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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 15:36:05 GMT -5
I don't know if somebody else mentionned this or thought about it!!! I simply need someone to enlight me. At the end of last season Reynolds was chasing Gabe, so he supposedly know what he looks like and the way around... because when Gabe's girlfriend saw Reynolds before he kills her, it felt like she already knows him... Now in NTB Reynolds came after Gabe & shot him.... so he knows he's dead... I simply found it awkward, that in liar, liar reynolds & Gabe met again, is it possible that nobody remembered the other & there was no hint about it!!! Did somebody felt the same that there's something missing in here Yeah, I noticed that also. I think it's just one of many holes that it's just easier to overlook rather than dwell on too much. If you keep raising your eyebrow at situations/moments like that it just takes your attention away from the present. I think it's difficult for the writers to close all these holes considering the fact they've taken the show in a new direction.
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Post by VinCatUk on Oct 22, 2013 15:37:38 GMT -5
One thing I notices it why Tess didn't recognize agent Reynolds from the crime scene when she has seen photo of him on daddy chandler smashed up IPad I doubt he has changed that much ? Unless what she saw on the iPad comes in to play later in the season
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Post by feezya on Oct 22, 2013 16:04:12 GMT -5
I don't know if somebody else mentionned this or thought about it!!! I simply need someone to enlight me. At the end of last season Reynolds was chasing Gabe, so he supposedly know what he looks like and the way around... because when Gabe's girlfriend saw Reynolds before he kills her, it felt like she already knows him... Now in NTB Reynolds came after Gabe & shot him.... so he knows he's dead... I simply found it awkward, that in liar, liar reynolds & Gabe met again, is it possible that nobody remembered the other & there was no hint about it!!! Did somebody felt the same that there's something missing in here Yeah, I noticed that also. I think it's just one of many holes that it's just easier to overlook rather than dwell on too much. If you keep raising your eyebrow at situations/moments like that it just takes your attention away from the present. I think it's difficult for the writers to close all these holes considering the fact they've taken the show in a new direction. I'm trying to be positive and hoping that everything will be unfold soon...
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Post by Windflwr on Oct 22, 2013 18:06:03 GMT -5
Having to wait until after work Tuesdays to post is difficult!! I haven't had time to read all the posts here, so I hope I'm not just repeating everything others have already said, but here's my feeling about Liar,Liar: I'm always initially disappointed in an episode, as I was this time, too. It definitely had some great moments, but I just want more. I don't understand why, when Cat gets hurt, do they always seemingly brush it off? Even Vincent. When she got shot in Bridesmaid Up! he never fussed over her wound; didn't even seem overly concerned. There should have been a scene where he had to see it, touch her there, kiss the scar, talk about how they both were scarred now. I don't know--something more than what we got. I realize Cat is tough, but he should at least attempt to treat her like she is fragile because he loves her so much. Vincent should have done more than glance at that scarf around her neck (by the way, he shoved her in the gut, not the neck--I don't get that at all. And she landed on her rump really hard--that's where the bruises would be.) The impact of him seeing the physical damage he did would have been a very big moment. I also felt Vincent wasn't apologetic enough. I didn't like how he said a quick "I'm sorry" on the roof. It didn't sound sincere enough for me. And to ask JT to tell her he was sorry was a big cop-out. I'm glad he returned to her window, but it wasn't enough for me. I think, in order to balance the show and give all the actors screen time, they sometimes gyp VinCat. That fire escape scene should have come after he hurt her, not after the dance/gallery scene. Speaking of the dance, I didn't like Cat's dress (sorry to Catherine Ashton!). Hated the wrap the most, but honestly, can they please give Catherine something a little sexier to wear once in a while? KK has beautiful skin and curves. She may not be voluptuous, but she's got enough to turn a guy's head. I want to see him drool. They never dress her in anything sexy or form-fitting lately. Never anything lowER cut. These eps were shot while it was still warm. BTW, did anyone see how close he was holding her in the dance? That was nice. I don't know what it is or why, but sometimes KK speaks her lines like she's reciting something. Other times she's absolutely wonderful. Maybe too much unnecessary narrative? I don't know what it is, but it drives me crazy. I wanted more of a scene between Cat and JT regarding Vincent hurting her, too. That was a BIG thing. They talk about Vincent's memory wipe like it's some normal thing. Vincent doesn't seem concerned that his memory was wiped, or even like he's surprised or unhappy about it. Weird. I guess I just want them to up the emotional content of the show. That's where these very fine actors excel. Up the physical touching, too. I fear we're back to Season 1/hands-off! I liked all the other elements, even VinCat lying to each other in this ep. The stakes have definitely been raised. I give this episode a "B." Now I'm going to go WRITE the scenes I thought SHOULD have been in there!!
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Post by vincentfan on Oct 22, 2013 18:14:30 GMT -5
Great episode! All the lying though! LOOOOOVED VinCat at the art gallery. Loved Catherine dominating the conversation. You can see how hurt she was when Vincent thought she wanted revenge for him hurting her. Jeez, Vincent! You are not helping your situation! I feel for Catherine. Also, nice little flashes of memory. Too bad he remembered after lying to her earlier. The boat scene was really heartbreaking because Catherine is pretending that they can just be start over, even after what he did, just as long as it doesn't happen again. The worst part is that even after he hurt her, he's still like, "yeah, uh let's start over but don't ever ask me any questions about my job." He was ok with just having conversations about current events and all that jazz. And Catherine just pretends that's fine. Pobrecita, Catherine. I thought the last scene was perfect. Very consistent in the sense that there HAS been a lot of crap going on in Catherine's life, and she's just set everything aside for Vincent, and then finding out her daddy wasn't really her daddy? And then Vincent making her feel better by telling her he's remembered something, only to be lying to her? After everything she's done to prove he can trust her? It's too much. I feel like Catherine was finally just thinking about HERSELF. Good for her! Love her for this. Vincent, you deserved to get that window shut in yo' face! Now work on winning her trust back! Tess/Gabe scenes me likey. Tess/JT scenes me likey, but we didn't get any this episode. Love Tess/Gabe/Catherine scenes. I don't know if Gabe fancies Catherine. Maybe he still has some of his beastly senses left. Maybe he was listening into their conversation? idk. I just think the Gabe has a crush on Catherine story is asn't simple as it "seems". Gabe seemed overly dominating at the crime scene. I doubt it was to protect Vincent. I get the feeling he knows Reynolds or senses something. I actually enjoyed the BOTW, Beast of the Week, storyline. Sebastian's abilities were kind of cool. I'm going to miss Heather. I'm loving the pace of each episode. Quick and entertaining and just the right amount of angst. Also, I LOVE all of the girls' hair this season. 9/10 from me.
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Post by eternalxjourney on Oct 22, 2013 21:19:15 GMT -5
This show is getting better episode by episode. The dialogue was well written and no offense to the writers from previous season, but some of the lines were cheeeeezy and super contrived. The writing seems fresher and less predictable. I enjoyed the banter between different characters, i.e. Tess with Gabe/Catherine, JT with Vincent, and finally the rather heated conversation between Cat and Vincent at the dance. I saw spunk in her that made her more likeable to me.
The last scene was perfect. It definitely tugged at my heart strings but also served its purpose- to create more angst between the main characters. For the past 3 or 4 months, she's been doing nothing but being fixated on Vincent, finding where he is, and making him remember her. Plus now that she knows the truth about her father, she needs time to sort out her emotions about that and focus on her own well being for a second before she worries about Vincent.
Really looking forward to the next episode.
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Oct 22, 2013 21:44:46 GMT -5
That is such a beautiful, romantic clip! With that lovely song & without Catherine's snippy comments! It really bothers me that she refuses to understand that he is being controlled. It's not that he is deliberately keeping secrets from her. He has no control over how he is acting.
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Oct 22, 2013 21:57:57 GMT -5
I don't know if somebody else mentionned this or thought about it!!! I simply need someone to enlight me. At the end of last season Reynolds was chasing Gabe, so he supposedly know what he looks like and the way around... because when Gabe's girlfriend saw Reynolds before he kills her, it felt like she already knows him... Now in NTB Reynolds came after Gabe & shot him.... so he knows he's dead... I simply found it awkward, that in liar, liar reynolds & Gabe met again, is it possible that nobody remembered the other & there was no hint about it!!! Did somebody felt the same that there's something missing in here Everything you mention is why IMO there's a connection between Reynolds & Gabe!
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Post by catvin on Oct 23, 2013 0:40:19 GMT -5
That is such a beautiful, romantic clip! With that lovely song & without Catherine's snippy comments! It really bothers me that she refuses to understand that he is being controlled. It's not that he is deliberately keeping secrets from her. He has no control over how he is acting. totally agree with your comment although i am more of a reader than a poster but i just have to comment because most people seem to unfairly take Cat's side since the start of the new season. Vincent is being manipulated and controlled, he is not himself and he doesn't remember who he is, let alone who Cat is. Is this really so hard to grasp and understand. Just in this last episode every character in the show dead or alive was shown to have been a liar at some point of time, IMO, among them all Vincent's lie was the most justified because he only did it to keep Cat away from harm's way as it was proved over and over again that she is not the best decision maker and always end up almost killing herself and he ends up leaving his target to save her!! Why does Cat think that she will be more capable than Vincent in taking out beasts while she knows nothing about them or about their capabilities is really beyond my understanding. On the other hand, Cat's lie to Vincent was the worst of all, she lied and practiced how to lie to get more information on a case, really ...................... and while i'm talking about what is annoying me, can someone please explain how did Vincent's push cause a bruise on Cat's neck?
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Oct 23, 2013 1:00:52 GMT -5
I have been "sensing" (ha ha ha!) that many people are frustrated with Cat for being angry with V for lying when she started with the whole "beat the polygraph" thing in the beginning. Then she shut him out with the window scene. And I must admit, that was my feeling while watching it last night.
However, tonight I watched it for the second time and really listened to the dialogue more carefully than last night. Now my understanding has done a 180. Yes, she is upset with the lying, but she is also upset with herself for stooping to that as well. I got the impression that she really hates what she did (deceiving V) and finally sees what it has done to her. So, to sum it up, she is blaming them both, IMO.
And I almost cried at the window scene THIS time, but didn't last night. Weird . . .
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Post by Lisa on Oct 23, 2013 9:52:19 GMT -5
It really bothers me that she refuses to understand that he is being controlled. It's not that he is deliberately keeping secrets from her. He has no control over how he is acting. Agree! He has been brainwashed. He is not the V we know and love...he is still in there, and we definitely saw that, but for the most part, he is lost.
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Oct 23, 2013 10:25:15 GMT -5
I would lo e a 3rd season and beyond but if they get a 3rd season then they need to have established by then that Vincat are together and in love and that nothing and no-one can destroy that love
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 12:01:58 GMT -5
That would take much of the drama out of the show, would it not? This comment will get me in trouble I'm sure, but I don't think they should hook up Cat and Vincent again. The build up in a romance is always more compelling than the payoff. That is a dynamic that's been understood by TV producers for years. Generally, ratings usually head south when they decide to connect two characters that have had a long build up.
Every episode with Cat/Vin in bed? Boring!
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Oct 23, 2013 12:27:49 GMT -5
That would take much of the drama out of the show, would it not? This comment will get me in trouble I'm sure, but I don't think they should hook up Cat and Vincent again. The build up in a romance is always more compelling than the payoff. That is a dynamic that's been understood by TV producers for years. Generally, ratings usually head south when they decide to connect two characters that have had a long build up. Every episode with Cat/Vin in bed? Boring! hahaa! are you so scared of us??!! I understand your point... it's true that most of the tvshows keep the build up romance for indefinite seasons and don't connect the characters until the end. However, I can recall several successful tvshows where the main couple got together and stick together (with a lot of ups and downs) for many seasons! Alias is a good example of it. I agree it would be boring with VinCat every episode in bed, and I expect them to pass a lot of trials and angst but there's a difference between that and having them apart with third persons in the middle, doubting about each other's love, etc... I don't like that kind of love (very frequent lately) and I know there are many like me out there! I think that's one of the things why its so appealing for many of us ... and probably why its ratings are no so high as we wish... not so many people enjoy a true and deep love story...
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Post by kiki09 on Oct 23, 2013 14:30:06 GMT -5
That is such a beautiful, romantic clip! With that lovely song & without Catherine's snippy comments! It really bothers me that she refuses to understand that he is being controlled. It's not that he is deliberately keeping secrets from her. He has no control over how he is acting. totally agree with your comment although i am more of a reader than a poster but i just have to comment because most people seem to unfairly take Cat's side since the start of the new season. Vincent is being manipulated and controlled, he is not himself and he doesn't remember who he is, let alone who Cat is. Is this really so hard to grasp and understand. Just in this last episode every character in the show dead or alive was shown to have been a liar at some point of time, IMO, among them all Vincent's lie was the most justified because he only did it to keep Cat away from harm's way as it was proved over and over again that she is not the best decision maker and always end up almost killing herself and he ends up leaving his target to save her!! Why does Cat think that she will be more capable than Vincent in taking out beasts while she knows nothing about them or about their capabilities is really beyond my understanding. On the other hand, Cat's lie to Vincent was the worst of all, she lied and practiced how to lie to get more information on a case, really ...................... and while i'm talking about what is annoying me, can someone please explain how did Vincent's push cause a bruise on Cat's neck? Everything you said is everything I feel. The CONTROL and Reprogramming issue seems to be an issue peeps gloss over but it's very important and it's very crucial to what V is right now. He can't just magically become V 1.0 overnight. Reprogramming someone is a serious issue.
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