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Post by feezya on Nov 24, 2013 16:28:27 GMT -5
In October 2011, the CW signed a four-year streaming deal with Netflix that analysts said could be worth up to a billion dollars. Netflix reportedly pays the CW anywhere from $150,000 - $700,000 per episode depending on a show's longevity and performance. When the deal was made, Netflix supposedly paid around $600,000 for each Gossip Girl episode but newer, lower rated shows would be bought for much less. I've read different things about what the four year deal represents, so I don't know if Netflix has the right to buy and stream any series the network airs between the 2011/2012 - 2014/2015 or whether Netflix has the right to buy and stream shows for 4 years after they end. The first scenario would probably benefit BatB more because if the Netflix deal only covers shows produced through the 2014/2015 season and Netflix factors how many episodes a show has produced into its per episode purchase price then the CW might have more incentive to stick with Beauty for one more season rather than risk producing a new show. Here's an article from the LA Times when the deal was announced: latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2011/10/netflix-cw-deal-cbs-warner-bros.htmlHere's a short article on Vulture about why the Netflix deal is so important to the CW: www.vulture.com/2013/07/netflix-is-kinda-sorta-keeping-the-cw-alive.htmlHere's a very good article on Forbes explaining how the Netflix deal is the reason for Nikita's final 6 episode season: www.forbes.com/sites/merrillbarr/2013/11/18/the-final-season-of-nikita-isnt-about-fan-service-its-about-netflix/Here's an article about the deal CW signed with HULU: news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20127241-261/hulu-tries-to-one-up-netflix-with-cw-deal/These deals are the reason all of us Beasties need to run the show on VOD, CWTV.com, Hulu, and Netflix (if you are a subscriber). Unless you are a Nielsen household, there's not much we can do to change that .3 rating, but if the show is popular on Netflix, they will pay the CW more $$ for each episode. And since the ad revenue is down by almost half from last season, the show needs to bring in money for the network somewhere. If you are an international Beastie and your country is actually broadcasting the show, you need to be sure to watch on your networks station or website too because if the international networks stop buying the show, then the studio wont' be making any money either. This is what i'm hoping for IF we don't get s3 - a decent ending in s2. Btw, is Netflix international?
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 24, 2013 17:01:35 GMT -5
not international, no. it airs in u.s./u.k./australia and a few other countries.
oh and the programmes they have are not the same in each country. so for example the uk netflix does not have BATB so for me to watch it on netflix I use tunnelbear
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 24, 2013 18:56:33 GMT -5
I just wanted to post this here..I think in spite of everything..We ALL agree that we are PASSIONATE about something we all love Beauty and the Beast - This show got more responses than all others combined. Their fan passion is legendary and actually inspired the article to begin with, so it was hard to narrow the selections down to just 4. You can see all submissions on the link above. BatB airs on Mondays at 9/8 C on the CW. Current episodes are available on Hulu Plus. Season 1 is available on Netflix Streaming. Anne Garcia - Thank you for this opportunity for me to speak about Beauty and the Beast, a show that’s suffering in the ratings. I feel sure that if given the right amount of publicity (and, face it, a less competitive timeslot!) this show would catch on with a wider audience. First it has a terrific balance of humor, action, romance, and sci fi mythology—truly there’s something for everyone. It also has a stunningly diverse cast, which is something in itself that should be celebrated. And it’s a show that spotlights the strength of women, depicting a tough “Beauty” who can do her fair share of saving and who has an equally strong female police partner. That mix is sadly missing in television. The acting is great, the action scenes are tight, and the problems it had coming out of the gate with a few items like choppy editing and plot holes have all been addressed in changes made for the second season. Please help this show get the promotion it deserves! JFrimpong - Do you like romantic comedies or romantic dramas? Do you like watching two people meet and discover what they love about each other and then watching them overcome obstacles to stay together? If any of that appeals to you, I highly, highly recommend the CW's Beauty and the Beast. This show is engaging, intelligent, funny, subtle television. The chemistry between the two leads will make you want to root for them. They will make you care so deeply that their every triumph, every set-back, every joy and heartache will feel like your own. This show is escapism television, and every week I watch, I'm pulled deeper into their lives. I want to know if they'll overcome the odds. I root for them as they navigate life together. What I love about this show is that the writers treat the audience as the smart, TV savvy people that we are. They don't draw out conflict, don't create conflict for no reason, don't break up the leads every fourth episode and don't let misunderstanding linger for weeks on end. The leads talk about their feelings, talk about their assumptions and work out their issues as we all do in our personal lives. And the supporting cast! They bring the funny each week. They are supportive of each other and still bring the real talk. If the leads are acting a fool, you can bet someone on the supporting cast will voice what we're all thinking. There have been times when I'm watching and I think out loud 'wait...what! noo!' And a scene or two later one of the supporting characters has the same reaction and tries to steer the leads in the right direction. I can't say enough good things about this show. Give it a chance, you won't be disappointed. Jules - Beauty and the Beast has evolved from a guilty pleasure show into a pure pleasure. It has improved in Season 2 to be a fast-paced, more tightly written sci-fi/fantasy show that is deepening its mythology while still retaining the romance. The main female protagonist, Catherine Chandler, is a woman of color (half Chinese-half Caucasian) who loves her "beast" but also kicks butt and is a stubborn, opinionated, compassionate woman. There's also a great female friendship between Cat and her cop partner, Tess (which we need to see more of on tv). As for the "beast" part of the show, Vincent can literally turn into a beast but he is conflicted between his old self and the killing machine he was turned into. And the chemistry between beauty and her beast? Sizzling. Seriously. They give you butterflies in your stomach feelings. It's sci-fi, it's romance, and it's all built around the two leads' great chemistry. Also, it probably one of the most diverse casts on television. It's refreshing to see a show set in "New York" actually resemble the diversity of New York. Dani K - I’m not going to gush about how, ‘like, totally AMAZING’ my show is! Or inflate, ‘like, how AWESOME’ everyone and everything is. Because, truthfully, it does have flaws, as do most shows, and I have no intention of creating false expectations. (I imagine you know how it is, once you become invested in a show it's easier to overlook the flaws and see the beauty within.) You may have already watched it. If so, hopefully you will find something in my submission that might make you want to give it another chance. Honestly, when I first heard about the show and saw it advertised I thought about watching it for 2 seconds flat. I made up my mind and that was that. It would come on after one of my shows and I’d quickly turn the channel, prepared to watch reality friggin TV over it! (that’s pretty bad for me! lol) But my mom convinced me, after months of trying, to give it a chance. I thought ‘well, I did talk her into Bones, Arrow, TVD, Rookie Blue, Bates Motel, so I think it’s only fair’. And those are just the ones that she took to, although I still think she missed out on Angel and Alias. So, I turned it on one night. Admittedly I wasn’t into it at first (I still had it in my head I wouldn't like it) and spent most of the episode on my phone. But something caught my attention towards the end and I found myself mildly interested about the next episode. When it came on the next week, I tuned in. By the time the episode was over I felt the insuppressible curiosity to know how this show and its characters had gotten to where it was. So I bit the bullet and bought the iTunes season pass so I could catch up. I marathon watched all the missed episodes and by the time I was caught up I could not believe I had been missing out all that time! I was officially hooked! More so than I have ever been. So, what is it that draws me to this show? I honestly can’t say it’s one thing in particular, but all the elements put together. It’s the characters, and how they make me care about what happens to them. How complex and flawed they are, yet worthy of having their story told. They make me want to be a part of their growth and evolution as the show progresses. The supporting characters, who are equally complex and are actually relevant to the story, not just “fillers”. Ones that, should they meet a terrible demise, I know I'm gonna be pissed! lol But having 'real', compelling characters isn't enough. They need a story and a journey that I will want to explore with them. For this show, it's not about when or how these characters will come together, it's when and how will they overcome these obstacles. Not just physical and emotional obstacles, but outside forces working against them. Never knowing what or who's around the next corner, and how will it affect them and the people around them. Its plot is woven with deceit and truths for us to unravel, making us search and guess at ulterior motives and hidden agendas. Is this person really as bad as we think? Or will they be redeemed yet? And as we all know, every journey has its ups and downs, dark and light moments. It's how they tell these moments that really complete their story lines. In this show, they balance those moments in a dialogue that feels real, not polished with years of journalism that nobody can relate to. I personally, find an episode/show that can make me laugh and cry, have me holding my breath in anticipation until the action amps up, all in one episode, impressive. What I like about the action in this show is that it doesn't always come from a car chase, or a fist fight, or shooting, but when they do use a fight sequence, I am always impressed by the authentic feel it has. And it is certainly refreshing to see a female kicking some ass! As for the mythology/sci-fi tone to it, I really enjoy how they have shifted gears and are using it and telling it from a different perspective than the first season. It's become sort of a tool this season rather than a burden. And as a result has given strength and character to the characters. It's no longer boxing the characters in, but granting them some freedom….but is there a cost to this freedom? And what will be the price? It's the small things too though. The things each actor brings to their character. The tone of their voice, the body language, the use of their eyes (which is always my favourite…..very telling!). To the music. The right song, at the right moment can turn an okay moment into something magnificent. All of these things have together captivated my attention. I know many find the fandom to be….irritating, and I can understand that, since we are all over the internet and can be very vocal, but are, in my experience, extremely welcoming. Unfortunately for us that may turn some viewers away. I believe that it comes from a good place, is motivated by an intense passion and fuelled by the fear that comes with low ratings. Especially since, in my opinion, it is a much better show than it is credited for. I really believe if people were to give it a chance, leaving all their preconceived opinions at the door, many would be pleasantly surprised. Judging from some Reviewers recaps, people are slowly starting to change their minds about this show. I hope it's not too late. Because I truly love it and hope others will too. My show, if you haven't guessed, is Beauty and the Beast. I hope you give it a chance and come to love it as much as I do. I would love to hear your thoughts or answer any questions you might have. Thanks for taking the time to read my submission. I hope it changed your mind. SPOILERTV
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Post by pippin on Nov 24, 2013 19:00:59 GMT -5
I just wanted to post this here..I think in spite of everything..We ALL agree that we are PASSIONATE about something we all love Beauty and the Beast - This show got more responses than all others combined. Their fan passion is legendary and actually inspired the article to begin with, so it was hard to narrow the selections down to just 4. You can see all submissions on the link above. BatB airs on Mondays at 9/8 C on the CW. Current episodes are available on Hulu Plus. Season 1 is available on Netflix Streaming. Anne Garcia - Thank you for this opportunity for me to speak about Beauty and the Beast, a show that’s suffering in the ratings. I feel sure that if given the right amount of publicity (and, face it, a less competitive timeslot!) this show would catch on with a wider audience. First it has a terrific balance of humor, action, romance, and sci fi mythology—truly there’s something for everyone. It also has a stunningly diverse cast, which is something in itself that should be celebrated. And it’s a show that spotlights the strength of women, depicting a tough “Beauty” who can do her fair share of saving and who has an equally strong female police partner. That mix is sadly missing in television. The acting is great, the action scenes are tight, and the problems it had coming out of the gate with a few items like choppy editing and plot holes have all been addressed in changes made for the second season. Please help this show get the promotion it deserves! JFrimpong - Do you like romantic comedies or romantic dramas? Do you like watching two people meet and discover what they love about each other and then watching them overcome obstacles to stay together? If any of that appeals to you, I highly, highly recommend the CW's Beauty and the Beast. This show is engaging, intelligent, funny, subtle television. The chemistry between the two leads will make you want to root for them. They will make you care so deeply that their every triumph, every set-back, every joy and heartache will feel like your own. This show is escapism television, and every week I watch, I'm pulled deeper into their lives. I want to know if they'll overcome the odds. I root for them as they navigate life together. What I love about this show is that the writers treat the audience as the smart, TV savvy people that we are. They don't draw out conflict, don't create conflict for no reason, don't break up the leads every fourth episode and don't let misunderstanding linger for weeks on end. The leads talk about their feelings, talk about their assumptions and work out their issues as we all do in our personal lives. And the supporting cast! They bring the funny each week. They are supportive of each other and still bring the real talk. If the leads are acting a fool, you can bet someone on the supporting cast will voice what we're all thinking. There have been times when I'm watching and I think out loud 'wait...what! noo!' And a scene or two later one of the supporting characters has the same reaction and tries to steer the leads in the right direction. I can't say enough good things about this show. Give it a chance, you won't be disappointed. Jules - Beauty and the Beast has evolved from a guilty pleasure show into a pure pleasure. It has improved in Season 2 to be a fast-paced, more tightly written sci-fi/fantasy show that is deepening its mythology while still retaining the romance. The main female protagonist, Catherine Chandler, is a woman of color (half Chinese-half Caucasian) who loves her "beast" but also kicks butt and is a stubborn, opinionated, compassionate woman. There's also a great female friendship between Cat and her cop partner, Tess (which we need to see more of on tv). As for the "beast" part of the show, Vincent can literally turn into a beast but he is conflicted between his old self and the killing machine he was turned into. And the chemistry between beauty and her beast? Sizzling. Seriously. They give you butterflies in your stomach feelings. It's sci-fi, it's romance, and it's all built around the two leads' great chemistry. Also, it probably one of the most diverse casts on television. It's refreshing to see a show set in "New York" actually resemble the diversity of New York. Dani K - I’m not going to gush about how, ‘like, totally AMAZING’ my show is! Or inflate, ‘like, how AWESOME’ everyone and everything is. Because, truthfully, it does have flaws, as do most shows, and I have no intention of creating false expectations. (I imagine you know how it is, once you become invested in a show it's easier to overlook the flaws and see the beauty within.) You may have already watched it. If so, hopefully you will find something in my submission that might make you want to give it another chance. Honestly, when I first heard about the show and saw it advertised I thought about watching it for 2 seconds flat. I made up my mind and that was that. It would come on after one of my shows and I’d quickly turn the channel, prepared to watch reality friggin TV over it! (that’s pretty bad for me! lol) But my mom convinced me, after months of trying, to give it a chance. I thought ‘well, I did talk her into Bones, Arrow, TVD, Rookie Blue, Bates Motel, so I think it’s only fair’. And those are just the ones that she took to, although I still think she missed out on Angel and Alias. So, I turned it on one night. Admittedly I wasn’t into it at first (I still had it in my head I wouldn't like it) and spent most of the episode on my phone. But something caught my attention towards the end and I found myself mildly interested about the next episode. When it came on the next week, I tuned in. By the time the episode was over I felt the insuppressible curiosity to know how this show and its characters had gotten to where it was. So I bit the bullet and bought the iTunes season pass so I could catch up. I marathon watched all the missed episodes and by the time I was caught up I could not believe I had been missing out all that time! I was officially hooked! More so than I have ever been. So, what is it that draws me to this show? I honestly can’t say it’s one thing in particular, but all the elements put together. It’s the characters, and how they make me care about what happens to them. How complex and flawed they are, yet worthy of having their story told. They make me want to be a part of their growth and evolution as the show progresses. The supporting characters, who are equally complex and are actually relevant to the story, not just “fillers”. Ones that, should they meet a terrible demise, I know I'm gonna be pissed! lol But having 'real', compelling characters isn't enough. They need a story and a journey that I will want to explore with them. For this show, it's not about when or how these characters will come together, it's when and how will they overcome these obstacles. Not just physical and emotional obstacles, but outside forces working against them. Never knowing what or who's around the next corner, and how will it affect them and the people around them. Its plot is woven with deceit and truths for us to unravel, making us search and guess at ulterior motives and hidden agendas. Is this person really as bad as we think? Or will they be redeemed yet? And as we all know, every journey has its ups and downs, dark and light moments. It's how they tell these moments that really complete their story lines. In this show, they balance those moments in a dialogue that feels real, not polished with years of journalism that nobody can relate to. I personally, find an episode/show that can make me laugh and cry, have me holding my breath in anticipation until the action amps up, all in one episode, impressive. What I like about the action in this show is that it doesn't always come from a car chase, or a fist fight, or shooting, but when they do use a fight sequence, I am always impressed by the authentic feel it has. And it is certainly refreshing to see a female kicking some ass! As for the mythology/sci-fi tone to it, I really enjoy how they have shifted gears and are using it and telling it from a different perspective than the first season. It's become sort of a tool this season rather than a burden. And as a result has given strength and character to the characters. It's no longer boxing the characters in, but granting them some freedom….but is there a cost to this freedom? And what will be the price? It's the small things too though. The things each actor brings to their character. The tone of their voice, the body language, the use of their eyes (which is always my favourite…..very telling!). To the music. The right song, at the right moment can turn an okay moment into something magnificent. All of these things have together captivated my attention. I know many find the fandom to be….irritating, and I can understand that, since we are all over the internet and can be very vocal, but are, in my experience, extremely welcoming. Unfortunately for us that may turn some viewers away. I believe that it comes from a good place, is motivated by an intense passion and fuelled by the fear that comes with low ratings. Especially since, in my opinion, it is a much better show than it is credited for. I really believe if people were to give it a chance, leaving all their preconceived opinions at the door, many would be pleasantly surprised. Judging from some Reviewers recaps, people are slowly starting to change their minds about this show. I hope it's not too late. Because I truly love it and hope others will too. My show, if you haven't guessed, is Beauty and the Beast. I hope you give it a chance and come to love it as much as I do. I would love to hear your thoughts or answer any questions you might have. Thanks for taking the time to read my submission. I hope it changed your mind. SPOILERTV What article are you referencing from SpoilerTV? Can you post the link?
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Post by katiebeast S3 <3 on Nov 25, 2013 6:29:40 GMT -5
I don't really know if it belongs here and maybe it has been said before, but something has been bothering me since ep1 and I thought that maybe it is something that will be addressed in season2. I never really 'saw' how Vincent would have been able to travel undetected from Afghanistan back to the States without any help. And I also never really understood why Vincent would have been in the woods to save Catherine after her mother was shot without him keeping an eye on Vanessa. So than I started speculating (haha don't we all) and I think there is something more to that. That Vanessa saved Vincent in more ways than we know to date. Or maybe I just overthink things...
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Post by spider2.0 on Nov 25, 2013 10:06:20 GMT -5
Do you remember earlier we have a spoiler that someone will die in Ep 8? But no one so far. Couldn't mean that bombmaker, right? And Ep 9 is titled don't die on me, so someone gonna die then?
Reynolds will be back? Confirmed news?
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 25, 2013 10:10:25 GMT -5
Do you remember earlier we have a spoiler that someone will die in Ep 8? But no one so far. Couldn't mean that bombmaker, right? And Ep 9 is titled don't die on me, so someone gonna die then? Reynolds will be back? Confirmed news? somebody may die or they may not ... please don't die on me could be that somebody survives no confirmation that reynolds will be back just speculation for arc 3
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Post by vincat2013 on Nov 25, 2013 11:32:23 GMT -5
Can't remember which one I read it on, but is it confirmed that Vincent's memories are NEVER coming back??? Was it discussed in this episode???!!!!
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 25, 2013 13:25:50 GMT -5
Can't remember which one I read it on, but is it confirmed that Vincent's memories are NEVER coming back??? Was it discussed in this episode???!!!! my understanding is that his memories are coming back but we will not see them coming back so it will be assumed that he has regianed his memories but there wont be any other memory moments on the show
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Post by andadog on Nov 25, 2013 13:37:07 GMT -5
I just wanted to post this here..I think in spite of everything..We ALL agree that we are PASSIONATE about something we all love Beauty and the Beast - This show got more responses than all others combined. Their fan passion is legendary and actually inspired the article to begin with, so it was hard to narrow the selections down to just 4. You can see all submissions on the link above. BatB airs on Mondays at 9/8 C on the CW. Current episodes are available on Hulu Plus. Season 1 is available on Netflix Streaming. Anne Garcia - Thank you for this opportunity for me to speak about Beauty and the Beast, a show that’s suffering in the ratings. I feel sure that if given the right amount of publicity (and, face it, a less competitive timeslot!) this show would catch on with a wider audience. First it has a terrific balance of humor, action, romance, and sci fi mythology—truly there’s something for everyone. It also has a stunningly diverse cast, which is something in itself that should be celebrated. And it’s a show that spotlights the strength of women, depicting a tough “Beauty” who can do her fair share of saving and who has an equally strong female police partner. That mix is sadly missing in television. The acting is great, the action scenes are tight, and the problems it had coming out of the gate with a few items like choppy editing and plot holes have all been addressed in changes made for the second season. Please help this show get the promotion it deserves! JFrimpong - Do you like romantic comedies or romantic dramas? Do you like watching two people meet and discover what they love about each other and then watching them overcome obstacles to stay together? If any of that appeals to you, I highly, highly recommend the CW's Beauty and the Beast. This show is engaging, intelligent, funny, subtle television. The chemistry between the two leads will make you want to root for them. They will make you care so deeply that their every triumph, every set-back, every joy and heartache will feel like your own. This show is escapism television, and every week I watch, I'm pulled deeper into their lives. I want to know if they'll overcome the odds. I root for them as they navigate life together. What I love about this show is that the writers treat the audience as the smart, TV savvy people that we are. They don't draw out conflict, don't create conflict for no reason, don't break up the leads every fourth episode and don't let misunderstanding linger for weeks on end. The leads talk about their feelings, talk about their assumptions and work out their issues as we all do in our personal lives. And the supporting cast! They bring the funny each week. They are supportive of each other and still bring the real talk. If the leads are acting a fool, you can bet someone on the supporting cast will voice what we're all thinking. There have been times when I'm watching and I think out loud 'wait...what! noo!' And a scene or two later one of the supporting characters has the same reaction and tries to steer the leads in the right direction. I can't say enough good things about this show. Give it a chance, you won't be disappointed. Jules - Beauty and the Beast has evolved from a guilty pleasure show into a pure pleasure. It has improved in Season 2 to be a fast-paced, more tightly written sci-fi/fantasy show that is deepening its mythology while still retaining the romance. The main female protagonist, Catherine Chandler, is a woman of color (half Chinese-half Caucasian) who loves her "beast" but also kicks butt and is a stubborn, opinionated, compassionate woman. There's also a great female friendship between Cat and her cop partner, Tess (which we need to see more of on tv). As for the "beast" part of the show, Vincent can literally turn into a beast but he is conflicted between his old self and the killing machine he was turned into. And the chemistry between beauty and her beast? Sizzling. Seriously. They give you butterflies in your stomach feelings. It's sci-fi, it's romance, and it's all built around the two leads' great chemistry. Also, it probably one of the most diverse casts on television. It's refreshing to see a show set in "New York" actually resemble the diversity of New York. Dani K - I’m not going to gush about how, ‘like, totally AMAZING’ my show is! Or inflate, ‘like, how AWESOME’ everyone and everything is. Because, truthfully, it does have flaws, as do most shows, and I have no intention of creating false expectations. (I imagine you know how it is, once you become invested in a show it's easier to overlook the flaws and see the beauty within.) You may have already watched it. If so, hopefully you will find something in my submission that might make you want to give it another chance. Honestly, when I first heard about the show and saw it advertised I thought about watching it for 2 seconds flat. I made up my mind and that was that. It would come on after one of my shows and I’d quickly turn the channel, prepared to watch reality friggin TV over it! (that’s pretty bad for me! lol) But my mom convinced me, after months of trying, to give it a chance. I thought ‘well, I did talk her into Bones, Arrow, TVD, Rookie Blue, Bates Motel, so I think it’s only fair’. And those are just the ones that she took to, although I still think she missed out on Angel and Alias. So, I turned it on one night. Admittedly I wasn’t into it at first (I still had it in my head I wouldn't like it) and spent most of the episode on my phone. But something caught my attention towards the end and I found myself mildly interested about the next episode. When it came on the next week, I tuned in. By the time the episode was over I felt the insuppressible curiosity to know how this show and its characters had gotten to where it was. So I bit the bullet and bought the iTunes season pass so I could catch up. I marathon watched all the missed episodes and by the time I was caught up I could not believe I had been missing out all that time! I was officially hooked! More so than I have ever been. So, what is it that draws me to this show? I honestly can’t say it’s one thing in particular, but all the elements put together. It’s the characters, and how they make me care about what happens to them. How complex and flawed they are, yet worthy of having their story told. They make me want to be a part of their growth and evolution as the show progresses. The supporting characters, who are equally complex and are actually relevant to the story, not just “fillers”. Ones that, should they meet a terrible demise, I know I'm gonna be pissed! lol But having 'real', compelling characters isn't enough. They need a story and a journey that I will want to explore with them. For this show, it's not about when or how these characters will come together, it's when and how will they overcome these obstacles. Not just physical and emotional obstacles, but outside forces working against them. Never knowing what or who's around the next corner, and how will it affect them and the people around them. Its plot is woven with deceit and truths for us to unravel, making us search and guess at ulterior motives and hidden agendas. Is this person really as bad as we think? Or will they be redeemed yet? And as we all know, every journey has its ups and downs, dark and light moments. It's how they tell these moments that really complete their story lines. In this show, they balance those moments in a dialogue that feels real, not polished with years of journalism that nobody can relate to. I personally, find an episode/show that can make me laugh and cry, have me holding my breath in anticipation until the action amps up, all in one episode, impressive. What I like about the action in this show is that it doesn't always come from a car chase, or a fist fight, or shooting, but when they do use a fight sequence, I am always impressed by the authentic feel it has. And it is certainly refreshing to see a female kicking some ass! As for the mythology/sci-fi tone to it, I really enjoy how they have shifted gears and are using it and telling it from a different perspective than the first season. It's become sort of a tool this season rather than a burden. And as a result has given strength and character to the characters. It's no longer boxing the characters in, but granting them some freedom….but is there a cost to this freedom? And what will be the price? It's the small things too though. The things each actor brings to their character. The tone of their voice, the body language, the use of their eyes (which is always my favourite…..very telling!). To the music. The right song, at the right moment can turn an okay moment into something magnificent. All of these things have together captivated my attention. I know many find the fandom to be….irritating, and I can understand that, since we are all over the internet and can be very vocal, but are, in my experience, extremely welcoming. Unfortunately for us that may turn some viewers away. I believe that it comes from a good place, is motivated by an intense passion and fuelled by the fear that comes with low ratings. Especially since, in my opinion, it is a much better show than it is credited for. I really believe if people were to give it a chance, leaving all their preconceived opinions at the door, many would be pleasantly surprised. Judging from some Reviewers recaps, people are slowly starting to change their minds about this show. I hope it's not too late. Because I truly love it and hope others will too. My show, if you haven't guessed, is Beauty and the Beast. I hope you give it a chance and come to love it as much as I do. I would love to hear your thoughts or answer any questions you might have. Thanks for taking the time to read my submission. I hope it changed your mind. SPOILERTV That first quote they used was mine! (I'm Anne.) I hope it helps us get some viewers.
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Post by bookworm on Nov 25, 2013 16:22:30 GMT -5
I rewatched the ep and found something interesting. When C shoots V, he looks down at the wound, then her, then we see C's face and then the camera zooms in to V's face again. Now this look - first I thought it was shocked and incredulous but then I started to have a strange feeling: What if he just had a memory overload? Like something clicked in his head and boom! The realization hit him like the bullet a few seconds ago...... What if he remembered something about their past? I know B. Kern said something like this is it, so much for his memories coming back, this will no longer be an issue. What if he meant that it already happened we just don't know it yet? Let's say we may learn about it in the next ep or maybe later. I can easily imagine V having clear memories from now on but because he broke C's trust he thinks he doesn't deserve her so he won't tell her. What do you think? Is it a crazy idea? Ok part of my post may belong to the speculation thread, I know. You can move it here if you think it belongs there!
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Post by Beastly Beauty on Nov 25, 2013 16:32:18 GMT -5
I rewatched the ep and found something interesting. When C shoots V, he looks down at the wound, then her, then we see C's face and then the camera zooms in to V's face again. Now this look - first I thought it was shocked and incredulous but then I started to have a strange feeling: What if he just had a memory overload? Like something clicked in his head and boom! The realization hit him like the bullet a few seconds ago...... What if he remembered something about their past? I know B. Kern said something like this is it, so much for his memories coming back, this will no longer be an issue. What if he meant that it already happened we just don't know it yet? Let's say we may learn about it in the next ep or maybe later. I can easily imagine V having clear memories from now on but because he broke C's trust he thinks he doesn't deserve her so he won't tell her. What do you think? Is it a crazy idea? Ok part of my post may belong to the speculation thread, I know. You can move it here if you think it belongs there! That's a sweet idea and I really wanted it to happen, as I'm sure a lot of beasties here do, too, but I don't think it'll happen. I got the impression that they're not interested on bringing Vincent's memories back, that they're really getting rid of Vincent and his past by Brad Kern's interview. He really send the message that they aren't interested about having that past in the story anymore. They didn't go back in bad decisions from the past, including bringing a new Alex to the show, I don't think they'll change their minds on this one, too.
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Post by Mrs Forbes Glass Half Full on Nov 25, 2013 17:05:59 GMT -5
I rewatched the ep and found something interesting. When C shoots V, he looks down at the wound, then her, then we see C's face and then the camera zooms in to V's face again. Now this look - first I thought it was shocked and incredulous but then I started to have a strange feeling: What if he just had a memory overload? Like something clicked in his head and boom! The realization hit him like the bullet a few seconds ago...... What if he remembered something about their past? I know B. Kern said something like this is it, so much for his memories coming back, this will no longer be an issue. What if he meant that it already happened we just don't know it yet? Let's say we may learn about it in the next ep or maybe later. I can easily imagine V having clear memories from now on but because he broke C's trust he thinks he doesn't deserve her so he won't tell her. What do you think? Is it a crazy idea? Ok part of my post may belong to the speculation thread, I know. You can move it here if you think it belongs there! You took the words right out of my mouth Just finished watching the episode and i rewound that part loads of times I thought OMG he just remembered EVERYTHING!!!!!! I know Kern said stuff about V getting his memories back but still!!! That look was shock and something more!!! If I was a betting woman I would put money on it
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Nov 25, 2013 17:16:17 GMT -5
I rewatched the ep and found something interesting. When C shoots V, he looks down at the wound, then her, then we see C's face and then the camera zooms in to V's face again. Now this look - first I thought it was shocked and incredulous but then I started to have a strange feeling: What if he just had a memory overload? Like something clicked in his head and boom! The realization hit him like the bullet a few seconds ago...... What if he remembered something about their past? I know B. Kern said something like this is it, so much for his memories coming back, this will no longer be an issue. What if he meant that it already happened we just don't know it yet? Let's say we may learn about it in the next ep or maybe later. I can easily imagine V having clear memories from now on but because he broke C's trust he thinks he doesn't deserve her so he won't tell her. What do you think? Is it a crazy idea? Ok part of my post may belong to the speculation thread, I know. You can move it here if you think it belongs there! Well I understood from B. Kern's interview that they were not going to explore the return of V.'s memories further past this point, so either it happens here, or it doesn't happen at all. I actually thought it wasn't going to happen at all anymore, but I can see how it is possible that the last memories come back in 2x08. But I am going to say that I LOVE that idea. It feels like a huge missed opportunity if he doesn't get his memories back in a big way at some point. Plus IF he were to get his memories back at this moment it would mean the maximum possible drama. This is the kind of drama I actually love. So much better than anything else that has happened lately.
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Post by curly on Nov 25, 2013 19:50:13 GMT -5
I must admit its in my shipper heart that he remembers everything as a result of the what Cat did to him and then he has to protect Cat from Tori while he is so banged up and then succumbs to the wound in the process thus the next episode title. Do we know if she is in any eps after 10? If she's not I don't get how she just leaves. It has to be by death or or someone choice?
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