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Post by beastinthehouse on Sept 12, 2014 8:11:41 GMT -5
Sorry if my well intentioned realism about the show's prospects has caused so many of you to become so defensive such that you've had to respond with such sarcasm.
But if you guys want to play this "game", you know what I can also "enlighten" you about the show?
It's not realistic and not even BATB except in name only. It's the beauty who sleeps around and the underwear model who sometimes beasts out. Wow. In a half a year they're sleeping together. Their love is so brave and there is so much to overcome. She must be so repulsed while she's being fondled by his hands on her ass and tongue down her throat.
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Post by Nelly on Sept 12, 2014 8:47:47 GMT -5
Sorry if my well intentioned realism about the show's prospects has caused so many of you to become so defensive such that you've had to respond with such sarcasm. But if you guys want to play this "game", you know what I can also "enlighten" you about the show? It's not realistic and not even BATB except in name only. It's the beauty who sleeps around and the underwear model who sometimes beasts out. Wow. In a half a year they're sleeping together. Their love is so brave and there is so much to overcome. She must be so repulsed while she's being fondled by his hands on her ass and tongue down her throat.  Btw what do you expect from people when you start your post with "YOU ALL REALIZE" ?? Like YOU ARE THE ONE AND ONLY who sees the light? Geez... |
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Sept 12, 2014 9:11:59 GMT -5
Sorry if my well intentioned realism about the show's prospects has caused so many of you to become so defensive such that you've had to respond with such sarcasm. But if you guys want to play this "game", you know what I can also "enlighten" you about the show? It's not realistic and not even BATB except in name only. It's the beauty who sleeps around and the underwear model who sometimes beasts out. Wow. In a half a year they're sleeping together. Their love is so brave and there is so much to overcome. She must be so repulsed while she's being fondled by his hands on her ass and tongue down her throat. you are funny - and repetitive (since you have repeated your underwear model and w...e beauty discourse over and over again). My answer to your post had nothing to do with what you said but the tone of your post btw |
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Post by beastinthehouse on Sept 12, 2014 9:33:04 GMT -5
Yeah, because none of you are ever repetitive and don't ever think you're the only ones who "see the light", as if that was ever my intention.  |
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Post by Nelly on Sept 12, 2014 9:40:54 GMT -5
Yeah, because none of you are ever repetitive and don't ever think you're the only ones who "see the light", as if that was ever my intention. As you can sense the sarcasm in our posts we can also sense your intention in your posts... |
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Sept 12, 2014 9:44:27 GMT -5
Yeah, because none of you are ever repetitive and don't ever think you're the only ones who "see the light", as if that was ever my intention. Firstly, "we" are not one entity. We are separate individuals. Secondly, I do not tend to categorise people as one entity and spread my wisdom insinuating that others are dim witted which is what u did with your post. Enough said won't post more in thectopic moving on. |
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Post by beastinthehouse on Sept 12, 2014 10:07:17 GMT -5
Oh, I'm sorry, I guess only people like Vincat-3.0 can use "we" to refer to you guys as a group, but when someone like me does it, it's we're all separate individuals. Newsflash for you: you can be classified as both an individual and as a group, that group being fans of the show.
As for reading and then interpreting my comments as suggesting that you are all dimwitted, that's your fault. People don't have to be such not to realize certain things. They can be by weighed down by other considerations, like being overly optimistic, or simply stubborn.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Sept 12, 2014 10:15:04 GMT -5
beastinthehouse,
You are correct that this is the Everything Thread. We have basically used it to welcome Debate and Discussion. With that in mind, I will try to respond to your post with my thoughts/perspective. You are certainly welcome to your own, and I certainly have no issue with attempting to debate the issue and consider where you are coming from.
First contention: that the show is not realistic. Well, BATB 2012 was originally intended to be an "updated" version of the late 80's show starring Linda Hamilton and Ron Perlman. (LOVED the original series, by the by.) BATB back then was described as being a "fairy tale." Therefore, I would consider the 2012 updated version to be its own modern-day fairytale. So I expect a little magic, mythology, beast fights, and impossible odds and creatures that fairy tales usually bring. The scientists are almost sorcerers creating life-altering things that completely change character's lives. I mean, the whole premise is that the new Beast became a beast due to being injected with a super-secret government-created serum. I don't look to BATB for anything truly realistic. It is fantasy escapism.
Second contention: that the main characters got together too quickly. This topic has been debated over and over but still continues to come up. It is even mentioned on the DVD of Season 1 when Sherri and Jennifer talk on the commentary. Many feel as you do. So often when the leads come together, people quit watching. However, me personally, I hate how unrealistic it gets if there is an attraction between the leads to expect them not to act upon it. And frankly, Vincent had spent nearly 10 years in hiding and 9 years following Catherine around after saving her. And as you yourself mention, they certainly aren't ugly! Sherri and Jennifer pointed out that if they found themselves in the situation, they would get together with the guy. I found it realistic that VinCat would seize the moment, especially given that Muirfield could track them down at any moment and kill them. VinCat were continually tested following getting together in Season 1, and they grew closer and stronger. HOWEVER, when new showrunners/team got brought in, the decision was that the main leads HAD gotten together too soon, and they wanted to do a whole re-boot. So Vincent got amnesia. (And I think everyone got unhappy thereafter. We all can debate WHY that actually was. No dispute that we lost A LOT of viewers as a result of some of the storylines of Season 2. But again, VinCat fought their way back to one another. And Beasties overall seem to love the end result of Season 2.)
Third contention: that Catherine slept around. Even Catherine admits to her previous relationship flaws. However, in BATB world, she has been in a serious relationship with Vincent that then imploded. After the break-up, she didn't date for at least 2 months before believing Vincent to have moved on (episode 212). She then determines that it is time for her to move on as well and give a relationship with Gabe a chance. Insert here the immediate and almost violent reaction of Beasties everywhere. If Catherine gets slammed for anything, it is this. I found it reasonable personally due to Catherine seeing Gabe as being the "new Vincent" in that he was trying hard for redemption and to save lives. He was a lawyer like the father that raised her. Catherine liked the idea of seeing Gabe as a partner where she would catch the bad guys and Gabe build a case against them. Of course, Catherine never had gotten over Vincent, so YES, she did cheat on Gabe at the end of episode 215 by sleeping with Vincent. Again, LOTS of debate amongst Beasties who would have really liked to have seen Catherine break up with Gabe first. Some have even called this the "character assassination" of Catherine this season. No question that Beasties were rather beyond appalled. HOWEVER, people aren't perfect. And Catherine herself kept commenting this season that as a result of the trauma and other stuff that had happened to her, she didn't even really know herself anymore or what she really wanted. She had to work through that. So I don't see Catherine as "sleeping around." I even try to defend her as she tried to resolve the matter quickly. She did NOT plan on continuing to see two men at once. She clearly determined that she would make a decision between the two men which she did in 216. And I LOVED the reasons that caused her to choose Vincent. But that is a WHOLE other topic.
Fourth contention: was the comment regarding the actor. While calling someone an underwear model actually isn't too insulting to me, if meant to insult, then that is something we try not to do at this forum. We appreciate all the professional efforts made by the actors and actresses on BATB. We enjoy the fact that this forum is positive and created to generate debate and discussion about why we love the show. We all admit there are storylines we could have done without, BUT we don't purposefully insult one another or anyone on our screen, at least not intentionally. (Some of the Gabe and Tori commentaries have gotten kind-of bad at times. But we are being insulting to the CHARACTERS, not the actors themselves who are just doing what they are paid to do.) Personally, I would ask that no one try to purposefully annoy other forum members. Just not good. And when people are mad, they can't think and can't really have meaningful debates. So we all lose out then. I'm just trying to survive the BATB hiatus, and I do that by reading all the wonderful comments from members, especially the ones that cause me to re-think previous episodes or how I have perceived the characters.
Fifth contention: that the characters really haven't had many obstacles to overcome. Here, I definitely disagree. Vincent and Catherine have BOTH had so much trauma between them. Cat saw her mother (and father that raised her) basically murdered in front of her. Then saw the crimes pushed under the rug. Changed her whole outlook on life and her entire career path. Cat's remaining friends and family have been threatened and have been at odds with her at times all due to her relationship with Vincent nad the secrets she had to keep as a result. And that is just Season 1 and Catherine's situation. Vincent lost his two brothers, enlisted, got injected, and was declared dead while having to be on the run/in hiding. And his parents died shortly thereafter (and it has never been brought up whether was from natural causes, broken hearts, Muirfield, etc.). Vincent also gets re-captured, tortured, has his memory wiped, and then is sent out as an assassin. Yeah, real fairy-tale stuff. But all the tragedies ultimately cause Vincent and Catherine to naturally migrate towards one another as only one who has been directly impacted by Muirfield could understand just how much devastation the company could cause, particularly as it was protected by the government. At the same time, the very existence and threats posed by Muirfield caused Vincent (and Catherine, too) to push one another away at times in order to protect the other person. In fact, that ended up being a major issue for Catherine in that she felt she could protect herself, and no one else should be making decisions on her behalf. So I think that VinCat DID have a lot of obstacles to overcome.
Lastly, we Beasties tend to avoid "reality checks." Yes, we all know the odds regarding cancellation. Heard it a gaziollion times. But BATB has proven to be the little show that could. And we got a third season when originally NO ONE thought we would. Ratings certainly was not the reason we got the renewal in the first place. And we just don't know yet whether or not Season 3 will premiere in January or in summer 2015. So whether or not the show gets renewed will just be something we look towards in the springtime. Just know that this is often a topic of sensitivity to Beasties. We don't like to think of our fave show going away. But bring on the topics for debate and discussion. We DO welcome those in order to make the Hiatus pass faster.
Finally, I would just add that this Forum really is dedicated to accentuating the positive regarding the show and its members. Doesn't mean we don't get into rather heated debates about some of the arguably character-demeaning or character-assassination plots or storylines that some would argue occurred in Season 2 (and even in Season 1 for myself, given the whole Alex arc). Still, we don't attack one another directly or the actors that play the roles as no one likes or appreciates insults.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Sept 12, 2014 10:19:33 GMT -5
Oh, I'm sorry, I guess only people like Vincat-3.0 can use "we" to refer to you guys as a group, but when someone like me does it, it's we're all separate individuals. Newsflash for you: you can be classified as both an individual and as a group, that group being fans of the show. As for reading and then interpreting my comments as suggesting that you are all dimwitted, that's your fault. People don't have to be such not to realize certain things. They can be by weighed down by other considerations, like being overly optimistic, or simply stubborn. what u don't realise is that most people in the forum DO realise that the chances of renewal are slim (then again, they were last year too). you trying to spread the wisdom in a negative manner is redundant and you shoudl not be surprised that people responded accordingly. and if people want to be optimistic about the show's renewal chances, why not? who are you to say that we ALL need to realise that we won't get renewed. also yes we are both individuals and members of a group (fans of the show) and some of us are also friends outside of the forum as well. so it is acceptable for vincat3.0 to sometimes refer to some of us as us; it is different if somebody I do not know tries to make condescending comments or/and drawing generalised conclusions about everyone. |
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Post by jefferen on Sept 12, 2014 11:27:10 GMT -5
beastinthehouse, You are correct that this is the Everything Thread. We have basically used it to welcome Debate and Discussion. With that in mind, I will try to respond to your post with my thoughts/perspective. You are certainly welcome to your own, and I certainly have no issue with attempting to debate the issue and consider where you are coming from. First contention: that the show is not realistic. Well, BATB 2012 was originally intended to be an "updated" version of the late 80's show starring Linda Hamilton and Ron Perlman. (LOVED the original series, by the by.) BATB back then was described as being a "fairy tale." Therefore, I would consider the 2012 updated version to be its own modern-day fairytale. So I expect a little magic, mythology, beast fights, and impossible odds and creatures that fairy tales usually bring. The scientists are almost sorcerers creating life-altering things that completely change character's lives. I mean, the whole premise is that the new Beast became a beast due to being injected with a super-secret government-created serum. I don't look to BATB for anything truly realistic. It is fantasy escapism. Second contention: that the main characters got together too quickly. This topic has been debated over and over but still continues to come up. It is even mentioned on the DVD of Season 1 when Sherri and Jennifer talk on the commentary. Many feel as you do. So often when the leads come together, people quit watching. However, me personally, I hate how unrealistic it gets if there is an attraction between the leads to expect them not to act upon it. And frankly, Vincent had spent nearly 10 years in hiding and 9 years following Catherine around after saving her. And as you yourself mention, they certainly aren't ugly! Sherri and Jennifer pointed out that if they found themselves in the situation, they would get together with the guy. I found it realistic that VinCat would seize the moment, especially given that Muirfield could track them down at any moment and kill them. VinCat were continually tested following getting together in Season 1, and they grew closer and stronger. HOWEVER, when new showrunners/team got brought in, the decision was that the main leads HAD gotten together too soon, and they wanted to do a whole re-boot. So Vincent got amnesia. (And I think everyone got unhappy thereafter. We all can debate WHY that actually was. No dispute that we lost A LOT of viewers as a result of some of the storylines of Season 2. But again, VinCat fought their way back to one another. And Beasties overall seem to love the end result of Season 2.) Third contention: that Catherine slept around. Even Catherine admits to her previous relationship flaws. However, in BATB world, she has been in a serious relationship with Vincent that then imploded. After the break-up, she didn't date for at least 2 months before believing Vincent to have moved on (episode 212). She then determines that it is time for her to move on as well and give a relationship with Gabe a chance. Insert here the immediate and almost violent reaction of Beasties everywhere. If Catherine gets slammed for anything, it is this. I found it reasonable personally due to Catherine seeing Gabe as being the "new Vincent" in that he was trying hard for redemption and to save lives. He was a lawyer like the father that raised her. Catherine liked the idea of seeing Gabe as a partner where she would catch the bad guys and Gabe build a case against them. Of course, Catherine never had gotten over Vincent, so YES, she did cheat on Gabe at the end of episode 215 by sleeping with Vincent. Again, LOTS of debate amongst Beasties who would have really liked to have seen Catherine break up with Gabe first. Some have even called this the "character assassination" of Catherine this season. No question that Beasties were rather beyond appalled. HOWEVER, people aren't perfect. And Catherine herself kept commenting this season that as a result of the trauma and other stuff that had happened to her, she didn't even really know herself anymore or what she really wanted. She had to work through that. So I don't see Catherine as "sleeping around." I even try to defend her as she tried to resolve the matter quickly. She did NOT plan on continuing to see two men at once. She clearly determined that she would make a decision between the two men which she did in 216. And I LOVED the reasons that caused her to choose Vincent. But that is a WHOLE other topic. Fourth contention: was the comment regarding the actor. While calling someone an underwear model actually isn't too insulting to me, if meant to insult, then that is something we try not to do at this forum. We appreciate all the professional efforts made by the actors and actresses on BATB. We enjoy the fact that this forum is positive and created to generate debate and discussion about why we love the show. We all admit there are storylines we could have done without, BUT we don't purposefully insult one another or anyone on our screen, at least not intentionally. (Some of the Gabe and Tori commentaries have gotten kind-of bad at times. But we are being insulting to the CHARACTERS, not the actors themselves who are just doing what they are paid to do.) Personally, I would ask that no one try to purposefully annoy other forum members. Just not good. And when people are mad, they can't think and can't really have meaningful debates. So we all lose out then. I'm just trying to survive the BATB hiatus, and I do that by reading all the wonderful comments from members, especially the ones that cause me to re-think previous episodes or how I have perceived the characters. Fifth contention: that the characters really haven't had many obstacles to overcome. Here, I definitely disagree. Vincent and Catherine have BOTH had so much trauma between them. Cat saw her mother (and father that raised her) basically murdered in front of her. Then saw the crimes pushed under the rug. Changed her whole outlook on life and her entire career path. Cat's remaining friends and family have been threatened and have been at odds with her at times all due to her relationship with Vincent nad the secrets she had to keep as a result. And that is just Season 1 and Catherine's situation. Vincent lost his two brothers, enlisted, got injected, and was declared dead while having to be on the run/in hiding. And his parents died shortly thereafter (and it has never been brought up whether was from natural causes, broken hearts, Muirfield, etc.). Vincent also gets re-captured, tortured, has his memory wiped, and then is sent out as an assassin. Yeah, real fairy-tale stuff. But all the tragedies ultimately cause Vincent and Catherine to naturally migrate towards one another as only one who has been directly impacted by Muirfield could understand just how much devastation the company could cause, particularly as it was protected by the government. At the same time, the very existence and threats posed by Muirfield caused Vincent (and Catherine, too) to push one another away at times in order to protect the other person. In fact, that ended up being a major issue for Catherine in that she felt she could protect herself, and no one else should be making decisions on her behalf. So I think that VinCat DID have a lot of obstacles to overcome. Lastly, we Beasties tend to avoid "reality checks." Yes, we all know the odds regarding cancellation. Heard it a gaziollion times. But BATB has proven to be the little show that could. And we got a third season when originally NO ONE thought we would. Ratings certainly was not the reason we got the renewal in the first place. And we just don't know yet whether or not Season 3 will premiere in January or in summer 2015. So whether or not the show gets renewed will just be something we look towards in the springtime. Just know that this is often a topic of sensitivity to Beasties. We don't like to think of our fave show going away. But bring on the topics for debate and discussion. We DO welcome those in order to make the Hiatus pass faster.
Finally, I would just add that this Forum really is dedicated to accentuating the positive regarding the show and its members. Doesn't mean we don't get into rather heated debates about some of the arguably character-demeaning or character-assassination plots or storylines that some would argue occurred in Season 2 (and even in Season 1 for myself, given the whole Alex arc). Still, we don't attack one another directly or the actors that play the roles as no one likes or appreciates insults. As always another great post. You took all the words right out of my mouth especially w/ the stuff in bold. 100 % agree  Thank You |
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Sept 12, 2014 12:42:57 GMT -5
Oh, I'm sorry, I guess only people like Vincat-3.0 can use "we" to refer to you guys as a group, but when someone like me does it, it's we're all separate individuals. Newsflash for you: you can be classified as both an individual and as a group, that group being fans of the show. As for reading and then interpreting my comments as suggesting that you are all dimwitted, that's your fault. People don't have to be such not to realize certain things. They can be by weighed down by other considerations, like being overly optimistic, or simply stubborn. I've been on this board since December of 2012 and I became a mod in March of 2013 ...I spend a <edited> load of time on this board and 85% of the information posted about the show is put here by ME. WITH that said I've made a lot of friends outside thus board and there's nothing wrong with that. When I said 'we' in that case I meant the entire 'forum' not just the circle of friends I've made outside of it. And when it comes to renewal no one knows anything yet. When everyone last year doomed the show Yours truly was the ONLY one who believed and said that the show would be renewed when even 'my so called friends' Didn't. I'm not blind as to the rating but this shows renewal isn't solely based on ratings for renewal(even though it is a part) and lastly I'm a optimist by nature so positivity is in me. I can understand people who are skeptical or pessimistic cause not everyone is the same and I respect those people. But to tell someone to think the way you do is wrong. I try to always see other people's side and in many cases I can understand where their coming from. Even Dan, whom I've noticed is 'bothered' by Catherine's (KK) lack of story centric problems. But my point is this... If you watch a show that only makes you angry WHY put yourselves through that if you aren't getting any satisfaction from it? Dan you can always write the writers or the president of CW and express your discontent with the show with them? For the only people that can help in your dilemma is the show runners. And to be honest the only time a few people post is only for negativity. Isn't there anything good you have to say about the show? The actors? Again then why continue to watch? I'm not saying not too but I'm trying to see the point. Is watching an actress so important? You like actors that much to put yourselves to the torture just to support them? If so then you deserve a medal cause I honestly couldn't watch something I didn't like or makes me angry ALL the time. Lastly bashing of the actors is a no no...to insult them is a no no. They are only doing their jobs with the scripts given to them. It's the writers who put into paper what the actors portray. So moot point when bashing actors for what you see. We have rules in this forum. They are in a little section above.Feel free to have a refresher course if anyone needs to read them. I won't post a link since many of you are familiar with this forum |
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Post by beastinthehouse on Sept 12, 2014 13:26:57 GMT -5
What in my initial statement besides some interpreted nonsense of my intentions with respect to the first some words that I said was so offensive or unrealistic to deserve such responses? Nothing.
As for what I said and its tone after the fact because of them, that was with respect to the representation of the story and had nothing to do with the actors.
Whatever.
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Post by Mrs Forbes Glass Half Full on Sept 12, 2014 14:16:28 GMT -5
Haven't been here for a while because of holidays and poorly parents....... good to be back!
But what do you know Dan bemoaning the apparent lack of Catherine in a season that hasn't been filmed yet.....
Beastinthehouse winding Beasties up with his underwear model and general snippy comments about our beloved BATB.
Wash, Rinse, Repeat or is it Same Old, Same Old?
I too am baffled by the notion of continuing to watch something that you have such negativity about.
Life is too short
I am not advocating that anyone stop watching.......just cannot see the point if you have nothing good to say.......
No one knows what the future holds, if these are the last episodes then I for one am determined to enjoy the ride. But it ain't over til the fat lady sing (whoever she may be)
All just my opinion of course.
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Post by dan on Sept 12, 2014 14:55:07 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if Brad Kern read this boards and decided to made the show became the Vincent show based on assumption that more people are so fanaticaly crazy about him than Cat.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Sept 12, 2014 15:07:08 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if Brad Kern read this boards and decided to made the show became the Vincent show based on assumption that more people are so fanaticaly crazy about him than Cat. I highly doubt it...he has better things to do with his time then read our posts. But just in case MR.KERN we love our Beasts!!  |
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