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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Oct 22, 2013 8:56:33 GMT -5
Everyone has mentioned so many things about this episode that I agree with and feel about. I only have one thing that just boggles my mind.............will someone PLEASE explain the whole Cat/Heather Apartment makeover? I mean it isn't just a lamp here or a pillow there, it is a whole monochromatic color scheme. AND.....Catherines bedroom is completely different, more feminine............WHY make such a dramatic change. Someone mentioned in a past episode thread (I tried to find who posted it, sorry) how last season, Catherine's Bedroom and Apt. had these warm, cozy tones and this year the bedroom and Apt are in cool, somewhat bleak tones? I guess I will have to ask the writers that question when I figure out TWITTER!! I don't know, sometimes things like that bug me and every time I see Cat's apt. it distracts me and I look at all the different pictures, accessories, furnishings. The refrigerator is the same. Then I think about Cat's Bed, it just doesn't seem like Cat's taste.........and I remember a spoiler BTS pic of Vincent and Cat sitting on her bed. I am not feeling a hot, sexy scene there for some reason. Of course, I welcome the chance to be proven wrong on this thought.............
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Post by ArwenFan on Oct 22, 2013 9:16:16 GMT -5
So I'm just going to go ahead and say that Sendhil is an extremely handsome dude. Yeah, but I found his hair style (or whatever) extremely distracting. Whenever he was on screen my eyes zeroed in on that pomadour or whatever the hell that was going on on his head.
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Post by kiki09 on Oct 22, 2013 9:17:48 GMT -5
Everyone has mentioned so many things about this episode that I agree with and feel about. I only have one thing that just boggles my mind.............will someone PLEASE explain the whole Cat/Heather Apartment makeover? I mean it isn't just a lamp here or a pillow there, it is a whole monochromatic color scheme. AND.....Catherines bedroom is completely different, more feminine............WHY make such a dramatic change. Someone mentioned in a past episode thread (I tried to find who posted it, sorry) how last season, Catherine's Bedroom and Apt. had these warm, cozy tones and this year the bedroom and Apt are in cool, somewhat bleak tones? I guess I will have to ask the writers that question when I figure out TWITTER!! I don't know, sometimes things like that bug me and every time I see Cat's apt. it distracts me and I look at all the different pictures, accessories, furnishings. The refrigerator is the same. Then I think about Cat's Bed, it just doesn't seem like Cat's taste.........and I remember a spoiler BTS pic of Vincent and Cat sitting on her bed. I am not feeling a hot, sexy scene there for some reason. Of course, I welcome the chance to be proven wrong on this thought............. I agree as fans who notice everything it can seem quite annoying that this wasn't mentioned BUT I honestly just feel like they changed it for no apparent reason and I highly doubt they will explain the change IMO, especially if it has nothing to do with the storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 9:49:41 GMT -5
I rather liked this episode. A nice change in the dynamic between Catherine and Vincent with some excellent back/forth dialog. The rest of the cast performed well also. Hooray for Catherine for closing the window on him at the end. About damn time! This episode bodes well for the future of the series.........IF they can keep it up.
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Post by Laura on Oct 22, 2013 9:52:19 GMT -5
I'm just going to quickly comment on 1 thing. ..Catherine's reaction in the fire eescape scene..I look beyond what was said...here you have a woman who has a man in front of her who she once knew and now he's him but not..Catherine until that point tried every which way she could to make Vincent remember her...when the lies and deception came to play she knew that it was a lost cause..she realized for herself what she told the shrink in On Thin Ice(yup I can't believe I'm quoting from that episide LOL)"You can't force someone to LOVE you." Aside from the fact that all trust in him was broken. I'll have my full take eventually lol Yes please! Waiting for your opinion
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Post by ckay on Oct 22, 2013 9:53:25 GMT -5
Everyone has mentioned so many things about this episode that I agree with and feel about. I only have one thing that just boggles my mind.............will someone PLEASE explain the whole Cat/Heather Apartment makeover? I mean it isn't just a lamp here or a pillow there, it is a whole monochromatic color scheme. AND.....Catherines bedroom is completely different, more feminine............WHY make such a dramatic change. Someone mentioned in a past episode thread (I tried to find who posted it, sorry) how last season, Catherine's Bedroom and Apt. had these warm, cozy tones and this year the bedroom and Apt are in cool, somewhat bleak tones? I guess I will have to ask the writers that question when I figure out TWITTER!! I don't know, sometimes things like that bug me and every time I see Cat's apt. it distracts me and I look at all the different pictures, accessories, furnishings. The refrigerator is the same. Then I think about Cat's Bed, it just doesn't seem like Cat's taste.........and I remember a spoiler BTS pic of Vincent and Cat sitting on her bed. I am not feeling a hot, sexy scene there for some reason. Of course, I welcome the chance to be proven wrong on this thought............. I completly agree with you and I even tried to see if the writers mentioned anything about Catherine redecorating her apartment but nothing it's true it feels so cold not cozy like last seasom with warm colours, I wonder what made them do this change
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Post by ckay on Oct 22, 2013 9:56:51 GMT -5
I'm just going to quickly comment on 1 thing. ..Catherine's reaction in the fire eescape scene..I look beyond what was said...here you have a woman who has a man in front of her who she once knew and now he's him but not..Catherine until that point tried every which way she could to make Vincent remember her...when the lies and deception came to play she knew that it was a lost cause..she realized for herself what she told the shrink in On Thin Ice(yup I can't believe I'm quoting from that episide LOL)"You can't force someone to LOVE you." Aside from the fact that all trust in him was broken. I'll have my full take eventually lol Yes please! Waiting for your opinion yes, yes please waiting to hear your thoughts & reviews!!!
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Post by chilly20 on Oct 22, 2013 11:05:54 GMT -5
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Post by Lisa on Oct 22, 2013 11:12:37 GMT -5
This epi is my favorite so far this season. It seems like they found their footing, and things are just going to take off from here. I REALLY feel for Vincent. The poor guy is SO conflicted. He so desperately wants to be with Cat, but can't. He doesn't know how to balance the memories and feelings that he has with the life that he is brainwashed into having. It must be TORTURE for him.
Cat, ok, I get that her life is in shambles, but she can't give up on him. I get that she can't be his g/f right now, and that him being around is torture for her since he isn't the same, and he lies to her, but...he needs her. I hope that she can find a balance between shutting him out and helping him, which of course she will, but it will be one heck of a ride!
ETA: I hope we get more JT soon...feels like we aren't seeing enough of him.
Also, a rant here...I said it before, but I HATE how visually dark this season is...I want to be able to see the actors. The scene that really annoyed me was the one with Tess and Gabe toward the end...where she wants to give him a lie detector...that was an upbeat scene...why so dark?! Ok, rant over!
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Post by Lisa on Oct 22, 2013 11:22:07 GMT -5
Also, I am really liking Gabe...he was pretty funny in this ep. I think I'm going to really hate it if he turns.
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Post by ckay on Oct 22, 2013 12:24:56 GMT -5
I don't know if somebody else mentionned this or thought about it!!! I simply need someone to enlight me. At the end of last season Reynolds was chasing Gabe, so he supposedly know what he looks like and the way around... because when Gabe's girlfriend saw Reynolds before he kills her, it felt like she already knows him... Now in NTB Reynolds came after Gabe & shot him.... so he knows he's dead... I simply found it awkward, that in liar, liar reynolds & Gabe met again, is it possible that nobody remembered the other & there was no hint about it!!!
Did somebody felt the same that there's something missing in here
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Oct 22, 2013 14:32:50 GMT -5
I don't know if somebody else mentionned this or thought about it!!! I simply need someone to enlight me. At the end of last season Reynolds was chasing Gabe, so he supposedly know what he looks like and the way around... because when Gabe's girlfriend saw Reynolds before he kills her, it felt like she already knows him... Now in NTB Reynolds came after Gabe & shot him.... so he knows he's dead... I simply found it awkward, that in liar, liar reynolds & Gabe met again, is it possible that nobody remembered the other & there was no hint about it!!! Did somebody felt the same that there's something missing in here Glad you mentioned it, because I feel the same......and it will bug me until they address it in some way.
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Post by Ilaria on Oct 22, 2013 14:38:41 GMT -5
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Post by hiddenpick on Oct 22, 2013 14:38:42 GMT -5
This episode did exactly what a serialized story should be doing--peeling back the layers--building on the foundation, basically playing pee-a-boo with the emotions of both the characters and the audience. I loved it, and more than anything I loved the tone and direction the story seems to be heading toward.
Secrets and lies. These two pesky conditional influences are, unfortunately, a necessary corner stone to provide some conflict in a story; and in this episode the influence and use of both provided discord. It's the push and pull of their emotional journey that keeps us glued for sure, and the new dynamics of their relationship makes the prospect of that 'slow burn' all the more appealing. Yet it's the manner in which the relationship unfolds that can/may become my conundrum because, in last night's case, Cat admitting she lied and then calling Vincent out on his lies was all sort of WTF-ness. No Cat you can't say your motivation for lying is more honorable that his. I get it, I get her frustration and insistence for a healthier relationship, but what I don't get and can't reconcile with now is Cat's (as intelligent as she is) inability or incapacity to come to terms (fully)with the fact that Vincent is unable to (at this point in time) to be who she wants him to be. She insists on comparing his behavior to what it was and expecting his actions to match that of old Vincent, and is disappointed and upset with him when he doesn't meet those expectations.
I think from this point on, the dynamics of the relationship will be about building--building to betterment. Meanwhile we've been here before. Cat being upset/angry/put out with Vincent's sort of insensitivity. Cat closing the metaphoric window on their relationship. Cat shutting down (or trying to) emotionally.
I'm looking forward to Vincent rising to the emotional challenges that's ahead for him. Vincent isn't all 'beast' though it's been ingrained in him that he is, and it's the continued decomposition of those 'beastly' qualities that's one of the things that's going to be intriguing to see. And it's already, cause Vincent has shown that he has a conscience, he feels remorse and guilt and they are influencing his narrow view of his world. I liked that he explained the reasons for his distrust--and it made sense. He didn't know her, and his behavior showed that, much in the same way he was in the very beginning when they first met. Beyond getting in touch with his humanity, I also see where his trust and confidence in the people he gets his orders from is beginning to unravel. I think Vincent may begin to question the life he now knows and try to recapture what he has lost.
Meanwhile I loved the dance (they move so well together). Love Vince calling her Catherine. Kat taking on a beast? Hmmmm, not so much. Sebastian's motive for killing his dad? Lame. Curious about the 'hit' list. Curious about Gabe's agenda.
Why does Tess insistence on saying 'your boyfriend' drive me bananas? The sister's heart to heart seemed aloof and off-handed somehow. Maybe the act of telling your sister she isn't your sister could have been told in a less public environment? It's good that they left things in a good place, but the sister's sorry relationship will not be missed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 15:03:29 GMT -5
I'm sure I'll shock some beasties with my opinion here, but I'm not exactly known for sugaring the show. I'm not saying that the ep was bad. In fact, I think it was pretty good. But I'm not sure if I liked it. One of the things that bother me in this season start is that I'm not seeing a strong woman on Cat. Yes, as a lot of people here, I liked when she closed the window on Vincent, but I still think it wasn't for the right reasons. Of course, him lying to her without a second thought was something that needed punishment, but the writers put it as the single reason for her shutting him down, when I think there's things much more important than that. And, in the end, she did admit that everything she did was to have V back and that she kept trying to hide from herself and the others the gravity of what he had done, even though he HIT HER. How is condoning with abusive behavior being strong? The writers acknowledged that they were making Cat look like a vengeful <edited> when they put V saying it. They put sexism on the screen ON PURPOSE and no one seemed to care about. It's just a side note, but I do think that this is just wrong. To me, the biggest problem with this new plotline is that they transformed V in a cold hearted assassin hired to eliminate his own kind, which makes him also a betrayer. People might argue that he's after rogue violent beasts, but that doesn't change the fact that those beasts are going through the same things he went. Maybe even worse. Perhaps they're violent because they didn't have a JT to protect and understand them as V had. Vincent sold his soul to his creators, the very people that destroyed his life in first place and Cat simply doesn't say a word about that. To her, his only problem isn't remembering her. Yes, there were good moments, like V thanking Cat for a 2nd chance. That was really sweet and showed that he loves her, memory or not. And the flashbacks and the fire escape scene. But I keep thinking what would be like if we get a 3rd season. Is it really necessary to have VinCat falling in love again? That means that every season they'll have to start everything again? It doesn't make any sense to me and I'm not convinced so far. Taking Muirfield out of the picture was also something that doesn't make sense. Muirfield was the great villain of the show. It was the reason for all the secrets and danger. Why is Vincent still in hiding if there's no one trying to kill him anymore? Why he can't meet Cat's family or going to her job's parties? WHY TAKE AWAY THE REASON FOR THE SHOW'S PLOT? The producers justified with this bull<edited> about male audience, but I read a lot of beasties saying that they watched the show with their husbands or boyfriends and they didn't like the change on V either. Men said that they could understand and be sympathetic with Beast 1.0 but that Beast 2.0 has no appeal. He's just another idiot taking orders without questions. What's the interest in that? The season has 22 eps and, if they repeat last season, the show can be better at each ep. Right now, I like it, but I'm not in love.
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