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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Oct 17, 2015 18:03:55 GMT -5
Not one BATB peep..............so disappointing.  |
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Post by DayaBEASTS4 on Oct 17, 2015 19:55:12 GMT -5
Not one BATB peep..............so disappointing. CW was lying all the time ( BATB is our baby )  No promotion at all. Not mention BATB in that interview is sooo a low blow to the fans..  Can you believing?? that's make me very angry   I will never support any CW show.. they will have to pay me  |
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Post by bbatb on Oct 18, 2015 1:03:42 GMT -5
Wow! What a kick in the stomach! Our beloved show was not even worth a one-line-mention to Mark Pedowitz during the interview. How sad is that? I am immediately going back to voting. Let's show him that WE have not forgotten about the best show ever coming to this network - not that they deserved to have it, the way they are treating BATB. |
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Post by bbat on Oct 18, 2015 5:34:53 GMT -5
After season 1 it’s always been like the CW was ashamed of BATB and wanted to hide our show in the closet towards the press. Guess we should be grateful that we were not mentioned among the failures like Starcrossed and The Messenger...
Let's go vote! Now more than ever!
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Post by hackerjustice on Oct 18, 2015 9:52:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure why some of you guys are directing your negative feelings towards Pedowitz. You guys received four seasons, two full and two half, for a show that was poor in ratings, probably only because it was generating a minor profit and Pedowitz had an affinity for it. I understand feeling hurt or dissatisfied because other people don't recognize the show in the same way you guys do, but it is still a for profit business, and from a third person perspective of one who is doing an interview about the supposed turnaround of CW, I can also understand why they didn't feel BatB was part of it.
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Oct 18, 2015 10:00:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure why some of you guys are directing your negative feelings towards Pedowitz. You guys received four seasons, two full and two half, for a show that was poor in ratings, probably only because it was generating a minor profit and Pedowitz had an affinity for it. I understand feeling hurt or dissatisfied because other people don't recognize the show in the same way you guys do, but it is still a for profit business, and from a third person perspective of one who is doing an interview about the supposed turnaround of CW, I can also understand why they didn't feel BatB was part of it. I totally disagree. Do you think for one minute that if BATB didn't make money for the CW he would have given them those 4 seasons? Do you think he gave it out of some charity or anything. NO......he knows that this show has a strong international support, no matter what the US ratings were, and he sees that he can still make money off BATB in syndication. He would have never kept the show if he didn't think he could make money down the road. |
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Post by bbat on Oct 18, 2015 10:44:37 GMT -5
I have no idea how profitable BATB really is financially. None of us does, I suppose.
But M.P. mentioned all the CW drama shows of the last two years, the successes and the failures. I understand that from the CW’s view BATB falls in neither of those categories: It never had really good ratings and was never critically acclaimed(to put it mildly).
So in the past, when the CW wanted to say something positive about BATB (rare enough) they always used the term "fan-favorite".
And that’s what it was, undoubtedly, beloved with a passion by fans all over the world, like rarely any other CW show!
It would be have been nice if he at least had put one more thought at our show and acknowledged that much, and not denying its existence again towards the press, as usual…
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 12:06:54 GMT -5
Straw man arguments are what emerge when emotions get in the way.
However, criticism of Pedowitz is perfectly valid in my opinion. He IS the one that hired Brad Kern. After that hiring the show went downhill both in quality and in the ratings. So, if we want to play the blame-game, those two are at the top of the list.
Also, FWIW, I believe the show cancellation decision was probably made even before the S4 renewal. They were obviously targeting a specific episode count to better sell the show after production stopped. BATB can still make money even long after the shows cancellation since all the production costs go away.
Anyways, it's all water under the bridge at this point. It makes little sense for anyone to get all wound up about it.
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Post by pippin on Oct 18, 2015 13:32:22 GMT -5
Getting wound up seems perfectly fine to me, especially if it keeps people motivated to vote and promoting the show in a positive way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 13:44:52 GMT -5
Getting wound up seems perfectly fine to me, especially if it keeps people motivated to vote and promoting the show in a positive way. Well, obviously everybody is free to get wound/unwound as they see fit, but to what end, in this case? In the past much of the effort was aimed at convincing TPTB to increase promotion, win awards, not cancel the show, etc, etc. No possibilities any more along those lines. At this point it's mainly just a feel-good effort the fans can partake in. I can understand that aspect, but I don't see the point in anyone getting wound up in a negative way regarding all that's happened. |
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Post by hackerjustice on Oct 18, 2015 15:18:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure why some of you guys are directing your negative feelings towards Pedowitz. You guys received four seasons, two full and two half, for a show that was poor in ratings, probably only because it was generating a minor profit and Pedowitz had an affinity for it. I understand feeling hurt or dissatisfied because other people don't recognize the show in the same way you guys do, but it is still a for profit business, and from a third person perspective of one who is doing an interview about the supposed turnaround of CW, I can also understand why they didn't feel BatB was part of it. I totally disagree. Do you think for one minute that if BATB didn't make money for the CW he would have given them those 4 seasons? Do you think he gave it out of some charity or anything. NO......he knows that this show has a strong international support, no matter what the US ratings were, and he sees that he can still make money off BATB in syndication. He would have never kept the show if he didn't think he could make money down the road. I'm not sure what happened to my post, but I never implied it was a charity case by Pedowitz. Like I clearly said, it made a profit and the CW is ultimately a profit making business. What was implied was that his affinity for the show may have given it a better chance for continuance as a power broker against other executive members of the corporation who might have held a position that it wasn't making enough profits to justify its survival. I don't know how strong the international support is for this show in terms of garnering the CW profits, but apparently it wasn't enough to continue it further. There are other possibilities too. Maybe one the leads didn't want to continue anymore. As I stated in a post elsewhere - I can't remember exactly where - and this is related too what dave said, one of the primary reasons Kristin decided to come back to the CW was the show's creators - Levin and Cooper. Once they were removed from the show for whatever reason, so was a major motivator for one of the leads. That is something Pedowitz can be blamed for if he ultimately made the decision to replace them with Kern who took the show in a direction that wasn't apparently liked by many fans of it. |
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Oct 19, 2015 11:47:25 GMT -5
While BATB may not have been a success ratings-wise, it still won PCA's in two previous years. In other words, for all the years it was eligible for so far. And the CW had its beginnings as the WB, a network that was once proud of having shows that were considered "cult" or "fan faves" (anyone remember "Felicity?" I believe that Entertainment Weekly just gave that former show its cover. And it did not have so many fans in the end.)
So BATB does deserve a nod, one way or another, in giving the CW some recognition in the awards arena as well as being one of those shows that a dedicated group of fans feel strongly about, at least in my opinion. Granted, that is only my own opinion, but I think that it is one that other BATB fans share. Why wouldn't that be something to be proud of when listing successes of a network? Having a show that viewers fight practically religiously over several years should be something to brag about.
Quite frankly, since this is the Everything Thread, I personally admit that I blame Brad Kern for the show's failure more than anyone else, mainly because the shows most objectionable plots (at least, in reading Beasties' comments) came under his explicit direction. So yes, my admittedly limited sewing skills will most likely produce a little Voodoo doll with the initials "B.K." scrawled across it's front that will hold EVERY excess sewing needle and pin that I own. While blame can probably be spread around, I shall happily pin-poke the doll and feel somewhat better. To each his or her own. And if Brad Kern didn't fight to keep Jennifer and Sherri on board, who best understood the leads in my opinion, then there just aren't enough pins in the world to cover the fabric of the BK doll. Sigh.
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Post by DayaBEASTS4 on Oct 19, 2015 20:21:50 GMT -5
WoW!!   The point was he did not mention BATB in the interview, and all other show had mention, my quesion is... WHY?? what's the point of that.. he forgot?? I dont think.. was cause the ratings? I dont even what to think!!  Star Cross The Tomorrow People  yeah.. right..  I know the ratings sucks!! I know that the season 3 and 4 looks more like agreement between parties (Good for us).. But that does mean that never exist? |
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Post by batb4evr1 on Oct 19, 2015 21:50:41 GMT -5
The disappointment that this fantastic show never got the exposure, promotion and support it deserved after the 2nd or 3rd episode is overwhelming indeed! I think it is only fair that the Beasties are allowed to vent their disappointment if no where else then here within our forum, our DEN! I think those who had the power and could have done much more to give our show the chance it deserved from the start but oddly held back and promoted less talented and tritely scripted shows on the CW may have had an agenda it seems almost from the start marked by the extremely suspect timing of the departure of the extremely talented show's creators - Levin and Cooper.  |
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Post by BeastieBoy on Oct 19, 2015 23:25:32 GMT -5
It doesn't bother me. He's mentioned BATB in past interviews, so saying nothing this time is no biggie to me. I'd rather he say nothing at all than say something negative about the show. That would have sucked more.
I expect (hope) at a later date, closer to when S4 airs, there will be some mention again to set the stage for the final season.
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The point was he did not mention BATB in the interview, and all other show had mention, my quesion is... WHY?? what's the point of that.. he forgot?? I dont think.. was cause the ratings?
Star Cross 
yeah.. right.. 
