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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 24, 2013 0:37:30 GMT -5
The other thread was getting way to long..Please continue discussing here!
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Nov 24, 2013 2:35:42 GMT -5
Hello Save Each Other Members:
I'm just posting this on the episodes and spoilers threads so everyone can be aware.
While we always welcome everyone on this board as well as each member's opinions, we are at heart a fan site dedicated to supporting the show. As such, we kindly ask that those who no longer wish to support and watch the show to please refrain from bringing your decision to not watch up in posts REPEATEDLY. We respect members decisions to no longer watch the show, and understand that they don't like the direction the show is taking, however several posts are coming across as advocating that others stop watching as well and that is not what a fan site is about.
I'm kindly asking you to please tone it down a little. No one is forcing anyone to continue watching the show, and no one should feel like they have to stop watching because others are as well. So please do not make your posts about trying to gather support for not watching. If the show makes you this angry and upset, the best thing you can do is forget about the show and anything related to it and move on. This is me asking everyone nicely.
Thank you for your cooperation on this matter.
Karen.
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Post by evanarose on Nov 24, 2013 4:23:11 GMT -5
So there has been quite the discussion about the whole Tori thing... I don't see her as a potential love interest. For one, she is kind of young...I took her to be in her late teens, early twenties and Vincent is like mid thirties? If anything maybe a big bro/teacher (to handle beast issue.) kind of relationship What I took from the kiss definitely wasn't any love chemistry connection. My theory is I think that Vincent effects her emotions in some way also...I think when that kiss happened; it may be just me but I didn't see any sign that Tori wanted to kiss him. It was only when they touched each other that her eyes glowed and it seemed like Vincent (without meaning to.) had some effect on it somehow :/ Not meaning to say I am happy that it happened. I don't see the premise for it. What is there to prove from the kiss? I mean technically it doesn't even move the plot. Vincat could have had the same argument without that kiss. And we already had a taste of how Tori affected him... As for the memories going back...I can't say I'm a big fan of how that is happening. We really aren't clear to the extent of memories he has back. So it's abit shady to whether his V 2.0 or 1.5 or whatever. I'm not getting why he would get his memories wiped to have the memories programmed to come back either? Having said that, I have a feeling that Gabe and Cat will get closer now Though part of me after having seen V kiss Tori, Gabrielle and Alex thinks Vincent needs to see Cat kissing someone! I wish I didn't feel that way! It would be predictable but why am I thinking towards the end of the season, Cats dad will approve of V because he saved his life somehow hmm..
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Nov 24, 2013 4:57:55 GMT -5
I'm sorry but i've forgotten the name of the beastie who offered to pm me the tunnelbear thing so yes please i'd love to have it. I haven't given up on the show it's just I don't feel the love for it like seson 1 and I hope that the mid seson cliff hanger does give us some sort of hope for Vincat becuase by now the writer's will have known what abig mistake Tori was so i'm hoping that we do get a season 3 and if so that it gets established once and for all that Vincat are stronger together than apart and that they don't have distrsactions of the opposite sex interfere with that.
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Post by evanarose on Nov 24, 2013 5:10:38 GMT -5
I hate feeling like I'm bagging the show! lol. Don't get me wrong. I am a beastie. Primarily I am a fan of the show because of the actors and their talent and THAT won't change. I can't really blame them for the material they get given. They would just do the best they can do with it. AND I'm assuming due to time constraints there is probably not much/alot of time for the actors to have more influence/input over their character... But I have to agree I do have more love for season 1 (minus the Alex arc.). I understand the relationship b/t vincat is not as great as last season. For one, we don't have the same Vincent and of course, it puts constraints to the relationship when Vincent won't reveal his handler and what his up to...There ISN'T MUCH TRUST. So I'm not surprised that Jay and Kristin has acted accordingly to that and therefore their relationship on screen isn't quite like season 1. Actually for me, that doesn't bug me as much...so long as when he gets his memories (hopefully that will be made more clear.) and the handler deal/tori arc (which shouldn't be a love triangle!) is finished THEY get back to a better place. Hopefully not dragged for too long... Having said that, there are a few things from season 2 I haven't understood in terms of dialogue and the way Cat/Vincent have reacted to each other in certain situations (considering their characters and where they are at in their relationship.) BUT maybe that's just me thinking if I were in the same situation, I would have reacted differently. Though the way the writers have made things, it's been abit inconsistent and confusing with their relationship at times. For instance, these are some situations I haven't understood and would've wrote differently:- 1) Vincent hitting Cat. I think Cat forgave him too quickly. And I didn't get how her injury seemed to change :/ Also Vincent should've helped her up after hitting her! 2) Vincent and Tori. Why did Vincent stop kissing her only when her heard Cat? I think he should have fought it more considering their relationship. 3) Vincent telling Cat to walk away and Cat walking straight away. Even though, some people in that situation would have walked away...I don't see CAT as the type of person who normally would have. I would have pictured her yelling and venting at him. Particularly after the amount she fought for him with her friends and family. I wouldn't expect her to accept the kiss but say more. Then there's also JT and Sarah. I assume they broke it off because he lied last season about coming to dinner? BUT aside from THAT, WE NEED MORE JT!! What's up with episodes WITHOUT JT at all? It seems like Gabe and Tess get a fair amount on screen though.
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Post by Beastly Beauty on Nov 24, 2013 6:48:32 GMT -5
So there has been quite the discussion about the whole Tori thing... I don't see her as a potential love interest. For one, she is kind of young...I took her to be in her late teens, early twenties and Vincent is like mid thirties? If anything maybe a big bro/teacher (to handle beast issue.) kind of relationship What I took from the kiss definitely wasn't any love chemistry connection. My theory is I think that Vincent effects her emotions in some way also...I think when that kiss happened; it may be just me but I didn't see any sign that Tori wanted to kiss him. It was only when they touched each other that her eyes glowed and it seemed like Vincent (without meaning to.) had some effect on it somehow :/ Not meaning to say I am happy that it happened. I don't see the premise for it. What is there to prove from the kiss? I mean technically it doesn't even move the plot. Vincat could have had the same argument without that kiss. And we already had a taste of how Tori affected him... As for the memories going back...I can't say I'm a big fan of how that is happening. We really aren't clear to the extent of memories he has back. So it's abit shady to whether his V 2.0 or 1.5 or whatever. I'm not getting why he would get his memories wiped to have the memories programmed to come back either? Having said that, I have a feeling that Gabe and Cat will get closer now Though part of me after having seen V kiss Tori, Gabrielle and Alex thinks Vincent needs to see Cat kissing someone! I wish I didn't feel that way! It would be predictable but why am I thinking towards the end of the season, Cats dad will approve of V because he saved his life somehow hmm.. People keep complaining about VinCat relationship, but I think that THIS is the only consistent thing the season had so far. Taking by Vincent's memory loss, there's absolutely no trust and history between them. This relationship is new and that's the excuse I have seen here for every single Vincent had put Cat through. So why are they complaining about that? I guess not only BatB's writers are inconsistent... As you put, the explanation for ToriCent infamous "connection" is that they put out each other's emotions and that's why they couldn't resist the kiss. If it's that so, are we to believe that Vincent only has "emotions" towards Tori? Because right after the insufferable kiss he went after Cat. He was still under the she-beast from hell's influence and there's absolutelly no emotion on him when he broke Cat's heart. Psycho bio dad told him that Cat was crying and it hit a blank wall. Again right after being in contact with she-beast from hell. His emotions were pretty much in check. Therefore, his so famous “emotions” only exist around she-beast from hell. In fact, he only reacted with emotion when Psycho Bio Dad told him that she-beast from hell was in danger. If that’s not tarnishing VinCat, I don’t know what is. I'm simply disgusted by Tori. To my eyes she represents the worst kind of women, the ones that go after taken man. Even her actress (I don't know her name and I don't care enough to look for it) manages to annoy me. She said in an interview something between the lines “great love needs great challenge”. I totally agree with that, but... Vincent is a walking genetic experiment with a death sentence hanging above his head. Cat's bio dad had plotted to use him as a killing machine to get ride of his own kind - insert huge moral dilemma here - for some obscure reason and that includes killing Vincent himself. Vincent is an assassin while Cat is a cop. BatB's whole background story is really rich. There's so many possibilities to explore. Am I the only one that thinks those things are challenge enough and much more important than being physically attracted to another woman? Are we really to believe that, with everything else happening around them, the real challenge here is the fact that Vincent can't keep it in his pants? Because going after another woman was the only thing that separate VinCat in both seasons. Am I the only one that see a pattern here? This is cheap and uninteresting. And now we learned that Vincent will NEVER have his memories back, therefore, here goes beasties hopes that Vincent would eventually remember Cat and regret his actions, here goes our hope to ever see our beloved Vincent again. Frankly, I don't see a single reason to love this downgraded version of the character I fell in love in S1. I am a beastie. I want to believe in the show, but the show runners are making this extremelly difficult. They keep babling about a 5 seasons' plan. I say concrentrate ON THE CURRENT SEASON because the fanbase is falling apart exactly because of it. With the current ratings, I think this famous plan is pretty much delusional. My biggest fear is that they're taken “by surprise” with a cancellation at the end of the season and put VinCat back together in a rushed and inconsistent way at the last episode and leave us with an even bitter taste in our mouths, exactly like what happened in Roswell (and I watched Roswell way after their cancellation so I knew what would happen).
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 24, 2013 9:25:24 GMT -5
First Karen, I apologize in advance if you feel this is too negative...that is not my intent, this is my first post on this matter and as a "beastie" that's supported and vote, I feel I've earned my right to an opinion. You obviously have the last word. Rumors are circulating about a S 3 because of a Netflix deal, don't know anything about how netflix cuts it's deals, but if the writers don't clear the uncertainty of the way forward for VinCat the may have only 3 viewers left. lol I been reading on other sites and the consensus seems to be no "beast on beast making the beast" lol They're going to tie Vincent and Tori together in some mystical way (bad enough) Cat will be jealous and show interest in someone else....Vincent will be jealous and.....round and round we go. This is all my speculation from what I'm reading, except some Ksite interviewer confirmed no beast sex between Vin/Tori. So that's where I see the SL headed....separate but each episode scenes together for VinCat trying to fight their way back together. Unfortunately in tearing them apart they have done a lot of damage to Vincent's character. (shoving Cat...Gabirella....the kiss...choosing Bio Dads way and basically saving himself from being outed by breaking up with Cat) Much like TVD destroyed Elena's character to be with Damon)................................Lots of un-epic actions, plain and simple. My plan is to stick it out right up to the point that one of them betrays the other by jumping in the sack with someone else.....Then I'm DONE. It's a shame the show-runners felt the triangle path was the only way forward to create drama, when we all know the were better ways forward having them fight against all comers ....TOGETHER.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 24, 2013 9:36:40 GMT -5
First Karen, I apologize in advance if you feel this is too negative...that is not my intent, this is my first post on this matter and as a "beastie" that's supported and vote, I feel I've earned my right to an opinion. You obviously have the last word. Rumors are circulating about a S 3 because of a Netflix deal, don't know anything about how netflix cuts it's deals, but if the writers don't clear the uncertainty of the way forward for VinCat the may have only 3 viewers left. lol I been reading on other sites and the consensus seems to be no "beast on beast making the beast" lol They're going to tie Vincent and Tori together in some mystical way (bad enough) Cat will be jealous and show interest in someone else....Vincent will be jealous and.....round and round we go. This is all my speculation from what I'm reading, except some Ksite interviewer confirmed no beast sex between Vin/Tori. So that's where I see the SL headed....separate but each episode scenes together for VinCat trying to fight their way back together. Unfortunately in tearing them apart they have done a lot of damage to Vincent's character. (shoving Cat...Gabirella....the kiss...choosing Bio Dads way and basically saving himself from being outed by breaking up with Cat) Much like TVD destroyed Elena's character to be with Damon)................................Lots of un-epic actions, plain and simple. My plan is to stick it out right up to the point that one of them betrays the other by jumping in the sack with someone else.....Then I'm DONE. It's a shame the show-runners felt the triangle path was the only way forward to create drama, when we all know the were better ways forward having them fight against all comers ....TOGETHER. question: where did u hear about this netflix thing? x
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Post by spider2.0 on Nov 24, 2013 9:41:20 GMT -5
same question: where did u hear about this netflix thing? Netflix will buy the show?
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Post by VinCatUk on Nov 24, 2013 11:11:28 GMT -5
Yes where did you here about the netflix deal I'm hoping it about buying it for several season like here in the uk Watch tv channel have a 3 year deal to show all 3 season even if we are only on Season 2.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 24, 2013 11:14:30 GMT -5
First Karen, I apologize in advance if you feel this is too negative...that is not my intent, this is my first post on this matter and as a "beastie" that's supported and vote, I feel I've earned my right to an opinion. You obviously have the last word. Rumors are circulating about a S 3 because of a Netflix deal, don't know anything about how netflix cuts it's deals, but if the writers don't clear the uncertainty of the way forward for VinCat the may have only 3 viewers left. lol I been reading on other sites and the consensus seems to be no "beast on beast making the beast" lol They're going to tie Vincent and Tori together in some mystical way (bad enough) Cat will be jealous and show interest in someone else....Vincent will be jealous and.....round and round we go. This is all my speculation from what I'm reading, except some Ksite interviewer confirmed no beast sex between Vin/Tori. So that's where I see the SL headed....separate but each episode scenes together for VinCat trying to fight their way back together. Unfortunately in tearing them apart they have done a lot of damage to Vincent's character. (shoving Cat...Gabirella....the kiss...choosing Bio Dads way and basically saving himself from being outed by breaking up with Cat) Much like TVD destroyed Elena's character to be with Damon)................................Lots of un-epic actions, plain and simple. My plan is to stick it out right up to the point that one of them betrays the other by jumping in the sack with someone else.....Then I'm DONE. It's a shame the show-runners felt the triangle path was the only way forward to create drama, when we all know the were better ways forward having them fight against all comers ....TOGETHER. shoe20, don't worry, your rant is peanuts compared to others! Besides the question other did about Netflix, I understand that the bold line is your speculation, right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 11:28:48 GMT -5
First Karen, I apologize in advance if you feel this is too negative...that is not my intent, this is my first post on this matter and as a "beastie" that's supported and vote, I feel I've earned my right to an opinion. You obviously have the last word. Rumors are circulating about a S 3 because of a Netflix deal, don't know anything about how netflix cuts it's deals, but if the writers don't clear the uncertainty of the way forward for VinCat the may have only 3 viewers left. lol I been reading on other sites and the consensus seems to be no "beast on beast making the beast" lol They're going to tie Vincent and Tori together in some mystical way (bad enough) Cat will be jealous and show interest in someone else....Vincent will be jealous and.....round and round we go. This is all my speculation from what I'm reading, except some Ksite interviewer confirmed no beast sex between Vin/Tori. So that's where I see the SL headed....separate but each episode scenes together for VinCat trying to fight their way back together. Unfortunately in tearing them apart they have done a lot of damage to Vincent's character. (shoving Cat...Gabirella....the kiss...choosing Bio Dads way and basically saving himself from being outed by breaking up with Cat) Much like TVD destroyed Elena's character to be with Damon)................................Lots of un-epic actions, plain and simple. My plan is to stick it out right up to the point that one of them betrays the other by jumping in the sack with someone else.....Then I'm DONE. It's a shame the show-runners felt the triangle path was the only way forward to create drama, when we all know the were better ways forward having them fight against all comers ....TOGETHER. question: where did u hear about this netflix thing? x The use of the word EPIC has rightfully been greatly debated here, and I believe that it ties in to the direction our show is or is not taking at the moment. Epic is defined as:impressively great, spectacular, awesome, majestic....Hence, in popular culture and speech, anything could be epic-the use becomes quite subjective and, wether we like it or not or we agree with it or not, we should be accepting of others' use of the word...the EPIC finale to Season 1, for example. My personal struggle at the present time is that I interpret the show-runners view of EPIC as being classical; after all, Beauty and the Beast is a classical tale with epic characteristics. What are the characteristics of an epic story, you ask? 1)-The characters are beings of national, historical or legendary importance -I believe the term legends of the Beast(s) has been used. 2)-The setting is grand in scope-New York City 3)-Actions consist of deeds of great valour and courage-do we need examples? 4)-While heroes often possess superhuman abilities, their invulnerability is frequently compromised by a specific weakness-this begs the question; what is Vincent's specific weakness? (Hopefully not his banana!) And here comes the one that is truly important with respect to beasties views about the portrayal of Tori and of Vincent's relationship to her and any future relationship either Vincent or Catherine may have... 5)-The heroes should embody and reflect the culture's HIGHEST values and are bound by an unbreakable code of honour. Do I need to say anything else? This does put the PUSH and the KISS in question. However, I remain hopeful that the show-runners understand the utmost importance of holding fast to the most significant aspect of characteristic #5: Vincat must always remain faithful to each other. If TPTB make well-thought out decisions about our heroes, Vincent and Catherine may loose their way at times, but they will never stray too far from each other and they will never be physically intimate with anyone else.
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 24, 2013 11:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Nov 24, 2013 11:56:04 GMT -5
question: where did u hear about this netflix thing? x The use of the word EPIC has rightfully been greatly debated here, and I believe that it ties in to the direction our show is or is not taking at the moment. Epic is defined as:impressively great, spectacular, awesome, majestic....Hence, in popular culture and speech, anything could be epic-the use becomes quite subjective and, wether we like it or not or we agree with it or not, we should be accepting of others' use of the word...the EPIC finale to Season 1, for example. My personal struggle at the present time is that I interpret the show-runners view of EPIC as being classical; after all, Beauty and the Beast is a classical tale with epic characteristics. What are the characteristics of an epic story, you ask? 1)-The characters are beings of national, historical or legendary importance -I believe the term legends of the Beast(s) has been used. 2)-The setting is grand in scope-New York City 3)-Actions consist of deeds of great valour and courage-do we need examples? 4)-While heroes often possess superhuman abilities, their invulnerability is frequently compromised by a specific weakness-this begs the question; what is Vincent's specific weakness? (Hopefully not his banana!) And here comes the one that is truly important with respect to beasties views about the portrayal of Tori and of Vincent's relationship to her and any future relationship either Vincent or Catherine may have... 5)-The heroes should embody and reflect the culture's HIGHEST values and are bound by an unbreakable code of honour. Do I need to say anything else? This does put the PUSH and the KISS in question. However, I remain hopeful that the show-runners understand the utmost importance of holding fast to the most significant aspect of characteristic #5: Vincat must always remain faithful to each other. If TPTB make well-thought out decisions about our heroes, Vincent and Catherine may loose their way at times, but they will never stray too far from each other and they will never be physically intimate with anyone else. Well said!
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 24, 2013 12:25:36 GMT -5
shoe20 well, I expect things to develop differently. I don't think Catherine will look for another guy because she's jealous of the bond between Vincent and Tori. As I see it, writters are trying to highlight the big conflict of Vincent between being a beast or a man, and which side will take control of the situation. Bringing Tori into play serves mainly for a purpose: to push Vincent even more to the beast side (because of her effect on the beast side). I agree that writters could show that conflict other ways but they were trying to add more drama to the situation and came with Tori. Let's accept it and move on. I think that Catherine will stay away because Vincent is not in control anymore and that will be probably obvious in tonight's ep when he attacks Reynolds. I guess she will reach the point of "when is too much, too much?" Also think what they are trying to show with Vincent's character is a man with a very deep and difficult conflict between letting his instincts take control of his life or he, as man, don't allow that to happen. In order to decide take control he needs a big purpose, a reason to stay sane and in control. And that will be his love for Catherine. IMO it's a wonderful way of showing that our willingness and mind strenght can overcome even what our DNA tries to control. Basicly, we decide our destine, not our DNA. Sometimes I think we forget that Vincent' situation was inflicted to him by others. He didn't ask for it and obviously is not that easy to control. He has been continuously abused along last 12 years against his will and it continues happening (the last one is his handler using him and later trying to kill him). He, as a man, is in a big <edited>* and the new realization that he's not capable to control his beast can't be easier to swollow either. On the other hand we have a very strong woman (who also has weaknesses as all of us) and who is willing to sacrifize a lot for the man she loves and because she trust in him and in his humanity. She has given him many chances this season but it's clear that her faith is broken and probably will reach the higher point this week. That's why she will finally decide to stay away. IMO, nothing directly related to Tori or her relation or bond with Vincent.. Ops! sorry for the disertation... it was expected to be a very short answer!! Those news about Nexflix sound great, right? Don't know if that would affect the budget of the show or its exposure. Is Netflix a stronger channel than CW?
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