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Post by feezya on Mar 7, 2014 6:25:08 GMT -5
Paige is the least person i like but i really love her saying about relationship, that you can't expect that someone to change for you, but u change yourself for that person. It's less about someone changing you but more about u wanting to change to be a better person for that someone We can see which is Gabe n which is Vincent….
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Mar 7, 2014 6:40:31 GMT -5
Paige is the least person i like but i really love her saying about relationship, that you can't expect that someone to change for you, but u change yourself for that person. It's less about someone changing you but more about u wanting to change to be a better person for that someone We can see which is Gabe n which is Vincent…. Yes, I totally agree with that POV. It's VERY different wanting to change someone (Gabe towards Catherine ) than changing and adapting willingly for the sake of a relationship (Vincent towards Catherine )
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Post by feezya on Mar 7, 2014 6:45:42 GMT -5
this is the first time i see this scene THIS clear. is his face actually between her legs??? Edit: it's ok. i found the answers already, in the posts after this I must really thank VinCat❤Destined for taking the time to do this. Now the scene seems so much fun than just listening to their voices
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Post by feezya on Mar 7, 2014 7:00:23 GMT -5
You know what I miss from Season-One? Cat was actually working on cases as an NYPD detective and Vincent was doing all he could to help her, behind the scenes. I also deeply miss the Catherine who was so introspective, mulling over the case (often in voice-over) and at the same time coming to some realization about her own feelings. For example, this is from her Dad's wedding reception, she has just told Vincent that Evan's research shows his DNA is mutating and so Vincent bolted. Cat gets up to give the wedding toast (her acting in this scene is just stunning): "The funny thing is Brooke and my Dad shouldn't even be together. No, it is true. For starters they are complete opposites - and not to mention she is a Mets fan, so ... I don't know how we're going to deal with that. And then there's the age difference and for a lot of people that would have held them back, especially after everything we've been through." "Not that being with Brooke is a risk; its not. She's ... she is amazing. But its just that being in any relationship ... its a risk. Its accepting that there are no guarantees. I mean, who knows what the future brings - and going for it, anyway. Even if she is a Vegan and he eats cheeseburgers." "So, to my Dad and Brooke ... for jumping in ... you guys are an inspiration. Especially to me." After this Catherine bolts for the car to find Vincent and, possibly, tell all that to him. But many other events ensue ... I wish Heather would show up again and quote this back to her big sister. That's what I wish. i couldn't agree more. many don't like the procedural stuff but i liked it coz it's often connected with VinCat relationship. And of course the obvious fact that they were a team
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Post by feezya on Mar 7, 2014 7:24:27 GMT -5
Can someone make a gif of the kiss? A light one if possible. Thanks :-) I found this video with more light I swear no matter how many times i watch it, no matter if Cats cheating or not, that scene just melt me inside
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 7:52:15 GMT -5
ROTFLMAO!! Look at his HAND! ENOUGH SAID! Firmly placed....I might add....do I see a happy smile on that handsome face?
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Post by feezya on Mar 7, 2014 8:11:52 GMT -5
On page 38 of this thread, I made a post saying how I had an alternate ending to 215 running in my head. Well, I got several replies, so here it is. Please remember, I am not a writer or a person who is even mildly creative. Don't expect a ep 114 type of scene! SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN READING THIS : First of all, in the perfect, imaginary season in my head, Tori never existed and Gabe is always kept waiting in the wings. Windsor did exist, though, so imagine the events of S2 happening up to E6, without the whole Tori character. Then E7 happened, but in my mind, Reynolds caused V to beast out and think he needed to break things off with Cat. E8 – E10 occurred with all the same events, except that Tori wasn’t there. V just went more beast on his own as Reynolds predicted (“ they only get worse”) and declared himself alive in E9 alone. E11 never had Tori in the precinct ( since she will not exist in my mind ever again ), but the bad guys were still after the gem, so the hostage situation still turned out the same. I have not seen any of the other episodes (12 through 15), so can’t comment on those. I did, however, watch the final scene of E15, found here. That is what got my own brain to start developing its own ideas of how it could have ended differently. (Sorry, I’m one of those who hate to see characters cheating. Just a bugaboo with me . . . ) Everything in the last scene starts out the same in my head, up until the first kiss and then when Cat pulls away. All of that is the same. The difference starts after . . . Cat pulls away from his kiss and stares up into his eyes. But V follows, taking a step toward her, holding her face in his hands, and resting his forehead on hers. They both close their eyes at the contact.
V: (eyes still closed) “ Catherine, I love you so much.” (in that husky whisper of his) C: (barely audible, lips trembling) “ Vincent . . . “ (but is interrupted) V: (opens his eyes to stare into hers) “ There is just one problem though.” C: (lifts her head to look him in the eye, puzzled expression on her face) “ What is that?” V: (gives her one of those looks – you know the one – like he could DEVOUR her!) “ I’m afraid I love you more now than I ever have.” (Shakes his head) “ EVER.” Cat gasps, then immediately clamps her hands over her mouth to prevent the sob from escaping her. A single tear falls down one cheek. She backs away from V slowly at first, then turns on a dime and races out the boat house door. As he hears her heartbeat fading into the distance . . .
V: (whispers, as we catch a glimpse of a tear escaping his eye as well) “ CATHERINE . . .” OK, more of a rip your heart out, sad sort of ending, but there would be a point to it ending that way. The next ep in my fake season would obviously NOT be called “About Last Night . . .” The next ep would open with Cat getting back to her apartment, heading for her bedroom, and sitting down on the bed – not sure whether to smile or cry. She begins a private, quiet convo with her Mom, looking to heaven, asking “I don’t know where to go from here! What do you think I should do Mom?!?” Of course, V is perched up on the roof of the building across from Cat’s, checking on her and hearing the talk she is having with Vanessa. Then they spend the rest of the episode with V trying to woo Cat with some loving gestures ( OK, you guys come up with your own ideas here). Then at the end of E16, V shows up on her fire escape, she lets him in. He says he is there to check on her and see how she is doing. Small talk ensues. Then he asks her – point blank – V: “ Do you believe me Catherine?” C: “ About?” V: “ I love you more now than ever before. Because it’s true, you know. You are a part of me. I couldn’t separate myself from you, even if I tried. You aren’t just in my heart, you’re in my soul . . .” Then Cat interrupts V this time, reaching up to kiss him. Then you guys can go ahead and make up your own ending here _____________________________________________! (end E16) OK, now it’s your turn. Feedback . . . don’t hold back! Good or bad, either way, I’d like to hear it. And no, I will NEVER be a writer. But sometimes things get stuck in replay in my head and I need to get them out. This is one of those things . . . VinCat❤Destined, Savana_ Dying for season3!, kiki09, chilly20, jemangela, texasscotian, crazyforbatb_has season 3, ForgetMeNot => S3 4BATBeasties, anapi -season3baby :), italianbeastie, @socmom OMG OMG… i don't have great imagination. i need this to be acted out on screen pleeeeassseee (but of course you have to rewrite the entire few scenes before too since Tori's not around n Gabe out of the pic…)
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Mar 7, 2014 8:18:09 GMT -5
Everything in the last scene starts out the same in my head, up until the first kiss and then when Cat pulls away. All of that is the same. The difference starts after . . . Thanks for providing your alternate ending; I enjoyed it. I like your ending much better than the ending I think the writers are going to give us next week. I just don't think the same writers who gave us S2 are going to let Cat simply wake up from her denial. Also, I'm not sure what you have solved from your point of view. (From my point of view Gabe could be the last to know; I'm fine with it) So the difference of this kind of ending is: 1. They do kiss but more is said, 2. Vincent says he loves her more than ever, then 3. There is no cheating because Cat leaves. (Wait ... what?) Then next episode 4. Cat is sitting on her own bed, while 5. Vincent is wooing her like Valentine's day? (I'm liking it ...) 6. Vincent again professes she is in his soul, then 7. Since they are in her bedroom, the cheating can begin (not that I have any problem with that). My problem is this: some people would have wanted Cat to leave the houseboat (after that passionate kiss), go to Gabe's and break up with him then, hopefully, to show up at Vincent's again in the middle of the night. That's just not going to happen. Catherine has been passion-free since S1 (although, at the beginning of S2 Vincent might have spent the night before Cat realized her Vincent was gone - hopefully, there was some passion there). This episode Cat has seen that the old Vincent is back and the attraction is powerful in every scene, even when they were bickering at each other. So they ended up in bed. As kelly said "Life is messy." And as I would say: Cat is way more messed up than that. At least, having spent the night with Vincent, Cat now has a chance of being shocked to her senses. Because we all know what she is going to say in the morning: BUT I'M WITH GABE. And Vincent is going to ask what did she feel last night? And Cat is probably going to say: BUT I'M ... you know the rest. I should have clarified, I hated the idea of "cheating", but in my imaginary BATB world there is no possibility of that either way - since I refuse to have Tori in it and Gabe is just sideline material. The only thing I solved was to create it the way I would like to see it. That is all. Cat didn't leave to avoid cheating. She left because she's still afraid to trust him. I apologize, that was not clear! Thanks for the feedback. I cannot always see every conflict things might present.
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Mar 7, 2014 8:22:43 GMT -5
Good morning DeadLikeWindsorJulz and thanks for your alternative ending! wow! was surprised to know you haven't watch last few episodes! Well, your scenario is VEEEERY nice, I like it a lot and I would have felt satisfied if it happened that way (with Catherine leaving before ending in bed). Still, I can't say I don't like the actual ending cause I did like it. Of course I would have preferred that Cat breaks up with Gabe first but I, as I said in my post, I'm unable to see what happened as cheating and I still believe that the REAL VinCat reunion hasn't happened yet. I like very much what Vincent tells her in your alternative ending! I love you more than ever! swooooon!!! wonderful! But I also NEED that Catherine gives some explanations or apologies or declaration of her true love cause, lady, she's a mess right now and is screwing things more than necessary!!! As anapi -season3baby :) said, your scenario had reminiscents of s1 (Valentines's, wooing... awww) and I love it!!! oh! btw, while reading your post I truly felt like I was watching the show so very well done!!! And thank you very much for sharing!!! Yeah, haven't seen eps 12 - 15. Couldn't watch as they crossed the same line twice for me (I drew my line in the sand at the leads sleeping with others - just killed the heart of the show for me). More explanations can be found in my reply to Bill the beast. Thanks for the feedback! EDIT: Oh, yeah. Forgot to mention - I had V do all the chasing in my imaginary scenario, mainly because, well - that is just what I wanted. Hee hee hee!
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Post by ForgetMeNot => S3 4BATBeasties on Mar 7, 2014 8:35:27 GMT -5
... she's the key to his humanity, just as Vincent will be the one who will bring her back because he is her soulmate. Nicely put. Here's another puzzle, this from KK herself “What I love about our show is that Catherine and Vincent are two people who are quite broken, and that through love and through caring about each other, they heal,” she says. “Each of them sees aspects in the other that they may not like or that they consider to be beastly about themselves, and that’s what Catherine loves about Vincent and what Vincent loves about Catherine." This ties into what you were saying. What do you think KK meant? I love what she said a lot.
Unfortunately, circumstances leaded them to do regretteful things to one another that no one of them would have expected... but they never stop loving eachother.
If one can forget the past and accept the other as a whole of qualities and flaws, loves the other for who she/he really is, which I beleive they will, they will find the meaning of true love. Not that their love wasn't real but it will bring it to another level.
I hope I answered your question.
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Mar 7, 2014 8:38:26 GMT -5
On page 38 of this thread, I made a post saying how I had an alternate ending to 215 running in my head. Well, I got several replies, so here it is. Please remember, I am not a writer or a person who is even mildly creative. Don't expect a ep 114 type of scene! SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN READING THIS : First of all, in the perfect, imaginary season in my head, Tori never existed and Gabe is always kept waiting in the wings. Windsor did exist, though, so imagine the events of S2 happening up to E6, without the whole Tori character. Then E7 happened, but in my mind, Reynolds caused V to beast out and think he needed to break things off with Cat. E8 – E10 occurred with all the same events, except that Tori wasn’t there. V just went more beast on his own as Reynolds predicted (“ they only get worse”) and declared himself alive in E9 alone. E11 never had Tori in the precinct ( since she will not exist in my mind ever again ), but the bad guys were still after the gem, so the hostage situation still turned out the same. I have not seen any of the other episodes (12 through 15), so can’t comment on those. I did, however, watch the final scene of E15, found here. That is what got my own brain to start developing its own ideas of how it could have ended differently. (Sorry, I’m one of those who hate to see characters cheating. Just a bugaboo with me . . . ) Everything in the last scene starts out the same in my head, up until the first kiss and then when Cat pulls away. All of that is the same. The difference starts after . . . Cat pulls away from his kiss and stares up into his eyes. But V follows, taking a step toward her, holding her face in his hands, and resting his forehead on hers. They both close their eyes at the contact.
V: (eyes still closed) “ Catherine, I love you so much.” (in that husky whisper of his) C: (barely audible, lips trembling) “ Vincent . . . “ (but is interrupted) V: (opens his eyes to stare into hers) “ There is just one problem though.” C: (lifts her head to look him in the eye, puzzled expression on her face) “ What is that?” V: (gives her one of those looks – you know the one – like he could DEVOUR her!) “ I’m afraid I love you more now than I ever have.” (Shakes his head) “ EVER.” Cat gasps, then immediately clamps her hands over her mouth to prevent the sob from escaping her. A single tear falls down one cheek. She backs away from V slowly at first, then turns on a dime and races out the boat house door. As he hears her heartbeat fading into the distance . . .
V: (whispers, as we catch a glimpse of a tear escaping his eye as well) “ CATHERINE . . .” OK, more of a rip your heart out, sad sort of ending, but there would be a point to it ending that way. The next ep in my fake season would obviously NOT be called “About Last Night . . .” The next ep would open with Cat getting back to her apartment, heading for her bedroom, and sitting down on the bed – not sure whether to smile or cry. She begins a private, quiet convo with her Mom, looking to heaven, asking “I don’t know where to go from here! What do you think I should do Mom?!?” Of course, V is perched up on the roof of the building across from Cat’s, checking on her and hearing the talk she is having with Vanessa. Then they spend the rest of the episode with V trying to woo Cat with some loving gestures ( OK, you guys come up with your own ideas here). Then at the end of E16, V shows up on her fire escape, she lets him in. He says he is there to check on her and see how she is doing. Small talk ensues. Then he asks her – point blank – V: “ Do you believe me Catherine?” C: “ About?” V: “ I love you more now than ever before. Because it’s true, you know. You are a part of me. I couldn’t separate myself from you, even if I tried. You aren’t just in my heart, you’re in my soul . . .” Then Cat interrupts V this time, reaching up to kiss him. Then you guys can go ahead and make up your own ending here _____________________________________________! (end E16) OK, now it’s your turn. Feedback . . . don’t hold back! Good or bad, either way, I’d like to hear it. And no, I will NEVER be a writer. But sometimes things get stuck in replay in my head and I need to get them out. This is one of those things . . . VinCat❤Destined, Savana_ Dying for season3!, kiki09, chilly20, jemangela, texasscotian, crazyforbatb_has season 3, ForgetMeNot => S3 4BATBeasties, anapi -season3baby :), italianbeastie, @socmom Thanks for this Julz! Oh yes that is how I would have liked for things to go down..Minus GabeRine and ToriCent..I really was impressed with your writing. Have you ever done fanfic? If not you should try doing so, cause it's good As fot the A/U that went well....I really loved this sentence.. V: “ I love you more now than ever before. Because it’s true, you know. You are a part of me. I couldn’t separate myself from you, even if I tried. You aren’t just in my heart, you’re in my soul . . .” God I hope the writers (who is a woman for About Last Night) gives us something satisfying like this! Thanks for sharing! Thank you for replying! No, no, no - I can't write very well. I mastered the 5 paragraph theme in High School Literature class, but that is not fiction writing at all! My tendancy to lean toward the "logical" side of life really prevents me from being very creative. The whole coming up with plot lines and unique events in a story thing is WAY OVER MY HEAD! I'll leave that to the true authors Windflwr, andadog, oa, sheeperz, and ashawrites. But I truly appreciate your kind words! Good luck getting the ending you want to E16 - I'm too afraid to watch . . .
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Post by ForgetMeNot => S3 4BATBeasties on Mar 7, 2014 8:47:07 GMT -5
On page 38 of this thread, I made a post saying how I had an alternate ending to 215 running in my head. Well, I got several replies, so here it is. Please remember, I am not a writer or a person who is even mildly creative. Don't expect a ep 114 type of scene! SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN READING THIS : First of all, in the perfect, imaginary season in my head, Tori never existed and Gabe is always kept waiting in the wings. Windsor did exist, though, so imagine the events of S2 happening up to E6, without the whole Tori character. Then E7 happened, but in my mind, Reynolds caused V to beast out and think he needed to break things off with Cat. E8 – E10 occurred with all the same events, except that Tori wasn’t there. V just went more beast on his own as Reynolds predicted (“ they only get worse”) and declared himself alive in E9 alone. E11 never had Tori in the precinct ( since she will not exist in my mind ever again ), but the bad guys were still after the gem, so the hostage situation still turned out the same. I have not seen any of the other episodes (12 through 15), so can’t comment on those. I did, however, watch the final scene of E15, found here. That is what got my own brain to start developing its own ideas of how it could have ended differently. (Sorry, I’m one of those who hate to see characters cheating. Just a bugaboo with me . . . ) Everything in the last scene starts out the same in my head, up until the first kiss and then when Cat pulls away. All of that is the same. The difference starts after . . . Cat pulls away from his kiss and stares up into his eyes. But V follows, taking a step toward her, holding her face in his hands, and resting his forehead on hers. They both close their eyes at the contact.
V: (eyes still closed) “ Catherine, I love you so much.” (in that husky whisper of his) C: (barely audible, lips trembling) “ Vincent . . . “ (but is interrupted) V: (opens his eyes to stare into hers) “ There is just one problem though.” C: (lifts her head to look him in the eye, puzzled expression on her face) “ What is that?” V: (gives her one of those looks – you know the one – like he could DEVOUR her!) “ I’m afraid I love you more now than I ever have.” (Shakes his head) “ EVER.” Cat gasps, then immediately clamps her hands over her mouth to prevent the sob from escaping her. A single tear falls down one cheek. She backs away from V slowly at first, then turns on a dime and races out the boat house door. As he hears her heartbeat fading into the distance . . .
V: (whispers, as we catch a glimpse of a tear escaping his eye as well) “ CATHERINE . . .” OK, more of a rip your heart out, sad sort of ending, but there would be a point to it ending that way. The next ep in my fake season would obviously NOT be called “About Last Night . . .” The next ep would open with Cat getting back to her apartment, heading for her bedroom, and sitting down on the bed – not sure whether to smile or cry. She begins a private, quiet convo with her Mom, looking to heaven, asking “I don’t know where to go from here! What do you think I should do Mom?!?” Of course, V is perched up on the roof of the building across from Cat’s, checking on her and hearing the talk she is having with Vanessa. Then they spend the rest of the episode with V trying to woo Cat with some loving gestures ( OK, you guys come up with your own ideas here). Then at the end of E16, V shows up on her fire escape, she lets him in. He says he is there to check on her and see how she is doing. Small talk ensues. Then he asks her – point blank – V: “ Do you believe me Catherine?” C: “ About?” V: “ I love you more now than ever before. Because it’s true, you know. You are a part of me. I couldn’t separate myself from you, even if I tried. You aren’t just in my heart, you’re in my soul . . .” Then Cat interrupts V this time, reaching up to kiss him. Then you guys can go ahead and make up your own ending here _____________________________________________! (end E16) OK, now it’s your turn. Feedback . . . don’t hold back! Good or bad, either way, I’d like to hear it. And no, I will NEVER be a writer. But sometimes things get stuck in replay in my head and I need to get them out. This is one of those things . . . VinCat❤Destined, Savana_ Dying for season3!, kiki09, chilly20, jemangela, texasscotian, crazyforbatb_has season 3, ForgetMeNot => S3 4BATBeasties, anapi -season3baby :), italianbeastie, @socmom
That's how I would have liked the episode to end in the actual story.
Thanks for sharing .
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Mar 7, 2014 8:55:51 GMT -5
Interesting write up DeadLikeWindsorJulz. However, I would have kept the ending the way it was and included a bit more of more bedroom activities. As for the love declarations, I would have kept them for the next morning, when they woke up and had to discuss what had happened the previous night. I would have had them discuss Tori, Gabe, the mistakes they made and finally their love for each other. I would have had them also declare a commitment to working together. LOL! I warned you it wasn't going to be a hot and sexy scene! **laughing** Everybody has a different preference. This is just mine. I refuse to have Tori in my own BATB world. Denial is better than reality in this case!! LOL!! And Gabe, well, he is great as a supporting character, but not as he is used now. If they really wanted to make a redeemed character out of him, they could have gone any of a number of directions with him - now he just looks like a scheming, territorial, domineering "wolf in sheep's clothing". And I was a huge fan of a redeemed Gabe! But hey, I'm all for them discussing their mistakes! In my imaginary season, the problems would just be missing the "Tori problem" and the "Gabe problem" - keeping all the others!
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Post by chilly20 on Mar 7, 2014 9:01:29 GMT -5
Interesting write up DeadLikeWindsorJulz. However, I would have kept the ending the way it was and included a bit more of more bedroom activities. As for the love declarations, I would have kept them for the next morning, when they woke up and had to discuss what had happened the previous night. I would have had them discuss Tori, Gabe, the mistakes they made and finally their love for each other. I would have had them also declare a commitment to working together. LOL! I warned you it wasn't going to be a hot and sexy scene! **laughing** Everybody has a different preference. This is just mine. I refuse to have Tori in my own BATB world. Denial is better than reality in this case!! LOL!! And Gabe, well, he is great as a supporting character, but not as he is used now. If they really wanted to make a redeemed character out of him, they could have gone any of a number of directions with him - now he just looks like a scheming, territorial, domineering "wolf in sheep's clothing". And I was a huge fan of a redeemed Gabe! But hey, I'm all for them discussing their mistakes! In my imaginary season, the problems would just be missing the "Tori problem" and the "Gabe problem" - keeping all the others! Of course, totally acceptable.
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Mar 7, 2014 9:02:52 GMT -5
I have an alternate ending to this ep running in my head. Would anyone like to hear it? **FAIR WARNING** It isn't a hot & sexy ending. It is one for hopeless romantic saps like myself. Anyone still interested? I'll check back here late tonight (it is 2pm here) to see if anyone does. If I get a few requests, I'll post it like a script for you to read. However, I have a request of my own. If I post it, I would like your feedback about it! Thanks. DeadLikeWindsorJulz, I am always interested in your stuff. Can't wait! Thanks, but it isn't funny like our imaginary boathouse / fab 4 scene from a while back. That was just classic! Compared to that, this one will be boring!
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