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Post by dan on Apr 24, 2013 2:14:11 GMT -5
Someone on other forum posted this
She`s saying luckily all the storylines that they wrotes were all PERFECT..nevermind if the fans agree or not....everything that they planned are Perfect
Yes during these episodes i was screaming "let Vincent be with Alex..cause Cat deserved BETTER than the jerk that they turned him into" They`re so clueless
Stupid writers
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 16:55:45 GMT -5
Well, she can't actually say that the arc sucked, right? After all, they have to defend their work, even when is a bad one. I read an interview with one of the producers, back before Bridesmaid UP, saying that they were thinking about holding the kiss up until a possible second season. It's obvious that they stablished VinCat's relationship as a couple sooner than what was originally planned because they realized what a disaster Alex's arc was. Everything about it was wrong, from the lack of research on the actual duties of Alex as a nurse to the way she found out about Beastie. And there's no one there to blame, but the writers. It seemed like they just didn't know what to do with the idea. Which would be a good one, by the way, if it hadn't been that poorly handled. Yes, they achieved their gold of having people wanting to get rid of Alex and wanting VinCat to be together, but I think that it was just because the arc wasn't good written. Despite the show being about Beasty and the Beast, there was no way someone could want Vincent to be with a woman so dumb tht she simply couldn't understand that his life was in danger or so selfish that she never took the time to try to see things from his perspective. There was no conflict, no choice to make. It didn't matter that Alex talked sweetly or that she looked at Vincent like the Sun rose above his head. There wasn't anything to like about her. She wasn't a real person so she simply couldn't revail Catherine. That arc was a major failure and cost us viewers and the producers know that. There's nothing they can do to fix it, though, thus their defense of it. It's just easier to play dumb in this situation.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 6, 2013 9:01:49 GMT -5
I totally agree Katie the writers aren't going to publicly admit their major screw up and I think the Alex arc left a bitter taste in all our mouths cause they didn't resolve it the right way. ..In many beasties eyes Catherine was Vincent second choice thus crumbling the so called *epic* love that they so much publicized. Plus Alex character was whinny and unattractive even boring and predictable at times.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 6, 2013 9:03:23 GMT -5
I totally agree the writers aren't going to publicly admit their major screw up and I think the Alex arc left a bitter taste in all our mouths cause they didn't resolve it the right way. ..In many beasties eyes Catherine was Vincent second choice thus crumbling the so called *epic* love that they so much publicized. Plus Alex character was whinny and unattractive even boring and predictable at times.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 22:07:15 GMT -5
A lot of writers were replaced for the next season. I think that this is a major sign of how aware of the mess that it was made the producers are. They sure know how much we resent that arc. I still can believe what they did with the show. It was like they couldn't care less about what was going on, about what we thought about that absurdity and about the quality of the show. The writers wasted a wonderful opportunity to explore Vincent's resentment with the life he's been forced to live and his insecurity towards Cat to "show that Vincent was human with flaws". Which it was the worse excuse ever, by the way. We already knew that Vincent was human with flaws. His whole story showed that. A man that threw away a career in medicine to join the Army out of revenge, that put his foot on his mouth every time he speaks with the woman he loves, that can't have the courage to face his ex-fiancée and tell her they're over is nothing, but full of flaws. We didn't need to see him transformed into a jerk without any morals to know that. The whole arc was ridiculous and I can't convince people that the show is good because of it. Some of my friends plainly told me that they couldn't believe I was so into a show without any consistence. I wish there was something they could do to fix that screwed up arc. I'm seriously thinking about starting a petition to make them redo it.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 9, 2013 22:14:33 GMT -5
^ Petition?? I'm in! Wish we could erase those episodes from our memory..Wonder who and what Vincent was given or done too to erase his memory?? Maybe we should all get some?
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Post by ArwenFan on Jun 9, 2013 22:26:27 GMT -5
Okay, I'm probably in the minority here, but I think we need to quit beating this dead horse. The arc is done, it's part of canon and we have moved on. I'm all for giving it a rest now. But that's just me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 22:39:13 GMT -5
Okay, I'm probably in the minority here, but I think we need to quit beating this dead horse. The arc is done, it's part of canon and we have moved on. I'm all for giving it a rest now. But that's just me. As you said, that's just you! I resent that arc very much and I think I have the right to express my opinion. As I said, I can't convince my friends to watch the show because of it and I think it's important to show that beasties aren't stupid and that we don't accept to see our show to be disregarded as it was. I hope to make the producers see that we care about the show's quality and that we don't mind conflict when it's well done, but we demand exactly that. That's made properly!
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Post by ArwenFan on Jun 9, 2013 22:46:54 GMT -5
Okay, I'm probably in the minority here, but I think we need to quit beating this dead horse. The arc is done, it's part of canon and we have moved on. I'm all for giving it a rest now. But that's just me. As you said, that's just you! I resent that arc very much and I think I have the right to express my opinion. As I said, I can't convince my friends to watch the show because of it and I think it's important to show that beasties aren't stupid and that we don't accept to see our show to be disregarded as it was. I hope to make the producers see that we care about the show's quality and that we don't mind conflict when it's well done, but we demand exactly that. That's made properly! Why do you resent the arc so much? If your friends don't want to watch the show because of 4 episodes out of 22, I'm thinking they were never that into it to begin with. I can't get on board with your line of thinking, but you are certainly welcome to it.
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jun 9, 2013 22:56:47 GMT -5
As you said, that's just you! I resent that arc very much and I think I have the right to express my opinion. As I said, I can't convince my friends to watch the show because of it and I think it's important to show that beasties aren't stupid and that we don't accept to see our show to be disregarded as it was. I hope to make the producers see that we care about the show's quality and that we don't mind conflict when it's well done, but we demand exactly that. That's made properly! Why do you resent the arc so much? If your friends don't want to watch the show because of 4 episodes out of 22, I'm thinking they were never that into it to begin with. I can't get on board with your line of thinking, but you are certainly welcome to it. What's done is done; can't go back now. However, if we are going to complain to producers, we should be complaining about the poor (VERY) editing. The writers have written some very good epis; the editors, directors and producers have really screwed them up. Talk about consistency....the editing has caused more problems than the Alex arc ever did.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 23:02:19 GMT -5
As you said, that's just you! I resent that arc very much and I think I have the right to express my opinion. As I said, I can't convince my friends to watch the show because of it and I think it's important to show that beasties aren't stupid and that we don't accept to see our show to be disregarded as it was. I hope to make the producers see that we care about the show's quality and that we don't mind conflict when it's well done, but we demand exactly that. That's made properly! Why do you resent the arc so much? If your friends don't want to watch the show because of 4 episodes out of 22, I'm thinking they were never that into it to begin with. I can't get on board with your line of thinking, but you are certainly welcome to it. Because it was a stupidity with no end. And it shouldn't bother you that I resent the arc. After all, you're the one that don't want to "beat the dead horse". It's incredible that not even here I'm allowed to have an opinion about my favorite show. All I did was post a reply to a thread and I have to endure people being rude. Sad.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 9, 2013 23:15:31 GMT -5
^ From what I've read I don't see anyone being rude..They are just expressing themselves the same way you are..just cause they don't see things the way you do..or even if they do and they've moved on. It does give them the right to respond to you. That is what this forum is all about...A place to talk about, agree and disagree and to give opinions of the show we all love and that's the reason why we are all here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 23:46:23 GMT -5
^ From what I've read I don't see anyone being rude..They are just expressing themselves the same way you are..just cause they don't see things the way you do..or even if they do and they've moved on. It does give them the right to respond to you. That is what this forum is all about...A place to talk about, agree and disagree and to give opinions of the show we all love and that's the reason why we are all here. I wouldn't mind seeing different opinions. But when someone tells me that I have to stop " beating dead horses" just because I'm talking about something I didn't like in first season - which I know it's a "dead horse" - I do consider it rude. Arwen Fan have the right to not want to talk about this theme anymore the same way I have to talk about it as much as I want. What I think he or she doesn't have the right is to tell me what I'm allowed or not allowed to discuss. That was indeed very rude of this person in my opinion.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jun 10, 2013 2:27:36 GMT -5
^ Okay, here's a prove of how much BATB affects our senses! I think that, at the end, all of us AGREE that Alex arc was very bad (for viewers, for the consistency of the story and the epic love, etc...) Some of us already left if behind, the same as some others are still suffering it, and that's fair, understandable and respectable! Please, let's not blame each other here just for having different opinions!! We are in this forum cause we share our LOVE for this serie and their characters! Let's keep love as our "leit motiv"... Pleeease! Have a nice monday Beasties!
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Post by dan on Jun 10, 2013 6:07:45 GMT -5
The fact that 'VinCat' only started to become a thing once Vincent realise he couldn`t get his old life back (cause alex dumped his ass) made it seem that their so called 'epic love' happened out of default. I can see why that still a problem for the hardcore shippers lol
But the bigger problem that these interviews tell us is how the writers didn`t really get the fans.They`re so out of touch with our construction and critism for the show(which isn`t necessary a bad thing per se). It also doesn`t help that the only tweets that they`ve been getting on twitter is how "amazing' 'perfect' ''epic their writing was. Some fans would willing to kiss ass to get a RT from them.Whereas those who think their writings has flaws usually only stay in the forums like this and don`t really send their critisim directly to them through twitter.The fact that they think everything they planned for the show worked perfectly and have no flaws(like Jlevin answered on inteviews) is a proof of that.
They think fans don`t like alex episodes only because "oh someone come between vin/cat then it must be bad episodes".If only they read these episodes discussion thread here, they would`ve known it was because the sloppy writing,inconsistencies,bad story telling, etc.
They talk to fans on twitter like we`re children or dumber than them.They always answer question with another question or by lecturing fans with the whole philosophy crap. During alex arc,i saw many tweeted them with negative responses yet they selectively only RT those few fans who though alex arc was 'amazing'( people who watched the show because bridget regan/her fans). What does that say exactly about them?
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