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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jul 23, 2015 16:59:55 GMT -5
I had really looked forward to seeing the episode tonight FINALLY and being able to post about it. But with all the people leaving, especially since they feel unwelcome and seem to point to Episode Posts as a reason for feeling attacked, I don't want to risk loosing anyone else due to expressions of opinion by myself. It would certainly be NOT my intent to discourage others. But again, I DON'T want to risk offense to anyone. The only thing I truly hate at this time is the feeling that just posting one's own opinion as to character or episode could make someone feel attacked in any way. I have LOVED the discussions that lay out every possible issue so that I can see what I have missed and maybe re-evaluate.
With so many people leaving, it seems like differing opinions are causing anger, not discussion. I don't want to tread on toes. It would be very much UNINTENDED. But if I hurt someone, even accidentally, then I feel really bad and like I am doing a disservice to the fandom.
So I will just go into Silence Mode for now.
But please EVERYONE know, I have loved ALL the posts and opinions I have read since being here. I have LOVED discussing and breaking down every episode. I have loved the re-watches. Some of you feel like FAMILY to me, and I hate that the family seems to be hurting in anyway. I have rushed back up to the office late at night on MANY an occasion JUST to get to discuss BATB with this Forum. That will ALWAYS remain special to me. I just don't want any unintentional ill-will to my family of Beasties.
I will still be lurking, and hopefully be able to go back active when things seem better. Much LOVE to everyone. PLEASE let any rememberances of me and my posts be of LOVE FOR THIS SHOW and especially FOR THIS FANDOM and THIS FORUM. Just don't want to accidentally be part of the problem. So Silent for now and hope to come back, if wanted. See, this is what I was afraid of.  alwayscrazedbatbfan, please, please reconsider to post. I agree with jefferen, your posts are always so thought provoking and analytical. I wish my mind worked as methodical as yours does! Are you in the Psychological profession, you have a keen sense of human behavior and relationships. I enjoy reflecting on your posts even though I haven't responded to them specifically, that is my fault because I just feel so behind on reviewing the show that we are already into the next episode. I honestly think that we can't take some posts so personal. Opinions are our own and we should feel free to express them. I think if we all really took the time to review the episode threads we will see that there has been actually a favorable opinion of the season so far. I tried to really find some severely negative posts (as compared to Season 2) but I just couldn't find them. Instead of people deciding to lurk or keeping quiet why don't we all use a skill of listing out "PROs and CONs" of the remaining Episodes. Let's try to be "methodical" and see how we do. Let's maybe list 10 things in each category and explain. Maybe that way we are making an effort to balance out comments. This way no one feels "singled" out. It is easy and if you like more things make your list longer if you don't like something add those things. This way NO ONE takes it personal. It may help us to truly take time to think and not make "Generalizations"!! Things I liked 1,2,3,4,.........Things I didn't like 1,2,3,4,........Then......maybe in time we can just relax and feel more comfortable and go back to expressing ourselves more freely without feeling attacked personally. Can we TRY THIS PLEASE?? There is no forum if you can't interact and be in fear all the time. What fun is that? I think our favorite times are when people speak off the cuff and post what is the first thing that comes to mind. (Sometimes that was sexual, but I digress....LOL)  Let's not make this into a self censorship way of thinking and just be respectful. OK Everyone? |
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Post by Mrs Forbes Glass Half Full on Jul 23, 2015 17:43:13 GMT -5
It is deeply troubling what seems to be going on in the fandom right now. I don't know where the problems are originating from or why so many people feel attacked. Though some, like Catherine Ashton, have reason to feel attacked.
I had lurked for awhile on this forum before comments in the original Everything Thread made me decide to join and begin posting because at that time, there seemed to be so much anger towards some of the characters on the show (this was Season 2 when Vincent had been shot), that I wanted to point out the rationale behind character's possible motives and just argue for why it was still enjoyable television. And differing opinions were welcomed. I had wanted to inject some positivity at the time. Some of my posts have also been rants, because at the Forum, you could say what you liked and what you disliked.
And I have LOVED when I could read posts with differing opinions. Some posters have even helped change my mind or given me new perspectives. And that was what I thought was the most powerful message of the forum--that ALL were welcome and could post opinions freely.
Now, I worry if I need a disclaimer before I post. I DON'T want ANYONE to feel attacked, either in opinion or CERTAINLY not as a person. I have always loved the differing opinions because THAT MEANS THERE ARE SO MANY LEVELS to these characters and to the episodes. Which means it is still powerful television, even if you don't always like what a character does or what appears on your screen. But the fact that we could always previously discuss it was TREASURED.
And even absolute negativity and controversy can actually HELP a show. Because people hear about it, wonder what the stink is all about, and sometimes then tune in for themselves. So even when I might try to be positive in approach, I still appreciate the other side of things and realize how that can help the FANDOM as a whole.
That said, I DON'T want to make anyone feel EVEN INADVERTENTLY that their thoughts, opinions, posts, rants or otherwise are in any way unwelcome by me. And the only way to do that right now, in the type of atmosphere that seems prevalent at the moment, is to just stay silent. Then, at least I am not contributing unknowingly to people's frustrations.
I had really looked forward to seeing the episode tonight FINALLY and being able to post about it. But with all the people leaving, especially since they feel unwelcome and seem to point to Episode Posts as a reason for feeling attacked, I don't want to risk loosing anyone else due to expressions of opinion by myself. It would certainly be NOT my intent to discourage others. But again, I DON'T want to risk offense to anyone. The only thing I truly hate at this time is the feeling that just posting one's own opinion as to character or episode could make someone feel attacked in any way. I have LOVED the discussions that lay out every possible issue so that I can see what I have missed and maybe re-evaluate.
With so many people leaving, it seems like differing opinions are causing anger, not discussion. I don't want to tread on toes. It would be very much UNINTENDED. But if I hurt someone, even accidentally, then I feel really bad and like I am doing a disservice to the fandom.
So I will just go into Silence Mode for now.
But please EVERYONE know, I have loved ALL the posts and opinions I have read since being here. I have LOVED discussing and breaking down every episode. I have loved the re-watches. Some of you feel like FAMILY to me, and I hate that the family seems to be hurting in anyway. I have rushed back up to the office late at night on MANY an occasion JUST to get to discuss BATB with this Forum. That will ALWAYS remain special to me. I just don't want any unintentional ill-will to my family of Beasties.
I will still be lurking, and hopefully be able to go back active when things seem better. Much LOVE to everyone. PLEASE let any rememberances of me and my posts be of LOVE FOR THIS SHOW and especially FOR THIS FANDOM and THIS FORUM. Just don't want to accidentally be part of the problem. So Silent for now and hope to come back, if wanted. Don't think you need to go into Silence Mode If you post anything that would offend others The Moderators would let you know! I tend to read posts and not post much. Don't understand the sudden exodus but if that's what they want then so be it! I feel less passionate about the show but that's ok, no need to over analyse it, it just is what it is! Still love coming here and read what people think, it doesn't change my own views and haven't noticed any great negativity! So please Beasties, continue to post whatever your opinions are whether you love an episode or are pissed off by it. If you say anything offensive or against board rules The Mods will deal with it. You cannot constantly watch what you say in fear of what other people think. Life is too short for that crap!! All above just the opinion of a menopausal woman who can't be assed to walk on eggshells!!! Love to all  |
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jul 23, 2015 18:03:58 GMT -5
Don't think you need to go into Silence Mode If you post anything that would offend others The Moderators would let you know! I tend to read posts and not post much. Don't understand the sudden exodus but if that's what they want then so be it! I feel less passionate about the show but that's ok, no need to over analyse it, it just is what it is! Still love coming here and read what people think, it doesn't change my own views and haven't noticed any great negativity! So please Beasties, continue to post whatever your opinions are whether you love an episode or are pissed off by it. If you say anything offensive or against board rules The Mods will deal with it. You cannot constantly watch what you say in fear of what other people think. Life is too short for that crap!! All above just the opinion of a menopausal woman who can't be assed to walk on eggshells!!! Love to all Amen sister!!  |
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Post by ebeline on Jul 23, 2015 18:19:33 GMT -5
It is deeply troubling what seems to be going on in the fandom right now. I don't know where the problems are originating from or why so many people feel attacked. Though some, like Catherine Ashton, have reason to feel attacked.
I had lurked for awhile on this forum before comments in the original Everything Thread made me decide to join and begin posting because at that time, there seemed to be so much anger towards some of the characters on the show (this was Season 2 when Vincent had been shot), that I wanted to point out the rationale behind character's possible motives and just argue for why it was still enjoyable television. And differing opinions were welcomed. I had wanted to inject some positivity at the time. Some of my posts have also been rants, because at the Forum, you could say what you liked and what you disliked.
And I have LOVED when I could read posts with differing opinions. Some posters have even helped change my mind or given me new perspectives. And that was what I thought was the most powerful message of the forum--that ALL were welcome and could post opinions freely.
Now, I worry if I need a disclaimer before I post. I DON'T want ANYONE to feel attacked, either in opinion or CERTAINLY not as a person. I have always loved the differing opinions because THAT MEANS THERE ARE SO MANY LEVELS to these characters and to the episodes. Which means it is still powerful television, even if you don't always like what a character does or what appears on your screen. But the fact that we could always previously discuss it was TREASURED.
And even absolute negativity and controversy can actually HELP a show. Because people hear about it, wonder what the stink is all about, and sometimes then tune in for themselves. So even when I might try to be positive in approach, I still appreciate the other side of things and realize how that can help the FANDOM as a whole.
That said, I DON'T want to make anyone feel EVEN INADVERTENTLY that their thoughts, opinions, posts, rants or otherwise are in any way unwelcome by me. And the only way to do that right now, in the type of atmosphere that seems prevalent at the moment, is to just stay silent. Then, at least I am not contributing unknowingly to people's frustrations.
I had really looked forward to seeing the episode tonight FINALLY and being able to post about it. But with all the people leaving, especially since they feel unwelcome and seem to point to Episode Posts as a reason for feeling attacked, I don't want to risk loosing anyone else due to expressions of opinion by myself. It would certainly be NOT my intent to discourage others. But again, I DON'T want to risk offense to anyone. The only thing I truly hate at this time is the feeling that just posting one's own opinion as to character or episode could make someone feel attacked in any way. I have LOVED the discussions that lay out every possible issue so that I can see what I have missed and maybe re-evaluate.
With so many people leaving, it seems like differing opinions are causing anger, not discussion. I don't want to tread on toes. It would be very much UNINTENDED. But if I hurt someone, even accidentally, then I feel really bad and like I am doing a disservice to the fandom.
So I will just go into Silence Mode for now.
But please EVERYONE know, I have loved ALL the posts and opinions I have read since being here. I have LOVED discussing and breaking down every episode. I have loved the re-watches. Some of you feel like FAMILY to me, and I hate that the family seems to be hurting in anyway. I have rushed back up to the office late at night on MANY an occasion JUST to get to discuss BATB with this Forum. That will ALWAYS remain special to me. I just don't want any unintentional ill-will to my family of Beasties.
I will still be lurking, and hopefully be able to go back active when things seem better. Much LOVE to everyone. PLEASE let any rememberances of me and my posts be of LOVE FOR THIS SHOW and especially FOR THIS FANDOM and THIS FORUM. Just don't want to accidentally be part of the problem. So Silent for now and hope to come back, if wanted. :not fair:Aleayscrazybatbfan you are one of few SEO members why I 've joined this board. I always love your posts please post again!! |
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Post by tonysol on Jul 23, 2015 19:19:44 GMT -5
Some comments who upset her HERE So sad!  My guess is that it wasn't just the comments from today. Maybe she just got tired of tweets like these: This was her response to the last tweet In addition to weather considerations, what KK wants to wear, what she and the producers / director think her character should wear, if KK is going to have a fight scene, they have to find clothing that can accommodate padding or harnesses and masks the physical differences between her and her stunt double. My heart kind of sank a bit when I saw this. Disclosure: this is my Twitter account, or at least one of them which I use socially to follow stuff online rather than my personal one. The comment was made with regards to what Cat was wearing when she and Carol went undercover in 3x06 to steal the video footage linked to Agent Thomas' murder. I thought it was a great opportunity for Cat to dress up but her outfit then compared with Carol's and the other women who attended the party was a tad disappointing. Thought I was giving honest feedback and if you follow that conversation on, my reply was: And Ms Ashton was so kind as to favorite that tweet and follow me on Twitter after that  so I don't think I'm part of the problem But since I've always felt that any slight, even if unintended or delivered with the best intentions, may hurt the other party just as much, I did message her to apologise for any offence caused. Can't read the tweet from mbutterfly82. Was it really bad? |
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Post by pippin on Jul 23, 2015 19:54:27 GMT -5
]My heart kind of sank a bit when I saw this. Disclosure: this is my Twitter account, or at least one of them which I use socially to follow stuff online rather than my personal one. The comment was made with regards to what Cat was wearing when she and Carol went undercover in 3x06 to steal the video footage linked to Agent Thomas' murder. I thought it was a great opportunity for Cat to dress up but her outfit then compared with Carol's and the other women who attended the party was a tad disappointing. Thought I was giving honest feedback and if you follow that conversation on, my reply was: And Ms Ashton was so kind as to favorite that tweet and follow me on Twitter after that so I don't think I'm part of the problem But since I've always felt that any slight, even if unintended or delivered with the best intentions, may hurt the other party just as much, I did message her to apologise for any offence caused. Can't read the tweet from mbutterfly82. Was it really bad? Oh, so sorry about that. Earlier there were other tweets in between yours and the first one, but those people started closing or deleted their tweets after Ashton said her Twitter goodbye so they have disappeared from my post. I've been saying that Ashton isn't the one solely responsible for what the cast is wearing and her response to your tweet illustrates that. mbutterfly82 she complained about Cat's hair, makeup, and wardrobe and actually used the word ugly and also included @mskristinkreuk in her tweet although she might have been referring to Nicole. Either way what she tweeted was insulting and rude. |
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Post by batb4evr1 on Jul 23, 2015 20:13:10 GMT -5
It is deeply troubling what seems to be going on in the fandom right now. I don't know where the problems are originating from or why so many people feel attacked. Though some, like Catherine Ashton, have reason to feel attacked.
I had lurked for awhile on this forum before comments in the original Everything Thread made me decide to join and begin posting because at that time, there seemed to be so much anger towards some of the characters on the show (this was Season 2 when Vincent had been shot), that I wanted to point out the rationale behind character's possible motives and just argue for why it was still enjoyable television. And differing opinions were welcomed. I had wanted to inject some positivity at the time. Some of my posts have also been rants, because at the Forum, you could say what you liked and what you disliked.
And I have LOVED when I could read posts with differing opinions. Some posters have even helped change my mind or given me new perspectives. And that was what I thought was the most powerful message of the forum--that ALL were welcome and could post opinions freely.
Now, I worry if I need a disclaimer before I post. I DON'T want ANYONE to feel attacked, either in opinion or CERTAINLY not as a person. I have always loved the differing opinions because THAT MEANS THERE ARE SO MANY LEVELS to these characters and to the episodes. Which means it is still powerful television, even if you don't always like what a character does or what appears on your screen. But the fact that we could always previously discuss it was TREASURED.
And even absolute negativity and controversy can actually HELP a show. Because people hear about it, wonder what the stink is all about, and sometimes then tune in for themselves. So even when I might try to be positive in approach, I still appreciate the other side of things and realize how that can help the FANDOM as a whole.
That said, I DON'T want to make anyone feel EVEN INADVERTENTLY that their thoughts, opinions, posts, rants or otherwise are in any way unwelcome by me. And the only way to do that right now, in the type of atmosphere that seems prevalent at the moment, is to just stay silent. Then, at least I am not contributing unknowingly to people's frustrations.
I had really looked forward to seeing the episode tonight FINALLY and being able to post about it. But with all the people leaving, especially since they feel unwelcome and seem to point to Episode Posts as a reason for feeling attacked, I don't want to risk loosing anyone else due to expressions of opinion by myself. It would certainly be NOT my intent to discourage others. But again, I DON'T want to risk offense to anyone. The only thing I truly hate at this time is the feeling that just posting one's own opinion as to character or episode could make someone feel attacked in any way. I have LOVED the discussions that lay out every possible issue so that I can see what I have missed and maybe re-evaluate.
With so many people leaving, it seems like differing opinions are causing anger, not discussion. I don't want to tread on toes. It would be very much UNINTENDED. But if I hurt someone, even accidentally, then I feel really bad and like I am doing a disservice to the fandom.
So I will just go into Silence Mode for now.
But please EVERYONE know, I have loved ALL the posts and opinions I have read since being here. I have LOVED discussing and breaking down every episode. I have loved the re-watches. Some of you feel like FAMILY to me, and I hate that the family seems to be hurting in anyway. I have rushed back up to the office late at night on MANY an occasion JUST to get to discuss BATB with this Forum. That will ALWAYS remain special to me. I just don't want any unintentional ill-will to my family of Beasties.
I will still be lurking, and hopefully be able to go back active when things seem better. Much LOVE to everyone. PLEASE let any rememberances of me and my posts be of LOVE FOR THIS SHOW and especially FOR THIS FANDOM and THIS FORUM. Just don't want to accidentally be part of the problem. So Silent for now and hope to come back, if wanted. , please not you too!!!  You are my Beastie BFF! You cannot buy into the untruth of the premise that you cannot express your own opinion in our DEN!!! You are loved and you are welcomed to have your own feelings! Please reconsider and rejoin our forum. This is not Twitter, this is SEO and we love and support each other and our BATB and its cast and crew! |
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You are my Beastie BFF! You cannot buy into the untruth of the premise that you cannot express your own opinion in our DEN!!! You are loved and you are welcomed to have your own feelings! Please reconsider and rejoin our forum. This is not Twitter, this is SEO and we love and support each other and our BATB and its cast and crew!