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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 16:46:47 GMT -5
Honestly, I think the lack of viewers has little or nothing to do with the current Beauty and the Beast story line. I think most of it has to do with the lack of promotion from the CW in general. The CW has screwed this show over since they announced that it has been renewed for a second season. They removed Beauty and the Beast from the Thursday time slot with the Vampire Diaries as a lead in to Mondays at 9:00 pm with which is one of, if not the most competitive time slots that there are. There is Sleepy Hollow and Mike and Molly which have huge fan bases. Because Sleepy Hollow is a freshman show, and I doubt the CW though it would have as much success as it does, I will give them a pass for placing it in the Monday 9:00 pm time slot. However, the fact that the CW did not change the time slot from Monday's and have disregarded the ratings makes me question them. Prior to Beauty and the Beast episode one of the second season, I saw little or no promotion for the show. The most that I saw for BATB was a little banner at the bottom of my television screen whilst I was watching Americas Next Top Model. (They were really trying hard to advertise the show right?) It's not like the premiere of season two got over 1 million viewers then we adjusted down to 0.8 million viewers, resulting from a lack of interest from viewers, we started out of the gate with a lack of viewers. This tells me that it was because of a lack of promotion. I asked many of my friends in college if they watched the show, half of them didn't even know it existed and the other half didn't even know it came back for the second season. That's just disgraceful. The CW never wanted to pick up Beauty and the Beast for a second season. The only wanted to pacify us loyal and hardworking fans. The CW had no intention for BATB to go past a second season and as much as it may hurt to say this, but they got their wish. Beasties can only do so much. It ultimately up to the network to promote the show and try to attract viewers. They have failed us. They CW is known for picking up shows, giving them 1-2 seasons, and dumping them. (And they wonder why they have such low ratings as a network). Also why would they pair BATB with a non-sci/fi show that had mediocre viewership? Like I said the CW has no intention of saving our show. Maybe The CW doesn't have an interest in saving the show. After all, this is television and they work for money, not love.
But to say that they invested millions of dollars and went to the trouble to find a new show runner only to have the show failing so they could take it from their schedule is being naïve.
As I understood from something I read as soon as the new time slot was announced (and people might correct me if I'm wrong, I don't mind), The CW put Beauty and the Beast on Mondays exactly due to its passionate fanbase, expecting to increase their ratings on a night known as difficult.
The fact that they failed to achieve their objective doesn't mean they ever intented to destroy the show or get rid of it. If they wanted that, they would simply cancel it like they did with The Secret Circle.
Do I think they made a bad decision? Yes. Do I think they made it with the single purpose of getting rid of it? Hell, no! It would be pretty stupid of them.
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Post by devin on Jan 14, 2014 17:13:52 GMT -5
Honestly, I think the lack of viewers has little or nothing to do with the current Beauty and the Beast story line. I think most of it has to do with the lack of promotion from the CW in general. The CW has screwed this show over since they announced that it has been renewed for a second season. They removed Beauty and the Beast from the Thursday time slot with the Vampire Diaries as a lead in to Mondays at 9:00 pm with which is one of, if not the most competitive time slots that there are. There is Sleepy Hollow and Mike and Molly which have huge fan bases. Because Sleepy Hollow is a freshman show, and I doubt the CW though it would have as much success as it does, I will give them a pass for placing it in the Monday 9:00 pm time slot. However, the fact that the CW did not change the time slot from Monday's and have disregarded the ratings makes me question them. Prior to Beauty and the Beast episode one of the second season, I saw little or no promotion for the show. The most that I saw for BATB was a little banner at the bottom of my television screen whilst I was watching Americas Next Top Model. (They were really trying hard to advertise the show right?) It's not like the premiere of season two got over 1 million viewers then we adjusted down to 0.8 million viewers, resulting from a lack of interest from viewers, we started out of the gate with a lack of viewers. This tells me that it was because of a lack of promotion. I asked many of my friends in college if they watched the show, half of them didn't even know it existed and the other half didn't even know it came back for the second season. That's just disgraceful. The CW never wanted to pick up Beauty and the Beast for a second season. The only wanted to pacify us loyal and hardworking fans. The CW had no intention for BATB to go past a second season and as much as it may hurt to say this, but they got their wish. Beasties can only do so much. It ultimately up to the network to promote the show and try to attract viewers. They have failed us. They CW is known for picking up shows, giving them 1-2 seasons, and dumping them. (And they wonder why they have such low ratings as a network). Also why would they pair BATB with a non-sci/fi show that had mediocre viewership? Like I said the CW has no intention of saving our show. Maybe The CW doesn't have an interest in saving the show. After all, this is television and they work for money, not love.
But to say that they invested millions of dollars and went to the trouble to find a new show runner only to have the show failing so they could take it from their schedule is being naïve.
As I understood from something I read as soon as the new time slot was announced (and people might correct me if I'm wrong, I don't mind), The CW put Beauty and the Beast on Mondays exactly due to its passionate fanbase, expecting to increase their ratings on a night known as difficult.
The fact that they failed to achieve their objective doesn't mean they ever intented to destroy the show or get rid of it. If they wanted that, they would simply cancel it like they did with The Secret Circle.
Do I think they made a bad decision? Yes. Do I think they made it with the single purpose of getting rid of it? Hell, no! It would be pretty stupid of them.
But it doesn't make any sense why would the CW remove BATB from it's Thursday lineup to it's Monday lineup, when Beauty and the Beast decreased in viewership the last half of the first season and was on the verge of cancellation? And how can they expect an increase in viewership when they didn't even promote the show?
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Post by Reyna on Jan 14, 2014 17:20:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 17:42:31 GMT -5
I can see your point....and I think you're correct. But, I still don't see the business sense in producing another full season of the show if you had no intention of renewing it. It doesn't make sense they would do this just to pacify a small but dedicated fan base. Obviously, they feel there's some back-end profit to made on the series after it's finished. DVD set sales, re-airing to different markets, etc, etc. There's not enough episodes to syndicate it so it would seem they've made a calculation they can re-coup enough to justify the expense in producing the second season.
All very confusing.
Oh well.
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Post by devin on Jan 14, 2014 17:54:13 GMT -5
It sucks though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 17:56:51 GMT -5
Yeah, it's disappointing. I think the whole issue with ratings (and this thread) is irrelevant at this point. They're obviously executing some plan that doesn't have anything to do with traditional ratings.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 14, 2014 17:59:23 GMT -5
I can see your point....and I think you're correct. But, I still don't see the business sense in producing another full season of the show if you had no intention of renewing it. It doesn't make sense they would do this just to pacify a small but dedicated fan base. Obviously, they feel there's some back-end profit to made on the series after it's finished. DVD set sales, re-airing to different markets, etc, etc. There's not enough episodes to syndicate it so it would seem they've made a calculation they can re-coup enough to justify the expense in producing the second season. All very confusing. Oh well. ok what if their reasoning is as follows we have our well performing shows which we keep renewing. TVD supernatural etc new shows we give them good timeslots (tomrorrow people and reign, and same for BATB last year) and see how they do. If they do well (such as arrow) we renew them and give them a good timeslot each year there are a certain number of slots and they can only produce a set number of new shows. so then the shows that dont do that well but they need them cause they need to fill in slots they renew but they dont give them good timeslots cause they know that it is difficult for them from a 0.5 the first year to suddenly do really well. they prefer to risk and give the good timeslots to the new shows and see hwo they do. this year for example the originals are their success story now the shows like BATB which were on the bubble they put on a weak timeslot and invest a little bit on them (not much) and fill in the slots. if they do well enough (continue to do 0.5 or 0.6) they may keep them for anothe ryear depending on how their new shows fare. if they don't they just cancel them that makes sense right? obviously if u pu tan already struggling show in a weak timeslot and do not promote it it is bound to fail further which is what happened i think with BATB
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Post by devin on Jan 14, 2014 18:32:39 GMT -5
But you would think that they would give shows with a stronger fan base and viewership the more competitive time slot. And as for promotion you don't really need to throw TVD, SPN, and Arrow in people's faces all the time because they already have a strong TV following and are well known. Logically, for me at least, it would make sense to promote the shows that aren't doing as well in ratings. If the Star-Crossed and the 100 do well, BATB is definitely getting the axe. No ifs, ands, or buts.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 14, 2014 18:41:30 GMT -5
But you would think that they would give shows with a stronger fan base and viewership the more competitive time slot. And as for promotion you don't really need to throw TVD, SPN, and Arrow in people's faces all the time because they already have a strong TV following and are well known. Logically, for me at least, it would make sense to promote the shows that aren't doing as well in ratings. If the Star-Crossed and the 100 do well, BATB is definitely getting the axe. No ifs, ands, or buts. u would think true but the pattern shows otherwise yes i agree regarding the new shows and i would also say if tomorrow people does not flop on mondays we would need at least three failing shows 0.3 or less...
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Post by svv on Jan 14, 2014 19:12:02 GMT -5
As much as I would love the numbers to grow regarding nielsens people, the rest of us continuing to trend on twitter helps a lot. It gives those of us without one a voice. If this is the last journey of this show (I really really don't want that) then I just hope and pray they are given enough notice to end things right. Too many shows don't get that chance but BATB TPTB should give us beasties, the cast, crew and all involved a proper goodbye. ( don't want that yet)
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Post by DayaBEASTS4 on Jan 14, 2014 19:46:22 GMT -5
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Post by Reyna on Jan 15, 2014 16:37:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 16:48:36 GMT -5
I guess that's as expected. The regular season for the rest of the CW lineup will be finished and they can show the remaining BATB episodes at their leisure. The quote from Pedowitz is interesting. That could be taken a few different ways.
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Post by Reyna on Jan 15, 2014 17:10:33 GMT -5
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 15, 2014 17:20:02 GMT -5
I guess that's as expected. The regular season for the rest of the CW lineup will be finished and they can show the remaining BATB episodes at their leisure. The quote from Pedowitz is interesting. That could be taken a few different ways. lol meaning? in what ways can it be taken?
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