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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 12, 2013 12:08:23 GMT -5
Hello everybody!!
During last weeks many of us are raising a few things we are already missing in second season from season 1, things as fundamental as our VinCat magic... And by magic I'm not referring to their chemistry, which is obvious and undeniable but much more than that... The stares, the great lines and convos they had, the longing... many things that made us all fall in love with this show and this couple. And let's be honest, THAT is what made this show a success and created the passionate fan base that BATB currently has.
Few of us also have the feeling that writers might not be receiving enough constructive opinions about Season 2 from beasties and that scare us a bit!
So, I've thought that we could create a specific thread only to state what we are missing and what we are not!, what we like more than in Season 1, etc... Maybe some day writers visit this thread!!
I just wish that we use this thread in a positive and constructive way. My intention with this initiative wasn't to start a campaign against BATB or writers because I will stay loyal and committed to this show until it doesn't air anymore! So no intention of bad vibes or to bash on anyone! So pleeeease, let's try to express our opinion in a constructive way, ok?
Okay! I start with my opinion, already stated in many other threads!:
1. The most important: I'm missing VinCat!!! Chemistry is there because KK and JR can't avoid it!!! But when writers said: "they will get to fall in love all over again"... what did they mean? I'm not seeing it! I need more longing stares, those wonderful silences... those "double meaning" sentences which implied so much... so many emotions to unfold... where is all that???
2. JT!!! What's going on this season with JT? So, Vincent doesn't remember him then we DON'T EITHER??? He's the 2nd best ingredient of this show and they should use Austin Basis talents much more than they are using it so far!!!
3. What's going on with Tess??? In season 1 she was cool, a kick-ass, always supportive to Catherine, and was worried about her own business! Well, this season she has not her own business! Can we give her some distraction and problems of her own? Make her look for like the real BFF of Cat from season 1?
4. Gabe: I like the shady Gabe... not the cheesy Gabe... I know there`s more than its seen but, as Yolie said, 8 episodes arc is TOO MUCH to discover what's happening there!
5. Fast paced episodes, true! but TOO MUCH! on the other hand, again as Yolie said, it seems that arcs takes much longer to unfold! argh! it frustrates a lot!!!
On the other hand, I'm loving Reynolds character, and the actor is great! The mythology... well, I'm still waiting to discover more about that! I hope writers will not screw things up! They have a chance to write a great story but so far I have only seen "the beast of the week"... It's also great the new action scenes and special effects! Edition is also much better! However some more light in some scenes would be appreciated!
Well, I stop here and hope that others feel this thread useful, at least to vent some of our frustration!!!
One last thing! I still remain positive and trust in writers and HOPE many of the things listed above will come back very soon!! (my bet is from ep 9 onwards!) Let's see what happens!
What do you thing Beasties??
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Post by andadog on Nov 12, 2013 12:28:07 GMT -5
I totally agree with all your points Savana. And I also agree that this can be filled with BATB love and also critical at the same time.
Here's what I miss: The secret.
No one knew Vincent was alive and it was this huge secret that tied Cat, JT and Vincent together. Because V was trapped in that secret, they had to have so many talky scenes at the warehouse, and it was in those scenes that we got the magic Savana is talking about.
Now everyone knows about V and he's just buzzing all over town with zero concern about running into anyone from his past or whatever. It takes away the bond, the high degree of anxiety, and the ability to have them all in one room having like conversations and stuff. I feel like the new pacing is very frenetic, like a caffeine-addled mosquito is setting the tone. A scene here. Now a scene there! This character! That character! And there's no real time spent with anyone.
Does that make sense?
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 12, 2013 12:41:50 GMT -5
I totally agree with all your points Savana. And I also agree that this can be filled with BATB love and also critical at the same time. Here's what I miss: The secret. No one knew Vincent was alive and it was this huge secret that tied Cat, JT and Vincent together. Because V was trapped in that secret, they had to have so many talky scenes at the warehouse, and it was in those scenes that we got the magic Savana is talking about. Now everyone knows about V and he's just buzzing all over town with zero concern about running into anyone from his past or whatever. It takes away the bond, the high degree of anxiety, and the ability to have them all in one room having like conversations and stuff. I feel like the new pacing is very frenetic, like a caffeine-addled mosquito is setting the tone. A scene here. Now a scene there! This character! That character! And there's no real time spent with anyone. Does that make sense? It does to me! There's a lack of relationships building this season! There's a lack of REAL relationships, actually! they are too occupied figuring out who they are, or what the other is doing, introducing new characters that disappear in the same episode without a build up of a story! and no one is taking care about relationships between them anymore (except Tess about Gabe and Catherine! )
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 12, 2013 12:45:41 GMT -5
I miss this!!
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Post by batboli on Nov 12, 2013 12:50:33 GMT -5
I am so glad this topic was started I hope some way the writers could see this. I don't get to spend as much time in this forum as I would like to between work and especially now with voting but the little bit I am reading I completely agree with. Like most of us I fell in love with BATB because of VinCat and Jay and Kristin's chemistry. There were plot holes and editing mistakes in season 1 but the heart of what I loved was always there. I am a critical viewer, I even find fault with the Walking Dead but what keeps me coming back is the character driven story lines. I need more substance, more deep conversations, I want to root for Vincent and feel compassion for him like I did in Season 1. One of my many favorite eye contact angst filled conversations that V&C had in season 1 was at the end of Seeing Red. I don't need V&C making out and having sex every episode but I want to see them fighting against everything together. I just tweeted the writers that we need more episodes like Bridesmaid Up because it is the perfect combination of character storyline and action, I hope they read it.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 12, 2013 12:51:18 GMT -5
I completely agree with all that u guys said so I will not repeat what u said.
The theme of this season is Who Am I - maybe it is still very very early in the season and they will start discovering who they are later on, but to me if anything they have gone backwards in terms of understanding who they are as individuals
- vincent? a complete mess, who is he? he has no clue at the moment. - cat? the fact that she found out about her bio dad does not mean she understands who she is - feel like she has actually gone backwards -tess? no comment -j.t. - well he is not even present - gabe?? much better character portrayal in season 1 and it did not take too long either wont comment on the new characters cause they are new basically all characters are a mess at the moment, and i understand it takes time to understand who u are and u need to go backwards but if you keep introducing 500 dangers and 500 new characters how can that self discovery take place? there is no time. we have got how many episodes left? 16? seems like a lot of episodes but really not sure that is enough... they may have put together season 2 with a 10 season plan in mind lol but if we only end up having this one season, it needs to be good
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 12, 2013 12:57:20 GMT -5
what i also miss (and sorry if this has been mentioned) is (and nto sure how to phrase it) the simplicity and naivety of season 1 - i feel like they are trying to do too many things and make this a BIG show, which is great on the one hand,but on the other we have lost somewhat the essence.
i do not see why (once we all voice our views here) we cannot put together a document signed by forum members (i am not a good writers, but we have many in the forum who could put this together) and then send it to the writers. i am sure that is feasible right?
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 12, 2013 13:07:22 GMT -5
what i also miss (and sorry if this has been mentioned) is (and nto sure how to phrase it) the simplicity and naivety of season 1 - i feel like they are trying to do too many things and make this a BIG show, which is great on the one hand,but on the other we have lost somewhat the essence. i do not see why (once we all voice our views here) we cannot put together a document signed by forum members (i am not a good writers, but we have many in the forum who could put this together) and then send it to the writers. i am sure that is feasible right? Well... that's one of the ideas about this thread... as long as we are respectful and constructive, I don't see why not.. let's see what others have to say and then we can decide And I agree... the "naiveness" of the epic love was lovely and what made us all die and swoon... After all, this is a fairy tale based story right? Well... I want a bit more of the fairy tale back and a bit less of contemporary story... I understand that the second is what brings more type of viewers in but at this stage, it seems pretty obvious that we are not getting more viewers (probably because of the "bad" reputation of the show and also because mondays sucks!!)
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Post by wednesday on Nov 12, 2013 13:10:44 GMT -5
Maybe you could also trend something on twitter like bring back the Vincat Magic or Bring back JT. Something to that effect. They'd definitely take notice then!
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Post by stayingwithBATB4ever on Nov 12, 2013 13:18:34 GMT -5
thank you Savana for opening this thread, it'd be great if the writers got to read it
I couldn't agree more with what you've said, I'm not going to repeat it because you have explained the VinCat magic PERFECTLY that is the main thing I'm missing most right now, the writers said they'd fall in love all over again this season...but at this point I don't get it....I know maybe it's too early, Vincent is regaining his memory and I hope once he has it, everything will become amazing...but..I don't know, after watching episode 6, I must admit I'm worried about that magic being lost...or at least, not being as strong as it was in S1 and agree with you too andadog, I miss the 'secret' thing so much, it gave the show so much mistery...loved the fact only Catherine and JT knew he was alive, the three of them sharing this big secret, loved it
and ok, I understand they wanted to do some changes in the show...you cannot do all the seasons the same, I get it, but maybe things have got somewhat out of hand...maybe the changes are being 'too big'
about the rest of characters I agree with Anapi, JT is one of the most importants and he is not even present...and Tess....loved what you said, no comments!
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Post by stayingwithBATB4ever on Nov 12, 2013 13:39:42 GMT -5
Maybe you could also trend something on twitter like bring back the Vincat Magic or Bring back JT. Something to that effect. They'd definitely take notice then! yes! good idea, or..could it be possible everyone out there (not it the forum I mean) noticed about this thread? maybe the writers would see it...and more people would join and write their viewpoints too, and we'd make some noise, for what I'm reading on Twitter, lots of fans will agree with what it's being said here...
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Post by bbat on Nov 12, 2013 14:02:20 GMT -5
I will sign every word that has been said here!
I'd like to add maybe,
one of the most beautiful things last season was how Vincent and Catherine got closer from episode to episode and to watch their growing connection.
Although they started at point zero this season and V is slowly getting his memories back, they seem to drift apart from each other more and more from episode to episode. (It was most apparent at the end of episode 5)
I understand the reasons for it, and that it is all a part of the big storyarc they planned for S02 (before they can get back together, they will need to get apart), and I like the story mostly.
But they will need to show the viewers that the “pull” is still there, or they will become impatient and loose interest, before V and Cat can reach the turning point again. A little scene now and there with a little kiss is not enough. It doesn't even need to be physical contact, but they need to make the longing for each other more evident. I can see it from Vincents side to some degrees, but not so much from Cat at the moment.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 12, 2013 14:23:19 GMT -5
I will sign every word that has been said here! I'd like to add maybe, one of the most beautiful things last season was how Vincent and Catherine got closer from episode to episode and to watch their growing connection. Although they started at point zero this season and V is slowly getting his memories back, they seem to drift apart from each other more and more from episode to episode. (It was most apparent at the end of episode 5) I understand the reasons for it, and that it is all a part of the big storyarc they planned for S02 (before they can get back together, they will need to get apart), and I like the story mostly. But they will need to show the viewers that the “pull” is still there, or they will become impatient and loose interest, before V and Cat can reach the turning point again. A little scene now and there with a little kiss is not enough. It doesn't even need to be physical contact, but they need to make the longing for each other more evident. I can see it from Vincents side to some degrees, but not so much from Cat at the moment.Agree 1000%!!
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Post by wednesday on Nov 12, 2013 14:57:04 GMT -5
Maybe you could also trend something on twitter like bring back the Vincat Magic or Bring back JT. Something to that effect. They'd definitely take notice then! yes! good idea, or..could it be possible everyone out there (not it the forum I mean) noticed about this thread? maybe the writers would see it...and more people would join and write their viewpoints too, and we'd make some noise, for what I'm reading on Twitter, lots of fans will agree with what it's being said here... I don't care what we have to do! We need to roar until the writers are deaf to fix this before they lose anymore viewers! Bring back the magic, love and the passion! Call me impatient, but I don't care!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 15:44:24 GMT -5
I will sign every word that has been said here! I'd like to add maybe, one of the most beautiful things last season was how Vincent and Catherine got closer from episode to episode and to watch their growing connection. Although they started at point zero this season and V is slowly getting his memories back, they seem to drift apart from each other more and more from episode to episode. (It was most apparent at the end of episode 5) I understand the reasons for it, and that it is all a part of the big storyarc they planned for S02 (before they can get back together, they will need to get apart), and I like the story mostly. But they will need to show the viewers that the “pull” is still there, or they will become impatient and loose interest, before V and Cat can reach the turning point again. A little scene now and there with a little kiss is not enough. It doesn't even need to be physical contact, but they need to make the longing for each other more evident. I can see it from Vincents side to some degrees, but not so much from Cat at the moment. I'm on the same page with everyone's comments but just had to chime in on your post, bbat. I think you've hit the nail on the head that what worked last season but isn't working well this season is that their connection seems to be regressing instead of growing. I was willing to be patient in S1 with the romance because it felt like each episode moved us forward and got us a little closer. And, like you mentioned, it wasn't necessarily the kissing (though not complaining about that ) but the lingering looks, small touches, eye contact... It was like a wonderful tease each week, which we knew would eventually pay off. This season, the only reason I know it's eventually going to pay off is because the writers tell us it is--judging from what I'm seeing on screen, I'd never believe it otherwise. There's nothing from V or C (especially C, I agree) that shows me (yes, they tell me but I want to see it) that these people really want to be together and are falling in love all over again. The almost cursory kisses at the beginning and/or end of every episode feel like "check off the box" moments where the writers say, "Okay, everyone wants romance so let's get that out of the way and move on to the action shots..." For me, BATB's action is the subplot and the romance is the core. I get the sense that the writers feel the opposite... So my ideas would be similar to most everyone else's: - BRING BACK THE CHEMISTRY: Don't think tossing in a kiss at the beginning or end of the ep is enough. These two actors sizzle on screen together. Take advantage--it's the best asset this show has, the reason a lot of people watch, and it's currently being totally wasted. I refuse to believe that there isn't a way to create tension and action without having to sacrifice the core draw of the show.
- MORE JT / REFOCUS TESS: I think the reason a lot of us are missing JT so much isn't only because he's comedic relief (king of the one liners for sure) but also because he brings warmth to Vincent. There's no real warmth between any of the characters right now and it makes the whole show feel flat/one dimensional. Similar note with Tess--I really liked her in S1 because she had spunk and was the dose of reality Catherine needed. Now she's just annoying and there's no reason for that. Tess is awesome, so give her something to do aside from obsessing over Gabe's feelings for Cat.
- LESS GABE: I thought Gabe was fine last year in limited doses. This year he bugs, not just because he's on screen too often but because his scenes are always the same. It's fine to drop hints that he may have a hidden agenda, but enough already--move forward, please. Hopefully once we get past this part of the arc with the "new monster every week", Gabe and the others can move into a different mode because it's starting to feel like I'm watching a variation of the same episode every week:
- Cat Daddy calls V with intel--doesn't have all the details
- V finds and kills a beast
- V propositions C, short kiss, C makes excuse to push V away
- Gabe reminds us that his #1 objective is to save V for C
- Tess reminds us that she thinks Gabe is in love with C
- JT wallows in obscurity
- Lather, rinse, repeat
Having said all that, I'm still really optimistic about this show because I refuse not to be!
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