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Post by Jubilant Judi on Mar 2, 2014 17:32:32 GMT -5
Yeah, well one could argue that he singlehandedly sunk BATB in one season or less. You know the saddest thing of all? I barely remember anything about Season 2 other than all the things I hated. All the mythology and baddies - everything that is supposed to be the bigger story arc fades to the background. I just don't care enough to pay attention to it, because my blood is boiling from all the things I HATE that are happening in the forefront with the main characters. I don't really remember names of episodes, details, anything besides the moments that book-end my never ending disdain. I wish I had the forethought to quit while I was ahead when everything went down the crapper in the turkey trauma. Because I'm like a broken record repeating the same moments of absolute horror over and over again... I literally can't think of anything else to talk about. I mean, why does anything else matter? The show is called Beauty and the Beast, and they gave us the CW teen melodrama of the week complete with sleeping around and cringeworthy sex-triangles. I mean, I really can't look past the white noise that dominates the landscape of Season 2. If there are important story arcs and mythology, I probably forgot to pay attention because I was so tortured by the sounds of horror that are the thoughts in my head going round and round about everything I have been seeing... And God forbid someone should force me to rewatch... I get hives just thinking about it. This really isn't a healthy relationship anymore for me... it's all pain and turmoil, with absolutely no pleasure or enjoyment. I understand, I had to force myself away from the boards and pick up the threads of my life
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Mar 2, 2014 17:42:34 GMT -5
Yeah, well one could argue that he singlehandedly sunk BATB in one season or less. You know the saddest thing of all? I barely remember anything about Season 2 other than all the things I hated. All the mythology and baddies - everything that is supposed to be the bigger story arc fades to the background. I just don't care enough to pay attention to it, because my blood is boiling from all the things I HATE that are happening in the forefront with the main characters. I don't really remember names of episodes, details, anything besides the moments that book-end my never ending disdain. I wish I had the forethought to quit while I was ahead when everything went down the crapper in the turkey trauma. Because I'm like a broken record repeating the same moments of absolute horror over and over again... I literally can't think of anything else to talk about. I mean, why does anything else matter? The show is called Beauty and the Beast, and they gave us the CW teen melodrama of the week complete with sleeping around and cringeworthy sex-triangles. I mean, I really can't look past the white noise that dominates the landscape of Season 2. If there are important story arcs and mythology, I probably forgot to pay attention because I was so tortured by the sounds of horror that are the thoughts in my head going round and round about everything I have been seeing... And God forbid someone should force me to rewatch... I get hives just thinking about it. This really isn't a healthy relationship anymore for me... it's all pain and turmoil, with absolutely no pleasure or enjoyment. I understand, I had to force myself away from the boards and pick up the threads of my life I think this is the only thread where I don't feel completely alone with my disdain. In other threads everyone is all about the happy speculations - and I keep thinking "what part of time is running out and Gabe and Catherine are still sliming up our screen don't you understand?" I mean never mind all the crap that we have had to swallow, they WASTED THE ENTIRE SEASON on this BS!!!! It makes me so angry I can't even think about anything else. Anyway, I think I'm a lost cause. I don't know why I keep watching. I have become the negative fan that I hate, but I can't seem to stop myself. Ah well, at least soon it will be over... it will be interesting to see what people say when they realize the last ship has sailed and it really is over... will they be so satisfied? Will the end be worth the price everyone paid to get there? I know that I cannot possibly get back to loving the show the way I once did -there will never be an "Ah-ha" moment for me when all of S2 suddenly makes sense and I want to go back and watch the horrors again... It has all been a gigantic waste in my view. I guess I just stayed to see the reunion - disappointing as it may ultimately be.
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Post by Jubilant Judi on Mar 2, 2014 18:12:55 GMT -5
I understand, I had to force myself away from the boards and pick up the threads of my life I think this is the only thread where I don't feel completely alone with my disdain. In other threads everyone is all about the happy speculations - and I keep thinking "what part of time is running out and Gabe and Catherine are still sliming up our screen don't you understand?" I mean never mind all the crap that we have had to swallow, they WASTED THE ENTIRE SEASON on this BS!!!! It makes me so angry I can't even think about anything else. Anyway, I think I'm a lost cause. I don't know why I keep watching. I have become the negative fan that I hate, but I can't seem to stop myself. Ah well, at least soon it will be over... it will be interesting to see what people say when they realize the last ship has sailed and it really is over... will they be so satisfied? Will the end be worth the price everyone paid to get there? I know that I cannot possibly get back to loving the show the way I once did -there will never be an "Ah-ha" moment for me when all of S2 suddenly makes sense and I want to go back and watch the horrors again... It has all been a gigantic waste in my view. I guess I just stayed to see the reunion - disappointing as it may ultimately be. I don't know where you live, but the unending winter has made everyone around me angry and fed up - the Vincent thing was very difficult for me - just glad the Tori arc is over - Catherine will get her slap upside the head and eventually choose Vincent - it might be painful for a while longer - but with the slight possibility of season three - I think they will give us a satisfying ending - they do want to sell this internationally - beasties are everywhere
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Post by Windflwr on Mar 2, 2014 20:20:42 GMT -5
SpydancerLovesVincat, I know a lot of beasties don't want to hear the negatives, but I agree with you - it is so important for me to talk (or read) about it here. I don't feel so alone. I can't tweet about it, I can't Facebook about it, but I need to talk about it. Thank you to all of you who are still here and share my frustration. I hope for the day, sometime in the future, when Jennifer and Sherie will be able to admit publicly that they were pressured into accepting Kern's or TPTB's decisions about Season 2 but that they didn't like it. I can't imagine they are personally satisfied with the changes made.
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Mar 2, 2014 22:47:38 GMT -5
I am so disgusted with this show right now.................that's all I got............I'll have more after Monday night.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 23:45:41 GMT -5
I'm struggling along with the rest of you, constantly being slapped in the face and asked to give the other cheek....well I ran out of cheeks a long time ago, and believe me, I offered all four. As I have said, I'll watch to the end, but, for me, it has lost it's magic.
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Post by MyBatB on Mar 3, 2014 6:36:54 GMT -5
SpydancerLovesVincat, I know a lot of beasties don't want to hear the negatives, but I agree with you - it is so important for me to talk (or read) about it here. I don't feel so alone. I can't tweet about it, I can't Facebook about it, but I need to talk about it. Thank you to all of you who are still here and share my frustration. I hope for the day, sometime in the future, when Jennifer and Sherie will be able to admit publicly that they were pressured into accepting Kern's or TPTB's decisions about Season 2 but that they didn't like it. I can't imagine they are personally satisfied with the changes made. You are completely entitled to tell your frustration, I am from the bright side but I accept and read all the posts ! It's very interesting to share all points of view ; and for that matter, you and others raise points which are worth the discussion, i.e the writing and certain decisions. However, it's always difficult not to be able to soothe the anger people have. But you and others're here yet, and perhaps we all could be satisfied with the future eps.... I'm sorry, but I'm an incorrigible human being with hope !
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Post by Windflwr on Mar 3, 2014 8:28:23 GMT -5
MyBatB, thank you so much for talking with me here. I'm not trying to sway anyone to my way of thinking. I just need to vent. In truth, I don't comprehend your optimism. Help me understand. Is it just hopefulness, on your part, that things will get better, or are you actually liking how S2 and the characters have been portrayed? Without giving away spoilers, are you okay with ep 215 (if you've seen it)? I'm so not, and I was truly holding out a glimmer of hope. I want a rewind, a do-over, a turning back of the clock--at least a turn-around of some type in the future. Doesn't look like I'm going to get it, sadly. I've no doubt lost readers of my fanfics because I've been vocal about my concerns, but I'm not going to stop writing or watching at this point. I'll just work out my devastation in the only way I know how - through the written word.
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Post by Windflwr on Mar 3, 2014 8:45:19 GMT -5
I'm struggling along with the rest of you, constantly being slapped in the face and asked to give the other cheek....well I ran out of cheeks a long time ago, and believe me, I offered all four. As I have said, I'll watch to the end, but, for me, it has lost it's magic. I know what you are saying. I just wish we could do something about it before it's too late (which it probably already is). I think that's why I need to talk about it here. I held out hope that if beasties were more vocal about their frustration and anger, TPTB would notice and take heed/change their minds. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened. And beastie's desire for the show to continue has overridden their need to see it get done right, I think. It's hard not to give mixed messages. If we vote for S3, we must be saying we like what's been happening in S2. I'd like a S3 just to fix what they've done in S2--that's where any real hope lies for me. Anyone know if there a Facebook group for Grumpy Beasties, lol?
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Mar 3, 2014 10:58:49 GMT -5
I am basically chomping at the bit to talk about Episode 15 here........but I guess I will have to wait.
I will say that I am beyond furious. Yes, people are flawed but there comes a time when YOU KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG! And if you don't know by the time you are 30+ years old then you are lacking in brain cells and character. You have to have respect for yourself. There is no excuse on this kind of behavior.............it is neither sexy, or desirable or swoon-worthy. It is tawdry and cheap..........I don't have my VinCat blinders on. I see with clear eyes. In my book, this behavior is unacceptable, ............no sugar coating with "people are flawed........blah, blah,blah........." People are "flawed" when then fall off the wagon with alcohol and drugs. Eventually, people have to accept which path they are going to travel, ......they make their choices and conduct themselves like adults should do. I see a world of bad behavior all day ..........and we have seen a ton of bad behavior on BaTB this season,........obviously, it is the only way to write people and if there are never any consequences from it, then it is OK to keep doing wrong.......and just say "OOpsies, we are just human and flawed.......maybe we will be better next time"!
I am disappointed...........the quality of this show is now replaced with all too boring love triangles and people thinking with their "other" brains.
I wanted the WORDS......."I Love You" before anything..........it is simple affirmation of the ESSENCE of this show. For some reason that doesn't matter......all that matters is that they hit the sheets and that people are so starved for it they are just satisfied. It is shallow.........where is the depth of feelings? Vincent and Catherine are nothing but "Moths to the Flame"...........without the declaration of love between them it falls flat, IMO.
The fans deserved MORE, MUCH MORE. The writers fed us SCRAPS when we deserved A FULL COURSE DINNER!
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Post by MyBatB on Mar 3, 2014 11:08:27 GMT -5
MyBatB, thank you so much for talking with me here. I'm not trying to sway anyone to my way of thinking. I just need to vent. In truth, I don't comprehend your optimism. Help me understand. Is it just hopefulness, on your part, that things will get better, or are you actually liking how S2 and the characters have been portrayed? Without giving away spoilers, are you okay with ep 215 (if you've seen it)? I'm so not, and I was truly holding out a glimmer of hope. I want a rewind, a do-over, a turning back of the clock--at least a turn-around of some type in the future. Doesn't look like I'm going to get it, sadly. I've no doubt lost readers of my fanfics because I've been vocal about my concerns, but I'm not going to stop writing or watching at this point. I'll just work out my devastation in the only way I know how - through the written word. In truth, I don't comprehend your optimism.Help me understand. Is it just hopefulness, on your part, that things will get better, or are you actually liking how S2 and the characters have been portrayed?
As I said before, first of all, when I love a show or a movie, a book, I have my way of understand it : I prefer to go along with the story if I like the beginning, and I go on, trying to understand characters'motivations, behaviours and so on... I don't own the story, it belongs to the writer. If I don't enjoy it, I don't read or watch it. If I think that things will get better ? Obviously yes, since Beauty and the Beast are meant to be together ! But I understand that you are dissatisfied by the way it's done. And nowadays, fans can try to make a difference, voicing their concerns by social networks !!! Is that a progress or is it too much ?To answer your question, at first, I was a little surprised by the beginning of S2 and I missed, like all of you, the beautiful moments of S1. Vincent has changed so much (JR made a lot of fans hating him !!! Real good acting ) But I accepted this new portrayal and the plot/the change in some characters too, which went with, knowing that it was part of the story. Without giving away spoilers, are you okay with ep 215 (if you've seen it)? I'm so not, and I was truly holding out a glimmer of hope.I wrote in the thread ep 15 why I love the episode. Maybe you have read it ? If not, it's page 13. I don't know how to express how I feel about the anger, the sadness of some Beasties ; this is not my state of mind towards any tv show ?! Negativity never builds anything, that is that bothers me. I hope the hiatus will bring one good thing : some thought in quietness and then, we'll see "your glimmer of hope !"I've no doubt lost readers of my fanfics because I've been vocal about my concerns, but I'm not going to stop writing or watching at this point. I'll just work out my devastation in the only way I know how - through the written word.
I don't think that, or it would be very silly. Keep on writing, that's a very good way of managing thoughts and feelings ! I've no doubt your future stories AKA " The Windflwr Season 2" will be wonderful ! I'm impatient to read them...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 11:21:20 GMT -5
MyBatB, thank you so much for talking with me here. I'm not trying to sway anyone to my way of thinking. I just need to vent. In truth, I don't comprehend your optimism. Help me understand. Is it just hopefulness, on your part, that things will get better, or are you actually liking how S2 and the characters have been portrayed? Without giving away spoilers, are you okay with ep 215 (if you've seen it)? I'm so not, and I was truly holding out a glimmer of hope. I want a rewind, a do-over, a turning back of the clock--at least a turn-around of some type in the future. Doesn't look like I'm going to get it, sadly. I've no doubt lost readers of my fanfics because I've been vocal about my concerns, but I'm not going to stop writing or watching at this point. I'll just work out my devastation in the only way I know how - through the written word. Sybil, please don't ever quit writing. That would be a travesty, and if you have lost any readers, that would be their loss not yours.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 11:39:20 GMT -5
I am so disgusted with this show right now.................that's all I got............I'll have more after Monday night. You're not the only one. I wish I could unsee this entire season or the show had ended on S1 or I followed my first instinct to not watch S2.
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Post by Laura on Mar 3, 2014 12:27:49 GMT -5
MyBatB, thank you so much for talking with me here. I'm not trying to sway anyone to my way of thinking. I just need to vent. In truth, I don't comprehend your optimism. Help me understand. Is it just hopefulness, on your part, that things will get better, or are you actually liking how S2 and the characters have been portrayed? Without giving away spoilers, are you okay with ep 215 (if you've seen it)? I'm so not, and I was truly holding out a glimmer of hope. I want a rewind, a do-over, a turning back of the clock--at least a turn-around of some type in the future. Doesn't look like I'm going to get it, sadly. I've no doubt lost readers of my fanfics because I've been vocal about my concerns, but I'm not going to stop writing or watching at this point. I'll just work out my devastation in the only way I know how - through the written word. Oh please do keep on writing. Your stories are just brilliant. I really wish you were in the writers' room, enriching the show with your beautiful writing and awesome ideas
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 6:05:14 GMT -5
MyBatB, thank you so much for talking with me here. I'm not trying to sway anyone to my way of thinking. I just need to vent. In truth, I don't comprehend your optimism. Help me understand. Is it just hopefulness, on your part, that things will get better, or are you actually liking how S2 and the characters have been portrayed? Without giving away spoilers, are you okay with ep 215 (if you've seen it)? I'm so not, and I was truly holding out a glimmer of hope. I want a rewind, a do-over, a turning back of the clock--at least a turn-around of some type in the future. Doesn't look like I'm going to get it, sadly. I've no doubt lost readers of my fanfics because I've been vocal about my concerns, but I'm not going to stop writing or watching at this point. I'll just work out my devastation in the only way I know how - through the written word. Windflwr, I never comment, but I have been reading all the fanfics from the beginning....I just enjoy quietly taking it all in and enjoying the images everyone's stories create in my mind. Besides me, I am sure you have many other readers who enjoy your stories and admire your love of the written word and your steadfast commitment to the founding principles of a story called "Beauty and the Beast". I admire you for that and for continuing to tell a tale about epic love. I was disappointed with several aspects of 215, and now that I have seen the promo for 216, my heart has sunk a little more...but I am still waiting for the fat lady to sing...
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