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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Mar 7, 2014 9:17:20 GMT -5
On page 38 of this thread, I made a post saying how I had an alternate ending to 215 running in my head. Well, I got several replies, so here it is. Please remember, I am not a writer or a person who is even mildly creative. Don't expect a ep 114 type of scene! SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN READING THIS : First of all, in the perfect, imaginary season in my head, Tori never existed and Gabe is always kept waiting in the wings. Windsor did exist, though, so imagine the events of S2 happening up to E6, without the whole Tori character. Then E7 happened, but in my mind, Reynolds caused V to beast out and think he needed to break things off with Cat. E8 – E10 occurred with all the same events, except that Tori wasn’t there. V just went more beast on his own as Reynolds predicted (“ they only get worse”) and declared himself alive in E9 alone. E11 never had Tori in the precinct ( since she will not exist in my mind ever again ), but the bad guys were still after the gem, so the hostage situation still turned out the same. I have not seen any of the other episodes (12 through 15), so can’t comment on those. I did, however, watch the final scene of E15, found here. That is what got my own brain to start developing its own ideas of how it could have ended differently. (Sorry, I’m one of those who hate to see characters cheating. Just a bugaboo with me . . . ) Everything in the last scene starts out the same in my head, up until the first kiss and then when Cat pulls away. All of that is the same. The difference starts after . . . Cat pulls away from his kiss and stares up into his eyes. But V follows, taking a step toward her, holding her face in his hands, and resting his forehead on hers. They both close their eyes at the contact.
V: (eyes still closed) “ Catherine, I love you so much.” (in that husky whisper of his) C: (barely audible, lips trembling) “ Vincent . . . “ (but is interrupted) V: (opens his eyes to stare into hers) “ There is just one problem though.” C: (lifts her head to look him in the eye, puzzled expression on her face) “ What is that?” V: (gives her one of those looks – you know the one – like he could DEVOUR her!) “ I’m afraid I love you more now than I ever have.” (Shakes his head) “ EVER.” Cat gasps, then immediately clamps her hands over her mouth to prevent the sob from escaping her. A single tear falls down one cheek. She backs away from V slowly at first, then turns on a dime and races out the boat house door. As he hears her heartbeat fading into the distance . . .
V: (whispers, as we catch a glimpse of a tear escaping his eye as well) “ CATHERINE . . .” OK, more of a rip your heart out, sad sort of ending, but there would be a point to it ending that way. The next ep in my fake season would obviously NOT be called “About Last Night . . .” The next ep would open with Cat getting back to her apartment, heading for her bedroom, and sitting down on the bed – not sure whether to smile or cry. She begins a private, quiet convo with her Mom, looking to heaven, asking “I don’t know where to go from here! What do you think I should do Mom?!?” Of course, V is perched up on the roof of the building across from Cat’s, checking on her and hearing the talk she is having with Vanessa. Then they spend the rest of the episode with V trying to woo Cat with some loving gestures ( OK, you guys come up with your own ideas here). Then at the end of E16, V shows up on her fire escape, she lets him in. He says he is there to check on her and see how she is doing. Small talk ensues. Then he asks her – point blank – V: “ Do you believe me Catherine?” C: “ About?” V: “ I love you more now than ever before. Because it’s true, you know. You are a part of me. I couldn’t separate myself from you, even if I tried. You aren’t just in my heart, you’re in my soul . . .” Then Cat interrupts V this time, reaching up to kiss him. Then you guys can go ahead and make up your own ending here _____________________________________________! (end E16) OK, now it’s your turn. Feedback . . . don’t hold back! Good or bad, either way, I’d like to hear it. And no, I will NEVER be a writer. But sometimes things get stuck in replay in my head and I need to get them out. This is one of those things . . . VinCat❤Destined, Savana_ Dying for season3!, kiki09, chilly20, jemangela, texasscotian, crazyforbatb_has season 3, ForgetMeNot => S3 4BATBeasties, anapi -season3baby :), italianbeastie, @socmom OMG OMG… i don't have great imagination. i need this to be acted out on screen pleeeeassseee (but of course you have to rewrite the entire few scenes before too since Tori's not around n Gabe out of the pic…) I would love to see what KK and JR would do with this too!!!! No matter if the real scene bothers me because of "issues", they are still so electric on screen, that it should be illegal (or not, then we couldn't watch such scenes!).
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Post by kiki09 on Mar 7, 2014 9:31:51 GMT -5
Thanks, but it isn't funny like our imaginary boathouse / fab 4 scene from a while back. That was just classic! Compared to that, this one will be boring! Yes that one was fun but this one will still be enjoyable
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Post by kiki09 on Mar 7, 2014 9:36:15 GMT -5
OMG OMG… i don't have great imagination. i need this to be acted out on screen pleeeeassseee (but of course you have to rewrite the entire few scenes before too since Tori's not around n Gabe out of the pic…) I would love to see what KK and JR would do with this too!!!! No matter if the real scene bothers me because of "issues", they are still so electric on screen, that it should be illegal (or not, then we couldn't watch such scenes!). That was fantastic!! JR and KK would deliver this scene and then some! I can picture it in my mind!
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Post by jemangela on Mar 7, 2014 10:13:47 GMT -5
ROTFLMAO!! Look at his HAND! ENOUGH SAID! Firmly placed....I might add....do I see a happy smile on that handsome face? I think this is when Catherine said "Oh God!!" after asking Vincent which way he was turning......
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Post by Bill the beast on Mar 7, 2014 12:19:52 GMT -5
Interesting write up DeadLikeWindsorJulz. However, I would have kept the ending the way it was and included a bit more of the bedroom activities. As for the love declarations, I would have kept them for the next morning, when they woke up and had to discuss what had happened the previous night. I would have had them discuss Tori, Gabe, the mistakes they made and finally their love for each other. I would have had them also declare a commitment to working together. Works for me.
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Post by Nelly on Mar 7, 2014 14:42:41 GMT -5
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Post by Bill the beast on Mar 7, 2014 15:34:34 GMT -5
I'm glad to have entertained but I really wasn't trying to be funny. Here's what I'd tell Cat if I were Vin. "You're sleeping with some slimy lawyer who you're not in love with, you come over here last night and we have a terrific time, and then you call me the next morning and tell me it was a MISTAKE? I love you, but don't call me or come see me again until you get your head figured out!" This works for me too. Who knows? This might do it - but I doubt it. I refuse to say I wish Catherine was some other character than what we see on the screen. I love her just as she is but she has serious problems and they've been brought to a crisis. So, I suddenly realized I love the ending of 2.15 just as it is, especially the so-called "cheating". I love the cheating; it makes perfect sense for the "real" Catherine. (Could she have chosen a better path? Of course, that's the point. She should never have said "I'm with you" to Gabe. That's a lie.) The writers have turned up the heat on her conflict and it must be about to boil over. I'm not sure any of us are going to like the result. I could imagine a future that parallels the final scene of S1, with Vincent reaching out and it is she that is pulled away from all her relationships (in some sense). I don't blame Gabe for his stance through all this. He can tell that Catherine is conflicted and it makes perfect sense to say "Then I need you to tell Vincent that". (I do think it was slimy to bear down on Vincent's decency and concern for Catherine's long-term well being. It was especially unforgivable to say "Stop thinking about yourself for once and think about Catherine, about what's best for her".) If Gabe is basically a decent guy and if he senses that Cat cannot tell Vincent that and mean it, then he'll back away and say I don't want to be part of this. But I think the whole season has been building up to Catherine-overload. It won't be plausible to me if she wakes up and says "Oh, right. I love Vincent. I forgot." She has dug a deeper hole than that. I'm not sure how she is "going to get her head figured out".
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Post by Windflwr on Mar 7, 2014 18:49:26 GMT -5
On page 38 of this thread, I made a post saying how I had an alternate ending to 215 running in my head. Well, I got several replies, so here it is. Please remember, I am not a writer or a person who is even mildly creative. Don't expect a ep 114 type of scene! SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN READING THIS : First of all, in the perfect, imaginary season in my head, Tori never existed and Gabe is always kept waiting in the wings. Windsor did exist, though, so imagine the events of S2 happening up to E6, without the whole Tori character. Then E7 happened, but in my mind, Reynolds caused V to beast out and think he needed to break things off with Cat. E8 – E10 occurred with all the same events, except that Tori wasn’t there. V just went more beast on his own as Reynolds predicted (“ they only get worse”) and declared himself alive in E9 alone. E11 never had Tori in the precinct ( since she will not exist in my mind ever again ), but the bad guys were still after the gem, so the hostage situation still turned out the same. I have not seen any of the other episodes (12 through 15), so can’t comment on those. I did, however, watch the final scene of E15, found here. That is what got my own brain to start developing its own ideas of how it could have ended differently. (Sorry, I’m one of those who hate to see characters cheating. Just a bugaboo with me . . . ) Everything in the last scene starts out the same in my head, up until the first kiss and then when Cat pulls away. All of that is the same. The difference starts after . . . Cat pulls away from his kiss and stares up into his eyes. But V follows, taking a step toward her, holding her face in his hands, and resting his forehead on hers. They both close their eyes at the contact.
V: (eyes still closed) “ Catherine, I love you so much.” (in that husky whisper of his) C: (barely audible, lips trembling) “ Vincent . . . “ (but is interrupted) V: (opens his eyes to stare into hers) “ There is just one problem though.” C: (lifts her head to look him in the eye, puzzled expression on her face) “ What is that?” V: (gives her one of those looks – you know the one – like he could DEVOUR her!) “ I’m afraid I love you more now than I ever have.” (Shakes his head) “ EVER.” Cat gasps, then immediately clamps her hands over her mouth to prevent the sob from escaping her. A single tear falls down one cheek. She backs away from V slowly at first, then turns on a dime and races out the boat house door. As he hears her heartbeat fading into the distance . . .
V: (whispers, as we catch a glimpse of a tear escaping his eye as well) “ CATHERINE . . .” OK, more of a rip your heart out, sad sort of ending, but there would be a point to it ending that way. The next ep in my fake season would obviously NOT be called “About Last Night . . .” The next ep would open with Cat getting back to her apartment, heading for her bedroom, and sitting down on the bed – not sure whether to smile or cry. She begins a private, quiet convo with her Mom, looking to heaven, asking “I don’t know where to go from here! What do you think I should do Mom?!?” Of course, V is perched up on the roof of the building across from Cat’s, checking on her and hearing the talk she is having with Vanessa. Then they spend the rest of the episode with V trying to woo Cat with some loving gestures ( OK, you guys come up with your own ideas here). Then at the end of E16, V shows up on her fire escape, she lets him in. He says he is there to check on her and see how she is doing. Small talk ensues. Then he asks her – point blank – V: “ Do you believe me Catherine?” C: “ About?” V: “ I love you more now than ever before. Because it’s true, you know. You are a part of me. I couldn’t separate myself from you, even if I tried. You aren’t just in my heart, you’re in my soul . . .” Then Cat interrupts V this time, reaching up to kiss him. Then you guys can go ahead and make up your own ending here _____________________________________________! (end E16) OK, now it’s your turn. Feedback . . . don’t hold back! Good or bad, either way, I’d like to hear it. And no, I will NEVER be a writer. But sometimes things get stuck in replay in my head and I need to get them out. This is one of those things . . . VinCat❤Destined, Savana_ Dying for season3!, kiki09, chilly20, jemangela, texasscotian, crazyforbatb_has season 3, ForgetMeNot => S3 4BATBeasties, anapi -season3baby :), italianbeastie, @socmom Look at you! Being all writer-ish and all. YESSS.... BATB has inspired us all in so many ways. This was very well done and I loved it. (But you knew I would because we think alike!) Yeah, I've already said how I think they could have done things better. You nailed it. I'm just going to applaud you and say BRAVO!
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Mar 7, 2014 22:35:53 GMT -5
Look at you! Being all writer-ish and all. YESSS.... BATB has inspired us all in so many ways. This was very well done and I loved it. (But you knew I would because we think alike!) Yeah, I've already said how I think they could have done things better. You nailed it. I'm just going to applaud you and say BRAVO! You are way too nice! But that is just who you are. When you think about things, beautiful stories come out! It was weird - just kept having this idea replay itself over and over again in my head after seeing the ending clip of 215 on this board. Had to write it down. It really is sad - KK and JR together on-screen is chemistry gold. And this whole season has been purposely avoiding using that. THAT should be illegal - not using your most important asset in this show (their chemistry). Makes a person wonder what COULD have been . . .
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Post by ArwenFan on Mar 8, 2014 0:23:35 GMT -5
I was wondering how I ended up in the spoiler thread. I don't do spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by momma "Beastie" to 6 on Mar 8, 2014 0:33:44 GMT -5
These two. Why in the world would anyone want to ignore this kind of chemistry for a third or more of the season? It hurts me to think about the ridiculousness that went on with that creative team when they planned the season. Having them apart wasn't even interesting. I just keep thinking WTF in my head over and over and over again. Anyway, laughing, fighting, breaking up, banging, slipping each other the tongue... WHATEVER they are doing on the show, they sure as sheila should be doing it TOGETHER. Jesus. 1000%
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Post by sunshine978 on Mar 8, 2014 1:30:37 GMT -5
Sorry if someone posted this already. Lilith's Review of "Catch Me If You Can" www.spoilertv.com/2014/03/beauty-and-beast-215-catch-me-if-you_4.html"....... If their core relationship issues don’t get fixed we are destined to have another contrived split if we are lucky enough to get a season 3. This coming together while inevitable is also a cheap shortcut and very inorganic in my eyes. What I wanted when VinCat got back together was too very strong people in their own right who wanted to come together to and start a new relationship on the up and up. That’s just my two cent, though. "I said this before............ I didn't feel like this "reunion" gave any indication that these two were back on any solid ground. This is what I wanted the most. After all these months of waiting......all the pain and heartache, I wanted them to reunite stronger than ever. Isn't that what the Producer's and Cast promised? I wanted a solid foundation at this point to start from. If they thought that they put VinCat together too quickly in Season 1, putting VinCat together in Season 2, without any affirmation between them, was too quick. It causes even more problems. The writers didn't handle the previous issues how are they going to handle more? We will see........ I agreed with almost everything Lilith said...........except she didn't care for the Car Crash Scene!! That was one of my favorites of the entire series!! Suzieq, I wasn't going to comment because I no longer watch the show for obvious reasons but I still read the message boards for updates on each episodes and, by the way, it is still heart-breaking for me to read what's going on. So I'm glad I'm not actually watching the episodes. Your posts, however, moved me so I wanted to comment.....
I, too, share your utter disappointment and disillusionment and I agree with the parts I highlighted in pink . The reason why the writers keep disappointing fans is because THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO PORTRAY AN EPIC LOVE. That's it - plain and simple. They might have their plans to have both Vincent and Catherine on a self-discovery journey, to be stronger than before etc....but have you all seen this come to fruition? No. Because they don't know how to convey it. Suzieq, they're not going to 'get it right' I'm afraid. I strongly believe that. They THINK they know how to, but that's obviously not the case from what has been shown in the episodes.
Since the start of SEason2 have you felt (I mean really felt) the love between VinCat? I know that Vincent didn't remember Cat in the first part of the season, but many, including me, didn't see or even feel a connection between them. So now that they are on their way back to each other, there are still many, many issues.
From all the poor decisions made this season and the problems with the writing, it seems to me that the show runner and the writers are all novices but Brad Kern is a veteran in the industry! So I'm quite surprised by the amateurish writing.
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Mar 8, 2014 2:08:04 GMT -5
ROTFLMAO!! Look at his HAND! ENOUGH SAID! That's how things should look on our screens!! Instead of that dark mess we got!!!
People on Twitter have told Stu Gillard & he's looking into the problem! Said 216 looks really good & to let him know if there's a problem!
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Mar 8, 2014 5:05:00 GMT -5
I have just watched "Forever Beasties" Review of 215 & found it well worth watching! As usual, I found them funny & I'm in almost total agreement with what they say!
I am so happy that they have touched on the "Catherine cheating on Gabe" topic. They agree with my belief that the only person that Catherine is cheating on is herself! Also that Catherine saved Xavier by putting her hand on Vincent's shoulder, that she is a Beast Saviour not Beast Killer.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUnLHV8OlIw&list=UUsM2_SVEAD4z2bwcMzs6YeA
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Post by ArwenFan on Mar 8, 2014 11:20:10 GMT -5
I have just watched "Forever Beasties" Review of 215 & found it well worth watching! As usual, I found them funny & I'm in almost total agreement with what they say!
I am so happy that they have touched on the "Catherine cheating on Gabe" topic. They agree with my belief that the only person that Catherine is cheating on is herself! Also that Catherine saved Xavier by putting her hand on Vincent's shoulder, that she is a Beast Saviour not Beast Killer.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUnLHV8OlIw&list=UUsM2_SVEAD4z2bwcMzs6YeA They waste too much time talking about crap I don't care about. An hour review?! For crying out loud. Just tell me what you thought about the episode and why.
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