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Post by Catherine Chandler on Nov 23, 2013 3:48:34 GMT -5
Katie is talking like outside an fan from the BATB world. She never read a spoiler or anything related to that. She doesn't have time anymore. The only thing she saw before the episode was the preview so that's why she's talking like that right now. The next episode is going to be ruined for her just like it has already been ruined for me because we're cleaning this thread and people kept posting spoilers on here. No I never said she read spoilers I meant while watching the episode..Didn't she have a clue when Tori showed up in the woods?? LOL Why would she be there if it wasn't to cause trouble, no? Because of the same thing she mentioned the kiss doesn't have any logic in the episode. Yes, Tori's role besides being a beast is actually to be something for Vincent and of course they would eventually going to kiss. However that kiss didn't make sense in the episode and that's why you have all these angry fans right now. Sadly the writers wanted this reaction. I just wish they could hire a good PR for the show because they couldn't hide what is that they really want when it comes to the fans. However the reaction that they were expecting went out of the window. I don't think they ever expected people to stop voting for the show and to say that they would stop watching it. I think they just wanted this episode to be one of the most talked episodes of the seasons that's why they including the kiss order than that it doesn't make sense in THIS episode. And because of everything that has happened this week you're seeing all those interviews and tweets explaining the fans how epic VinCat love is and how they are destined to be together. IMO they should start showing the epic love instead of them repeating over and over again how epic they are. Just for the record i hate these words: epic and destiny. They are overrated
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 23, 2013 3:55:47 GMT -5
No I never said she read spoilers I meant while watching the episode..Didn't she have a clue when Tori showed up in the woods?? LOL Why would she be there if it wasn't to cause trouble, no? Because of the same thing she mentioned the kiss doesn't have any logic in the episode. Yes, Tori's role besides being a beast is actually to be something for Vincent and of course they would eventually going to kiss. However that kiss didn't make sense in the episode and that's why you have all these angry fans right now. Sadly the writers wanted this reaction. I just wish they could hire a good PR for the show because they couldn't hide what is that they really want when it comes to the fans. However the reaction that they were expecting went out of the window. I don't think they ever expected people to stop voting for the show and to say that they would stop watching it. I think they just wanted this episode to be one of the most talked episodes of the seasons that's why they including the kiss order than that it doesn't make sense in THIS episode. And because of everything that has happened this week you're seeing all those interviews and tweets explaining the fans how epic VinCat love is and how they are destined to be together. IMO they should start showing the epic love instead of them repeating over and over again how epic they are. Just for the record i hate these words: epic and destiny. They are overrated Epic is overused especially by the BATB cast, crew and show runners. I agree that much. I do believe in destiny though. Now how much destiny plays a part in this show?? ..It's yet to be seen. I never said that the kiss was proper and I am the first that says it was out of place and made no sense BUT to base the episode which up to that point was good is also very wrong. This is my opinion. Others saw it differently. I also thought that the reveal of daddy being handler with BELLS? SERIOUSLY? Couldn't that be done better too?
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Nov 23, 2013 4:17:10 GMT -5
Because of the same thing she mentioned the kiss doesn't have any logic in the episode. Yes, Tori's role besides being a beast is actually to be something for Vincent and of course they would eventually going to kiss. However that kiss didn't make sense in the episode and that's why you have all these angry fans right now. Sadly the writers wanted this reaction. I just wish they could hire a good PR for the show because they couldn't hide what is that they really want when it comes to the fans. However the reaction that they were expecting went out of the window. I don't think they ever expected people to stop voting for the show and to say that they would stop watching it. I think they just wanted this episode to be one of the most talked episodes of the seasons that's why they including the kiss order than that it doesn't make sense in THIS episode. And because of everything that has happened this week you're seeing all those interviews and tweets explaining the fans how epic VinCat love is and how they are destined to be together. IMO they should start showing the epic love instead of them repeating over and over again how epic they are. Just for the record i hate these words: epic and destiny. They are overrated Epic is overused especially by the BATB cast, crew and show runners. I agree that much. I do believe in destiny though. Now how much destiny plays a part in this show?? ..It's yet to be seen. I never said that the kiss was proper and I am the first that says it was out of place and made no sense BUT to base the episode which up to that point was good is also very wrong. This is my opinion. Others saw it differently. I also thought that the reveal of daddy being handler with BELLS? SERIOUSLY? Couldn't that be done better too? IMO you make your own destiny. I'm not going to married some dude just because someone tells me I'm destined to end up together with that person but this is just my opinion I didn't say it was a bad episode. I didn't enjoy it because I had to read every single post of this thread before watching it so it ruined it for me. Regarding the bells commentary and I'm not saying this because I'm a KK/Cat fan but because it's what I'm seeing. All the scenes that should have been important for Catherine's story on the show have been lame this season. Right now from my point of view they just don't care enough to show a good story when it comes to Catherine. Catherine figuring out who her real father was through a picture was stupid. Catherine talking for the first time with her father about how he lied to her and getting along with him. It only took one episode and the episode was never about her. Now they had Catherine figuring out that her father is Vincent's handler because of some bells. It's SO lame. All these events were important not just for Catherine but for the story of the show and i know a lot of people are saying that Catherine's story is going to start on episode 9 ... well, IMO it doesn't make it right to ruin the events I mentioned. Besides I will continue saying this until the show ends. They sold us the idea of a show that was supposed to be of a woman and a man being equals. Why don't they just do the story showing us that? Because if what people are saying is true and Cat's story is going to start on episode 9 knowing this fandom every single hardcore Vincent/Jay fan are going to complain on why the story is only based on Cat. Sigh...I don't believe is going to be about Cat though maybe they can prove me wrong.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 23, 2013 4:28:59 GMT -5
Epic is overused especially by the BATB cast, crew and show runners. I agree that much. I do believe in destiny though. Now how much destiny plays a part in this show?? ..It's yet to be seen. I never said that the kiss was proper and I am the first that says it was out of place and made no sense BUT to base the episode which up to that point was good is also very wrong. This is my opinion. Others saw it differently. I also thought that the reveal of daddy being handler with BELLS? SERIOUSLY? Couldn't that be done better too? IMO you make your own destiny. I'm not going to married some dude just because someone tells me I'm destined to end up together with that person but this is just my opinion I didn't say it was a bad episode. I didn't enjoy it because I had to read every single post of this thread before watching it so it ruined it for me. Regarding the bells commentary and I'm not saying this because I'm a KK/Cat fan but because it's what I'm seeing. All the scenes that should have been important for Catherine's story on the show have been lame this season. Right now from my point of view they just don't care enough to show a good story when it comes to Catherine. Catherine figuring out who her real father because of a picture was stupid. Catherine talking for the first time with her father about how he lied to her and getting along with him. It only took one episode and the episode was never about her. Now they had Catherine figuring out that her father is Vincent's handler because of some bells. It's SO lame. All these events were important not just for Catherine but for the story of the show and i know a lot of people are saying that Catherine's story is going to start on episode 9 ... well, IMO it doesn't make it right to ruin the events I mentioned. Besides I will continue saying this until the show ends. They sold us the idea of a show that was supposed to be of a woman and a man being equals. Why don't they just do the story showing us that? Because if what people are saying is true and Cat's story is going to start on episode 9 knowing this fandom every single hardcore Vincent/Jay fan are going to complain on why the story is only based on Cat. Sigh...I don't believe is going to be about Cat though maybe they can prove me wrong. In this post I agree with you on ALL counts! 1. I agree about giving Vincent a lot of time to show his struggles and resolving them 2. Not giving Catherine proper time to tell her side 3. The lame-less of the REVEALS, I said that the picture in REUNION was a laughable moment. They could have made it more dramatic, I am not a writer but give me a break. Then this last episode the DAMN BELLS LOL ..What I didn't know bells rang that late LOL ..But still I get your point. 4. I love woman who can hold their own and lately I see Catherine stuck in limbo. I do hope they do give her a storyline that won't resolve everything in half an episode. So of those things I agree. Now destiny is another question... In my life I truly feel I was destined to be with my hubby. It's just a feeling I have and I can't explain even if you wanted me too. Let's see what the new year brings us..BUT we first have to get through Man Or Beast first! Will it be KILL THE BEAST? (as in an angry MOB of BEASTIES?? I dunno LOL just in case I have my torch and pitch-fork ready LOL
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Nov 23, 2013 4:57:35 GMT -5
IMO you make your own destiny. I'm not going to married some dude just because someone tells me I'm destined to end up together with that person but this is just my opinion I didn't say it was a bad episode. I didn't enjoy it because I had to read every single post of this thread before watching it so it ruined it for me. Regarding the bells commentary and I'm not saying this because I'm a KK/Cat fan but because it's what I'm seeing. All the scenes that should have been important for Catherine's story on the show have been lame this season. Right now from my point of view they just don't care enough to show a good story when it comes to Catherine. Catherine figuring out who her real father was through a picture was stupid. Catherine talking for the first time with her father about how he lied to her and getting along with him. It only took one episode and the episode was never about her. Now they had Catherine figuring out that her father is Vincent's handler because of some bells. It's SO lame. All these events were important not just for Catherine but for the story of the show and i know a lot of people are saying that Catherine's story is going to start on episode 9 ... well, IMO it doesn't make it right to ruin the events I mentioned. Besides I will continue saying this until the show ends. They sold us the idea of a show that was supposed to be of a woman and a man being equals. Why don't they just do the story showing us that? Because if what people are saying is true and Cat's story is going to start on episode 9 knowing this fandom every single hardcore Vincent/Jay fan are going to complain on why the story is only based on Cat. Sigh...I don't believe is going to be about Cat though maybe they can prove me wrong. In this post I agree with you on ALL counts! 1. I agree about giving Vincent a lot of time to show his struggles and resolving them 2. Not giving Catherine proper time to tell her side 3. The lame-less of the REVEALS, I said that the picture in REUNION was a laughable moment. They could have made it more dramatic, I am not a writer but give me a break. Then this last episode the DAMN BELLS LOL ..What I didn't know bells rang that late LOL ..But still I get your point. 4. I love woman who can hold their own and lately I see Catherine stuck in limbo. I do hope they do give her a storyline that won't resolve everything in half an episode. So of those things I agree. Now destiny is another question... In my life I truly feel I was destined to be with my hubby. It's just a feeling I have and I can't explain even if you wanted me too. Let's see what the new year brings us..BUT we first have to get through Man Or Beast first! Will it be KILL THE BEAST? (as in an angry MOB of BEASTIES?? I dunno LOL just in case I have my torch and pitch-fork ready LOL When I mentioned the destiny part I meant that no one has to tell you that you're destined to do something. I understand and respect you feel like that about your husband but I'm assuming no one told you that you were destined to married him? You felt that you were supposed to end up together once you met him and got married? But when it comes to the show they keep saying Cat and Vincent are destined to be together so fans don't need to worry about a kiss or Vincent getting close to a female beast who has a connection that he will never have with Cat . Yes, drama makes a good show and yes, I agree they shouldn't be together right now but if they're going to make drama use good plots to do that. - Tori and Vincent will have a connection that Cat and Vincent will never have? Seriously? Is that epic for you? Next time they should use better words to explain their relationship because it ruins the whole fairy tale story and the whole epic love for lots of fans. - Vincent calling and making Cat feel like a one night stand. They shouldn't have gone there and let's not forget the shove. This is why they're losing a lot of KK fans who were only watching the show for her. Catherine used to be a strong independent woman last season. Now she doesn't care if a guy hits her and she doesn't care if her boyfriend kisses another woman. Being mad at the man she is destined to be with doesn't ruin the story, it will actually make sense. What it doesn't make sense is that she cannot get mad at Vincent for more than 5 minutes. Please make Catherine have a little respect for herself.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 23, 2013 5:18:43 GMT -5
One thing I have noticed and maybe that's cause of the direction the show has taken is that KK has been subdued since last season. I don't think her character would have taken the bull she's taken in the last 7 episodes but I am hoping that things change mid season and upto the end. We can truly use an up in viewing and the ratings. That much I am sure NO matter where we stand in this debate or discussion we are all in sync on. As angry as many are I think they want to see the show go on.
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Nov 23, 2013 5:25:52 GMT -5
One thing I have noticed and maybe that's cause of the direction the show has taken is that KK has been subdued since last season. I don't think her character would have taken the bull she's taken in the last 7 episodes but I am hoping that things change mid season and upto the end. We can truly use an up in viewing and the ratings. That much I am sure NO matter where we stand in this debate or discussion we are all in sync on. As angry as many are I think they want to see the show go on. I really hope so, Yolie because it's not fun to watch your favorite character being nothing on a show when she's supposed to be one the main characters. However, I'm not giving up. I can't give up I'm putting my last hope on the rest of the season and I hope it gets better for everyone.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 23, 2013 5:45:13 GMT -5
One thing I have noticed and maybe that's cause of the direction the show has taken is that KK has been subdued since last season. I don't think her character would have taken the bull she's taken in the last 7 episodes but I am hoping that things change mid season and upto the end. We can truly use an up in viewing and the ratings. That much I am sure NO matter where we stand in this debate or discussion we are all in sync on. As angry as many are I think they want to see the show go on. I really hope so, Yolie because it's not fun to watch your favorite character being nothing on a show when she's supposed to be one the main characters. However, I'm not giving up. I can't give up I'm putting my last hope on the rest of the season and I hope it gets better for everyone. That's my hope too Karen. That's why I continue to do EVERYTHING in my power to give positive vibes, vote, enlist, make notes, tweet, trend anything and everything to bring attention to the show! As for KK she's a tough cookie, I'm sure she'll show her true colors as the CC we saw in season 1, that's my hope and that's what I'm sticking too
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Post by Vincent Keller on Nov 23, 2013 9:53:16 GMT -5
This is why they're losing a lot of KK fans who were only watching the show for her. Catherine used to be a strong independent woman last season. Now she doesn't care if a guy hits her and she doesn't care if her boyfriend kisses another woman. Being mad at the man she is destined to be with doesn't ruin the story, it will actually make sense. What it doesn't make sense is that she cannot get mad at Vincent for more than 5 minutes. Please make Catherine have a little respect for herself. ^ Exactly! It does not make it more "true, destined love" that Catherine keeps accepting everything he does! There have to be healthy boundaries, that in this case would be a strong woman's NORMAL reaction. Yolie, no that Beast/Beast kiss didn't surprise me. I didn't say I was blindsided by it. I said it makes no sense in the plot. I did like the ep overall. And trust me, I'm all for the drama, but the drama needs to be logical. That of course doesn't mean for a second that I'm going to bail on BATB!
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Nov 23, 2013 10:38:41 GMT -5
Karen and Katie.........you express so much about Catherine that I am feeling. I think that when Vincent "broke up" with Cat.....he said 'if you don't walk away, I will"........it was so similar when Vincent told Cat that Alex would leave everything and go with him and he asked Cat "would you"?........it was a slap in the face BOTH times. Yes, there were "reasons" that Vincent did that to Cat......but it was just brutal to watch. I keep thinking that if I was Catherine there is a point where I would just lay Vincent out. I don't think Catherine has let Vincent truly know how much he has hurt her. I don't think he realizes how much she hurts and misses what they had and I think that should have been shown. Surely Catherine grieves for the OLD VINCENT. His memory loss is like a "death". The writers have missed the boat and not showing how difficult that had to be on her. Vincent said in Reunion that he realizes how much she has given for him...........but, when he broke up with her, I want his face to show how much he was hurting too. Instead he looked away..........and I thought for a second he was looking for Tori.........that is what I don't want to question. I don't want to question Vincent 2.0 feelings for Catherine and so far they aren't as solid or as evident to the viewer as I would of hoped by now they would be.
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Nov 24, 2013 2:26:29 GMT -5
Hello Save Each Other Members:
I'm just posting this on the episodes and spoilers threads so everyone can be aware.
While we always welcome everyone on this board as well as each member's opinions, we are at heart a fan site dedicated to supporting the show. As such, we kindly ask that those who no longer wish to support and watch the show to please refrain from bringing your decision to not watch up in posts REPEATEDLY. We respect members decisions to no longer watch the show, and understand that they don't like the direction the show is taking, however several posts are coming across as advocating that others stop watching as well and that is not what a fan site is about.
I'm kindly asking you to please tone it down a little. No one is forcing anyone to continue watching the show, and no one should feel like they have to stop watching because others are as well. So please do not make your posts about trying to gather support for not watching. If the show makes you this angry and upset, the best thing you can do is forget about the show and anything related to it and move on. This is me asking everyone nicely.
Thank you for your cooperation on this matter.
Karen.
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Post by dan on Dec 19, 2013 2:04:32 GMT -5
Well, this episode show us that TPTB really had learned their lessons when they took the “How to blow up a fan base in 7 episodes” class.
I really thought that the beginning was good with Vincent putting out in the open – even though I hated the abusive attack on Cat – that he’s not fooled by Cat’s attempts of masking her distrust on him. Not that he doesn’t deserve it, but I think it was about time that someone made Cat see what was really going on between them and I’m glad that Vincent was the one to do it.
Of course, being that this episode was written to BatB, the good part only last like 15 seconds because, next thing we know, VinCat are at Daddy Dearest’s dream-house playing an absurd game of cat and mouse with psycho-handler.
And the absurdity doesn’t end there. Out of nowhere, we have Gabe and Tori joing the Thanks-hell-giving party, only to make Vincent lose control on Psycho-Daddy-Dearest-Manipulative-Handler which, in turn, gives said psycho the right to corner Vincent with the MOST OVERLY USED role of a father demanding the violent boyfriend to leave his daughter alone. The worst of all? Vincent doesn't even finch before accepting it. Oh, and let’s not forget that, although Psycho-Daddy-Dearest-Manipulative-Handler never made part of Cat’s live, he loves her dearly and just wants what’s best for her! And I dared to think he’s a bad guy! How stupid am I?
Although I was waiting for this ToriCent from the moment I got word of her character, I can honestly say that I’m stunned. Not because it actually happened, but because we’re again in a situation where the fandom is throwing excuse over excuse for Vincent’s behavior.
Again, Vincent has absolutely no fault at all on cheating openly on the woman he’s currently committed romantically. It's not his fault that he cheated on Alex with Gabriella, it's not his fault that he abandoned Cat to follow brainless Alex and it’s not his fault that he’s kissing Tori. Actually, the last two are Cat’s fault!
That’s great! I’m so thrilled to be part of a sexist show’s fandom!
I’m taking a break from this show. Good luck with the voting and getting 3rd season because I won’t be one to participate on any of it. Writers of this show certainly don`t know what abusive relationship really means. They can`t just victimize Cat and all excuses for Vincent`s hostile behaviour and expect everyone would just be ok with it. They don`t know what epic love really means nomatter how often they used it to describe their writing. Cat is blind and Vincent is abusive. I certainly don`t condone the fans to just go along with that. Don`t trust them, they don`t know what they`re doing and not capable of writing good "romance show".
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Jan 30, 2014 19:45:25 GMT -5
Holy crapstorm!! the recap is SO much better than episode! My abs hurt from laughing. I loved the part about how Vincent and Catherine are the worst at secret codes and how awkward the famous pumpkin cookie conversation was. It actually makes me want to watch some scenes again… These two are so funny. Does anyone have a copy of the transcript/lines of the pumpkin cookie convo? I video would be great too. I have been hoping to watch it again, now that I have read more about this episode trying to figure out the future plots. I remember that convo being so funny the first time, but the CW have taken the episode offline. Thanks!
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Post by pippin on Sept 2, 2015 22:17:57 GMT -5
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Sept 2, 2015 23:06:38 GMT -5
I know I'm late to the discussion but just wanted to say that for me having another beast come in especially a she beast could have been so much better if they hadn't decided to go to the age old love triangle plot which might work in some show's but BATB isn't one of them, and for me I would have liked to see Lafferty come into as the she beast and Vincent help. I never liked the sound of Tori from the moment I read she was coming into it and just knew that all the bull that she wasn't going to be a threat to Vincat was just that bull and I have to say I could very easily have slapped Vincent for allowing the kiss to happen and making no efforts apart from his lame ' I can't do this' said in the most unconvincing way ever said to move away from her but embrace the kiss and then after Cat walk's off he look's back in Tori's direction I honestly felt at that time that Cat was way better off without him and how the kiss did'nt bother her when she was so upset and hurt with the whole Alex situation just did'nt make sense to me either. Everytime Tori and Vincent were on the screen I hated it and especially her constant us, we, together, our future was just already we get it girl you wanted Vincent and you got him and he no correcting her again I could have slapped him, I'll admit I've never wanted to slap Vincent so much in season 2 in my life, but like it's been said Cat did let it happen to until she decided enough was enough. I agree to how BKern and co ever thought that splitting them the way they did and then what followed with T and G (puke)would not piss fan's off is beyond me they really have no idea or it seem's they don't get what the core of the story is and just want a action show with as little romance as possible so why BKern came into a show with the legacy of being about love is beyond me. I always accepted that Vincent was different when he came back how could he not be but once they had him push Cat and be so cold about their one night together did make me not like Vincent for some of season 2 and I would have liked to sea him and Cat rebuild memories together, hell even he and JT should have had more time after all that JT did for him over the year's. Agree to about the photo how on earth does that tell Cat that reyonalds is her dad he could have been there for anyone and the bell's to loads of churches have bells so again unless it's a specific tune they ring at each church it doesn't make sense. I have always said that season to is my least faviourite and a lot of it is because othe triangles they decided on and I can't watch the episodes with Tori in she really rubs me the wrong way and Gabe isn't much better.
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