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Post by feezya on Nov 21, 2013 5:03:19 GMT -5
Can I just clarify one thing?
People keep saying that the beasties that are disappointed with the show – like me – right now are negative and that we’re refusing to see how good this new season is. There’s even people that kindly asked us to get out of the forum and stop posting replies.
I find this so offensive in so many levels.
I’m not here to pick up a fight with anyone, I just want to take some things out of my chest.
I came here to talk about the show because I don’t have anyone else to talk about it. Not a single one of my friends and family watch it with me. Being a beastie is kind of a lonely place where I am. That’s why this forum is so important to me.
I’m really mad right now with TPTB. Unlike what people might think, I don’t want to hate the show. I want to love it unconditionally, the same way I did on S1. And that’s what I find offensive in all the hatred I see here towards disappointed beasties because I’m one of them. People treat us as if we wanted to destroy the show. I can’t really talk for anyone here, but, for the posts I see here, no one wants that. It’s quite the opposite.
I (and some beasties I see here) am not and never had been mad at Vincent or Cat or Tess, etc. I love all these characters. They’re the reason I keep coming back to the show every week. I don’t think Cat is weak for fighting for Vincent, I don’t think Vincent is a pig because he can’t remember himself and because he was transformed in a cold blooded murder.
I’m mad at TPTB. Not because they changed the dynamics of the show. I thought the new rhythm is great and I really thought that Vincent’s memory loss could be a great plot. I was whole heartedly waiting for what they would give to us. I really was. In some level, I still am. I just can’t find in me to watch the next episode without knowing for sure that they won’t give us “the dark side of the force”.
I’m mad because TPTB know how hard was to beasties to overcome Alex. We lost a lot of viewers during that arc. Some of them never came back. We’re already the smallest fandom on TV right now. They know that the only thing we can’t stand to see is our beloved VinCat to be broken over something as mundane as an attractive woman calling Vincent’s attention. The same goes to Cat. They know that.
Well, I think I already said too much. I just wanted to let people know how unjust is of them to accuse us, disappointed beasties, to hate Vincent, Catherine or the show. I just wanted to make you see what I see. Sorry for the rant. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE! I love the fantasy of LOVE......that is why we watch TV, movies, and read books......because that "version" of Love and Relationships is sometimes "richer", "deeper", more "Self-sacrificing" but there is a REALITY that creeps in. That LIFE or LOVE in reality is not always so uplifting and Euphoric. When those of us who see things and put on the brakes and say "WHOA" there.........'that doesn't sit right with me'.....or 'that really shouldn't happen because of X,Y,Z'.......or i'f he/she really loved this person they would act like this or that'. It is all based on one's own experiences and trials. The "negativity" that others refer to is a HUMAN REACTION to something each one of us draws from our experiences or the way WE SEE how others should be treated or HOW WE would want to be treated in a situation. EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM HAS A RIGHT TO FEEL THE WAY THEY DO and like you said, Vincent Chandler, we come here to express ourselves because only other Beasties can understand and relate to what we feel good or bad. As we post we can all see the many different points of view......we can even change our minds after reading another point of view..........we can even CONSOLE those who are upset and hurting because what we all have in COMMON is that we CARE ABOUT THIS DARN SHOW!!! ALL OF US CARE, albeit, at different levels and degrees. If some of you are tired of the so called "Negativity"........I am tired of having people trying to shut others up from expressing themselves.........in essence, some of you saying that those who feel upset or "Negative" there must be something wrong with you and you are "TOXIC" and "POISON" to this forum. Yes, those words were used. We are a Beastie Family here.......and like all families, some members are more challenging at times than others BUT YOU STILL LOVE THEM! You don't call them TOXIC or POISON........and then try to put them in a corner until they can come back in the room and play nice!! In the real world there are ups and downs and yes, loop de loops but you deal with each and every thing and have DIFFERENT FEELINGS about each situation. You enjoy the Highs and hate the Lows.......But most of all you hang on to HOPE! We are here posting because we have HOPE..........if we don't, we leave. ...... NO ONE HERE is staying and posting because we purposely want to rain on anyone's parade and just want to make others miserable! (Contrary to what some feel) ....Some of us have even APOLOGIZED for our feelings and sharing their disappointments. But instead of being understanding, some want to just point out the "FLAWS in US" of negativity. If you all had a friend who was feeling down and "negative" would you try to help them or would you scold them and call them out on their feelings and tell them that they are being TOXIC to your friendship? I hope not,.......instead you would LISTEN, try to understand, maybe offer advice, encourage them....and basically CARE FOR THEM!! These next few episodes will be challenging, so many emotions and reactions will be expressed, let's all try to remember that WE ALL BRING SOME VALUE TO THE DISCUSSIONS.........and we may disagree or agree, but we are HERE because we want to support the show, period! i agree with both u and @vincentchandler. we are a family here, we discussed our opinions, we don't have to agree with each other.we present our points and even try to change each others view during disagreement. the main word here is "respectfully". i am one of those who the used the word "negative energy" and invite people to leave this forum (which now i realized i'm not suppose to do) but i apologize if a lot of you feel it's referring to you; those who still care about this show but upset with this episode. my intention was for those who said they don't want to see this show anymore, couldn't care about it anymore and don't want to vote for batb anymore, but kept writing in this forum over and over again about the same thing. i just don't get it Again, my apologies.
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Post by Nelly on Nov 21, 2013 5:15:16 GMT -5
First of all don't take everything personally if it was not meant for you. Negativity: it's not about disliking en episode and telling what you didn't like. Negativity goes for: 1. we are not winning the PCA award for Kristin or Batb 2. the ratings will decrease next week 3. look at that spoiler, I am already hating what’s coming up 4. writers can not fix this 5. we are not getting a third season 6. taking all worst scenarios (fan's speculation) as granted and talking about it as it is already happening Negativity is an attitude implying one has lost all hope! If you lost hope why are you putting energy in it? Without hope and belief you will get nowhere in life. Many say we are a family here but looks like only those who should consider their behavior are those who like what they see. As the ones who dislike an episode and want to share their opinion can do whatever they want and talk however they want. Call others names. If the ones who dislike an episode are victims on this board then those who like it are too. Yes, friends are there for friends to help. We shouldn't let down those who need help or comfort. BUT there is a point when you can not spend more time and energy on them because they are poison to your health. I am using this word because that's what’s happening here too. When you continuously read the same complaints it is overwhelming and people just leave without saying a word because it is toxic. I know those who are sad want to let out their frustration but they should also consider what effect that has on the others. How does someone expect us to be a family if they are even making threats? Not voting, not watching, telling others not to watch. You are expecting me to beg you to stay when you are threatening me? What kind of behavior is that? Is that what we call family? If you disagree with the storyline writers are giving us and you want to let the writers know that they should change their minds, the other half of the fandom who liked it will definitely protest. Why do the upset ones have more right to tell the writers to change the direction of the show? If they don't listen, again people are upset but they never consider the other half of the fandom who agrees with the plot.
All I want to say is ALWAYS take a look at the other side and don't act like you are the victim here.
About the voting: What if the writers surprise us next week? What if you like what happens? Then voting for this week would have suffered for nothing. Vote for the great hardworking cast!
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Post by feezya on Nov 21, 2013 5:20:40 GMT -5
First of all don't take everything personally if it was not meant for you. Negativity: it's not about disliking en episode and telling what you didn't like. Negativity goes for: 1. we are not winning the PCA award for Kristin or Batb 2. the ratings will decrease next week 3. look at that spoiler, I am already hating what’s coming up 4. writers can not fix this 5. we are not getting a third season 6. taking all worst scenarios (fan's speculation) as granted and talking about it as it is already happening Negativity is an attitude implying one has lost all hope! If you lost hope why are you putting energy in it? Without hope and belief you will get nowhere in life. Many say we are a family here but looks like only those who should consider their behavior are those who like what they see. As the ones who dislike an episode and want to share their opinion can do whatever they want and talk however they want. Call others names. If the ones who dislike an episode are victims on this board then those who like it are too. Yes, friends are there for friends to help. We shouldn't let down those who need help or comfort. BUT there is a point when you can not spend more time and energy on them because they are poison to your health. I am using this word because that's what’s happening here too. When you continuously read the same complaints it is overwhelming and people just leave without saying a word because it is toxic. I know those who are sad want to let out their frustration but they should also consider what effect that has on the others. How does someone expect us to be a family if they are even making threats? Not voting, not watching, telling others not to watch. You are expecting me to beg you to stay when you are threatening me? What kind of behavior is that? Is that what we call family? If you disagree with the storyline writers are giving us and you want to let the writers know that they should change their minds, the other half of the fandom who liked it will definitely protest. Why do the upset ones have more right to tell the writers to change the direction of the show? If they don't listen, again people are upset but they never consider the other half of the fandom who agrees with the plot. All I want to say is ALWAYS take a look at the other side and don't act like you are the victim here. About the voting: What if the writers surprise us next week? What if you like what happens? Then voting for this week would have suffered for nothing. Vote for the great hardworking cast! Thank you for expressing this so much better than i do
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Post by feezya on Nov 21, 2013 5:21:55 GMT -5
Nurse Spydancer is here!! LOL. LOL You're gonna be needed in a few minutes, SOMETHING I'm gonna post either gonna be funny or gonna get people angry, But it's what US beasties feel! Oh and it's in the SPOILER GENERAL THREAD LOL! oh oh.. "my heart's racing"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 5:38:44 GMT -5
First of all don't take everything personally if it was not meant for you. Negativity: it's not about disliking en episode and telling what you didn't like. Negativity goes for: 1. we are not winning the PCA award for Kristin or Batb 2. the ratings will decrease next week 3. look at that spohiler, I am already hating what’s coming up 4. writers can not fix this 5. we are not getting a third season 6. taking all worst scenarios (fan's speculation) as granted and talking about it as it is already happening Negativity is an attitude implying one has lost all hope! If you lost hope why are you putting energy in it? Without hope and belief you will get nowhere in life. Many say we are a family here but looks like only those who should consider their behavior are those who like what they see. As the ones who dislike an episode and want to share their opinion can do whatever they want and talk however they want. Call others names. If the ones who dislike an episode are victims on this board then those who like it are too. Yes, friends are there for friends to help. We shouldn't let down those who need help or comfort. BUT there is a point when you can not spend more time and energy on them because they are poison to your health. I am using this word because that's what’s happening here too. When you continuously read the same complaints it is overwhelming and people just leave without saying a word because it is toxic. I know those who are sad want to let out their frustration but they should also consider what effect that has on the others. How does someone expect us to be a family if they are even making threats? Not voting, not watching, telling others not to watch. You are expecting me to beg you to stay when you are threatening me? What kind of behavior is that? Is that what we call family? If you disagree with the storyline writers are giving us and you want to let the writers know that they should change their minds, the other half of the fandom who liked it will definitely protest. Why do the upset ones have more right to tell the writers to change the direction of the show? If they don't listen, again people are upset but they never consider the other half of the fandom who agrees with the plot. All I want to say is ALWAYS take a look at the other side and don't act like you are the victim here. About the voting: What if the writers surprise us next week? What if you like what happens? Then voting for this week would have suffered for nothing. Vote for the great hardworking cast! And you're a Mod... Ironic.
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Nov 21, 2013 5:45:10 GMT -5
1. Edited some posts that have spoilers and speculations about future episodes. Please DO NOT post that on here. This is a discussion thread. If you want to discuss spoilers and specualtions go the right thread.
2. Please respect others. Take personal problems to private message (PM) rather than hashing out those issues on the board. No personal attacks. Respect opinions, even if you disagree.
3. For the people who feel that everything is negative on here. Why don't you post what you love about the episode? The ones who didn't enjoy the episode keep posting and posting what they feel. So why don't you post what you love? Why are you letting them affect you that much? This is General Forum which means anyone is welcome to post what they feel. Complaining about what they're posting is not going to make it better is actually going to make it worse.
4. Post what you feel as long as you respect the rules.
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Nov 21, 2013 8:51:53 GMT -5
1. Edited some posts that have spoilers and speculations about future episodes. Please DO NOT post that on here. This is a discussion thread. If you want to discuss spoilers and specualtions go the right thread.
2. Please respect others. Take personal problems to private message (PM) rather than hashing out those issues on the board. No personal attacks. Respect opinions, even if you disagree.
3. For the people who feel that everything is negative on here. Why don't you post what you love about the episode? The ones who didn't enjoy the episode keep posting and posting what they feel. So why don't you post what you love? Why are you letting them affect you that much? This is General Forum which means anyone is welcome to post what they feel. Complaining about what they're posting is not going to make it better is actually going to make it worse.
4. Post what you feel as long as you respect the rules. I'm sorry for the long delay on unlocking the thread. You can now continue the discussion of the episode. Thank you for your understanding and patience.
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Post by Nelly on Nov 21, 2013 9:27:36 GMT -5
Regarding the ironic comment.
Just because I am a mod I can't have an opinion? Show me one occasion when I took sides when moderating the threads. That's what I thought. Think before you judge.
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Nov 21, 2013 10:58:47 GMT -5
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Nov 21, 2013 11:03:05 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread, it may be my most coherent rant, and my last few thoughts before I give 2x07 a rest, so I'm sharing here too…
Bookworm, you are right, of course, and that is why, despite my better judgement, I am hanging in there to see what transpires… but I have a really bad feeling about the Tori character. I feel like Amber Skye has said some things, to defend her character, about how Tori has a legitimate story to tell, etc, and that shows defense on her part… which makes me nervous. Of course Tori doesn't have a story to tell us. She is a plot device, IMO, plain and simple.
The sad thing is that the Tori character could be interesting, I mean, just the idea of an original, a first of her kind, the transformation into a beast… all of that stuff, it could be really good. And the fact that Vincent gets vicious in her presence, also could account for some of his actions around other beasts… But they have already spoiled that for us, dumbing her down into a vehicle of VinCat destruction. The writers did that all on their own by making her someone or something that Vincent is attracted to and uncontrolled around. Except that he knows he should stay away from her, and doesn't. There in lies the crux of the problem. If Vincent doesn't stay away from her, he is complicit in whatever transpires. He opened the door to her, and invited her in, when he said "Come here," and like any human male would, took her in his arms and proceeded to comfort her. What is animalistic about any of it? None of it.
Which leads me to my final issue. What about anything that happened between Tori and Vincent during the kiss/hug heard around the BATB world was the least bit animalistic or primal, or any other thing attributable to their beast sides? IF they want us to buy this animal-instinct-she-beast-attraction business, why didn't they both change completely when they touched each other? Why did they choose to engage in an act that is most distinctly intimate and human, like hugging, holding hands, and kissing? Do animals do such things? Uh, yeah, not like that they don't. It's more like growling and circling each other, and then one more or less forcing the other into a position of submission… If they want us to buy the beast on she-beast attraction business, they are going to have to stop acting like human lovers. I mean, in the end it IS about the imagination and creativity of the writers, and their ability to sell us on the story that we find compelling. Vincent and Tori, and animal attraction? I don't buy it. What happened there looked very human to me.
ETA: But, as they say, hope dies last. I'm trying to hold onto what little I have left.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 11:17:14 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread, it may be my most coherent rant, and my last few thoughts before I give 2x07 a rest, so I'm sharing here too… Bookworm, you are right, of course, and that is why, despite my better judgement, I am hanging in there to see what transpires… but I have a really bad feeling about the Tori character. I feel like Amber Skye has said some things, to defend her character, about how Tori has a legitimate story to tell, etc, and that shows defense on her part… which makes me nervous. Of course Tori doesn't have a story to tell us. She is a plot device, IMO, plain and simple.
The sad thing is that the Tori character could be interesting, I mean, just the idea of an original, a first of her kind, the transformation into a beast… all of that stuff, it could be really good. And the fact that Vincent gets vicious in her presence, also could account for some of his actions around other beasts… But they have already spoiled that for us, dumbing her down into a vehicle of VinCat destruction. The writers did that all on their own by making her someone or something that Vincent is attracted to and uncontrolled around. Except that he knows he should stay away from her, and doesn't. There in lies the crux of the problem. If Vincent doesn't stay away from her, he is complicit in whatever transpires. He opened the door to her, and invited her in, when he said "Come here," and like any human male would, took her in his arms and proceeded to comfort her. What is animalistic about any of it? None of it.
Which leads me to my final issue. What about anything that happened between Tori and Vincent during the kiss/hug heard around the BATB world was the least bit animalistic or primal, or any other thing attributable to their beast sides? IF they want us to buy this animal-instinct-she-beast-attraction business, why didn't they both change completely when they touched each other? Why did they choose to engage in an act that is most distinctly intimate and human, like hugging, holding hands, and kissing? Do animals do such things? Uh, yeah, not like that they don't. It's more like growling and circling each other, and then one more or less forcing the other into a position of submission… If they want us to buy the beast on she-beast attraction business, they are going to have to stop acting like human lovers. I mean, in the end it IS about the imagination and creativity of the writers, and their ability to sell us on the story that we find compelling. Vincent and Tori, and animal attraction? I don't buy it. What happened there looked very human to me. OMG!!!!! I haven't thought about this like that! I was mad before because they were implying that Vincent's beast don't recognize Catherine as his true mate anymore. S1 had stablished that, as if Beast had an wolf instinct or something. Now I just want to cry and cry hard!
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Nov 21, 2013 11:19:02 GMT -5
Holy <edited>storm!! the recap is SO much better than episode! My abs hurt from laughing. I loved the part about how Vincent and Catherine are the worst at secret codes and how awkward the famous pumpkin cookie conversation was. It actually makes me want to watch some scenes again… These two are so funny.
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Nov 21, 2013 11:29:58 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread, it may be my most coherent rant, and my last few thoughts before I give 2x07 a rest, so I'm sharing here too… There in lies the crux of the problem. If Vincent doesn't stay away from her, he is complicit in whatever transpires. [/i] He opened the door to her, and invited her in, when he said "Come here," and like any human male would, took her in his arms and proceeded to comfort her. What is animalistic about any of it? None of it.
Which leads me to my final issue. What about anything that happened between Tori and Vincent during the kiss/hug heard around the BATB world was the least bit animalistic or primal, or any other thing attributable to their beast sides? IF they want us to buy this animal-instinct-she-beast-attraction business, why didn't they both change completely when they touched each other? Why did they choose to engage in an act that is most distinctly intimate and human, like hugging, holding hands, and kissing? Do animals do such things? Uh, yeah, not like that they don't. It's more like growling and circling each other, and then one more or less forcing the other into a position of submission… If they want us to buy the beast on she-beast attraction business, they are going to have to stop acting like human lovers. I mean, in the end it IS about the imagination and creativity of the writers, and their ability to sell us on the story that we find compelling. Vincent and Tori, and animal attraction? I don't buy it. What happened there looked very human to me. [/quote]OMG!!!!! I haven't thought about this like that! I was mad before because they were implying that Vincent's beast don't recognize Catherine as his true mate anymore. S1 had stablished that, as if Beast had an wolf instinct or something. Now I just want to cry and cry hard! [/quote] No, please don't cry, I'm just pointing out what is obvious to me. I'm not trying to make things worse, but there is a REASON that I am so upset. In the beginning I couldn't even put coherent words together to explain. And now, I find myself compelled to poke holes in this whole beast on she-beast instinctual animalistic attraction thing. They are manipulating our feelings, nothing more, and trying to explain it away with over simplified explanations which do not actually match up with what we see on screen. I expect imaginative and creatively interesting storytelling on this show, not poor excuses and barely concealed plot devices. They are going to have to do better. Period. This whole Tori business just doesn't come up to scratch for me. I don't buy it, I don't believe in any of it, I DON'T want to WATCH it, and at this point, I am literally forcing myself to stay because I LOVE this show. But I do expect them to do better than this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 11:43:40 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread, it may be my most coherent rant, and my last few thoughts before I give 2x07 a rest, so I'm sharing here too… Bookworm, you are right, of course, and that is why, despite my better judgement, I am hanging in there to see what transpires… but I have a really bad feeling about the Tori character. I feel like Amber Skye has said some things, to defend her character, about how Tori has a legitimate story to tell, etc, and that shows defense on her part… which makes me nervous. Of course Tori doesn't have a story to tell us. She is a plot device, IMO, plain and simple.
The sad thing is that the Tori character could be interesting, I mean, just the idea of an original, a first of her kind, the transformation into a beast… all of that stuff, it could be really good. And the fact that Vincent gets vicious in her presence, also could account for some of his actions around other beasts… But they have already spoiled that for us, dumbing her down into a vehicle of VinCat destruction. The writers did that all on their own by making her someone or something that Vincent is attracted to and uncontrolled around. Except that he knows he should stay away from her, and doesn't. There in lies the crux of the problem. If Vincent doesn't stay away from her, he is complicit in whatever transpires. He opened the door to her, and invited her in, when he said "Come here," and like any human male would, took her in his arms and proceeded to comfort her. What is animalistic about any of it? None of it.
Which leads me to my final issue. What about anything that happened between Tori and Vincent during the kiss/hug heard around the BATB world was the least bit animalistic or primal, or any other thing attributable to their beast sides? IF they want us to buy this animal-instinct-she-beast-attraction business, why didn't they both change completely when they touched each other? Why did they choose to engage in an act that is most distinctly intimate and human, like hugging, holding hands, and kissing? Do animals do such things? Uh, yeah, not like that they don't. It's more like growling and circling each other, and then one more or less forcing the other into a position of submission… If they want us to buy the beast on she-beast attraction business, they are going to have to stop acting like human lovers. I mean, in the end it IS about the imagination and creativity of the writers, and their ability to sell us on the story that we find compelling. Vincent and Tori, and animal attraction? I don't buy it. What happened there looked very human to me. Couldn't have say it better! And that's what the writers, producers or whatever are failing to explain us. If ToriCent are animals, why all they do is human? If Vincent was SO overwhelmed by demoniac she-beast, how the simple sound of Cat's heartbeat stopped him? How did he find strenght to desintangle himself from demoniac she-beast? Because she is the one he loves? If his love is so powerful to overcome the power of demoniac she-beast, how was he there in the first place?
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Post by chilly20 on Nov 21, 2013 12:26:26 GMT -5
This is truly hilarious. Have you read the comment by NAD below the post, its hysterical.
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