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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 21:08:50 GMT -5
I am trying to understand all the comments (including Lilith's) that are very happy that V "called Cat out" or "put her in her place" or "knocked her down a peg". Why is there glee in that? Life, unfortunately, has done a masterful job at knocking both Cat and V down - over and over again. The loss and pain both of them have had to endure since 9/11 is devastating. Cat lost her parents, V lost his brothers. Cat's life has been manipulated by a madman who is her actual blood relation (possibly responsible for killing her adoptive father), V's life has been manipulated by the same man - but more thoroughly. Cat lost V for several months, only to get him back with no memory of her or anything else. V had who-knows-what done to him for those several months, only to return to a confusing and unfamiliar life. As I see it, they have both had to suffer through blow after blow to their existence. So why is there happiness to see Cat "get hers" so to speak? Shouldn't V also be called out on his poor behavior as well? with everything you said. Just for the record, I lost all respect for Lilith after the fuss she did about ep 9, scaring the fans away, just to magically change her mind after the ep aired. Never read any of her reviews after that.
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Jan 28, 2014 21:13:12 GMT -5
Hey, @vanillasky, welcome to the board! Glad to see a lot of "newbies" posting this week!
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Post by ArwenFan on Jan 28, 2014 21:36:26 GMT -5
Nothing Vincent has done to her would have happened had it not been for her father. And shooting him went a long way in pissing Vincent off and making him not trust her. But having said all that, I did like the VinCat moments we got toward the end of the episode. The chemistry and magic is STILL there and boy have I missed it! I'm actually looking forward to next week's episode, too. The first one all season. Wow. Yeah, having a heartless, vicious jerk for a father is all her fault. Better push her to the ground again so she can take the punishment her father deserves . . . ( ) I love it when people take something completely out of context so we can all wring our hands and weep because Cat was pushed to the ground once by Vincent who is and was clearly not himself. I'm not going to tar and feather Vincent over that incident anymore than some people seem willing to hold Catherine accountable for the things she has done that are not okay. Catherine is not a saint.
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Post by Jubilant Judi on Jan 28, 2014 21:51:56 GMT -5
okay - when Tess was about to be killed, Vincent had Tori slung over his shoulder like a sack of potatoes - he never carried Catherine like that - someone else said - it is Vincent that needs to learn the moral lesson, not Tori - I think she is too far gone at this point - she has gone to the dark side with no interest in returning -
Vincent is risking her life - doesn't she realize it? - she just follows him around clinging for dear life - he has been a beast for at least a decade - also he is a trained soldier - she would not survive a beast on beast brawl - Vincent can't teach a spoiled brat that - the military does it by breaking you down before they put you back together their way - Tori wouldn't survive it -
she is trying to separate him from everything that keeps him grounded - human - she is so out of her league - Vincent's anger is abating - the fog she kept him in is diminishing and she is losing him - and from the way she verbally attacked Catherine - she knows it - when she realizes that Catherine and Vincent are working together and their feelings for each other are increasing - she will cause more trouble
I have lost interest in her - my anger has abated with Vincent's fog - and disappeared - I don't care what they do with her - stop wasting screen time on her - but she has caused trouble, I don't think she will have a pleasant end - whatever
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Jan 28, 2014 21:53:05 GMT -5
ArwenFanI have gone back to my post and added in the entire quote from your post that I was referring to. Previously I had removed the parts I wasn't speaking about, but since context is important, it is put back in. Honestly, I wasn't even referring to the most scathing parts.
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Post by ArwenFan on Jan 28, 2014 21:55:18 GMT -5
Yeah, having a heartless, vicious jerk for a father is all her fault. Better push her to the ground again so she can take the punishment her father deserves . . . ( ) BRAVO let me add one thing sis , to all who feel Cat should feel guilty or responsible for her bio father's fault, and to V of course ? Cat was Bob's first victim you know ? what father could abandon his daughter like that ? involved with people killed her mother and maybe her real dad too ? lies to her , deceives her , uses her to get to V , play God with her life ?! are all that easy for her ? if she should feel V's pain , shouldn't he in return feel how does it look like to have parents like those ? all they did is playing with her life ?! to carry their sins on her shoulder?! to feel betrayed by your own parents ?! and he knows very well how she felt when she knew the truth about her mother , but i guess beating her up and hurting her because of their sins would make every thing better for him or remove the damage they did to him Has this become tit for tat? Reynolds is pretty much a non-factor as far as I'm concerned. Catherine was raised by Vanessa and Thomas Chandler. For reasons unknown, her mother never told her about her birth father, or mentioned that she was performing some pretty unspeakable experiments on human beings, and said birth father had no impact or influence on Catherine's life until she learned about him this season and she is what...almost 30? So...no, I can't get on board with Catherine's failure to understand why Vincent might have a totally different point of view when it came to dealing with Reynolds, one that didn't have anything to do with her, and wasn't thinking like old Vincent (who hadn't been captured like a wild animal and flown off to who knows where, where who knows what happened to him for three months). I don't think that Catherine is carrying Vanessa's sins or Reynolds' sins on her shoulders. Why should she? I do think that failing to recognize that the relationship trauma she has been subjected to since Vincent was abducted, brainwashed and apparently experimented on again is nothing compared to what Vincent has suffered at the hands of her mother and sperm donor. I think it's healthy that Vincent has finally voiced his pain and bitterness because maybe now he can deal with getting himself back on track.
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Post by ArwenFan on Jan 28, 2014 22:04:32 GMT -5
ArwenFanI have gone back to my post and added in the entire quote from your post that I was referring to. Previously I had removed the parts I wasn't speaking about, but since context is important, it is put back in. Honestly, I wasn't even referring to the most scathing parts. When I was talking about context, I was referring to this... Cat being pushed to the ground has nothing to do with the reasoning behind my original post nor did I insinuate that she should be punished for her father's actions or Vincent's sense of betrayal. So, your comment just seemed off the cuff to me that's all.
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Post by jemangela on Jan 28, 2014 22:05:14 GMT -5
okay - when Tess was about to be killed, Vincent had Tori slung over his shoulder like a sack of potatoes - he never carried Catherine like that - someone else said - it is Vincent that needs to learn the moral lesson, not Tori - I think she is too far gone at this point - she has gone to the dark side with no interest in returning - Oh my goodness! , sack of potatoes....I can't ! I think I just cracked a rib!
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Jan 28, 2014 22:22:32 GMT -5
ArwenFanI have gone back to my post and added in the entire quote from your post that I was referring to. Previously I had removed the parts I wasn't speaking about, but since context is important, it is put back in. Honestly, I wasn't even referring to the most scathing parts. When I was talking about context, I was referring to this... Cat being pushed to the ground has nothing to do with the reasoning behind my original post nor did I insinuate that she should be punished for her father's actions or Vincent's sense of betrayal. So, your comment just seemed off the cuff to me that's all. It WAS off the cuff and completely sarcastic. It was supposed to demonstrate that yes, BioDad Bob did the bad things, but Cat didn't deserve to be shoved (or blamed for V's behavior) because of that. A lot of times my sarcasm and sense of humor get lost in translation when simply typed and not heard in person . . . I know what I mean, but it isn't always understood the same way on a screen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 22:35:15 GMT -5
I agree Julz. The written word without voice inflections can often be interpreted different ways. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all meet in person and chat up our show?!!!
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Post by ArwenFan on Jan 28, 2014 22:57:23 GMT -5
When I was talking about context, I was referring to this... Cat being pushed to the ground has nothing to do with the reasoning behind my original post nor did I insinuate that she should be punished for her father's actions or Vincent's sense of betrayal. So, your comment just seemed off the cuff to me that's all. It WAS off the cuff and completely sarcastic. It was supposed to demonstrate that yes, BioDad Bob did the bad things, but Cat didn't deserve to be shoved (or blamed for V's behavior) because of that. A lot of times my sarcasm and sense of humor get lost in translation when simply typed and not heard in person . . . I know what I mean, but it isn't always understood the same way on a screen. No worries, Julz. Typed conversations have limitations.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jan 28, 2014 23:11:15 GMT -5
It WAS off the cuff and completely sarcastic. It was supposed to demonstrate that yes, BioDad Bob did the bad things, but Cat didn't deserve to be shoved (or blamed for V's behavior) because of that. A lot of times my sarcasm and sense of humor get lost in translation when simply typed and not heard in person . . . I know what I mean, but it isn't always understood the same way on a screen. No worries, Julz. Typed conversations have limitations. LOL or in my case get lost in translation cause I can't explain what I want to say
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 28, 2014 23:41:54 GMT -5
Best episode this season and the last 1/3 of season 1. IMO So infuriated on how long it took them to get here. Perfectly good waste of screen time on some crap prior to this ep. Sooo much was unnecessary. Do not like that Gabe will still be waiting off in the wings for Cat though. I finally can stomach Tess this season, Yay!!! Didn't like that Vincat was OK with being friendly. Liked Vincent as the hero and think Cat did too. It means a lot more that people can see him and know him as one instead of him being in total hiding. I liked how they covered and manipulated the She beast. It actually seemed plausible and transitioned smoothly. I kinda wish he did hear Cats rant though and I love when he teases her. I think her comment about coming to help on his own was suppose to reference him coming around to himself sooner that later. So I hope that happens. Still not getting this whole primal thing but did Cat actually admit to Tori that she was jealous before she realized how it was affecting her. I gotta rewatch that again. It kinda seems that Cat really believes something is going on with Tori and Vincent in some way but then knows he is using her too. Confused by that. I hate to admit it but this will be the 1st episode this season I will watch a 2nd time. Overall I'm in a better state than yesterday when it comes to The possibility of getting some romance back. Looking more promising. Regarding the parts highlighted in red, indeed, a complete waste of screen time with pure crap!! Don't they want fans to be happy and satisfied with each episode and want us to want to watch each episode countless times? I am amazed how many chances they took knowing that they could alienate many fans. They knew we wouldn't be happy about Tori, so why even waste so much time with that? Tori is in 7 episodes - I am still wondering what her role is in all of this. Instead of having her in so many episodes, I wish they would have given more important characters like JT and Tess some more screen time.
I didn't like Vincent and Catherine's 'cool' interaction; as though they didn't share a deep love. They were like strangers. I expected them to be awkward around each other, not knowing how to act around one another because of what they had once shared and knowing that they are no longer together.
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 29, 2014 0:01:14 GMT -5
Was that gone? Well - thank God for small miracles! That promo scene kinda freaked me out. Yah but it really annoys me when they show these clips and pics that rile us up and then never see the light of day when the episode airs...it leaves me wondering where exactly those scenes would've been slotted and this particular one leaves me stumped because it looks like it would've been right at the end when Vincent takes Tori home...like The way it looks to me, they probably had 2 completely different scenarios - 1) with Vincent and Tori having a relationship because this is the way they wanted it to go initially and if fans liked Tori and 2) VinTori not in a relationship whether it be because of fans outrage over Tori or word of cancellation, in that case, they have to bring VinCat back together. So they shot many different scenes and maybe got some mixed up in the promo, hence Vincent and Tori walking arm in arm. By the way, I almost didn't watch the episode because of that scene
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 29, 2014 0:12:06 GMT -5
Yah but it really annoys me when they show these clips and pics that rile us up and then never see the light of day when the episode airs...it leaves me wondering where exactly those scenes would've been slotted and this particular one leaves me stumped because it looks like it would've been right at the end when Vincent takes Tori home...like For me, it just looks like they have changed the original script and are trying to tie up all the loose ends and deliver this nicely packaged present, complete with a pink bow and that totally freaks me out cause it screams, this is the end, no Season 3....oh man, water works alert I'm still excited about this episode and I'm going to live outside my over active mind for a while before I make myself sick with worry To be honest, based on all the bad decisions Brad Kern made in SEason 2, I wouldn't want a SEason 3. Can you imagine, if Season 3 was guaranteed how far Vincent and Tori's relationship would go in this season 2? They would have certainly shown them kissing (as in the pictures that were released last week that were cut from the episode). And who knows what else. And Catherine and Gabe might have been an item too.
So can you imagine what they would have in store for fans if there was a season 3? How far would they take it this time? They already crossed so many lines in Season 2, so they would most likely cross more lines if given a Season 3.
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