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Post by condor on Jan 29, 2014 17:54:50 GMT -5
Finally, Tess gets a part to play. Now all I need is more JT.
And they're all going to work together to find the gem? That should be fun. Reminds me of Scooby Doo for some reason, maybe I'm just weird...
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Post by raniamahd on Jan 29, 2014 17:55:07 GMT -5
Has this become tit for tat? Reynolds is pretty much a non-factor as far as I'm concerned. Catherine was raised by Vanessa and Thomas Chandler. For reasons unknown, her mother never told her about her birth father, or mentioned that she was performing some pretty unspeakable experiments on human beings, and said birth father had no impact or influence on Catherine's life until she learned about him this season and she is what...almost 30? So...no, I can't get on board with Catherine's failure to understand why Vincent might have a totally different point of view when it came to dealing with Reynolds, one that didn't have anything to do with her, and wasn't thinking like old Vincent (who hadn't been captured like a wild animal and flown off to who knows where, where who knows what happened to him for three months). I don't think that Catherine is carrying Vanessa's sins or Reynolds' sins on her shoulders. Why should she? I do think that failing to recognize that the relationship trauma she has been subjected to since Vincent was abducted, brainwashed and apparently experimented on again is nothing compared to what Vincent has suffered at the hands of her mother and sperm donor. I think it's healthy that Vincent has finally voiced his pain and bitterness because maybe now he can deal with getting himself back on track. no , Cat carries her mother's fault over her shoulder and that was clear in s1 /e8+20 , how many time she said she can't forgive her for lie , keeping secrets and most of all working with the people who ruined Vincent's life ? and he was the one who always defended her , saying she cared for them , try to help and even was a victim of M like them ? and if it was enough to know that hard truth about her mom , now she knew her bio father is even worse ? the hurt a lot , because every body wants to think their parents are perfect people especially a sensitive woman like Cat and now to slap Cat in her face with those hateful words ? he almost said all your family are evil and you are just evil like them that is why you shot me ! and that is completely unfair because he know very well that Cat never meant to hurt him or any body and that her call in life is to help and save people like his call used to be ! so i don't get why hurting Cat like that is so satisfied for some people or most important how could that help V getting back on track ? the only defense i could give him is he is not in his right mind now and talk and act out of his anger and denial otherwise he could never consider it an option not even for a second to just walk away and let innocent people( including the woman who was less then a month ago the love of his life ) face death while he can help ! so when he got back on track and be in his right mind again i suppose he would have so much to apology for and i hope those heartless words will be one of those things !!
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Post by riv on Jan 29, 2014 18:12:35 GMT -5
Comment 1) Someone commented this below, between the dotted lines. My response to this comment is below the 2nd dotted line. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- okay - when Tess was about to be killed, Vincent had Tori slung over his shoulder like a sack of potatoes - he never carried Catherine like that
I am sorry but when did Vincent have Tori slung over his shoulder, I don't remember seeing that happening in this episode. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My response to comment number 1 is >I am sorry but when did Vincent have Tori slung over his shoulder? I don't remember seeing that happening in this episode.
Comment 2) Also another person commented this below, between the dotted lines. My response to this comment is below the dotted line in bold lettering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I also dont know how I feel about them using DNA to explain the connection between the two of them. The more I think about it the more I hope they dont go down that road. I know its a scifi show, but it would be nice to think that their connection was more romantic than just DNA. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree to the above 2nd comment.
Also off subject.
I am honestly having trouble figuring out, how to reply to peoples post and quoting their comments in order for me to respond to them along with doing the bold lettering and etc. Also when I click on reply and use copy and paste, this site won't let me paste the whole things that I selected along with typing my responses to the comments that I see here. It is very frustrating trying to figure this out and I see that many on here are able to do this, and I can't.
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Post by riv on Jan 29, 2014 18:24:35 GMT -5
I am sorry, I have to disagree with this comment>(including the woman who was less then a month ago the love of his life ).
C hasn't been the love of V life for months. ( way more then less then a month ago). He was taken for 3 months, had his memories erased and now according to BK, his memories have returned but that doesn't seem apparent to me from watching any of season 2, especially, in episode 8, when V crashed Cat's car without a care, to, find out, if she was all right or not, because he was too busy, taking out revenge on bio dad. I am sorry, but C hasn't been the love of V's life in months and hasn't been since the season finale of season 1.
And that is, what is desperately missing this season. He might have been attracted to her before episode 7 or in the beginning of episode 7, but that is different from being the love of someone's life. He made that clear when he kissed Tori and then crashed Cat's car. I am still not over, V pushing C either from episode 2.
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Post by raniamahd on Jan 29, 2014 18:53:03 GMT -5
I am sorry, I have to disagree with this comment>(including the woman who was less then a month ago the love of his life ). C hasn't been the love of V life for months. ( way more then less then a month ago). He was taken for 3 months, had his memories erased and now according to BK, his memories have returned but that doesn't seem apparent to me from watching any of season 2, especially, in episode 8, when V crashed Cat's car without a care, to, find out, if she was all right or not, because he was too busy, taking out revenge on bio dad. I am sorry, but C hasn't been the love of V's life in months and hasn't been since the season finale of season 1. And that is, what is desperately missing this season. He might have been attracted to her before episode 7 or in the beginning of episode 7, but that is different from being the love of someone's life. He made that clear when he kissed Tori and then crashed Cat's car. I am still not over, V pushing C either from episode 2. i said that over and over : i don't feel in the whole season 2 that Vincent really loves Cat , i even start to doubt he ever loved her the way and as much she loved him ! when i wrote this word (including the woman who was less then a month ago the love of his life ) i write it wrong ? i suppose to say( the woman who he claimed to be in love with her ) or ( the woman who was once the love of his life ) i meant V acts like Cat betrayed their love and choose her bio dad over him , as if he is the one really loved her and she is the one walk away from that love ,when she choose to have some space from him in e4 he said he wants to remember her more than any thing , in e8 he asked her if there is still(us) ,so he almost claimed he is in love with her ! he has his memory back now and should remember his epic love for her from season one if it is ever true , so no excuse for him ! but still he was considering to walk away and let her with the innocent people face death so my point it that is not a man in his right mind at all !
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Post by Jubilant Judi on Jan 29, 2014 19:00:50 GMT -5
Comment 1) Someone commented this below, between the dotted lines. My response to this comment is below the 2nd dotted line. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- okay - when Tess was about to be killed, Vincent had Tori slung over his shoulder like a sack of potatoes - he never carried Catherine like that I am sorry but when did Vincent have Tori slung over his shoulder, I don't remember seeing that happening in this episode. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My response to comment number 1 is >I am sorry but when did Vincent have Tori slung over his shoulder? I don't remember seeing that happening in this episode. Comment 2) Also another person commented this below, between the dotted lines. My response to this comment is below the dotted line in bold lettering. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I also dont know how I feel about them using DNA to explain the connection between the two of them. The more I think about it the more I hope they dont go down that road. I know its a scifi show, but it would be nice to think that their connection was more romantic than just DNA. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree to the above 2nd comment. Also off subject. I am honestly having trouble figuring out, how to reply to peoples post and quoting their comments in order for me to respond to them along with doing the bold lettering and etc. Also when I click on reply and use copy and paste, this site won't let me paste the whole things that I selected along with typing my responses to the comments that I see here. It is very frustrating trying to figure this out and I see that many on here are able to do this, and I can't. When the baddie shot the gun and then held it to Tess - they show Vincent hearing the shot - we see Tori's butt - she is slung over Vincent's left shoulder like a sack of potatoes
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Post by riv on Jan 29, 2014 19:24:21 GMT -5
Also if V has his memory back then how come he doesn't seem to remember that Gabe tried to kill him when he was in beast form from season 1 finale? (Gabe being the one in beast form)
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Post by raniamahd on Jan 29, 2014 19:33:40 GMT -5
Also if V has his memory back then how come he doesn't seem to remember that Gabe tried to kill him when he was in beast form from season 1 finale? (Gabe being the one in beast form) he remember that Gabe try to kill him , in their scene in the boat he told him he didn't trust any one of them and when Gabe said (i just saved your life) V replay (you try to kill me ) so yes it is confirmed from the show makers that he got almost all his memories back
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Post by riv on Jan 29, 2014 19:51:44 GMT -5
When did Gabe say (I just saved your life) and what did Gabe save V's life from? They came to take Tori in to the police station for questioning about her gem. How is that qualify for Gabe saving V's life? I am sorry, but did we watch the same episode concerning Held Hostage? I am a bit confused. I am not trying to attack you with my comment either. I am just not following your last comment.
I will go back and re watch the episode, to see what I had missed. Since, it seems that, I had missed somethings.
Ok, I take back my last comment. I just saw that scene where they had that conversation and I had forgotten about this scene, so he does remember Gabe trying to kill him.
Sorry, my fault for not paying closer attention.
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Post by ArwenFan on Jan 29, 2014 21:02:56 GMT -5
Has this become tit for tat? Reynolds is pretty much a non-factor as far as I'm concerned. Catherine was raised by Vanessa and Thomas Chandler. For reasons unknown, her mother never told her about her birth father, or mentioned that she was performing some pretty unspeakable experiments on human beings, and said birth father had no impact or influence on Catherine's life until she learned about him this season and she is what...almost 30? So...no, I can't get on board with Catherine's failure to understand why Vincent might have a totally different point of view when it came to dealing with Reynolds, one that didn't have anything to do with her, and wasn't thinking like old Vincent (who hadn't been captured like a wild animal and flown off to who knows where, where who knows what happened to him for three months). I don't think that Catherine is carrying Vanessa's sins or Reynolds' sins on her shoulders. Why should she? I do think that failing to recognize that the relationship trauma she has been subjected to since Vincent was abducted, brainwashed and apparently experimented on again is nothing compared to what Vincent has suffered at the hands of her mother and sperm donor. I think it's healthy that Vincent has finally voiced his pain and bitterness because maybe now he can deal with getting himself back on track. no , Cat carries her mother's fault over her shoulder and that was clear in s1 /e8+20 , how many time she said she can't forgive her for lie , keeping secrets and most of all working with the people who ruined Vincent's life ? and he was the one who always defended her , saying she cared for them , try to help and even was a victim of M like them ? and if it was enough to know that hard truth about her mom , now she knew her bio father is even worse ? the hurt a lot , because every body wants to think their parents are perfect people especially a sensitive woman like Cat and now to slap Cat in her face with those hateful words ? he almost said all your family are evil and you are just evil like them that is why you shot me ! and that is completely unfair because he know very well that Cat never meant to hurt him or any body and that her call in life is to help and save people like his call used to be ! so i don't get why hurting Cat like that is so satisfied for some people or most important how could that help V getting back on track ? the only defense i could give him is he is not in his right mind now and talk and act out of his anger and denial otherwise he could never consider it an option not even for a second to just walk away and let innocent people( including the woman who was less then a month ago the love of his life ) face death while he can help ! so when he got back on track and be in his right mind again i suppose he would have so much to apology for and i hope those heartless words will be one of those things !!
My read of the entire situation is the polar opposite of yours, so I there's not much more for me to say on the subject. Cheers. (We need a drinking smiley.)
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Post by ArwenFan on Jan 29, 2014 21:30:57 GMT -5
Also if V has his memory back then how come he doesn't seem to remember that Gabe tried to kill him when he was in beast form from season 1 finale? (Gabe being the one in beast form) he remember that Gabe try to kill him , in their scene in the boat he told him he didn't trust any one of them and when Gabe said (i just saved your life) V replay (you try to kill me ) so yes it is confirmed from the show makers that he got almost all his memories back
This is another thing I have a problem with (the part in red). Most of a television shows' viewers aren't hanging out on line or following the writers' every idiotic word on Twitter, so if they don't make it clear on the screen what's going on with any given character or explain said character's motivations, whatever they babble about behind the scenes doesn't count. I find it very annoying that we don't know exactly what Vincent remembers and I think it's just another way for Brad Kern and company to play fast and loose with canon (i.e. everything that happened BB [before Brad]). That being said, I'm left with my interpretation of what V remembers based on what's been presented in the episodes. I think V has memories with huge holes in them and I don't believe he remembers his love for Catherine. I will never believe (even in his altered state) that he would be as cold and harsh with Catherine as he's been if he did. My take on V's position...he was in recovery right up to the disastrous Thanksgiving dinner at Bob's house. What I mean by that is he had gained enough memory of Catherine that he was willing to trust her and give the relationship a shot (all the while hoping that everything he'd lost would come back). Then things got crosswise with Bob forcing him out of Catherine's life, Tori revealing her inner beast and Bob's part in Vincent's abduction coming to light. Any one of these things on its own would have thrown Vincent for a loop after his "conditioning," but all of them happening together had an extremely negative effect on Vincent. So, when Cat made the apprehension of Bob about them--completely ignoring the rage Vincent rightly felt--and shot Vincent (almost killing him), all bets were off. At least for Vincent. From his POV Catherine had shown her true colors. She'd professed her love for him, but had shot him to protect her "father," the very man who had damaged him severely. Add that to his resentment over being turned into a beast in the first place (by her mother) and yeah, I can see why Vincent no longer trusts Catherine anymore than he trusts Gabe or Tess.
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Post by riv on Jan 29, 2014 22:28:17 GMT -5
I don't believe V remembers his love for Cat either. It is like Vincent is a robot having images of memories flashes in his mind, (as if, someone planted the memories in his mind) and without the emotion attached to it and without the real memories to back it up. That is how it seems to me.
Catherine never professed her love to Vincent that I can remember. He confessed his love for her in season one. She stated to Vincent that they belonged together and that they were a couple, when she first found him in the beginning of season 2. I don't remember one episode where Catherine said to Vincent "I love you".
And don't forget that Vincent could of killed Cat too, when he crashed her car to get revenge on her bio dad. Did V check to see if Cat was all right? NO! And that was before Catherine had shot him. He chose his beast side over reasoning, to not kill her bio dad and let the police do their job to arrest him.
They both did each other wrong. Sounds to me that the epic love between them is gone.
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Post by ArwenFan on Jan 29, 2014 22:29:44 GMT -5
I found this review good, my favorite parts sono Cat and Vincent - I’m sorry but every single time they’re on screen together, the body language speaks louder than actual words coming out of their mouths. I chalked it up to everyone loathing the pairing that is Gatherine/Gat. Not to mention that I just never feel any sexual chemistry between the two ever. Tori is the worst beast ever. I could forgive her is she was younger but supposedly she is around Cat’s age, so no pass for her. She’s so obsessed with Vincent that all her critical thinking skills go right out the window. I predict that will be her downfall. Okay, I read Lilith's review. Here are my snarky comments.... Gatherine/Gat - This is a trend that needs to end ASAP. It's lazy and stupid, not to mention it was neither clever nor cute the first time it was trotted out. Bennifer anyone? As much as Nina killed it in this episode - what exactly is this observation based on? With few exceptions, Nina has always been one of the weak links in the cast because Tess is such a waste. Best Character Interactions: I wish they didn’t have to be enemies and Tori could have served as a kid sister because whenever these two are together - Is she for real? Cat had a bratty sister, she doesn't need another one. Favorite Moments - None of hers were mine. Grievances: Heather hasn’t called Cat out on her Vincent Zalanski story. I’m going to need that phone call before the season is over. - Seriously? SERIOUSLY!?
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Post by ArwenFan on Jan 29, 2014 22:41:51 GMT -5
I don't believe V remember his love for Cat either. It is like Vinent is a robot having images of memories flashes in his mind without the emotion attached to it and without the real memories to back it up. It is like someone planted the memories in his brain. That is how it seems to me. Catherine never professed her love to Vincent that I can remember. He confessed his love for her in season one. She stated to Vincent that they belonged together and that they were a couple, when she first found him in the beginning of season 2. I don't remember one episode that Catherine said to Vincent "I love you".And don't forget that Vincent could of killed Cat too, when he crashed her car to get revenge on her bio dad. Did V check to see if Cat was all right NO and that was before Catherine had shot him. He chose his beast side over reasoning to not kill her bio dad. Okay, what part of Catherine's actions and conversation during the first part of this season failed to convey that she loved Vincent? I guess I'm missing how this factors into my post about Vincent's POV.Fact: Regular people can be pushed to do horrendous (monstrous) acts when wronged and seeking revenge. Vincent is far from regular, so of course his beast is going to be provoked when he feels anger. Honestly, Vincent wanting to kill Reynolds in that moment was very human behind a beastly exterior.
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Post by riv on Jan 29, 2014 22:58:54 GMT -5
Yes, that was a normal reaction for Vincent to FEEL that way. But if all mankind ACTED on their feelings, we either would all be in jail by now and or there would be a bloody battle with very few survivors in this world. Vincent didn't fight the feeling. We can't let feelings rule our actions. But this is a Tv show , so I guess anything goes. It is just that it is killing the heart and soul of this show by destroying the epic love. I just think there could have been a better way for that plot to be handled then it was.
Catherine's character is all over the place, she might have gone out of her way to protect Vincent, but her dialogue has issues and hypocrisy in them. I don't remember Catherine ever telling Vincent that she is in love with him. She has done things to protect him, stated that they belong together, but I see so much inconsistencies with her dialogue.
BTW, I wasn't trying to attack you with my comments, so please try to relax. I was just stating my opinions like everyone else. No hard feelings.
Just because I am not liking the characters this season, doesn't mean, I have lost interest in the show, because if that was the case, I wouldn't be wasting my time on these forums. I am still interested, but just very disappointed with the show this season.
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