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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 10, 2013 6:24:50 GMT -5
^ I happen to be one of those people who have tweeted my dislike of the Alex arc and recently the sloppy editing of NTB and I was ignored both times. I am the type of person that I tell it like it is..I dint sugar coat anything. I've never had a response from them but that doesn't stop me from expressing how I feel. .it's just that I and a few others can't make a difference...I've suggested already on the board for more to join twitter and express how you feel
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Post by ArwenFan on Jun 10, 2013 12:22:23 GMT -5
The fact that 'VinCat' only started to become a thing once Vincent realise he couldn`t get his old life back (cause alex dumped his ass) made it seem that their so called 'epic love' happened out of default. I can see why that still a problem for the hardcore shippers lol I remember some Smallville fans had the same complaint about Clark and Lois because Clark and Lana didn't end on a "we don't love each other anymore" note. It's kind of hard for me to determine what some fans are upset about because some of the complaints are a mixture of "I hated Alex" and "Vincent is an ass" with a bit of "sloppy writing, inconsistencies, etc." thrown in and some are so negative and hostile I quit reading. I don't deal with the writers or producers. When/if they displease me enough in their story telling I might bale, but as long as I can suspend disbelief and Kristen and Jay can sell it, I'm in. The Alex arc didn't bother me and there have been "trouble spots" in almost all of the episodes. Honestly, I think the near perfect episodes were the exception for the season, but I didn't and don't let the less than stellar episodes ruin my enjoyment of the show. Vincent Chandler, sorry if you were offended and think I was being rude to you. I was not trying to be.
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Post by Liv on Jun 10, 2013 19:05:00 GMT -5
Well, she can't actually say that the arc sucked, right? After all, they have to defend their work, even when is a bad one. Why can't they admit they made a mistake? I guess that'd be the honorable thing to do. Nobody's perfect and there's no shame in that. I refuse to believe that the writers/producers actually think they've done a great work with the Alex sortyline. Either that or they're simply delusional. BatB can go on for 10 seasons and the Alex arc will probably remain on the top of the list of the biggest fiascos ever seen on our show. It is my honest opinion that nothing good came out of it.
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jun 10, 2013 20:01:42 GMT -5
Had the Alex arc been handled differently, it could have been O.K.; maybe even good. The problem was they made it seem as if Catherine was Vincent's second choice and that they made him into a huge, selfish jerk throughout the arc. Then, they made it worse with their lame excuse of "doing the right thing." I am surprised that the writer's could not see this coming. The audience was already invested in Catherine and Vincent. There were better ways to handle the situation of him and his former fiancé running into each other. Good things could have come out of the idea...but, I digress. All we can do now is look forward to Season 2! Let's hope they continue our epic love story rather than having an epic fail arc! Let's hope we get better editing! I cannot wait!
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Jun 11, 2013 0:25:50 GMT -5
Had the Alex arc been handled differently, it could have been O.K.; maybe even good. The problem was they made it seem as if Catherine was Vincent's second choice and that they made him into a huge, selfish jerk throughout the arc. Then, they made it worse with their lame excuse of "doing the right thing." I am surprised that the writer's could not see this coming. The audience was already invested in Catherine and Vincent. There were better ways to handle the situation of him and his former fiancé running into each other. All a person needs to do is read sheeperz fanfic on another thread here to see how they could have handled the whole Alex situation differently. She is awesome as a writer. I wish they would contact her for writing ideas on our beloved show! As for the Alex storyline - yeah, it is a dead horse. But the stink from this dead horse has carried down throughout the rest of the season. It cost the show viewers, left a bad taste in the mouth of even the die-hard fans, and completely erased the "honorable" character trait we thought we had in Vincent. Flaws are one thing, but losing your good reputation (V's in this case) is hard to come back from. I hope the Jenifer Levin is just trying to put a smiley face on the whole Alex thing as a cover. I hope they are not so delusional to think that the storyline was successful. When did the ratings drop instead of climb? After the "A-word"! Anyway, enough rant for one day . . . Felt good to get it all out with emoticons!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 11, 2013 16:36:56 GMT -5
The ratings went down after the A eps but also when Max (Evan) died...people actually watched for Max too. If you look at the ratings after Evan was killed you're going to see a decline in viewers too
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jun 11, 2013 18:09:28 GMT -5
The ratings went down after the A eps but also when Max (Evan) died...people actually watched for Max too. If you look at the ratings after Evan was killed you're going to see a decline in viewers too Viewers liked Evan. Max Brown played him brilliantly and he had quite a following. Does anyone know why the writers killed Evan off? His back story had been set up, relationships established, and his chemistry with both Vincent (remarkable in train scene together!) and Catherine on-screen was amazing. Not to mention that he and JT working together could have been hilarious. I just think it was such a waste when so much could have been done with the character. Viewers didn't want to feel as if they had been sold a bag of goods, if you know what I mean. The Alex arc made many feel as if Vincent had "sold out" and made a mockery of the "epic love" they had been promised. The first season was a mine field. Trial and error. I am hoping the writers have a better handle on their characters and how they want situations to progress in Season 2 (and, of course, better editing!).
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 11, 2013 18:18:27 GMT -5
The ratings went down after the A eps but also when Max (Evan) died...people actually watched for Max too. If you look at the ratings after Evan was killed you're going to see a decline in viewers too Viewers liked Evan. Max Brown played him brilliantly and he had quite a following. Does anyone know why the writers killed Evan off? His back story had been set up, relationships established, and his chemistry with both Vincent (remarkable in train scene together!) and Catherine on-screen was amazing. Not to mention that he and JT working together could have been hilarious. I just think it was such a waste when so much could have been done with the character. Viewers didn't want to feel as if they had been sold a bag of goods, if you know what I mean. The Alex arc made many feel as if Vincent had "sold out" and made a mockery of the "epic love" they had been promised. The first season was a mine field. Trial and error. I am hoping the writers have a better handle on their characters and how they want situations to progress in Season 2 (and, of course, better editing!). I actually asked the writers and all I got was that Evans arc had run it's course. ..I'm still hoping they bring him back in S2! Maybe not M but the other secret organization. ..A gal can only hope ....How are you tonight lilbit?? Any *iced coffee* moments today? LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 22:53:08 GMT -5
Why can't they admit they made a mistake? I guess that'd be the honorable thing to do. Nobody's perfect and there's no shame in that. I refuse to believe that the writers/producers actually think they've done a great work with the Alex sortyline. Either that or they're simply delusional.BatB can go on for 10 seasons and the Alex arc will probably remain on the top of the list of the biggest fiascos ever seen on our show. It is my honest opinion that nothing good came out of it.
Yes, it would be the honorable thing to do. But it's kind of when you do something not that well in your work. It's hard to admit to your boss that you failed. In a way, beasties are their bosses. If we don't watch the show, there's no show and they know that. So they'll try to hide that they know they screwed up. At least, that's what I think. I hope I had explained right. I tend to ramble when a subject makes sense in my head, but it's hard to explain.
Jun 10, 2013 22:01:42 GMT -3lilbit said:Had the Alex arc been handled differently, it could have been O.K.; maybe even good. The problem was they made it seem as if Catherine was Vincent's second choice and that they made him into a huge, selfish jerk throughout the arc. Then, they made it worse with their lame excuse of "doing the right thing."I am surprised that the writer's could not see this coming. The audience was already invested in Catherine and Vincent. There were better ways to handle the situation of him and his former fiancé running into each other. Good things could have come out of the idea...but, I digress.All we can do now is look forward to Season 2! Let's hope they continue our epic love story rather than having an epic fail arc!Let's hope we get better editing! I cannot wait!
That ridiculous thing of "doing the right thing" was only a lame excuse they came up with in the last moment to justify all that absurdity because they knew they had screwed up all the concept of "epic love" when they put Vincent choosing Alex because he wanted to be "normal". That reason didn't exist until Alex told Catherine that. It was something the writers did to try to bring back the pure and honest man "pre-Alex". Not even JT knew about this "honorable reason". If Vincent's love was so intense, he wouldn't prefer "normal" over Cat. And I don't agree she's was second choice. I think she wasn't even a choice. He just came back to her because Alex dumped him. Since he couldn't be with the woman that would make him normal, he settled with the woman that was available. An "epic love" wouldn't allow him to be so disrespectful with Cat.
Jun 11, 2013 20:18:27 GMT -3M.I.ARyanKeller said:
Jun 11, 2013 20:09:28 GMT -3lilbit said:Viewers liked Evan. Max Brown played him brilliantly and he had quite a following. Does anyone know why the writers killed Evan off? His back story had been set up, relationships established, and his chemistry with both Vincent (remarkable in train scene together!) and Catherine on-screen was amazing. Not to mention that he and JT working together could have been hilarious. I just think it was such a waste when so much could have been done with the character. Viewers didn't want to feel as if they had been sold a bag of goods, if you know what I mean. The Alex arc made many feel as if Vincent had "sold out" and made a mockery of the "epic love" they had been promised.The first season was a mine field. Trial and error. I am hoping the writers have a better handle on their characters and how they want situations to progress in Season 2 (and, of course, better editing!). I actually asked the writers and all I got was that Evans arc had rung it's course. ..I'm still hoping they bring him back in S2! Maybe not M but the other secret organization. ..A gal can only hope ....How are y I u tonight lilbit?? Any *iced coffee* moments today? LOL
I honestly think that Evan isn't dead and the writers are holding up the information to not spoil the surprise.
Arwen Fan, I don't accept your apology. I'm sorry for being so rough, but, the way I see it, you didn't express your opinion, you demanded that we stop talking about something you consider done. We all are very aware that there's nothing we can do to fix this major screwed up arc or anything else we didn't like in 1st season. But I do think it's important to talk about what we think it's wrong because, unlike some people think, the producers are connected with what's being said about the show in the foruns and threads. They do follow what we want to see fixed and we have to express our opinion if we want to have more than 2 seasons. You might be a person that will follow the show while Jay and Kristin are keeping the emotion alive, but there's so much the actors can do. Without good scripts and good production, as much as we love the actors, the show won't support itself. I wouldn't mind to see your different opinion, if you had any opinion at all. The way you put things, you're fine with the arc and you don't admit that other people might not be. And that is very rude. I don't even understand why you felt like you had to post a reply to the thread. When I see people discussing things that I don't care for or that I don't think is relevant to the show, I simply ignore it. I don't try to convince them that they shouldn't be talking about it. So, it doesn't make sense to me that you have to talk about a subject to say that you don't want to talk about it anymore. Anyway, next time you feel like you have to express a different opinion, try to be more respectful. After all, this is the 1st premise of this forum.
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jun 11, 2013 23:29:22 GMT -5
Viewers liked Evan. Max Brown played him brilliantly and he had quite a following. Does anyone know why the writers killed Evan off? His back story had been set up, relationships established, and his chemistry with both Vincent (remarkable in train scene together!) and Catherine on-screen was amazing. Not to mention that he and JT working together could have been hilarious. I just think it was such a waste when so much could have been done with the character. Viewers didn't want to feel as if they had been sold a bag of goods, if you know what I mean. The Alex arc made many feel as if Vincent had "sold out" and made a mockery of the "epic love" they had been promised. The first season was a mine field. Trial and error. I am hoping the writers have a better handle on their characters and how they want situations to progress in Season 2 (and, of course, better editing!). I actually asked the writers and all I got was that Evans arc had run it's course. ..I'm still hoping they bring him back in S2! Maybe not M but the other secret organization. ..A gal can only hope ....How are you tonight lilbit?? Any *iced coffee* moments today? LOL LOL!!! I've had a few (thanks to you, Yolie ), but I am trying so hard to be good. Don't want another ! Got anything to share?!? Could always use an *iced coffee* with a double shot!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 11, 2013 23:39:21 GMT -5
I actually asked the writers and all I got was that Evans arc had run it's course. ..I'm still hoping they bring him back in S2! Maybe not M but the other secret organization. ..A gal can only hope ....How are you tonight lilbit?? Any *iced coffee* moments today? LOL LOL!!! I've had a few (thanks to you, Yolie ), but I am trying so hard to be good. Don't want another ! Got anything to share?!? Could always use an *iced coffee* with a double shot! I'm always looking LOL..trust me you'll be the first to know if I do find something
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jun 11, 2013 23:49:40 GMT -5
I knew I could count on you, Yolie! I am waiting with bated breath! It's way too cold these days!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 12, 2013 1:15:52 GMT -5
Okay people,
Let's put this to rest here and now....
It is okay to talk about any aspect of this show...even if you like it or don't but it should be done in a respectful way..I'm all for talking about the dislikes of season 1. Nothing against that. But please take personal problems to private message (PM) rather than hashing out those issues on the board. No personal attacks. Respect opinions, even if you disagree.
This is meant to be a friendly board..Let's keep it that way.
Thanks
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Post by ArwenFan on Jun 12, 2013 11:20:25 GMT -5
Vincent Chandler said:
How old are you; 12? You are not being rough, you're being borderline idiotic. I didn't demand anything. That is the way you took it because you're spoiling for a fight. And if you want one, you've come to the right place.
The only person I see being rude here is you. I am tired of people carping about the Alex arc. I don't have to agree with your opinion and it is my right to say so. I am not going to beat this to death because quite honestly I think a lot of fans are being stubborn brats, and refusing to put the Alex arc in context. If you want to wallow in rants about Alex, have at it. But just know that you are going to run into someone from time to time who doesn't share your opinion and who is going to say so. And when you do, trying to bully them is a poor debate tactic, and in most cases--especially mine--won't work.
This is an open forum. I can post in any thread I like. You would do well to remember that the way you handle things is entirely different than the way someone else might.
This is really funny coming from someone who IGNORED respect out of the gate. In order to be shown respect you need to give it. Okay?
See last comment. I don't like to mix it up in public, but since you chose to "dress me down" in public, I'm returning the favor. Should you have anything else to say to me on this topic PM me.
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Post by Andromeda03 on Jun 12, 2013 12:44:50 GMT -5
Okay people, Let's put this to rest here and now.... It is okay to talk about any aspect of this show...even if you like it or don't but it should be done in a respectful way..I'm all for talking about the dislikes of season 1. Nothing against that. But please take personal problems to private message (PM) rather than hashing out those issues on the board. No personal attacks. Respect opinions, even if you disagree.This is meant to be a friendly board..Let's keep it that way. Thanks Okay, so in Yolie's absence at this moment, I feel it's important to address this once more because I can see this potentially not being put to rest here like Yolie had requested. So I'm not going to leave any wiggle room on this. Those partaking in this airing of personal issues on the thread, this is your last reminder to stop posting this back and forth out in the open. Yolie posted the rule, those involved are now well aware of the rule. So please stop posting personal issues in the public areas of the forum. Take them to PM or cease communication all together.
There will not be another reminder. Any more posts on the issue will be removed and the admins will be notified about the ongoing issue. I'm sorry that not everyone can just agree to disagree, but attacking each other and verbally fighting over it in a thread is not okay. Everyone has the right to their opinion, everyone has the right to express that opinion freely on the board as long as it's free of rude and offensive language. The rules are clear and this needs to stop.
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