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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 23:34:57 GMT -5
A forum board is a social media so exactly as Facebook everytime you write something you agree to be pleased or criticized by other people. And you must be aware of this and reply till everything is posted without any direct offence or leave that conversation if you think it ia meaningless. So please both if you are ok or not with something go on posting! There is not pleasure in discussion when everyone think the same! We all had discussions with some members both if you like and don't like something, an episode or the whole season. But how much is important to reply to critics, is important either leave the conversation when is leading only to animosity. What happened to me is that I use to take things said on a personal level and I am working on it: some reply to my post leave me very hungry for a moment because I was in the middle of a discussion but then reading again answers I've found that my first impression was wrong and what was posted was only a different opinion, probably reported badly, but was not said to offend me. There is another problem: some people are not english speaking (me first) and as much as I try to use your polite terms, the use of "should, would, could" in the phrase or the lack of correct terms or phrase construction make me afraid to say something meaning something else because we are writing and we are not watching the other person in the eyes. So something written could seem more harsh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 23:46:19 GMT -5
It is my turn to respectfully bow out. I have to begin by saying that I am relieved that I read through this thread before posting my review on Episode 7, (which I will certainly never post in this Forum) because I do not want to be (erroneously) labelled as "being negative". When I read comments that state that "high expectations" or "being caught up in the past and unable to move on" are the issues that lead some of us to be "negative" (a most inappropriate word for what members/ex-members were expressing here), I realize that the true issue has been misconstrued and/or misunderstood.
anapi -season3baby :), Laura and @socmom left this forum earlier today for the same reason I am leaving now, and it has nothing to do with the show. It has everything to do with the way people are expressing themselves here. Everyone seems to agree that we all have the right to write our views and to agree and disagree with each others' opinions. What is unacceptable, however, is that in stating their opinion, some members point fingers at other members. I personally do not want to be responsible for any one else's state of mind...so when I read that the "negativity coming in week after week bothers me"...."it's depressing and brings down those who are enjoying the season...." I feel that my perspective is not welcome here and that I am being accused of negatively affecting another person's mental well-being. Likewise, I feel saddened that another member feels he/she must apologize for critiquing many aspects of an episode: "I am sorry I have come out as too negative...". So I guess they will no longer be "so negative". Despite what some may think, Anapi, Laura, Socmom and now I, left/are leaving "based upon our own personal circumstances"; the silencing that is going on is not "happening behind the scene" it is public and going on right here, and I cannot be part of it. Reading that "negativity" may lead to "losing the show", that there is "bitterness and resentment", that "when you only focus on the negatives, it send the wrong message" (to whom? ) or that "being extremely critical of the show is a signal you may not wish to be a part of this forum..." I feel silenced and judged, two things I never thought I would feel here.
It is with a heavy heart that I say goodbye; there are so many people here who I care for and whom I admire deeply: the incredible artists who have wowed me time after time, the talented video makers who have shared so selflessly, those who have made me burst out laughing (at the most inappropriate times), those who have challenged my thinking and who are so wise, those who have such a way with words, those who have surprised me, those who have made me cry, my fellow banana lovers (you know who you are)...well I could go on and on.... ...but I will not suffer foolish comments gladly. Being a member of this Forum has been a roller coaster ride. It has now come to an end, and it is time for me to dismount..probably not as gracefully as I had intended to...but who's looking??? |
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Post by Vincent Keller on Jul 22, 2015 23:52:23 GMT -5
anapi -season3baby :), Laura and @socmom left this forum earlier today for the same reason I am leaving now, and it has nothing to do with the show. It has everything to do with the way people are expressing themselves here. Everyone seems to agree that we all have the right to write our views and to agree and disagree with each others' opinions. What is unacceptable, however, is that in stating their opinion, some members point fingers at other members. I personally do not want to be responsible for any one else's state of mind...so when I read that the "negativity coming in week after week bothers me"...."it's depressing and brings down those who are enjoying the season...." I feel that my perspective is not welcome here and that I am being accused of negatively affecting another person's mental well-being. Likewise, I feel saddened that another member feels he/she must apologize for critiquing many aspects of an episode: "I am sorry I have come out as too negative...". So I guess they will no longer be "so negative". Despite what some may think, Anapi, Laura, Socmom and now I, left/are leaving "based upon our own personal circumstances"; the silencing that is going on is not "happening behind the scene" it is public and going on right here, and I cannot be part of it. Reading that "negativity" may lead to "losing the show", that there is "bitterness and resentment", that "when you only focus on the negatives, it send the wrong message" (to whom? ) or that "being extremely critical of the show is a signal you may not wish to be a part of this forum..." I feel silenced and judged, two things I never thought I would feel here. ^ Did you read my post? (The big blue one). I only ask because I specifically addressed these issues - I mean, some of them word for word, even. No one has to apologize for their opinions. |
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jul 23, 2015 1:15:29 GMT -5
I can't visit the forum so frequent lately, even less post comments or opinions about eps or anything else but I felt I had to based on what happened. I'm one of those who misses the magic of Vincat but still enjoys this season. Reading others pov has always been one of the reasons that attracted me of this forum and it is very sad to see that that is not welcome anymore by some members. There was a period, during s2, when discussions here were VERY tough but never thought of leaving. Even in that period, no one ever said to another member how to write a post... Seriously, someone really thinks that because some people don't like this season and openly say so, the show will not continue or writters will stop writting? I also feel very sad that anapi's and laura's quit in first place was understood as giving up... What they did was give up forum, not their love for Batb despite their concerns for this season. Any member in this forum is probably aware of how passionate and commited are both (and others who left later). Spoilers are up to date thanks to them among few others (Yolie is the queen), commenting on every episode, writting summaries for others who haven't watched yet, always fighting with polls, participating in batb campaigns, artworks, trends in twitter.... How can anyone who has visited this forum for a small amount of time can tell them "if u don't like the season maybe u should leave"?? Wth!!! I am also very sorry for a big amount of newbies and not so newbies who are wonderful and might be totally shocked by what's going on here. I guess it's my time to say goodbye too. I hope u all enjoy here, with less "negative" comments but also with less spark!  |
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Post by tonysol on Jul 23, 2015 1:41:15 GMT -5
As a relative newbie but more longtime lurker, all this has kind of caught me by surprise.
This is not a gender issue, but as a guy with interests and participation in other forums (especially gaming related ones) I sincerely assure you that the tone and comments in SEO are very mild.
I totally agree that everyone can have their own opinions. We are not all brainless sheep after all. Our views are coloured and informed by our own life experiences and that is what makes forums like these so rich and beautiful, where members bring their own impressions to be shared with everyone.
Personal attacks on anyone are a no no, but I would suggest that members who may feel that they have been targetted should do what I always do: ignore them. If the posts are from someone who you have an issue with, don't continue reading what they post.
Regardless, I wish all those leaving the forum all the best. Thank you for your many posts. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading them and valued your contributions. Please continue to at least lurk in this forum.
And may I invite you back on the night of September 3, 2015 at least, to share in a very special event?
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Post by batb4evr1 on Jul 23, 2015 7:18:45 GMT -5
I can't visit the forum so frequent lately, even less post comments or opinions about eps or anything else but I felt I had to based on what happened. I'm one of those who misses the magic of Vincat but still enjoys this season. Reading others pov has always been one of the reasons that attracted me of this forum and it is very sad to see that that is not welcome anymore by some members. There was a period, during s2, when discussions here were VERY tough but never thought of leaving. Even in that period, no one ever said to another member how to write a post... Seriously, someone really thinks that because some people don't like this season and openly say so, the show will not continue or writters will stop writting? I also feel very sad that anapi's and laura's quit in first place was understood as giving up... What they did was give up forum, not their love for Batb despite their concerns for this season. Any member in this forum is probably aware of how passionate and commited are both (and others who left later). Spoilers are up to date thanks to them among few others (Yolie is the queen), commenting on every episode, writting summaries for others who haven't watched yet, always fighting with polls, participating in batb campaigns, artworks, trends in twitter.... How can anyone who has visited this forum for a small amount of time can tell them "if u don't like the season maybe u should leave"?? Wth!!! I am also very sorry for a big amount of newbies and not so newbies who are wonderful and might be totally shocked by what's going on here. I guess it's my time to say goodbye too. I hope u all enjoy here, with less "negative" comments but also with less spark! , please, please don't go!!! This is not what this forum is about! I joined for the unity and love for not only BATB but for our group, the Beasties! You cannot let anyone, and I mean this because I am so very disappointed that it has come to this line of thinking for some. Once again this forum is for all of us, whether you like this Season or not! We all belong here and should, let me rephrase that, CAN express themselves but without malice towards our show or each other! That is the only rule as I have always understood it and will strongly defend this! So to anyone else considering leave for these reasons, stop feeling unwelcome and know that you are very much welcome here! This is my Beastie Den and I am putting myself out there to say louding, no one leaves unless they really want to but not because they are not welcome!   |
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Post by batb4evr1 on Jul 23, 2015 7:29:50 GMT -5
As a relative newbie but more longtime lurker, all this has kind of caught me by surprise. This is not a gender issue, but as a guy with interests and participation in other forums (especially gaming related ones) I sincerely assure you that the tone and comments in SEO are very mild. I totally agree that everyone can have their own opinions. We are not all brainless sheep after all. Our views are coloured and informed by our own life experiences and that is what makes forums like these so rich and beautiful, where members bring their own impressions to be shared with everyone. Personal attacks on anyone are a no no, but I would suggest that members who may feel that they have been targetted should do what I always do: ignore them. If the posts are from someone who you have an issue with, don't continue reading what they post. Regardless, I wish all those leaving the forum all the best. Thank you for your many posts. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading them and valued your contributions. Please continue to at least lurk in this forum. And may I invite you back on the night of September 3, 2015 at least, to share in a very special event? , I could just hug you now! Well said and there are a great number of us who stand with you shaking our heads in response to this shocking nonsense! We all belong here and have a right to a differing opinions regarding episodes, character response/actions and writing trends within our beloved BATB and unless someone has just simply stopped enjoying the show they should stay with the forum. Now this was said before and I must restate this for emphasis, if anyone no longer feels anything for BATB this it is a disservice to them and the other SEO forum member to remain and just vent displeasure, disapproval and disdain. This is when a forum member should make the decision to leave but not harbor resentment against the forum or its members. We are all adults and sometimes we leave situations but it is always our decision or at least it should be our decision because only then we can truly move on. And if it is right the door opens both ways doesn't it! |
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Post by batb4evr1 on Jul 23, 2015 7:46:38 GMT -5
Okay, I've caught up on the posts, and since I've been asked for my opinion both publicly and privately, I will share it. I usually leave you guys to discuss things without trying to overly moderate what's done and said, and allow everyone to speak freely.
Side note here: a special thank you to our moderators for all they do, and I don't at all mind admitting that I have absolutely no idea why Nelly left. I've known Nelly for a long while now, even before SEO, and I hate to see her go, but she did not choose to share her reasons with me.
I feel my points will be most easily made in a numbered list, which is meant for clarity and not condescension.
1. OPINION: I have been part of online fandoms for many years now (as several of you have), and I seriously have to say this is one of the tamest and mildest fan bases I've ever seen, forum wise. Now, I don't follow too much activity on twitter, so if that's volatile, then I wouldn't know it. I don't even really like twitter at all. I'm pretty much a tumblr and instagram person. Anyway, as far as forums go, this fandom is actually not overly deeply divided, nor bitter, nor negative, nor rude, compared to MANY others, at least from what I've read and observed over the years.
2. FACT: Everyone is safe here. If you're telling people how to post in any way, you are wrong. YOU are wrong. If you're suggesting people should be more positive, you are spreading negativity to those people. "People should try to show the pros and cons..." - NO. "Voicing negative views sends the wrong message..." Nope. They can say what they want, within the rules. It's really that simple.
3. OPINION: In the past, when someone has made me feel uncomfortable in a forum situation, it made me all that much more determined to stay there and feel like: NO one is going to run me away from a forum that I am a part of, that I have contributed to. I understand that controversy makes some people very uncomfortable, and that they need to leave for their own reasons, to do what they need to do. I just wanted to throw out there the option/mode of thinking that, when someone makes you feel weird in your fan space, it can be an opportunity to dig in and own that space even more, because it is yours too. It is not theirs, it is not mine. It's ours. It's anyone's who cares in any way (good or bad), and follows the rules. So stay, if you want to stay. Everyone leaving, and dwindling opinions will not help anything, and will make it boring, but if your real life is disrupted and upset, then be happy!
4. FACT: It is absolutely untrue that negative opinions will kill the show and stop the writers from writing. As you know, the CW picked up every show for another season, so we get a season 4. I'm not talking about twitter - people have to answer for themselves on twitter, but fan forums are safe spaces for canon discussion, head canon, spoilers, debating and even ranting, when the maddening plots arise. No one has to be nervous that expressing an opinion will kill the show and make the writers quit. The higher powers KNOW that, generally Beasties adore the show and the stars of the show - remember, that is from the horse's mouth! (Kristin). Highs and lows and passion are part of fandom life. They can take opinions. They are professionals.
5. OPINION: I don't get the whole "caught in the past" issue. These are characters - fake people. If one fan is still pissed that V shoved C and another fan is still pissed that C shot V, and another fan can't get past Alex, and another thinks Cat is this way or that, this season, who cares? It's a show, and we don't have to let go and move on if we don't want to. We just really don't. There are various shows where I unfairly judge characters more harshly than others, and not at all the way I would view people in real life. I believe in forgiveness and healing in real life, but I would punch Damon Salvatore in the face, on sight - I just would. However, despite everything the Winchester brothers have done on Supernatural, I would hug them eternally. It's nonsense. It's fun. It's fandom.
BTW, not laying down the law here, just voicing my thoughts (the opinions) and hopefully clearing a few things up. (the facts). Feel free to reply.
Anyway, we built this forum out of a deep love and respect for Kristin, and we have grown to love the entire BATB family since that time. We hope you all have fun here and share your passion for the show. It really is that simple to us (Karen and I). You are all valued here and you are welcome.
Let me know if you need anything. I'm listening.  Hello Vincent Keller, I am one of the newbies and I am so very happy to meet you but truly regret the circumstance under which I am being introduced to you.  I must say I was quite taken by your candid but still warm post. I personally feel that your response along with Andromeda03 and VinCat❤Destined was appropriate and very much needed. My heart was breaking with some of the wounded responses with this thread and I am glad you waiting to respond and read the thread first. Once again I am new here, I was reading as a guest since BATB started and then finally decided to join because I feel a common foundation of love for BATB, VinCat and our Beastie Den. I felt and still do feel this is my Den! I am fond of a number of the members I have come to know through their posts and I respect some of the only members I do not necessary agree with but our love of the show overcomes any distant feelings other people may feel that they can defend. In closing, just for now because I am not leaving, I love you all and we do not have to agree but there is one unbreakable rule and that is none of us are ever allowed to hurt or disrespect the show, it's actors (their personal lives are off limits to slander or attack), this forum or our Beastie Den! |
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jul 23, 2015 8:17:58 GMT -5
It is my turn to respectfully bow out. I have to begin by saying that I am relieved that I read through this thread before posting my review on Episode 7, (which I will certainly never post in this Forum) because I do not want to be (erroneously) labelled as "being negative". When I read comments that state that "high expectations" or "being caught up in the past and unable to move on" are the issues that lead some of us to be "negative" (a most inappropriate word for what members/ex-members were expressing here), I realize that the true issue has been misconstrued and/or misunderstood.
anapi -season3baby :), Laura and @socmom left this forum earlier today for the same reason I am leaving now, and it has nothing to do with the show. It has everything to do with the way people are expressing themselves here. Everyone seems to agree that we all have the right to write our views and to agree and disagree with each others' opinions. What is unacceptable, however, is that in stating their opinion, some members point fingers at other members. I personally do not want to be responsible for any one else's state of mind...so when I read that the "negativity coming in week after week bothers me"...."it's depressing and brings down those who are enjoying the season...." I feel that my perspective is not welcome here and that I am being accused of negatively affecting another person's mental well-being. Likewise, I feel saddened that another member feels he/she must apologize for critiquing many aspects of an episode: "I am sorry I have come out as too negative...". So I guess they will no longer be "so negative". Despite what some may think, Anapi, Laura, Socmom and now I, left/are leaving "based upon our own personal circumstances"; the silencing that is going on is not "happening behind the scene" it is public and going on right here, and I cannot be part of it. Reading that "negativity" may lead to "losing the show", that there is "bitterness and resentment", that "when you only focus on the negatives, it send the wrong message" (to whom?) or that "being extremely critical of the show is a signal you may not wish to be a part of this forum..." I feel silenced and judged, two things I never thought I would feel here.
It is with a heavy heart that I say goodbye; there are so many people here who I care for and whom I admire deeply: the incredible artists who have wowed me time after time, the talented video makers who have shared so selflessly, those who have made me burst out laughing (at the most inappropriate times), those who have challenged my thinking and who are so wise, those who have such a way with words, those who have surprised me, those who have made me cry, my fellow banana lovers (you know who you are)...well I could go on and on.... ...but I will not suffer foolish comments gladly. Being a member of this Forum has been a roller coaster ride. It has now come to an end, and it is time for me to dismount..probably not as gracefully as I had intended to...but who's looking??? @locaxbatb, When I read your post, I decided to go back and really pour over a few of the latest Episode Threads, this thread and posts because I thought maybe I missed something. I have kind of scanned posts to try to "catch up" on things and also try not to spoil myself too much because I watch BATB on Thursdays. I respect your comments and I understand your point whole heartedly, but honestly for the life of me I am not seeing where anyone is really trying to "silence" anyone. I am truly not trying to argue with you or anyone, I am just so baffled. I could only find 1 maybe 2 posts that made some mention of "negativity" but it was so brief and innocuous that it didn't really stand out. I had to reread many posts just to be sure I read things correctly. Maybe I just didn't see it that way and the responding posts really didn't clue me into some major disagreement. I thought the whole conversation (which was 4 small posts) was pretty respectful and made some good points. The posts in question are just a few pages back, .....I don't want to seem like I am picking on anyone. Just read them and if anyone feels threatened or silenced please let me know. I will admit I am wrong or maybe I am not sensitive to it , but I thought many brought up some great points about the episode, good and not so good. In my honest opinion, after reading many posts here at SEO, was that some members commented how the BaTB Twitter was THE PLACE where they were seeing lots of "division" in the fandom. There was mention that some BaTB fans were "criticizing" on the writers Twitterfeed and some BaTB were "policing" the Tweets and trying to silence others from giving negative feedback and criticisms. (This is in a post directly). Mentions of "Division" in the fandom here were just that some are really liking this Season 3 and some that had issues with this Season 3. But let me emphasize,...... that not once did someone HERE try to silence anyone or try to stop the other member from posting something negative. Only once did someone say that it is "depressing" to hear negativity, but understood that everyone has an opinion. The comments were not directed to any one person, .....so why people took so personally to the comment is perplexing to me. I think if anyone goes back over the whole conversation and Episode comments, I think it was all very "Balanced" of Favorable and Unfavorable reviews. I thought it was helpful to me as I have yet to see the episode. Again, I got TOO SPOILED....I can't help myself. Thank you Vincent Keller and Andromeda03 for your comments and help in clarifying things for us, especially the new members, because this is my concern. I understand if those leaving feel that the Season is not as compelling and maybe the energy isn't there and commenting isn't as fulfilling, etc. or maybe Twitter is becoming a Divided BaTB fandom and there is some harsh rhetoric. I understand that you want to leave, and I respect that. If you feel like you don't want to post anything negative because it may bring the fandom here at SEO down, then I think that is considerate of you. But I for one and many others have said that we LOVE ALL COMMENTS! The ADMIN and MODS support ALL COMMENTS and they support this fandom here. My main point is,..... that I don't want people who are reading some of these posts to get the impression we are cracking down on and silencing individuals for negative comments because I really saw NO evidence of that here. If it is happening on Twitter then that is a different story and that was mentioned here. In THIS forum, all the comments were shared with respect and if I am wrong, please correct me and show me where that occurred. For those leaving, I have loved ALL your posts and enthusiasm. I wish you well and hope you enjoy the rest of the series. I wish there was some way we all could have prevented this and had some honest, open discussions to help with understanding..... I don't know how I am going to feel about this episode now, but I am going to try and appreciate it as much as I can. I am grateful for Season 3 and 4 and I am willing to share the ride......and as Cat would say with "all the Loop de Loops" ....with this wonderful fandom here. |
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Post by batb4evr1 on Jul 23, 2015 8:37:23 GMT -5
It is my turn to respectfully bow out. I have to begin by saying that I am relieved that I read through this thread before posting my review on Episode 7, (which I will certainly never post in this Forum) because I do not want to be (erroneously) labelled as "being negative". When I read comments that state that "high expectations" or "being caught up in the past and unable to move on" are the issues that lead some of us to be "negative" (a most inappropriate word for what members/ex-members were expressing here), I realize that the true issue has been misconstrued and/or misunderstood.
anapi -season3baby :), Laura and @socmom left this forum earlier today for the same reason I am leaving now, and it has nothing to do with the show. It has everything to do with the way people are expressing themselves here. Everyone seems to agree that we all have the right to write our views and to agree and disagree with each others' opinions. What is unacceptable, however, is that in stating their opinion, some members point fingers at other members. I personally do not want to be responsible for any one else's state of mind...so when I read that the "negativity coming in week after week bothers me"...."it's depressing and brings down those who are enjoying the season...." I feel that my perspective is not welcome here and that I am being accused of negatively affecting another person's mental well-being. Likewise, I feel saddened that another member feels he/she must apologize for critiquing many aspects of an episode: "I am sorry I have come out as too negative...". So I guess they will no longer be "so negative". Despite what some may think, Anapi, Laura, Socmom and now I, left/are leaving "based upon our own personal circumstances"; the silencing that is going on is not "happening behind the scene" it is public and going on right here, and I cannot be part of it. Reading that "negativity" may lead to "losing the show", that there is "bitterness and resentment", that "when you only focus on the negatives, it send the wrong message" (to whom?) or that "being extremely critical of the show is a signal you may not wish to be a part of this forum..." I feel silenced and judged, two things I never thought I would feel here.
It is with a heavy heart that I say goodbye; there are so many people here who I care for and whom I admire deeply: the incredible artists who have wowed me time after time, the talented video makers who have shared so selflessly, those who have made me burst out laughing (at the most inappropriate times), those who have challenged my thinking and who are so wise, those who have such a way with words, those who have surprised me, those who have made me cry, my fellow banana lovers (you know who you are)...well I could go on and on.... ...but I will not suffer foolish comments gladly. Being a member of this Forum has been a roller coaster ride. It has now come to an end, and it is time for me to dismount..probably not as gracefully as I had intended to...but who's looking??? @locaxbatb, When I read your post, I decided to go back and really pour over a few of the latest Episode Threads, this thread and posts because I thought maybe I missed something. I have kind of scanned posts to try to "catch up" on things and also try not to spoil myself too much because I watch BATB on Thursdays. I respect your comments and I understand your point whole heartedly, but honestly for the life of me I am not seeing where anyone is really trying to "silence" anyone. I am truly not trying to argue with you or anyone, I am just so baffled. I could only find 1 maybe 2 posts that made some mention of "negativity" but it was so brief and innocuous that it didn't really stand out. I had to reread many posts just to be sure I read things correctly. Maybe I just didn't see it that way and the responding posts really didn't clue me into some major disagreement. I thought the whole conversation (which was 4 small posts) was pretty respectful and made some good points. The posts in question are just a few pages back, .....I don't want to seem like I am picking on anyone. Just read them and if anyone feels threatened or silenced please let me know. I will admit I am wrong or maybe I am not sensitive to it , but I thought many brought up some great points about the episode, good and not so good. In my honest opinion, after reading many posts here at SEO, was that some members commented how the BaTB Twitter was THE PLACE where they were seeing lots of "division" in the fandom. There was mention that some BaTB fans were "criticizing" on the writers Twitterfeed and some BaTB were "policing" the Tweets and trying to silence others from giving negative feedback and criticisms. (This is in a post directly). Mentions of "Division" in the fandom here were just that some are really liking this Season 3 and some that had issues with this Season 3. But let me emphasize,...... that not once did someone HERE try to silence anyone or try to stop the other member from posting something negative. Only once did someone say that it is "depressing" to hear negativity, but understood that everyone has an opinion. The comments were not directed to any one person, .....so why people took so personally to the comment is perplexing to me. I think if anyone goes back over the whole conversation and Episode comments, I think it was all very "Balanced" of Favorable and Unfavorable reviews. I thought it was helpful to me as I have yet to see the episode. Again, I got TOO SPOILED....I can't help myself. Thank you Vincent Keller and Andromeda03 for your comments and help in clarifying things for us, especially the new members, because this is my concern. I understand if those leaving feel that the Season is not as compelling and maybe the energy isn't there and commenting isn't as fulfilling, etc. or maybe Twitter is becoming a Divided BaTB fandom and there is some harsh rhetoric. I understand that you want to leave, and I respect that. If you feel like you don't want to post anything negative because it may bring the fandom here at SEO down, then I think that is considerate of you. But I for one and many others have said that we LOVE ALL COMMENTS! The ADMIN and MODS support ALL COMMENTS and they support this fandom here. My main point is,..... that I don't want people who are reading some of these posts to get the impression we are cracking down on and silencing individuals for negative comments because I really saw NO evidence of that here. If it is happening on Twitter then that is a different story and that was mentioned here. In THIS forum, all the comments were shared with respect and if I am wrong, please correct me and show me where that occurred. For those leaving, I have loved ALL your posts and enthusiasm. I wish you well and hope you enjoy the rest of the series. I wish there was some way we all could have prevented this and had some honest, open discussions to help with understanding..... I don't know how I am going to feel about this episode now, but I am going to try and appreciate it as much as I can. I am grateful for Season 3 and 4 and I am willing to share the ride......and as Cat would say with "all the Loop de Loops" ....with this wonderful fandom here. , I love you and am in the car with you "for all the Loop de Loops"! Our next episode is tonight where I am and I cannot wait to see what VinCat, JT, Tess and Heather are experiencing now!  |
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Post by lovebatb on Jul 23, 2015 8:45:42 GMT -5
I can't visit the forum so frequent lately, even less post comments or opinions about eps or anything else but I felt I had to based on what happened. I'm one of those who misses the magic of Vincat but still enjoys this season. Reading others pov has always been one of the reasons that attracted me of this forum and it is very sad to see that that is not welcome anymore by some members. There was a period, during s2, when discussions here were VERY tough but never thought of leaving. Even in that period, no one ever said to another member how to write a post... Seriously, someone really thinks that because some people don't like this season and openly say so, the show will not continue or writters will stop writting? I also feel very sad that anapi's and laura's quit in first place was understood as giving up... What they did was give up forum, not their love for Batb despite their concerns for this season. Any member in this forum is probably aware of how passionate and commited are both (and others who left later). Spoilers are up to date thanks to them among few others (Yolie is the queen), commenting on every episode, writting summaries for others who haven't watched yet, always fighting with polls, participating in batb campaigns, artworks, trends in twitter.... How can anyone who has visited this forum for a small amount of time can tell them "if u don't like the season maybe u should leave"?? Wth!!! I am also very sorry for a big amount of newbies and not so newbies who are wonderful and might be totally shocked by what's going on here. I guess it's my time to say goodbye too. I hope u all enjoy here, with less "negative" comments but also with less spark! , please, please don't go!!! This is not what this forum is about! I joined for the unity and love for not only BATB but for our group, the Beasties! You cannot let anyone, and I mean this because I am so very disappointed that it has come to this line of thinking for some. Once again this forum is for all of us, whether you like this Season or not! We all belong here and should, let me rephrase that, CAN express themselves but without malice towards our show or each other! That is the only rule as I have always understood it and will strongly defend this! So to anyone else considering leave for these reasons, stop feeling unwelcome and know that you are very much welcome here! This is my Beastie Den and I am putting myself out there to say louding, no one leaves unless they really want to but not because they are not welcome!  I am so sad with all this... Please, let's remain united ! We are not a huge fandom, but we have already won so many battles together!!! |
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jul 23, 2015 9:09:52 GMT -5
Suzieq ❤️ Beastie, I love you and am in the car with you "for all the Loop de Loops"! Our next episode is tonight where I am and I cannot wait to see what VinCat, JT, Tess and Heather are experiencing now! Aww, thanks. I'll be here!  |
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jul 23, 2015 9:17:32 GMT -5
I am so sad with all this... Please, let's remain united ! We are not a huge fandom, but we have already won so many battles together!!! Yes.....we have come so far we need to stay UNITED! Let me just say one more thing.......I care about everyone here, truly. Anyone who had decided to leave,...... I am trying to understand, but if you ever want to come back, (and I think I speak for most everyone here) we will welcome you with open arms. After so much "heart and soul" that you all put here, please know that it was all greatly appreciated. |
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Post by batb4evr1 on Jul 23, 2015 9:30:25 GMT -5
I am so sad with all this... Please, let's remain united ! We are not a huge fandom, but we have already won so many battles together!!! Yes.....we have come so far we need to stay UNITED! Let me just say one more thing.......I care about everyone here, truly. Anyone who had decided to leave,...... I am trying to understand, but if you ever want to come back, (and I think I speak for most everyone here) we will welcome you with open arms. After so much "heart and soul" that you all put here, please know that it was all greatly appreciated. Can I love you more Suzieq ❤️ Beastie? I second that emotion, loud and clear! We are the Beasties and we have overcome many thing and proved that we are better, make that stronger together than apart! lovebatb, here's your bear hug too! There is a loud roar in the Den from those who are letting it be known that we are UNITED! But as Suzieq ❤️ Beastie said, if anyone decides to leave we send you with our love but the door swings both ways and if the forum remains we will be waiting with open arms and hearts! Once a Beastie always a Beastie! No refunds!!!  |
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jul 23, 2015 9:54:52 GMT -5
Once a Beastie always a Beastie! No refunds!!! LOVE IT!!  |
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) or that "being extremely critical of the show is a signal you may not wish to be a part of this forum..." I feel silenced and judged, two things I never thought I would feel here.
I am so sad with all this... Please, let's remain united ! We are not a huge fandom, but we have already won so many battles together!!!
