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Post by feezya on Oct 17, 2013 18:18:54 GMT -5
a recap as long as the episode itself! something to listen to while we wait for more spoilers on next week's episode
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Post by ArwenFan on Oct 17, 2013 18:38:43 GMT -5
I got annoyed with them especially the know-it-all 4:35 in. There was no way in hell I was going to watch the whole 41:30.
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Post by feezya on Oct 17, 2013 18:59:19 GMT -5
I got annoyed with them especially the know-it-all 4:35 in. There was no way in hell I was going to watch the whole 41:30. i know what u mean. i usually just leave it one on do something else on my computer, listening to interesting "keywords". but it's almost friday and i'm just getting to impatient for monday to come, sooo anything about batb is just great for me. she used JESS for JT and Tess!! hmmmm i think i prefer JT&T. anyway, i usually skipped to the news and gossips when they got too unbearable for me to listen. that's what i always look forward to from them.
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Post by kiki09 on Oct 17, 2013 19:35:01 GMT -5
I think there is a difference between being possessive and jealous and what I saw in those season 1 scenes is a jealous V not a possessive one.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Oct 18, 2013 1:11:45 GMT -5
I got annoyed with them especially the know-it-all 4:35 in. There was no way in hell I was going to watch the whole 41:30. i watched it last week and i was like wtf
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Post by wishfulpiaffe on Oct 18, 2013 7:20:15 GMT -5
You know my review and point of view will eventually come..I don't know if it's going to be as long as anapi this time (You beat me with this one LOL) BUT with that said let me just go and address the last and controversial scene..I now call it push and shove scene. I DO NOT condone violence against ANYONE, woman, children, men YOU name it! What THIS Vincent did was unacceptable and cruel. As much as I hate to say it there could've been other ways to bring accross what the writers wanted and that was to get Catherine out of her "he's my Vincent and I know he's there' illusion. But I also understand that there needed to be that breaking point and wake up call for Catherine..And most important VINCENT. YES that scene to me showed FAR more beyond waking Catherine up to smell the coffee. Here we have Catherine desperately trying to get Vincent back..the Vincent she knows and loves. She pushes him verbally to a point that he reacts but not the way she expected..BUT FOLKS the key word with Vincent here is 'react'Here you have a programmed killing machine for the most part just heartless, like a robot, just out to complete missions. Then comes Catherine Chandler messing with that 'program' ..he is drawn to her for reasons he doesn't understand and keeps going back to her. THIS IS NOT WHAT HE WAS TRAINED AND PROGRAMMED for...So Vincent is in turmoil to try to understand this starts to begin to question himself and who he is. When he pushed Catherine and saw the FEAR on her face..for that ONE second I saw what eventually will come to play in later episodes 'his HUMAN side' and not the heartless programmed machine. Her eyes were not the only ones opened to the changes but Vincent too now sees that Catherine has an effect over him he's NOT suppose to have and can't control. This brings FEAR for Vincent as well and thus he reacts again by the only way he was 'trained' to..protecting himself and the missions. I think it was a cheap shot about her just being 'a one night stand' but then again this is way of trying to salvage and justify at least to himself that he's a 'soldier' above all else and that he can't let a woman get in his way. Unlike many I see the glass half full..Again I don't justify what he did basically cause it's NOT the Vincent we know..If you could see the slo mo of his face after he realized what he did..You would understand and see the turmoil ..I can't hate him..once again it's NOT his fault. From now on I would be cautious as Catherine will be, I would be pissed off too..But I wouldn't totally give up on him either..I saw a ray of Vincent //He is still very much there. MY full review and POV before Monday LOL
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Post by wishfulpiaffe on Oct 18, 2013 7:35:00 GMT -5
I guess my problem (and a terrifying number of others who have come to love this show) is with the new spin destroying what was the heart and soul of the whole premise - the love between Vincent and Catherine - that no matter what was done to him, he would NEVER HURT HER - thats unconditional - and the producers/writers have chosen to throw that away. What got people entranced with this show, despite horrible writing and plotholes big enough for entire freight trains to fall into, was Vincent and Catherine's struggles to be together and the sweet moments they had together. What we have now seen in both these new episodes is that sweet, sometimes painful, but always there connection shredded and yes, I get that this is to set up them gradually coming together at some point in the future. I spent a little time emailing all the people I could remember introducing to this show to see if they were watching the new episodes and if so did they like this spin - only got 11 replies out of 38 and two people said it was BORING - almost cried. The rest all commented on them not being sure what sort of show it was - is it a supersoldier sci fi action series with an annoying, whiny female or is it a love story because they didnt see any romance, just some totally hot guy getting it on with an emotionally fragile woman - is this what we are now reduced to??? Jay Ryan may just be doing such a great job of the new Vincent that he is acting himself out work?? because - without lots and lots of new viewers buying into the new storylines - we wont survive until mid-season.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Oct 18, 2013 7:47:06 GMT -5
I guess my problem (and a terrifying number of others who have come to love this show) is with the new spin destroying what was the heart and soul of the whole premise - the love between Vincent and Catherine - that no matter what was done to him, he would NEVER HURT HER - thats unconditional - and the producers/writers have chosen to throw that away. What got people entranced with this show, despite horrible writing and plotholes big enough for entire freight trains to fall into, was Vincent and Catherine's struggles to be together and the sweet moments they had together. What we have now seen in both these new episodes is that sweet, sometimes painful, but always there connection shredded and yes, I get that this is to set up them gradually coming together at some point in the future. I spent a little time emailing all the people I could remember introducing to this show to see if they were watching the new episodes and if so did they like this spin - only got 11 replies out of 38 and two people said it was BORING - almost cried. The rest all commented on them not being sure what sort of show it was - is it a supersoldier sci fi action series with an annoying, whiny female or is it a love story because they didnt see any romance, just some totally hot guy getting it on with an emotionally fragile woman - is this what we are now reduced to??? Jay Ryan may just be doing such a great job of the new Vincent that he is acting himself out work?? because - without lots and lots of new viewers buying into the new storylines - we wont survive until mid-season. i think there will always be different views on the show, and some people will find it boring, though objectively it is definitely less boring this year than last year! i am confident 9 out of 10 people would say that regarding ratings, yes if they do not go up we will get cancelled most probably, but i dont think there will be a mid season cancellation. this is very very rare for a show that is not new and has got 22 episodes approved. plus the cw knows that mondays are a s..t day for a show so whatever they put instead of BATB on a monday would not fare well.
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Post by wishfulpiaffe on Oct 18, 2013 8:12:55 GMT -5
So, from what you wrote here, let me see if I am reading it correctly - the CW deliberately put BATB into a timeslot that makes it vulnerable to pre-emption isnt that sending a message that this show isnt all that high in its committment list?? add in Brad Kern's track record for cancelled shows - I was worried before, now I am terrified.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Oct 18, 2013 8:34:45 GMT -5
So, from what you wrote here, let me see if I am reading it correctly - the CW deliberately put BATB into a timeslot that makes it vulnerable to pre-emption isnt that sending a message that this show isnt all that high in its committment list?? add in Brad Kern's track record for cancelled shows - I was worried before, now I am terrified. the show definitely i snot high in its commitment list, look at ho wmuch publicity it got - nothing not sure how the cw thinks of course, but i suspect they said: BATB is not one of our top show sratings wise (such as vampire diaries etc) but worth keeping. we prefer to give it a less preferable time slot and give the prime timeslot to all our new shows (reign, tomorrow people, originals) who could end up doing as well as the diaries say. I dont think they though (based on last years ratings) that BATB could do any better than it did last year (whereas you dont know with a new show) so just put it on monday, whereas with shows that had done well such as the diaries and arrow and supernatural, they gave them really good slots. i dunno may be completely wrong, it is just my speculation also what is happending with brad kern? not sure i know much about his history?
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Post by ArwenFan on Oct 18, 2013 9:07:46 GMT -5
I guess my problem (and a terrifying number of others who have come to love this show) is with the new spin destroying what was the heart and soul of the whole premise - the love between Vincent and Catherine - that no matter what was done to him, he would NEVER HURT HER - thats unconditional - I spent a little time emailing all the people I could remember introducing to this show to see if they were watching the new episodes and if so did they like this spin - only got 11 replies out of 38 and two people said it was BORING - almost cried. The rest all commented on them not being sure what sort of show it was - is it a supersoldier sci fi action series with an annoying, whiny female or is it a love story because they didnt see any romance, just some totally hot guy getting it on with an emotionally fragile woman - is this what we are now reduced to??? The problem with absolutes is that they paint people into corners with no room for mistakes, forgiveness, growth, or movement. The only absolute I'm aware of is death and taxes. Vincent Ryan Keller, the MD with the heart of gold who rashly signed up for a government experiment and wound up becoming a cross-species freak, is not--I repeat--is not the one who shoved Catherine across the roof. Vincent Ryan Keller supercharged cross-species freak doesn't know Catherine or love Catherine. The best he can offer her at the moment is that he feels an inexplicable pull towards her, but that pull is not overriding his mission programming...yet. BTW, S1 Vincent did hurt Catherine while he was sorting out his situation with Alex. I mention this because it is not possible not to be hurt by someone else in a relationship. The hurts can be large or small, physical or emotional, but they will happen and then people have to deal with them. As far as recruiting people to watch the show, I've never done that. My friends know what I'm interested in and if they're curious they can check it out. If they like it fine, if they don't that's fine, too. I can't be responsible for or worry about the fate of a television show. All I can say is I enjoy it. I'm behind it. I support it by purchasing iTunes season passes and the DVD set. I adore Jay and Kristen, I'm hooked on Vincent and Catherine. If people are dismissing BATB as a "supersoldier sci fi action series with an annoying, whiny female or is it a love story because they didnt see any romance, just some totally hot guy getting it on with an emotionally fragile woman," then they never got it from giddy-up. We've had 2-- 2--episodes and all I'm hearing is gloom and doom. Seems to me people are unwilling to give the season a chance and/or see how things fall into place. In this, a lot of fans are acting like Catherine. I'd say stuck on stupid, but I don't want to alienate my friends so I'll go with stuck on season 1. I'm sorry to be the cold hard voice of reason, but I'm really cringing over a lot of the fan reaction. It could end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy, you know? And seriously, if any of the naysayers can do better, I urge them to find jobs in the entertainment industry and make serial television a better place for the viewing public. But remember, you'll be subject to the same relentless complaining and whining because it's impossible to please everyone.
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Oct 18, 2013 10:33:02 GMT -5
Great discussion Beasties. I honestly, see the valid points of the opposing sides......but, I don't understand the "boycott" mentality. I think much of the talk is to communicate to TPTB that they DO NOT want cheap tactics or plotholes..........but keep the characters true to the foundation that was built in Season 1. The reality is that they made Vincent REPROGRAMMED for a reason and that he really isn't the same Beast we fell in love with. I think that the writers mentioned that the REAL Vincent will emerge and in the meantime we will have to endure the ride back to VinCat Paradise. I am not excusing the shove that Vincent did to Cat......but I don't want to see that ever again, physically OR emotionally. I think you can show drama without totally destroying a character's soul. So, I will wait at least till Mid Season Break to panic about the direction of the show. Meantime, I don't know if someone posted the Blog from the girls at Showcase........still funny and cute! www.showcase.ca/blogs/3219/beauty-and-the-beauty-on-kidnappedAnother observation: Vincent to Cat quote from Season 1 ..."You see me when I don't want any one else to see me,......and you haven't run" I think the scene at the club with the Beast 0n Beast fight is important. Catherine goes after Vincent after he scolds her in the club. He is harsh, and tells her they are not "boyfriend and girlfriend". Cat finds him in full Beast mode fighting another Beast. Vincent kills the other Beast guy and turns to look at Catherine still in full Beast mode. Cat looks at him......shocked not by Vincent, but the fact she just witnessed another Full Beast. Vincent in full Beast does not feel threatened by Cat but takes off with the body of the other Beast. I thought that as angry as Vincent was at Catherine at the club for tracking him and getting in the way of his mission, Vincent would stay clear of Cat. But the next thing you see is Vincent on the roof with Cat wanting to hang out and plan a future picnic. I thought that was a bit strange. Then I thought about the shove that Vincent did and the great REMORSE he showed and then it hit me. I thought back to the Episode 1.02 "Proceed with Caution".....Cat pushed his buttons then too and he beasted out but hit the wall. He looked at Cat and saw her looking at him, but she didn't run. In Episode 2.02 "Kidnapped", Vincent in Beast form looked at Cat and she didn't run............I think it was important that in that moment, Vincent had to know that this woman,( who he doesn't remember), didn't run from his Beastly side! Cat, IMO, had to have shown Vincent in that moment that she wasn't repulsed by him and that there must be something much deeper. Because, lets face it, the whole VinCat sex scene was all about LUST........unknown ATTRACTION and PULL..........and not really about LOVE at that moment. So, when Vincent came to Cat on the roof, I think he came knowing that Cat was not just seducing him but as someone trying to tell him that she really does have feelings for him. Then after he hurt her, he showed so much remorse. I think that the next episode will calm the waters a bit. Vincent is starting to realize his feelings about Cat and he will be overwhelmed by them which in turn will cause much conflict for him. He will find that Catherine is in defensive mode now and it will drive him crazy. I think we all have to view first part of the season as one long arc........let it unfold and be more patient. It will be much more enjoyable that way. Come on Monday..........
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Oct 18, 2013 10:58:20 GMT -5
Great discussion Beasties. I honestly, see the valid points of the opposing sides......but, I don't understand the "boycott" mentality. I think much of the talk is to communicate to TPTB that they DO NOT want cheap tactics or plotholes..........but keep the characters true to the foundation that was built in Season 1. The reality is that they made Vincent REPROGRAMMED for a reason and that he really isn't the same Beast we fell in love with. I think that the writers mentioned that the REAL Vincent will emerge and in the meantime we will have to endure the ride back to VinCat Paradise. I am not excusing the shove that Vincent did to Cat......but I don't want to see that ever again, physically OR emotionally. I think you can show drama without totally destroying a character's soul. So, I will wait at least till Mid Season Break to panic about the direction of the show. Meantime, I don't know if someone posted the Blog from the girls at Showcase........still funny and cute! www.showcase.ca/blogs/3219/beauty-and-the-beauty-on-kidnappedAnother observation: Vincent to Cat quote from Season 1 ..."You see me when I don't want any one else to see me,......and you haven't run" I think the scene at the club with the Beast 0n Beast fight is important. Catherine goes after Vincent after he scolds her in the club. He is harsh, and tells her they are not "boyfriend and girlfriend". Cat finds him in full Beast mode fighting another Beast. Vincent kills the other Beast guy and turns to look at Catherine still in full Beast mode. Cat looks at him......shocked not by Vincent, but the fact she just witnessed another Full Beast. Vincent in full Beast does not feel threatened by Cat but takes off with the body of the other Beast. I thought that as angry as Vincent was at Catherine at the club for tracking him and getting in the way of his mission, Vincent would stay clear of Cat. But the next thing you see is Vincent on the roof with Cat wanting to hang out and plan a future picnic. I thought that was a bit strange. Then I thought about the shove that Vincent did and the great REMORSE he showed and then it hit me. I thought back to the Episode 1.02 "Proceed with Caution".....Cat pushed his buttons then too and he beasted out but hit the wall. He looked at Cat and saw her looking at him, but she didn't run. In Episode 2.02 "Kidnapped", Vincent in Beast form looked at Cat and she didn't run............I think it was important that in that moment, Vincent had to know that this woman,( who he doesn't remember), didn't run from his Beastly side! Cat, IMO, had to have shown Vincent in that moment that she wasn't repulsed by him and that there must be something much deeper. Because, lets face it, the whole VinCat sex scene was all about LUST........unknown ATTRACTION and PULL..........and not really about LOVE at that moment. So, when Vincent came to Cat on the roof, I think he came knowing that Cat was not just seducing him but as someone trying to tell him that she really does have feelings for him. Then after he hurt her, he showed so much remorse. I think that the next episode will calm the waters a bit. Vincent is starting to realize his feelings about Cat and he will be overwhelmed by them which in turn will cause much conflict for him. He will find that Catherine is in defensive mode now and it will drive him crazy. I think we all have to view first part of the season as one long arc........let it unfold and be more patient. It will be much more enjoyable that way. Come on Monday.......... No words, you described it perfectly, thanks!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Oct 18, 2013 12:20:11 GMT -5
Great discussion Beasties. I honestly, see the valid points of the opposing sides......but, I don't understand the "boycott" mentality. I think much of the talk is to communicate to TPTB that they DO NOT want cheap tactics or plotholes..........but keep the characters true to the foundation that was built in Season 1. The reality is that they made Vincent REPROGRAMMED for a reason and that he really isn't the same Beast we fell in love with. I think that the writers mentioned that the REAL Vincent will emerge and in the meantime we will have to endure the ride back to VinCat Paradise. I am not excusing the shove that Vincent did to Cat......but I don't want to see that ever again, physically OR emotionally. I think you can show drama without totally destroying a character's soul. So, I will wait at least till Mid Season Break to panic about the direction of the show. Meantime, I don't know if someone posted the Blog from the girls at Showcase........still funny and cute! www.showcase.ca/blogs/3219/beauty-and-the-beauty-on-kidnappedAnother observation: Vincent to Cat quote from Season 1 ..."You see me when I don't want any one else to see me,......and you haven't run" I think the scene at the club with the Beast 0n Beast fight is important. Catherine goes after Vincent after he scolds her in the club. He is harsh, and tells her they are not "boyfriend and girlfriend". Cat finds him in full Beast mode fighting another Beast. Vincent kills the other Beast guy and turns to look at Catherine still in full Beast mode. Cat looks at him......shocked not by Vincent, but the fact she just witnessed another Full Beast. Vincent in full Beast does not feel threatened by Cat but takes off with the body of the other Beast. I thought that as angry as Vincent was at Catherine at the club for tracking him and getting in the way of his mission, Vincent would stay clear of Cat. But the next thing you see is Vincent on the roof with Cat wanting to hang out and plan a future picnic. I thought that was a bit strange. Then I thought about the shove that Vincent did and the great REMORSE he showed and then it hit me. I thought back to the Episode 1.02 "Proceed with Caution".....Cat pushed his buttons then too and he beasted out but hit the wall. He looked at Cat and saw her looking at him, but she didn't run. In Episode 2.02 "Kidnapped", Vincent in Beast form looked at Cat and she didn't run............I think it was important that in that moment, Vincent had to know that this woman,( who he doesn't remember), didn't run from his Beastly side! Cat, IMO, had to have shown Vincent in that moment that she wasn't repulsed by him and that there must be something much deeper. Because, lets face it, the whole VinCat sex scene was all about LUST........unknown ATTRACTION and PULL..........and not really about LOVE at that moment. So, when Vincent came to Cat on the roof, I think he came knowing that Cat was not just seducing him but as someone trying to tell him that she really does have feelings for him. Then after he hurt her, he showed so much remorse. I think that the next episode will calm the waters a bit. Vincent is starting to realize his feelings about Cat and he will be overwhelmed by them which in turn will cause much conflict for him. He will find that Catherine is in defensive mode now and it will drive him crazy. I think we all have to view first part of the season as one long arc........let it unfold and be more patient. It will be much more enjoyable that way. Come on Monday.......... Totally in sync with all you said. ..PWC has always been one of my vincat favorite episodes. .but now after the fact that he actually did what she thought he never would will surely have effects.. I'll go back to AMP (can you tell I'm bias when it comes to this episode? ) Remember the moment he told her about him having it hard to control himself around her? What was her reaction when he tried to do a simple gesture of grabbing her hand? She pulled away..this is human nature..a reaction of fear... Now what happens after he actually hurts her? After the shock factor and the realization factor comes fear of him doing it again. Here's where he has to make amends and proof to her that not only is he sorry for what he did but he must reassure her and us the audience that he won't do it again. Chasing her...wooing and grovel sound good to me..makes the outcome of a reconciliation that much sweeter and HOTTER of course..yup thinking again sorry lol
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Oct 18, 2013 12:30:40 GMT -5
Totally in sync with all you said. ..PWC has always been one of my vincat favorite episodes. .but now after the fact that he actually did what she thought he never would will surely have effects.. I'll go back to AMP (can you tell I'm bias when it comes to this episode? ) Remember the moment he told her about him having it hard to control himself around her? What was her reaction when he tried to do a simple gesture of grabbing her hand? She pulled away..this is human nature..a reaction of fear... Now what happens after he actually hurts her? After the shock factor and the realization factor comes fear of him doing it again. Here's where he has to make amends and proof to her that not only is he sorry for what he did but he must reassure her and us the audience that he won't do it again. Chasing her...wooing and grovel sound good to me..makes the outcome of a reconciliation that much sweeter and HOTTER of course..yup thinking again sorry lol Exactly............taking your comment to the "Liar, Liar" thread..........
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