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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 6:53:51 GMT -5
Best episode this season and the last 1/3 of season 1. IMO So infuriated on how long it took them to get here. Perfectly good waste of screen time on some crap prior to this ep. Sooo much was unnecessary. Do not like that Gabe will still be waiting off in the wings for Cat though. I finally can stomach Tess this season, Yay!!! Didn't like that Vincat was OK with being friendly. Liked Vincent as the hero and think Cat did too. It means a lot more that people can see him and know him as one instead of him being in total hiding. I liked how they covered and manipulated the She beast. It actually seemed plausible and transitioned smoothly. I kinda wish he did hear Cats rant though and I love when he teases her. I think her comment about coming to help on his own was suppose to reference him coming around to himself sooner that later. So I hope that happens. Still not getting this whole primal thing but did Cat actually admit to Tori that she was jealous before she realized how it was affecting her. I gotta rewatch that again. It kinda seems that Cat really believes something is going on with Tori and Vincent in some way but then knows he is using her too. Confused by that. I hate to admit it but this will be the 1st episode this season I will watch a 2nd time. Overall I'm in a better state than yesterday when it comes to The possibility of getting some romance back. Looking more promising. Regarding the parts highlighted in red, indeed, a complete waste of screen time with pure crap!! Don't they want fans to be happy and satisfied with each episode and want us to want to watch each episode countless times? I am amazed how many chances they took knowing that they could alienate many fans. They knew we wouldn't be happy about Tori, so why even waste so much time with that? Tori is in 7 episodes - I am still wondering what her role is in all of this. Instead of having her in so many episodes, I wish they would have given more important characters like JT and Tess some more screen time.
I didn't like Vincent and Catherine's 'cool' interaction; as though they didn't share a deep love. They were like strangers. I expected them to be awkward around each other, not knowing how to act around one another because of what they had once shared and knowing that they are no longer together. They do want fans to be happy. Problem is the fans they wanted to please were the ones they 1st aimed this season for. S1's fans were irrelevant. They took us for granted and/or assumed that the new fans would make the old fans dispensable. My guess is the latter.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jan 29, 2014 7:01:57 GMT -5
BRAVO let me add one thing sis , to all who feel Cat should feel guilty or responsible for her bio father's fault, and to V of course ? Cat was Bob's first victim you know ? what father could abandon his daughter like that ? involved with people killed her mother and maybe her real dad too ? lies to her , deceives her , uses her to get to V , play God with her life ?! are all that easy for her ? if she should feel V's pain , shouldn't he in return feel how does it look like to have parents like those ? all they did is playing with her life ?! to carry their sins on her shoulder?! to feel betrayed by your own parents ?! and he knows very well how she felt when she knew the truth about her mother , but i guess beating her up and hurting her because of their sins would make every thing better for him or remove the damage they did to him Has this become tit for tat? Reynolds is pretty much a non-factor as far as I'm concerned. Catherine was raised by Vanessa and Thomas Chandler. For reasons unknown, her mother never told her about her birth father, or mentioned that she was performing some pretty unspeakable experiments on human beings, and said birth father had no impact or influence on Catherine's life until she learned about him this season and she is what...almost 30? So...no, I can't get on board with Catherine's failure to understand why Vincent might have a totally different point of view when it came to dealing with Reynolds, one that didn't have anything to do with her, and wasn't thinking like old Vincent (who hadn't been captured like a wild animal and flown off to who knows where, where who knows what happened to him for three months). I don't think that Catherine is carrying Vanessa's sins or Reynolds' sins on her shoulders. Why should she? I do think that failing to recognize that the relationship trauma she has been subjected to since Vincent was abducted, brainwashed and apparently experimented on again is nothing compared to what Vincent has suffered at the hands of her mother and sperm donor. I think it's healthy that Vincent has finally voiced his pain and bitterness because maybe now he can deal with getting himself back on track.
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Post by katiebeast S3 <3 on Jan 29, 2014 7:06:41 GMT -5
Regarding the parts highlighted in red, indeed, a complete waste of screen time with pure crap!! Don't they want fans to be happy and satisfied with each episode and want us to want to watch each episode countless times? I am amazed how many chances they took knowing that they could alienate many fans. They knew we wouldn't be happy about Tori, so why even waste so much time with that? Tori is in 7 episodes - I am still wondering what her role is in all of this. Instead of having her in so many episodes, I wish they would have given more important characters like JT and Tess some more screen time.
I didn't like Vincent and Catherine's 'cool' interaction; as though they didn't share a deep love. They were like strangers. I expected them to be awkward around each other, not knowing how to act around one another because of what they had once shared and knowing that they are no longer together. They do want fans to be happy. Problem is the fans they wanted to please were the ones they 1st aimed this season for. S1's fans were irrelevant. They took us for granted and/or assumed that the new fans would make the old fans dispensable. My guess is the latter.I don't completely agree with this... I think they genuinly wanted to make a better series. Yes, they migth have taken us for granted, but more in the sense of that we'd love the second season no matter what. Not in the sense that they found us dispensible. And although I love and adore and love and did I mention love the first season, I have to admit that I find that the second season has more potential and is more interesting outside of the love story. I agree that they might have done the execution better, but the idea was sound. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if there never was that beautifully romantic first season...
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Post by Ilaria on Jan 29, 2014 8:13:10 GMT -5
I found this review good, my favorite parts sono Cat and Vincent - I’m sorry but every single time they’re on screen together, the body language speaks louder than actual words coming out of their mouths. I chalked it up to everyone loathing the pairing that is Gatherine/Gat. Not to mention that I just never feel any sexual chemistry between the two ever. Tori is the worst beast ever. I could forgive her is she was younger but supposedly she is around Cat’s age, so no pass for her. She’s so obsessed with Vincent that all her critical thinking skills go right out the window. I predict that will be her downfall.
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Post by jemangela on Jan 29, 2014 9:15:58 GMT -5
For me, it just looks like they have changed the original script and are trying to tie up all the loose ends and deliver this nicely packaged present, complete with a pink bow and that totally freaks me out cause it screams, this is the end, no Season 3....oh man, water works alert I'm still excited about this episode and I'm going to live outside my over active mind for a while before I make myself sick with worry To be honest, based on all the bad decisions Brad Kern made in SEason 2, I wouldn't want a SEason 3. Can you imagine, if Season 3 was guaranteed how far Vincent and Tori's relationship would go in this season 2? They would have certainly shown them kissing (as in the pictures that were released last week that were cut from the episode). And who knows what else. And Catherine and Gabe might have been an item too.
So can you imagine what they would have in store for fans if there was a season 3? How far would they take it this time? They already crossed so many lines in Season 2, so they would most likely cross more lines if given a Season 3.
The thought of not getting a 3rd season makes me so profoundly sad it's causing me physical pain :'(but if the threat of imminent cancellation forced TPTB to change the script etc, I can only hope that the remaining episodes would be so awesome and resonate with viewers enough to get us a 3rd season and then "dear" Brad Kern can do the whole "Who are we?" theme with Catherine and Vincent....together...forever and ever Amen! ...
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Post by jemangela on Jan 29, 2014 9:42:47 GMT -5
For me, it just looks like they have changed the original script and are trying to tie up all the loose ends and deliver this nicely packaged present, complete with a pink bow and that totally freaks me out cause it screams, this is the end, no Season 3....oh man, water works alert I'm still excited about this episode and I'm going to live outside my over active mind for a while before I make myself sick with worry To be honest, based on all the bad decisions Brad Kern made in SEason 2, I wouldn't want a SEason 3. Can you imagine, if Season 3 was guaranteed how far Vincent and Tori's relationship would go in this season 2? They would have certainly shown them kissing (as in the pictures that were released last week that were cut from the episode). And who knows what else. And Catherine and Gabe might have been an item too.
So can you imagine what they would have in store for fans if there was a season 3? How far would they take it this time? They already crossed so many lines in Season 2, so they would most likely cross more lines if given a Season 3.
Ok, after watching this episode for the umpteenth time (oh yah, crazy obsessed ), I think I know where the arm in arm thing would have occurred ...check out Catherine's face from 41.11 - 41.13, her face kind of fell there for a sec or 2 like she was seeing something unpleasant, for lack of a better word... However, I'm taking a leaf out of beastiegirl.happy.puppy's book...if it wasn't in the episode, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
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Post by icebeastie on Jan 29, 2014 9:44:54 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if there never was that beautifully romantic first season... [/quote] You would have gotten Season 2 with minor dialogue changes that Cat and JT haven't spent the summer looking for Vincent!
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Post by katiebeast S3 <3 on Jan 29, 2014 10:19:35 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if there never was that beautifully romantic first season... [/quote] You would have gotten Season 2 with minor dialogue changes that Cat and JT haven't spent the summer looking for Vincent! I don't think so, because the writers wouldn't have needed the first few 9 episodes to completely obliterate VinCat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 10:38:05 GMT -5
okay - when Tess was about to be killed, Vincent had Tori slung over his shoulder like a sack of potatoes - he never carried Catherine like that - someone else said - it is Vincent that needs to learn the moral lesson, not Tori - I think she is too far gone at this point - she has gone to the dark side with no interest in returning - Vincent is risking her life - doesn't she realize it? - she just follows him around clinging for dear life - he has been a beast for at least a decade - also he is a trained soldier - she would not survive a beast on beast brawl - Vincent can't teach a spoiled brat that - the military does it by breaking you down before they put you back together their way - Tori wouldn't survive it - she is trying to separate him from everything that keeps him grounded - human - she is so out of her league - Vincent's anger is abating - the fog she kept him in is diminishing and she is losing him - and from the way she verbally attacked Catherine - she knows it - when she realizes that Catherine and Vincent are working together and their feelings for each other are increasing - she will cause more trouble I have lost interest in her - my anger has abated with Vincent's fog - and disappeared - I don't care what they do with her - stop wasting screen time on her - but she has caused trouble, I don't think she will have a pleasant end - whatever You're so right, I hadn't noticed that. Yes, Vincent never carried Catherine like that, not even in episode 1 when he didn't know her. It really shows that Vincent doesn't have any special consideration towards Tori. Which leads me again to the same question: why is he still associated with her?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 10:44:12 GMT -5
Yah but it really annoys me when they show these clips and pics that rile us up and then never see the light of day when the episode airs...it leaves me wondering where exactly those scenes would've been slotted and this particular one leaves me stumped because it looks like it would've been right at the end when Vincent takes Tori home...like The way it looks to me, they probably had 2 completely different scenarios - 1) with Vincent and Tori having a relationship because this is the way they wanted it to go initially and if fans liked Tori and 2) VinTori not in a relationship whether it be because of fans outrage over Tori or word of cancellation, in that case, they have to bring VinCat back together. So they shot many different scenes and maybe got some mixed up in the promo, hence Vincent and Tori walking arm in arm. By the way, I almost didn't watch the episode because of that scene Nope, I don't think so. If you go back, it's pretty clear that ToriCent happened. Vincent is all about justifying himself to her and accepting her "us, we, together, our future" without even looking at her funny. The changes were made exclusively on the editing room. Even the promos leak the real situation. The changes on the scripts were made only from episode 13, possibly episode 12 on. They changed the story's original plan because they failed to bring new viewers. If the show had "succeded", we would have be presented with the most beautiful "beastial romance" ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 10:49:45 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if there never was that beautifully romantic first season... I don't know what would have happened if they started the story the way it is today. I can assure you, though, that I wouldn't be a beastie if that was the case. If the story had started with Mr Kern as the main show runner, as he's today, it would have started with Vincent, the robot and, most probably, Tori, the useless character, fighting Catherine, the woman without identity. Nothing interesting there.
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Jan 29, 2014 16:24:57 GMT -5
The way it looks to me, they probably had 2 completely different scenarios - 1) with Vincent and Tori having a relationship because this is the way they wanted it to go initially and if fans liked Tori and 2) VinTori not in a relationship whether it be because of fans outrage over Tori or word of cancellation, in that case, they have to bring VinCat back together. So they shot many different scenes and maybe got some mixed up in the promo, hence Vincent and Tori walking arm in arm. By the way, I almost didn't watch the episode because of that scene Nope, I don't think so. If you go back, it's pretty clear that ToriCent happened. Vincent is all about justifying himself to her and accepting her "us, we, together, our future" without even looking at her funny. The changes were made exclusively on the editing room. Even the promos leak the real situation. The changes on the scripts were made only from episode 13, possibly episode 12 on. They changed the story's original plan because they failed to bring new viewers. If the show had "succeded", we would have be presented with the most beautiful "beastial romance" ever. Don't know if that would be the case. In an interview about the V/T relationship B Kern said T would tempt V or try, she would be the seductive devil on his shoulder while Cat would be like the angel on his other shoulder but he also said what would stop V from giving in to temptation would be that he would have Cat's face in his mind. She would always be there. Therefore implying no real relationship. I will try and find the interview
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Jan 29, 2014 17:15:23 GMT -5
See I was worried about that too. I really hope they done explain away Vincent and Cats attraction with DNA. As in that is why they have been drawn to each other and why she used to be able to talk him down, etc. Some people might think what would be interesting, but for me it would kill it and take away anything that was special about it. Sometimes things are better left unexplained, you know? Foreshadowing as new device or no? 1) Vincent says 'unless there is something about Cats DNA that I don't not know". thought this was interesting because I have always felt this is so and not just because her ancestor was a detective, but more than that. What is this "pull". I would like to see this addressed because it is obviously not the Gem. LOL... I rewatched that scene, I think what V meant is that unless C also has beast DNA she would not have a connection to the stone/necklace because she would not ever be wearing a collar/leash. Its Gabe that fully explains the whole ancestor connection. Up until that point, V only connected the collar to beasts. I dont think he first reaction was "oh, she must want the collar back to control me". I think that also might explain the rant about her family tree in the precinct. Pardon my expression, but V right now is like a hurt animal just lashing out at whatever trys to get close to him, even if it is too help. I also dont know how I feel about them using DNA to explain the connection between the two of them. The more I think about it the more I hope they dont go down that road. I know its a scifi show, but it would be nice to think that their connection was more romantic than just DNA.
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Jan 29, 2014 17:47:56 GMT -5
Yah but it really annoys me when they show these clips and pics that rile us up and then never see the light of day when the episode airs...it leaves me wondering where exactly those scenes would've been slotted and this particular one leaves me stumped because it looks like it would've been right at the end when Vincent takes Tori home...like The way it looks to me, they probably had 2 completely different scenarios - 1) with Vincent and Tori having a relationship because this is the way they wanted it to go initially and if fans liked Tori and 2) VinTori not in a relationship whether it be because of fans outrage over Tori or word of cancellation, in that case, they have to bring VinCat back together. So they shot many different scenes and maybe got some mixed up in the promo, hence Vincent and Tori walking arm in arm. By the way, I almost didn't watch the episode because of that scene Totally agree with multi scenarios & plot options. That sometimes is the whole reason for editing. I also dont think if they walked out hand in hand like they did in the promo we should read too much into it. Many reasons maybe V is still be trying to keep up the cover of the being involved w/ T. I know that V is a good person and I think the anger/desperation fog may be lifting a little like others have said so I think even in that moment is he left arm & arm with T it might have been to provide her some comfort. Tori is also going through a lot now and I think he is just trying to help her. I think the viewers are so angry at the writers for destroying Vincat that we are taking some of that out on Tori. Tori can be a selfish, shallow brat but I dont think she is the she-monster we all make her out to be (unless of course the writers are making her part of the super baddies and then thats a whole difft thing). Obviously she wants V and is jealous of Catherine and trying to antagonize her, but does that make her a horrible person? It makes her a little misguided and crazy like Catherine said in the interrogation room. I guess thats why at sometimes I wish the writers would have chosen a person that could be the link to the mythology without setting up another love triangle. I think the audience should have been and needs to be trusted to believe in drama without another forced love triangle. It could have been any random person that helped V find the jewel. Why did they have to make him need to be possibly romantically linked to the person? The break up and hurt feelings between V & C were believable without the need for T. We had enough betrayal with the memory loss, shooting, etc. It just seemed weak that the writers felt the need to include a possible cheating rebound.
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Post by feezya on Jan 29, 2014 17:51:12 GMT -5
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