 GMT -5
Oh WOW. I see some of you didn't like season 2 at all. I only started watchinc BATB 2 months ago when it was already on hiatus and watched the whole two seasons in 2 days. So maybe that's why I feel differently, Im sure if I was invested in the show and watched the show week after week like you guys maybe then I'd feel the same. But I have to say I did enjoy season 2, yes I may not have liked the whole Tori storyline but I for one am glad we never saw them sleep together or seen them kiss after that original kiss.
The thing is shows need to do this kind of things, one for the characters to grow and change. They need angst that's what makes people watch. I feel there was more angst in season 1 then in season 2. I guess also I didn't mind it so much cuz even though they we're broken up, they still had scenes together and in the scenes they had together or separate I could still see them care for each other, more on Vincent's part like when he walked in on Cat kissing Patrick, and with the JT scene afterwards and then even in Hostages with Vincent scenes with Gabe and in the end end of the epi with VinCat. I know a lot of people feel like the only reason why Vincent started fighting for Cat was cuz Tori died and she told him he belongs with Cat. But even before Tori died the whole episode you could see Vincent still had feelings for Cat for gods sakes even Tori knew it. And when Vincent was confronted with it by Tori he couldn't deny it. I don't know I really don't think the season was bad at all. I do admit watching season 1 again and then season 2 again it feels like its a different show and to be honest I don't even know which season I like better. Season 1 everyone just wanted them to kiss already and be together but in season 2 at least we have had them together on and off but they have more or less have been together from epi 1. We didn't have to wait 16 episode before they kissed again. I might be the only one who feels this way, but they did have to go more into the darker side of being a beast, and so that Vincent can know both sides of it. I did find it stupid that the epi Tori died is the episode that Cat choose to be with Gabe but they couldn't just make Vincent try to get her back right then and there cuz we'd be back to season 1 and the whole being second choice thing. And like the writers said she needed to explore the possibility of being with someone who isn't a beast, whos father approves of, who has money and so on. They rushed it all a bit but that's cuz they didn't know if season 3 was possible and I think they wanted to end the season 2 with a happily ever after thing. But look at the bright side the writers did say that when they come back together they will be stronger then ever. And season 3 will be about who they r together so we know they wont tear them apart. Last thing Ill say is I feel Catherine needed this time to find out who SHE is. Cuz last yr was all about Vincent... But This year is still all about Vincent and will continue so until next year.Brad Kern already made it very clear that's the character he most interested in.Cat have no storyline that isnt dedicated to all about Vincent,even when they seperated.This show is not about her mostly,its about writers's favorite,Vincent.yay!
I don't necessarily agree with you on that. Yes last year was all about Vincent. But not this year really. Cat did have her own storyline in a way with her father and so did Vincent but then those two storylines became one. And now they are going to go into the mythology of why they are destined. But theres a big factor with her greant aunt. I think it feels like she doesn't have a storyline because her storyline brings her back to Vincent's storyline. But that's just a way to show that they are destined. If you look closely Catherine has had storylines that one didn't necessarily involve Vincent; in the beginning at least. Like finding out her father wasn't who she thought he was. And then now finding out about her great aunt and that gem. The only reason why it seems like its Vincent storyline is because the gem controlled beasts which obviously involves Vincent.
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Post by cacosa on May 13, 2014 21:49:18 GMT -5
Oh WOW. I see some of you didn't like season 2 at all. I only started watchinc BATB 2 months ago when it was already on hiatus and watched the whole two seasons in 2 days. So maybe that's why I feel differently, Im sure if I was invested in the show and watched the show week after week like you guys maybe then I'd feel the same. But I have to say I did enjoy season 2, yes I may not have liked the whole Tori storyline but I for one am glad we never saw them sleep together or seen them kiss after that original kiss.
The thing is shows need to do this kind of things, one for the characters to grow and change. They need angst that's what makes people watch. I feel there was more angst in season 1 then in season 2. I guess also I didn't mind it so much cuz even though they we're broken up, they still had scenes together and in the scenes they had together or separate I could still see them care for each other, more on Vincent's part like when he walked in on Cat kissing Patrick, and with the JT scene afterwards and then even in Hostages with Vincent scenes with Gabe and in the end end of the epi with VinCat. I know a lot of people feel like the only reason why Vincent started fighting for Cat was cuz Tori died and she told him he belongs with Cat. But even before Tori died the whole episode you could see Vincent still had feelings for Cat for gods sakes even Tori knew it. And when Vincent was confronted with it by Tori he couldn't deny it. I don't know I really don't think the season was bad at all. I do admit watching season 1 again and then season 2 again it feels like its a different show and to be honest I don't even know which season I like better. Season 1 everyone just wanted them to kiss already and be together but in season 2 at least we have had them together on and off but they have more or less have been together from epi 1. We didn't have to wait 16 episode before they kissed again. I might be the only one who feels this way, but they did have to go more into the darker side of being a beast, and so that Vincent can know both sides of it. I did find it stupid that the epi Tori died is the episode that Cat choose to be with Gabe but they couldn't just make Vincent try to get her back right then and there cuz we'd be back to season 1 and the whole being second choice thing. And like the writers said she needed to explore the possibility of being with someone who isn't a beast, whos father approves of, who has money and so on. They rushed it all a bit but that's cuz they didn't know if season 3 was possible and I think they wanted to end the season 2 with a happily ever after thing. But look at the bright side the writers did say that when they come back together they will be stronger then ever. And season 3 will be about who they r together so we know they wont tear them apart. Last thing Ill say is I feel Catherine needed this time to find out who SHE is. Cuz last yr was all about Vincent... I can say that, yes, I liked the second season, much as or more than the first, of course it has had some things with which I disagree, but what show doesn't? I have seen Catherine lost, say one thing and do another, like Vincent. I've seen them act like fools when they were with other couples. I've laughed, fought, suffered and enjoyed with them, always looking forward to the next episode. Maybe it's because I came to them without knowing them and without knowing who was more or less important , God knows I've never followed the process of a series as I do with this. Anyway, I will continue enjoying the few, or many, I hope, episodes, they give us, and enjoy the scenes between Catherine and Vincent.
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on May 13, 2014 22:12:21 GMT -5
But This year is still all about Vincent and will continue so until next year.Brad Kern already made it very clear that's the character he most interested in.Cat have no storyline that isnt dedicated to all about Vincent,even when they seperated.This show is not about her mostly,its about writers's favorite,Vincent.yay!
I don't necessarily agree with you on that. Yes last year was all about Vincent. But not this year really. Cat did have her own storyline in a way with her father and so did Vincent but then those two storylines became one. And now they are going to go into the mythology of why they are destined. But theres a big factor with her greant aunt. I think it feels like she doesn't have a storyline because her storyline brings her back to Vincent's storyline. But that's just a way to show that they are destined. If you look closely Catherine has had storylines that one didn't necessarily involve Vincent; in the beginning at least. Like finding out her father wasn't who she thought he was. And then now finding out about her great aunt and that gem. The only reason why it seems like its Vincent storyline is because the gem controlled beasts which obviously involves Vincent.
The point is that they changed her character. She started out S1 as a strong female lead, and then she became a weak female almost out of the starting gate in S2. We saw glimpses of the old Cat sometimes, but for the most part TPTB forgot who the heck she was supposed to be in S2. The old Cat would have never allowed the way Gabe talked to or treated her, or the crap he said about Vincent. You could see Vincent's character development happening at a certain point, but Cat, on the other hand, back-slid embarrassingly. But then again, the old Cat saw had a spine. Just the fact that she would go there with Gabe... I'll never feel the same way about her again.
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Post by raniamahd on May 14, 2014 7:10:22 GMT -5
SpydancerLovesVincat you are amazing dear friend and its amazing how you are good with words and how you can express what some of us think and feel but can't put it in the perfect words like you do i am waiting for the rest of s2 and s3 with one wish and prayer that things will be different than what we saw in s2 till now , and that we will never ever go throw that hell again in any possible way Yolie said that and i trust her this is for you and i hope every thing is and will be great in your pregnancy Thanks. I just wanted to say that the fact that we are getting a S3 can't and won't change how I feel about S2, that's all. I guess I got a little carried away with my pregnant self :-) I totally trust Yolie, and I do believe that things will be different from here on out. But truth be told, and this is a big one, I thought things would be different earlier in S2 but they just kept going and going and going with the freaking love triangle business. It was awful. i totally understand you , i was pregnant last year too with my baby girl Sara maybe pregnancy hormones made me attached and invested more and more with the show especially because that pregnancy was different because it had been a long time since i gave birth to my two sons and it was my first and only girl too , i fond it after e6 , i watched those six eps in less than 2 days and wait impatiently for the next episode , then i volunteered to translate the eps into my language , it was hard especially for a pregnancy woman because our language isn't easy at all ! lets just say we have so many synonyms for every word in English and we love to talk much and use many words to express the meaning but i was thrilled to be the first one who watch the episodes every week and have even a tiny role in deliver that amazing show i love to my people ( i didn't know then that i would turn to a torture in S2 ) , i gave birth to Sara 2 days before the last episode ( actually today 14 May is her first birthday ) so i didn't watch the last e in its time but i did once i could sit on the bed by my own after the surgery because i can't wait more ! now you see how much time , effort , emotions i invested in this show and in vincat love story ?! maybe that is the problem like vincat4always said ! because of all that it was really painful to watch them turned the show in S2 to another ridiculous soap oprah where sex triangles , sleeping around , cheating , who is the father , those are the target and the purpose themselves and the only drama they care for or can come with but i still have hope things will change from now on and we will have our beloved show back on track , i think they learn their lesson now from the rating and the reaction of the fans , BATB isn't like any soap oprah or teenager show on CW , also 13 eps in S3 would absolutely have no place for those crap ( thank God for that ) + again Yolie assure that and she earned our trust by her honesty and that every thing she said came true right ?
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Post by Nelly on May 14, 2014 8:41:15 GMT -5
I need to add just a few minor observations. Why is that some have double standards when looking at what Vincent has done and what Gabe has done? We can forgive Vincent for killing and hurting others but can not forgive Gabe? (and as this is a sci-fi I don't expect anyone to behave normally) As Vincent wanted to change and redeem himself in Catherine's eyes Gabe wanted to do the same. The other thing I don't really understand as why do we call this show a soap opera with love triangles? THAT part is like 10% of the show. So many thing is happening in the show besides who sleeps with whom...
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on May 14, 2014 8:48:39 GMT -5
I need to add just a few minor observations. Why is that some have double standards when looking at what Vincent has done and what Gabe has done? We can forgive Vincent for killing and hurting others but can not forgive Gabe? (and as this is a sci-fi I don't expect anyone to behave normally) As Vincent wanted to change and redeem himself in Catherine's eyes Gabe wanted to do the same. The other thing I don't really understand as why do we call this show a soap opera with love triangles? THAT part is like 10% of the show. So many thing is happening in the show besides who sleeps with whom... I can answer the first question not the second cause I really don't see the show as a soap . in fact I hate soap operas with a passion. Regarding the first question to put it simply the main difference between v and g is that v is essentially a good heroic person and g is essentially an ugly person inside and a coward. Having said that I love baddies if they are multidimensional and multifaceted but to me Gabe is not yet a convincing or compelling enough baddie. So it is not a matter of forgiving him. U always need a baddie in a show. Maybe Gabe proves to be the best baddie ever from now on but not fully with him yet.
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Post by Nelly on May 14, 2014 9:10:18 GMT -5
I need to add just a few minor observations. Why is that some have double standards when looking at what Vincent has done and what Gabe has done? We can forgive Vincent for killing and hurting others but can not forgive Gabe? (and as this is a sci-fi I don't expect anyone to behave normally) As Vincent wanted to change and redeem himself in Catherine's eyes Gabe wanted to do the same. The other thing I don't really understand as why do we call this show a soap opera with love triangles? THAT part is like 10% of the show. So many thing is happening in the show besides who sleeps with whom... I can answer the first question not the second cause I really don't see the show as a soap . in fact I hate soap operas with a passion. Regarding the first question to put it simply the main difference between v and g is that v is essentially a good heroic person and g is essentially an ugly person inside and a coward. Having said that I love baddies if they are multidimensional and multifaceted but to me Gabe is not yet a convincing or compelling enough baddie. So it is not a matter of forgiving him. U always need a baddie in a show. Maybe Gabe proves to be the best baddie ever from now on but not fully with him yet. Um? Heroic? I don't see anything heroic in what Vincent does...
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 9:20:39 GMT -5
Definitely not in Season 2. I think she's referring to pre-Season 2.
I think this does drill down to the basic problem the show had this season though. The good guy is the bad guy, and the bad guy is the good guy. Such a weird and confusing situation that many viewers just couldn't get their heads wrapped around it.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on May 14, 2014 9:22:07 GMT -5
I can answer the first question not the second cause I really don't see the show as a soap . in fact I hate soap operas with a passion. Regarding the first question to put it simply the main difference between v and g is that v is essentially a good heroic person and g is essentially an ugly person inside and a coward. Having said that I love baddies if they are multidimensional and multifaceted but to me Gabe is not yet a convincing or compelling enough baddie. So it is not a matter of forgiving him. U always need a baddie in a show. Maybe Gabe proves to be the best baddie ever from now on but not fully with him yet. Um? Heroic? I don't see anything heroic in what Vincent does... probably wrong choice of word he is always trying to save others and help others even when he does not have to and even when it is actually to his detriment what is the right word for that? selfless? either way u get the gist of what i am trying to say the main point i was making is that gabe and vincent are very differen tpeople and i dont need to forgive gabe, since we need somebody to stir the boat etc etc. my issue with gabe is that as a baddie he could have been scripted/written much better than he has
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on May 14, 2014 9:25:19 GMT -5
Definitely not in Season 2. I think she's referring to pre-Season 2. I think this does drill down to the basic problem the show had this season though. The good guy is the bad guy, and the bad guy is the good guy. Such a weird and confusing situation that many viewers just couldn't get their heads wrapped around it. not in season 2 when he was not himself but he is back to being himself now but probably my choice of word is anyway unfortunate, not sure what the best word is to describe him i dont think the bad guy/good guy thing was too confusing i think most people knew that gabe was putting up a front cause his character was very blunt and unconvincing as a good person, he was like a robot and vincent was going through hell himself so i would not class him as bad in season 2
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Post by Nelly on May 14, 2014 9:34:45 GMT -5
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Post by vincat4always on May 14, 2014 9:57:32 GMT -5
I need to add just a few minor observations. Why is that some have double standards when looking at what Vincent has done and what Gabe has done? We can forgive Vincent for killing and hurting others but can not forgive Gabe? (and as this is a sci-fi I don't expect anyone to behave normally) As Vincent wanted to change and redeem himself in Catherine's eyes Gabe wanted to do the same. The other thing I don't really understand as why do we call this show a soap opera with love triangles? THAT part is like 10% of the show. So many thing is happening in the show besides who sleeps with whom...
It's not double standards really. Gabe was just someone she worked with who betrayed her in so many ways but Vincent is the man she loves. And all of us who have been in love know that when you love someone you forgive. Yes Vincent has done some awful things but even in our eyes Vincent is more redeemable then Gabe. And Gabe only did all those things to get on Catherine's good graces cause he had feelings for her and knew once Vincent was out of the picture he could be there for her to pick up the pieces. All we knew of Gabe last season was he was evil and well Vincent was kind sweet loving care and the list goes on. So it is much easier for us all to forgive Vincent cause we know he has a good heart.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 10:23:21 GMT -5
The whole situation around this show has left many shaking their heads I think. Network exec's from other networks, industry insiders, the many pundits who prognosticate, etc, etc. Now, the question in my mind is how The CW will promote (if they even will) Season 3 of this show. No appearance by Jay and Kristin at the Upfronts. Apparently no appearance at the Comic-con in San Diego in July. It seems that BATB will take on an almost outlier status among "network" shows where the whole traditional business model is set aside. Very interesting. I hate to admit it, but I find this aspect of BATB more interesting than the show itself.
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Post by Nelly on May 14, 2014 10:26:36 GMT -5
I need to add just a few minor observations. Why is that some have double standards when looking at what Vincent has done and what Gabe has done? We can forgive Vincent for killing and hurting others but can not forgive Gabe? (and as this is a sci-fi I don't expect anyone to behave normally) As Vincent wanted to change and redeem himself in Catherine's eyes Gabe wanted to do the same. The other thing I don't really understand as why do we call this show a soap opera with love triangles? THAT part is like 10% of the show. So many thing is happening in the show besides who sleeps with whom...
It's not double standards really. Gabe was just someone she worked with who betrayed her in so many ways but Vincent is the man she loves. And all of us who have been in love know that when you love someone you forgive. Yes Vincent has done some awful things but even in our eyes Vincent is more redeemable then Gabe. And Gabe only did all those things to get on Catherine's good graces cause he had feelings for her and knew once Vincent was out of the picture he could be there for her to pick up the pieces. All we knew of Gabe last season was he was evil and well Vincent was kind sweet loving care and the list goes on. So it is much easier for us all to forgive Vincent cause we know he has a good heart.
I accept that and don't get me wrong I am 100% pro Vincent. Well, that's not surprising. I just don't hate Gabe blindly just because he is Gabe. I do understand his actions and the way he acts. He did all those things because he fell in love with Catherine. Alternative motive? Um... no. As a bad guy he thought that was the right behaviour, it's in his nature. It is not his fault Catherine chose Vincent. So if he goes against Vincent and Catherine I would understand that too. BUT that is his purpose as a character, another obstacle in Vincent and Catherine's relationship.
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