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Post by bbatb on May 12, 2016 9:26:06 GMT -5
I'd stand there frozen and stunned, looking like a deer in headlights; given that the love of my life is in distress over the man who snagged me away in a net, wiped my mind erasing all memory of said love of my life and turned me into a heartless killing machine. LOL.  Kidding aside, I think the even bigger lost opportunity for 312 was the ending bar scene. That could have and should have been a much more emotional conversation between VinCat. Some of it was the dialogue they were given by the writers, but some of it was the acting and/or direction. They should have been sitting much closer to each other and a simple thing like Vincent reaching for Cat's hand or putting his arm around her would have made a big difference. Those types of things can't be blamed on the show runner or the writers, they're not even there on set. But all in all, I think that the current group of writers are okay for supernatural/sci-fi story lines, but lack the ability to create emotionally intimate dialogue for VinCat's relationship. Something that Jennifer & Sherri and the team of writers for S1 excelled at. I hope they will prove me wrong for S4, but I doubt they will. Actually, your 'funny' response above is what one of my friends in another forum suggested: Vincent is frozen, because he did not realize just how attached Catherine was to Bob. Indeed THAT was also one of my problems with the whole Catherine/Bob relationship, her calling him DAD all the time and then beeing soooo broken up over his death. So, she has forgiven him for what he did to Vincent and herself, but how can you FORGET something like that so easily? But that is the very question I asked myself all through S2 in respect to another nasty character. Redemption for these writers and BK consists of buying a lot of coffee and mixing a questionable - and in the end useless - serum. Completely agree about the ending - which was par for the course, since we had many lukewarm endings with wine glasses between them and barley any touching. |
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Post by dan on May 12, 2016 11:02:24 GMT -5
I'd stand there frozen and stunned, looking like a deer in headlights; given that the love of my life is in distress over the man who snagged me away in a net, wiped my mind erasing all memory of said love of my life and turned me into a heartless killing machine. LOL. Kidding aside, I think the even bigger lost opportunity for 312 was the ending bar scene. That could have and should have been a much more emotional conversation between VinCat. Some of it was the dialogue they were given by the writers, but some of it was the acting and/or direction. They should have been sitting much closer to each other and a simple thing like Vincent reaching for Cat's hand or putting his arm around her would have made a big difference. Those types of things can't be blamed on the show runner or the writers, they're not even there on set. But all in all, I think that the current group of writers are okay for supernatural/sci-fi story lines, but lack the ability to create emotionally intimate dialogue for VinCat's relationship. Something that Jennifer & Sherri and the team of writers for S1 excelled at. I hope they will prove me wrong for S4, but I doubt they will. Actually, your 'funny' response above is what one of my friends in another forum suggested: Vincent is frozen, because he did not realize just how attached Catherine was to Bob. Indeed THAT was also one of my problems with the whole Catherine/Bob relationship, her calling him DAD all the time and then beeing soooo broken up over his death. So, she has forgiven him for what he did to Vincent and herself, but how can you FORGET something like that so easily? She always Forget and forgive Vincent(for cheating with Alex,Tori,the shove,the car crash,the beast hostility) so easily so forgiving Gabe should be a walk on the cake for Cat. That's the kind of woman that beast writers perceived as 'strong female'apparently. |
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Post by BeastieBoy on May 12, 2016 11:55:40 GMT -5
Actually, your 'funny' response above is what one of my friends in another forum suggested: Vincent is frozen, because he did not realize just how attached Catherine was to Bob. Indeed THAT was also one of my problems with the whole Catherine/Bob relationship, her calling him DAD all the time and then beeing soooo broken up over his death. So, she has forgiven him for what he did to Vincent and herself, but how can you FORGET something like that so easily? She always Forget and forgive Vincent(for cheating with Alex,Tori,the shove,the car crash,the beast hostility) so easily so forgiving Gabe should be a walk on the cake for Cat. That's the kind of woman that beast writers perceived as 'strong female'apparently. Yes, she's always too forgiving. But it's just wrong for her to call Bob "Dad" throughout S3 and call the man who really was her father, for all intents and purposes, "Thomas" in Chasing Ghosts. That bit of writing bothered me even more than Cat forgiving and then dating Gabe. BTW, nice to see you back dan . I hope you get your wish for more Catherine centered arcs in S4. |
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Post by missingalias on May 12, 2016 12:30:05 GMT -5
She always Forget and forgive Vincent(for cheating with Alex,Tori,the shove,the car crash,the beast hostility) so easily so forgiving Gabe should be a walk on the cake for Cat. That's the kind of woman that beast writers perceived as 'strong female'apparently. Yes, she's always too forgiving. But it's just wrong for her to call Bob "Dad" throughout S3 and call the man who really was her father, for all intents and purposes, "Thomas" in Chasing Ghosts. That bit of writing bothered me even more than Cat forgiving and then dating Gabe. BTW, nice to see you back dan . I hope you get your wish for more Catherine centered arcs in S4. I don't mind her forgiving people easily as I'm a rather forgiving person too (although nothing to that extent has ever happened to me!  ) but what bothers also me that there is never any talk about her actual father who raised her and who she loved all her life. I don't think he has been brought up since he died! I also miss the original tess and cat relationship as they were very similar to me and my best girl friends. That was one of the things I loved about the series in addition to VinCat chemistry. Them talking boys and life,having fun but also calling eachother out when necessary. I blame BK mostly (and his trusted writers) He has brought in all the things I don't like and taken away almost all the things I love. But still.. I'm a diehard batb fan until the end. I just hope they really bring the season 1 back to the final season.  |
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Post by bbatb on May 12, 2016 14:14:03 GMT -5
Yes, she's always too forgiving. But it's just wrong for her to call Bob "Dad" throughout S3 and call the man who really was her father, for all intents and purposes, "Thomas" in Chasing Ghosts. That bit of writing bothered me even more than Cat forgiving and then dating Gabe. BTW, nice to see you back dan . I hope you get your wish for more Catherine centered arcs in S4. I don't mind her forgiving people easily as I'm a rather forgiving person too (although nothing to that extent has ever happened to me! ) but what bothers also me that there is never any talk about her actual father who raised her and who she loved all her life. I don't think he has been brought up since he died! I also miss the original tess and cat relationship as they were very similar to me and my best girl friends. That was one of the things I loved about the series in addition to VinCat chemistry. Them talking boys and life,having fun but also calling eachother out when necessary.
I blame BK mostly (and his trusted writers) He has brought in all the things I don't like and taken away almost all the things I love. But still.. I'm a diehard batb fan until the end. I just hope they really bring the season 1 back to the final season. Highlighted sentence is my mantra - word for word! And I too, will stay with the show till the wheels fall off. |
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Post by BeastieBoy on May 12, 2016 15:58:44 GMT -5
Yes, she's always too forgiving. But it's just wrong for her to call Bob "Dad" throughout S3 and call the man who really was her father, for all intents and purposes, "Thomas" in Chasing Ghosts. That bit of writing bothered me even more than Cat forgiving and then dating Gabe. BTW, nice to see you back dan . I hope you get your wish for more Catherine centered arcs in S4. I don't mind her forgiving people easily as I'm a rather forgiving person too (although nothing to that extent has ever happened to me! ) but what bothers also me that there is never any talk about her actual father who raised her and who she loved all her life. I don't think he has been brought up since he died! I also miss the original tess and cat relationship as they were very similar to me and my best girl friends. That was one of the things I loved about the series in addition to VinCat chemistry. Them talking boys and life,having fun but also calling eachother out when necessary. I blame BK mostly (and his trusted writers) He has brought in all the things I don't like and taken away almost all the things I love. But still.. I'm a diehard batb fan until the end. I just hope they really bring the season 1 back to the final season. It's funny that you should mention that Tess & Cat's S1 relationship was very similar to your own. A big part of the reason Cat calling Bob "Dad" really bothers me is it mirrors my own life situation. My mom married my adoptive dad when I was very young. I never met my birth father until I was an adult (just about the same age Cat was when she met Reynolds in fact). My "dad" is the man who raised me, I refer to my birth father by his first name and would never call him "dad". Anyway, I'm resigned to the fact that BK's BATB will never be the same as the S1 BATB. I totally get where bbatb is coming from, her mantra is loud and clear. But I do suspect there are other BTS factors at play. Also, like dan, I yearn for more Cat centered episodes as well. But with 401 being titled "Monsieur et Madame Bete" (Mr & Mrs Beast), I'm sure we'll just get more of the same Beast focused plot lines. That's just where BK's head is at. With Jennifer & Sherri, the story started from Cat's point of view and most of S1 continued to unfold from Cat's perspective. That made the Beast more mysterious, vulnerable and dangerous. Now he's just like a normal dude who can beast out on command. With BK at the helm, I'm certain many of the same fan complaints raised during S3 will rise again. I can already see the repetitive dialogue in the promo. Nevertheless, like S3, I am determined to enjoy S4 for its positives rather than dwell on the negatives. Frankly, I'm just happy we even got S3 and S4. |
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on May 12, 2016 19:00:41 GMT -5
My problem with S3 writing goes farther than I think what anyone has said here in this thread. Multiple times, you would have these really important, really traumatic scenes, and BAM--they're over, no one mentions what is troubling about said scene, and nothing further occurs. And what had happened was REALLY traumatic, and people SHOULD be really affected. Which just shouldn't be for ONE scene.
Some people have called it "character assassination." And it appears that way when NO ONE appears to comment on said rash behavior. You have Catherine (arguably) increasingly acting angry and seemingly over-the-top with no one stopping to question what is really going on with her. She has to handle an ALARMINGLY number of situations where her loved ones die or nearly die, only to have the next crisis happen. She's continually QUESTIONED about her instincts, which OVER and over again proved accurate. Yet no one questions the scary after-affects of what seemed to be happening to her.
There could have been more planned to explain or deal with what was going on. Her attacking Juliana SHOULD have been discussed more in-depth. Catherine has lost so much, only to be led to a person that seemingly is fixing to callously kill ANOTHER person Cat loves. And ALL while claiming it is for the better good, etc. Sound familiar? NO WONDER Cat completely loses it, in my mind. After EVERYTHING that has happened to her, she is continually "protected" by those around her, all claiming to do things "for her own good." Vincent busts her biological father out from jail without discussing it with her, although people would SURELY come looking for Cat. AND the action results in Bob's death, mainly because he, too, insisted on AGAIN taking over and doing things without her present, etc.
And Cat baits those she shouldn't bait. But it is like she has hit her OWN trigger. And being continuously forced to live through the SAME kinds of tragedies.
Frankly, Cat's actions/reactions actually often made sense to me, from this point of view. HOWEVER, no one seems to take the time to appropriately comfort or DEAL with stuff. Granted, viewers don't want countless minutes or hours of psychobabble, but the WRITERS really MISSED TIMES when VinCat COULD have been depicted as GROWING CLOSER through dealing with their traumas TOGETHER and ONSCREEN. If Cat got the support and love (and help) she needed, I sure didn't see it on screen.
And like others, I would have liked it to have segued into CAT'S OWN storyline. I HAVE ALWAYS believed that Vanessa was "called" to her own work through realizations of Cat's genetics. Cat COULD have come to realize that she would have INEVITABLY been destined to meet Vincent anyway and work with him. (The LOVE was something they CHOSE and found on their own.) Still would have made for potential excellent storytelling to have Cat have HER OWN issues rather than just live off Vincent's.
Sigh. Like BeastieBoy, I AM THRILLED that we have a S4 at all. And I certainly looked forward to S3 at the time and even enjoyed certain episode-arcs. The Villains had so much more potential, IF they didn't have to wink in and out of existence, due to the limited time.
But good writing CAN do so much, even with limited time. S5 Fringe was short but covered SO much. Peter nearly lost it after the death of his and Olivia's daughter, YET Olivia is able to get him back through their LOVE. It was SO EMOTIONAL the way BOTH actors portrayed following apart AND in dealing with their own "character assassinations" that had occurred during the season, ALL which were EXPLAINED AND DEALT WITH, and used to show the STRENGTH of the LOVE and BOND between the characters AND their future child/family. It ALL ended up being about "FAMILY": how you can even LOSE YOURSELF through LOSS, but overcome through LOVE.
And BATB could have done the SAME in S3 had they DEALT with the character fallout, PARTICULARLY CATHERINE'S from the previous two Seasons. NO ONE has faced more betrayal, in my humble opinion, then her, although Vincent comes in a CLOSE second. And THAT could have bonded them closer had we actually got to SEE them deal with THAT rather than with Season 3 pettiness.
Based on Gillian's tweets, I DON'T think that the writers have now learned a thing. The repetitive dialogue will continue. They don't GET that we want the EMOTIONAL growth of the lovers as well as the physical. And that is NOT by exposing PETTINESS.
BUT, we WILL still get some increased VinCat closeness this upcoming season, due to the writers KNOWING it was most likely the last season. And by then, they had to have SOME inkling about what Beasties hated.
If Gillian is implying that Jay and KK might not have wanted to do further naked love scenes, then she entirely missed the point about what Beasties really want. YES, I loved AMP. No doubt. But it was the WORDS and DEEDS that came BEFORE the passionate moments that so resonated with me. VinCat DEALT with Vincent's fear of being intimate with Cat and what it might do to him. And Cat showed herself OPEN to moving forward with him through TRUST. The LOVE portrayed BEFORE the sex caused the WHOLE THING to resonate deeply within me. THAT is what I am looking for.
The Journey isn't about petty little couple issues. THAT can be handled OFFSCREEN, thank you very much. The IN DEPTH way that Cat spoke directly to Vincent about his fears so that they could MOVE FORWARD said EVERYTHING for the LOVE between the two of them. THAT is what I miss and want more of. THAT UNFAILING LOVE AND DEVOTION and above all else TRUST that was LACKING in much of Season 2 and Season 3.
Okay, another long long post. But HOPEFULLY, it made sense! Give me that EMOTIONAL connection between VinCat! Give me BACK the VINCAT that NOTICED every little fear in the other one AND DEALT WITH it through TRUST and willingness to struggle through, even when the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder kicks into play due to past episodes. (WHERE oh WHERE are the WRITERS that just seemingly UNDERSTOOD that in Season 1!!!!)
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 2:06:25 GMT -5
My problem with S3 writing goes farther than I think what anyone has said here in this thread. Multiple times, you would have these really important, really traumatic scenes, and BAM--they're over, no one mentions what is troubling about said scene, and nothing further occurs. And what had happened was REALLY traumatic, and people SHOULD be really affected. Which just shouldn't be for ONE scene. Some people have called it "character assassination." And it appears that way when NO ONE appears to comment on said rash behavior. You have Catherine (arguably) increasingly acting angry and seemingly over-the-top with no one stopping to question what is really going on with her. She has to handle an ALARMINGLY number of situations where her loved ones die or nearly die, only to have the next crisis happen. She's continually QUESTIONED about her instincts, which OVER and over again proved accurate. Yet no one questions the scary after-affects of what seemed to be happening to her.
There could have been more planned to explain or deal with what was going on. Her attacking Juliana SHOULD have been discussed more in-depth. Catherine has lost so much, only to be led to a person that seemingly is fixing to callously kill ANOTHER person Cat loves. And ALL while claiming it is for the better good, etc. Sound familiar? NO WONDER Cat completely loses it, in my mind. After EVERYTHING that has happened to her, she is continually "protected" by those around her, all claiming to do things "for her own good." Vincent busts her biological father out from jail without discussing it with her, although people would SURELY come looking for Cat. AND the action results in Bob's death, mainly because he, too, insisted on AGAIN taking over and doing things without her present, etc. I think that Jan & Sherry were able to mix some sci-fi elements with the personal journey of characters. But if you see the most part of shows that have been successful, hasn't got that in depth analysis of characters. I think network saw in those intimate dialogues the cause of BATB low ratings and tried with more action and more sci-fi elements to bring more young or male viewers. I don't speak for our loving guys on this forum, but the most part of men and young people aren't interested in Cat's feelings or in Vincent's personal problem. But this path is revealed itself as a failure: no new viewers (at least not of those categories) and the lost of a lot of previous viewers. Plus with only 13 eps writers didn't thought that was useful to use that short time with at least a part of those dialogues. They coudn't change the path another time so they will go on this way |
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Post by pippin on May 13, 2016 13:26:34 GMT -5
The S content label doesn't necessarily mean there will be an Insatiable or AMP type scene. If you look at the content ratings for other episodes, Kidnapped, About last Night, Beast is the New Black and others also had the S label so it could be anything from implied to racy. Or there could be an AMP type scene but maybe it's Heather and Kyle LOL. Can you imagine the tweets poor, blameless Gillian will receive if VinCat's honeymoon bedroom scene is the closed mouth smooch fading to black leading into a raunchy bedroom scene with Heather and Kyle. However according to Hitower's tweets, there is a "racy" VinCat scene in an upcoming episode. You sure know how to kill the mood. LOL. If it's a Heather scene and not VinCat's honeymoon there will be a revolt for sure!  I thought Hitower's tweet was referring to another later episode. Anyway, I've learned my lesson and never get my hopes up anymore. I recall CA's tease about VinCat ripping their clothes off in 301, never really happened. But that 301 rooftop scene was hot nonetheless. EDIT: It doesn't have to be AMP/Insatiable caliber (but sure would be nice); I'll take something like Kidnapped, About Last Night or Beast is the New Black all day long. I don't think a single ep in S3 was rated S. Yes, probably didn't write that clearly. The Hitower tweet was referring to a later episode. Since this thread is only for 401 spoilers, I probably shouldn't have mentioned that. But that tease from CA about the ripping clothes in 301 wasn't her wording. That came from those production notes that she sent a pic of. To me that just illustrates again that the writers can be writing things ("kiss passionately" "rip each others clothes off" "get in the shower and begin to undress one another") but if the actors don't want to do it or the director has some thing else in mind . . we get what we got. bbatb Not so sure about some beasties expectations going by some tweets I've already seen. And I was under the impression that Beasties liked the proposal and wedding scenes which were BK written episodes. I thought Tess and JT had some sweet romantic scenes so I think the writers are at least somewhat capable. I just think that they are having a harder time writing VinCat and KK and JR were having more difficulty selling it. |
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Post by BeastieBoy on May 13, 2016 14:21:49 GMT -5
You sure know how to kill the mood. LOL. If it's a Heather scene and not VinCat's honeymoon there will be a revolt for sure! I thought Hitower's tweet was referring to another later episode. Anyway, I've learned my lesson and never get my hopes up anymore. I recall CA's tease about VinCat ripping their clothes off in 301, never really happened. But that 301 rooftop scene was hot nonetheless. EDIT: It doesn't have to be AMP/Insatiable caliber (but sure would be nice); I'll take something like Kidnapped, About Last Night or Beast is the New Black all day long. I don't think a single ep in S3 was rated S. Yes, probably didn't write that clearly. The Hitower tweet was referring to a later episode. Since this thread is only for 401 spoilers, I probably shouldn't have mentioned that. But that tease from CA about the ripping clothes in 301 wasn't her wording. That came from those production notes that she sent a pic of. To me that just illustrates again that the writers can be writing things ("kiss passionately" "rip each others clothes off" "get in the shower and begin to undress one another") but if the actors don't want to do it or the director has some thing else in mind . . we get what we got.bbatb Not so sure about some beasties expectations going by some tweets I've already seen. And I was under the impression that Beasties liked the proposal and wedding scenes which were BK written episodes. I thought Tess and JT had some sweet romantic scenes so I think the writers are at least somewhat capable. I just think that they are having a harder time writing VinCat and KK and JR were having more difficulty selling it.I completely agree. As I mentioned in the Everything thread, that's why I felt the writing was only partly to blame and that GH was hinting that stuff happens BTS that can alter their original vision. @dave has a good point too. The promos are almost always misleading. |
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on May 13, 2016 14:58:53 GMT -5
Amen as to the promos, unfortunately. I absolutely cringed last season due to the way they did the promos, especially for 302 and at least 4 other episodes. They were SO misleading and didn't remotely make one want to watch if you didn't already love the show.
And we never know what is going on behind the scenes. One of the Sherri/Jenn interviews said that they begin doing a lot of JT/Tess because "Kristin needed a break." What the heck was that supposed to mean? I can't imagine an actor complaining about the amount of scenes or dialogue that they had. It could have been that KK wanted good WRITING and not just bedroom scenes. HOWEVER, saying something like that DOES make you wonder if behind the scenes, the actors did not want to do clotheless love scenes. Many actors DON'T like doing those scenes unless they had to, and KK's bedroom scenes were few and far between on Smallville, even when they alluded to what had happened. We DIDN'T get to see Clark and Lana's first time, and even when they got back together (briefly) in Season 8, you see them in bed AFTER the scene. So while KK will do love scenes, they seem to be pretty rare.
And, hey, I actually don't want pointless bedroom scenes, believe it or not. The VinCat stuff in the past has emphasized the ROMANCE aspect of the relationship. It is NOT just too good-looking people hooking up! Even in "Kidnapped," Vincent might not have known who Catherine was, but he KNEW she was telling the truth about having a previous relationship. Plus, he could NOT HELP being attracted to her (feeling the "PULL" between them) to the point that he wanted the relationship with her right THEN. You literally see Vincent being seduced on the spot DESPITE trying to complete his "mission," so the scene plays out in a MEANINGFUL way, even if we don't get an AMP-like scene. That scene STILL felt hot as the realm of Hades, and I didn't feel anything was lacking at that point in the episode. (It was what happened LATER at the club and on the roof that had me cringing, as well as other Beasties worldwide.)
As others have said repeatedly before me, just give me the VinCat ROMANCE. KK and Jay CAN certainly sell that in spades. There are so many Jaystin fans out there DUE ENTIRELY to the way they can sell us their romance on television and even in past interviews together. They just seem to be so comfortable around one another. Even in the blooper reels, they seem to be comfortable and joking with one another. One of the S3 behind the scenes pics supposedly had Jay showing KK something PERSONAL on his cell phone and her clearly going "awww" (I always assumed it was probably a cute pic of Eve!). So the BATB cast SEEMS to be happy and comfortable working with and around one another.
BUT you can see how actors would not want people thinking they were hired JUST to show flesh. So I GET that they want a REASON for such scenes. But that said, a HONEYMOON can sure be a reason to show more than the average. I WILL settle for romance and loving looks and cuddling, as long as it is VINCAT and showing how close and bonded they are NOW.
June 2nd really can't get here fast enough. (Just FIRST give me a chance to see how HAPPY a married VinCat are before throwing in the actions and explosions and beast-hunters, the CW!)
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Post by BeastieBoy on May 13, 2016 17:51:03 GMT -5
Let me offer a different perspective, a kind of "what if" scenario.
Hypothetically, let's say there are two leads, who unlike the Castle leads, get along extremely well. Always have, likely always will. But one of the leads (again hypothetically) enters into a new relationship with someone else who's a crew member on set, watching his or her every move. Something like that could make it more than a bit awkward to do passionate love scenes and might even render kisses less passionate or believable as they once were.
There are all kinds of things that could change behind the scenes with one's personal life that may change the way one approaches their craft. Things that a gag reel might never show.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on May 13, 2016 18:32:12 GMT -5
To go farther with BeastieBoy's point:
And what if that crew member were relatively new to the industry OR not used to the acting side of things. Said person would be expected to be insecure. (Quite frankly, it is interesting that said actor is so careful about keeping her personal life personal, but it really seems the relationship-person put himself out at events to be photographed with her. Definitely indicates possible insecurity, particularly with dating an actor.)
And people in a new relationship tend to want to be together and would certainly mind how the other person sees them. Again, major awkwardness if you actually WORK with the person who might be a crew member on set. Who sees the love scenes, etc. How DO you tell when someone is acting and when they aren't if they do their craft so well?
For those that might remember, VH-1 used to have a "Pop Up Video" segment where informational tidbits would pop-up while the music video aired. When George Michael's "Father Figure" aired, the boyfriend of the model used in the video could NOT be present during certain filming parts of the video, due to the model and George Michael having to be all over one another. Same concept here, really. Would explain just WHY an actor might suddenly NOT want to do heavy flesh-showing love scenes with another actor, especially if the relationship is new AND the other person is insecure.
So yes, an actor or actress not wanting to do multiple love scenes on camera can have NOTHING to do with how they get along or feel about their co-stars. "Castle" has felt off to me for years now, and I quit watching literally by the time of the wedding. I just DIDN'T feel the real connection between Castle and Beckett right when they actually got together. And yet I felt they had done just FINE portraying their relationship up until then and had loved the show previously. But of course, now details have leaked about them basically supposedly hating one another. And so that DID somehow, in my mind, translate onscreen when I was viewing them.
Again, I don't think the relationship between Jay and KK is ANYTHING like that of Katic and Fillion. I think Jay and KK were friendly enough and laughing enough with one another to indicate real friendship. Jay and KK always seemed supportive of the show and never tried to get out of their contracts, despite the ratings. Jay now has a little girl old enough to actually come across BATB on television, but not yet old enough to REALLY understand why daddy is kissing that beautiful lady on tv. So Jay, too, might have reasons to want to not film THOSE kind of scenes too often, unless the scene REALLY called for it.
And KK would have a lot of say about the filming of certain scenes, one would think, having worked on a CW show previously. Plus, if you just show flesh every episode without context, then it becomes almost lightweight porn without plot. So I TRY not to read too much into the lack of S3 moments. STILL, I could have done WITHOUT the pettiness and the obvious things between the actors, such as those wine glasses. SERIOUSLY, given the amount of times that Catherine has consumed WINE during scenes as a COPING mechanism would lead people to REALLY worry that she could be heading towards a problem! (Remember in "Hothead" when Tess tries to tell Cat what she says, and she replies, "a glass of wine?" And Tess replies that she meant THERAPY!)
So PLEASE let S4 be without the dreaded wine glasses. I don't need the love scenes, but I DO need that VinCat CLOSENESS that they so excelled at in S1 and parts of S2. Show me cuddling, planning together, willing to risk everything for LOVE, understanding and lack of blame for Hopeless Situations that the other partner can't help due to inherent Beastness. You get my point. SHOW ME the ROMANCE and the passionate need for one another. It can be WORDS and MEANINGFUL LOOKS, but you had BETTER let me see it Brad Kern!
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Post by beautyandtheleast on May 13, 2016 19:05:22 GMT -5
Let me offer a different perspective, a kind of "what if" scenario. Hypothetically, let's say there are two leads, who unlike the Castle leads, get along extremely well. Always have, likely always will. But one of the leads (again hypothetically) enters into a new relationship with someone else who's a crew member on set, watching his or her every move. Something like that could make it more than a bit awkward to do passionate love scenes and might even render kisses less passionate or believable as they once were. There are all kinds of things that could change behind the scenes with one's personal life that may change the way one approaches their craft. Things that a gag reel might never show. True. Imagine if your significant other who claimed to be your true love was sucking face and sticking their tongue down the throat of some other person while being with barely any clothes on in scenes like AMP. Filming may be awkward, but the multiple times that these types of scenes have to be shot lead to these type of activities occurring over and over again. |
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Post by pippin on May 13, 2016 20:00:55 GMT -5
People have been complaining about VinCat kiss scenes and lack of any more AMP type scenes post Insatiable and I don't think KK was in a any serious relationship during Season 2.
Maybe it is something simple like Jay smokes and Kk always has gum in her mouth. Maybe for the big make out scenes in season 1, Jay was willing to skip the cigarettes and Kk was willing to take the gum out of her mouth but by the time the second season comes around, they are both like ehh let's just keep our mouths and tongues to ourselves, especially if the frequency increases. Or maybe after 2 seasons, KK and Jay can't generate that same heat because they've become too familiar with each other and now it's like trying to make out with a friend. Sometimes I wonder if that's what happens when shows drag out their romances too long. By the time the actors have to do the loves scenes, they feel like they're making out with a family member or worse being sensitive egocentric, artistic types, they've grown to dislike one another.
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) but what bothers also me that there is never any talk about her actual father who raised her and who she loved all her life. I don't think he has been brought up since he died!
