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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 20, 2013 17:49:48 GMT -5
Yay! .... I am back!!!! That blog gave me hope, she wrote everything that I was feeling in my own heart! This place became toxic and it's nice to know that there are other's, who see beauty in dark places too. Like I always say, there is no night without day .... but the darkness should not be allowed, to replace the day either. So happy you finally saw the light!! Only for that reason, this place is already brighter!
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Post by crazyforv on Nov 20, 2013 17:58:38 GMT -5
.... I am back!!!! That blog gave me hope, she wrote everything that I was feeling in my own heart! This place became toxic and it's nice to know that there are other's, who see beauty in dark places too. Like I always say, there is no night without day .... but the darkness should not be allowed, to replace the day either. So happy you finally saw the light!! Only for that reason, this place is already brighter! Thank you for your kind words. I truly cannot get over what this young lady wrote; eclatantly.tumblr.com/post/67589524164/my-lengthy-batb-rant-again So much maturity and written in such a heartfelt way to the fandom.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 20, 2013 18:06:41 GMT -5
So happy you finally saw the light!! Only for that reason, this place is already brighter! Thank you for your kind words. I truly cannot get over what this young lady wrote; eclatantly.tumblr.com/post/67589524164/my-lengthy-batb-rant-again So much maturity and written in such a heartfelt way to the fandom. I know ... We should thank her for helping those who felt so hopeless these last days. I hope it will have the same effect in others! BACK!!
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Post by feezya on Nov 20, 2013 18:10:28 GMT -5
I have mentioned it before, but this was my safe haven and escape as well, like Yolie, but a few days before this episode even aired, I was so disturbed by all of the Tori speculation and assumption that I had to escape from my escape. I spent two days rereading books from the Fifty Shades of Gray series just to take my mind off BATB. I mean, seriously, when you need an escape from your escape, things aren't good. And as it stands, things are so much worse, I'm looking forward to going to work tomorrow, so that I can't dwell on all this BATB drama. I find it really interesting that you mention fifty shades of grey, because i thought of it too, because the books have enough drama without love triangles or separating the couple for too long....same about crossfire, you always now they love each other and are ment to be (even if the female protagonist in crossfire is also kissed by someone else ) you can count on them.... hmmm... i think it's about time i get this book. but i always stopped reading halfway. don't have the patience the finished them
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Post by feezya on Nov 20, 2013 18:16:05 GMT -5
I find it really interesting that you mention fifty shades of grey, because i thought of it too, because the books have enough drama without love triangles or separating the couple for too long....same about crossfire, you always now they love each other and are ment to be (even if the female protagonist in crossfire is also kissed by someone else ) you can count on them.... I wish TPTB thought the same about BatB. can u imagine if Vincat are doing the things that grey and anna do?
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Post by feezya on Nov 20, 2013 18:21:59 GMT -5
No, not reading too much. Vincent started to be aware of his old life when he started regaining memories and was clear at the end of HotHead and end of Reunion, when he openly acknowledges it to CAt... That's why I say that Vincent was sacrifizing a lot in ep 7, asking mercy to Reynolds for Catherine and the scooby gang, not for himself. And also deciding to break up with her despite he knows she's the only one who can "save" him from becoming a full beast. He puts Catherine well-being and safety ahead of his own... Please remember he doesn't like being a beast.. Not since he "met" Catherine in S2 and was regaining his humanity back (ep 6). He didn't feel comfortable with his missions and killing other beasts anymore. Vincent is in such a struggle right now... I feel sorry for him... He doesn't have any control of his life and his body and he still sacrifices being with the one who can give him some balance for HER OWN SAKE. I Feel sorry for us for being so obsessed with the show, this is more than a full time job. thank god, i am on maternity leave for another few montsh lol but yes, on a serious note completely agree with your post should we be worry, or take that as a complement Wouldn't it be great if we get paid doing this?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 18:28:33 GMT -5
Can I just clarify one thing?
People keep saying that the beasties that are disappointed with the show – like me – right now are negative and that we’re refusing to see how good this new season is. There’s even people that kindly asked us to get out of the forum and stop posting replies.
I find this so offensive in so many levels.
I’m not here to pick up a fight with anyone, I just want to take some things out of my chest.
I came here to talk about the show because I don’t have anyone else to talk about it. Not a single one of my friends and family watch it with me. Being a beastie is kind of a lonely place where I am. That’s why this forum is so important to me.
I’m really mad right now with TPTB. Unlike what people might think, I don’t want to hate the show. I want to love it unconditionally, the same way I did on S1. And that’s what I find offensive in all the hatred I see here towards disappointed beasties because I’m one of them. People treat us as if we wanted to destroy the show. I can’t really talk for anyone here, but, for the posts I see here, no one wants that. It’s quite the opposite.
I (and some beasties I see here) am not and never had been mad at Vincent or Cat or Tess, etc. I love all these characters. They’re the reason I keep coming back to the show every week. I don’t think Cat is weak for fighting for Vincent, I don’t think Vincent is a pig because he can’t remember himself and because he was transformed in a cold blooded murder.
I’m mad at TPTB. Not because they changed the dynamics of the show. I thought the new rhythm is great and I really thought that Vincent’s memory loss could be a great plot. I was whole heartedly waiting for what they would give to us. I really was. In some level, I still am. I just can’t find in me to watch the next episode without knowing for sure that they won’t give us “the dark side of the force”.
Well, I think I already said too much. I just wanted to let people know how unjust is of them to accuse us, disappointed beasties, to hate Vincent, Catherine or the show. I just wanted to make you see what I see. Sorry for the rant.
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Post by stayingwithBATB4ever on Nov 20, 2013 18:29:13 GMT -5
thank you for posting, it is BRILLIANT
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Post by feezya on Nov 20, 2013 18:35:37 GMT -5
awwwwwww... now i love my Batb even more! didn't even know it's possible
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 20, 2013 18:56:56 GMT -5
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i really really hope i personally did not make u feel like that but if i did i am very sorry
forum is as important to me as it is to u so i understand how u feel
i have criticized the show many times in the past where i felt sth was not right - and u probably know that, and will continue to do so and i have always said this is a place for all opinions and views provided theyare respectful
so i really do hope my comments are not making u feel uncomfortable - as i said i want this forum to be a place where i can be happy about agreat episode or mad about a bad one without feeling pressure to adopt one uniform point of u cause it is impossible for all of us to always agree on every single episode
xx
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Nov 20, 2013 19:19:20 GMT -5
Can I just clarify one thing?
People keep saying that the beasties that are disappointed with the show – like me – right now are negative and that we’re refusing to see how good this new season is. There’s even people that kindly asked us to get out of the forum and stop posting replies.
I find this so offensive in so many levels.
I’m not here to pick up a fight with anyone, I just want to take some things out of my chest.
I came here to talk about the show because I don’t have anyone else to talk about it. Not a single one of my friends and family watch it with me. Being a beastie is kind of a lonely place where I am. That’s why this forum is so important to me.
I’m really mad right now with TPTB. Unlike what people might think, I don’t want to hate the show. I want to love it unconditionally, the same way I did on S1. And that’s what I find offensive in all the hatred I see here towards disappointed beasties because I’m one of them. People treat us as if we wanted to destroy the show. I can’t really talk for anyone here, but, for the posts I see here, no one wants that. It’s quite the opposite.
I (and some beasties I see here) am not and never had been mad at Vincent or Cat or Tess, etc. I love all these characters. They’re the reason I keep coming back to the show every week. I don’t think Cat is weak for fighting for Vincent, I don’t think Vincent is a pig because he can’t remember himself and because he was transformed in a cold blooded murder.
I’m mad at TPTB. Not because they changed the dynamics of the show. I thought the new rhythm is great and I really thought that Vincent’s memory loss could be a great plot. I was whole heartedly waiting for what they would give to us. I really was. In some level, I still am. I just can’t find in me to watch the next episode without knowing for sure that they won’t give us “the dark side of the force”.
I’m mad because TPTB know how hard was to beasties to overcome Alex. We lost a lot of viewers during that arc. Some of them never came back. We’re already the smallest fandom on TV right now. They know that the only thing we can’t stand to see is our beloved VinCat to be broken over something as mundane as an attractive woman calling Vincent’s attention. The same goes to Cat. They know that.
Well, I think I already said too much. I just wanted to let people know how unjust is of them to accuse us, disappointed beasties, to hate Vincent, Catherine or the show. I just wanted to make you see what I see. Sorry for the rant. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE! I love the fantasy of LOVE......that is why we watch TV, movies, and read books......because that "version" of Love and Relationships is sometimes "richer", "deeper", more "Self-sacrificing" but there is a REALITY that creeps in. That LIFE or LOVE in reality is not always so uplifting and Euphoric. When those of us who see things and put on the brakes and say "WHOA" there.........'that doesn't sit right with me'.....or 'that really shouldn't happen because of X,Y,Z'.......or i'f he/she really loved this person they would act like this or that'. It is all based on one's own experiences and trials. The "negativity" that others refer to is a HUMAN REACTION to something each one of us draws from our experiences or the way WE SEE how others should be treated or HOW WE would want to be treated in a situation. EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM HAS A RIGHT TO FEEL THE WAY THEY DO and like you said, Vincent Chandler, we come here to express ourselves because only other Beasties can understand and relate to what we feel good or bad. As we post we can all see the many different points of view......we can even change our minds after reading another point of view..........we can even CONSOLE those who are upset and hurting because what we all have in COMMON is that we CARE ABOUT THIS DARN SHOW!!! ALL OF US CARE, albeit, at different levels and degrees. If some of you are tired of the so called "Negativity"........I am tired of having people trying to shut others up from expressing themselves.........in essence, some of you saying that those who feel upset or "Negative" there must be something wrong with you and you are "TOXIC" and "POISON" to this forum. Yes, those words were used. We are a Beastie Family here.......and like all families, some members are more challenging at times than others BUT YOU STILL LOVE THEM! You don't call them TOXIC or POISON........and then try to put them in a corner until they can come back in the room and play nice!! In the real world there are ups and downs and yes, loop de loops but you deal with each and every thing and have DIFFERENT FEELINGS about each situation. You enjoy the Highs and hate the Lows.......But most of all you hang on to HOPE! We are here posting because we have HOPE..........if we don't, we leave. ...... NO ONE HERE is staying and posting because we purposely want to rain on anyone's parade and just want to make others miserable! (Contrary to what some feel) ....Some of us have even APOLOGIZED for our feelings and sharing their disappointments. But instead of being understanding, some want to just point out the "FLAWS in US" of negativity. If you all had a friend who was feeling down and "negative" would you try to help them or would you scold them and call them out on their feelings and tell them that they are being TOXIC to your friendship? I hope not,.......instead you would LISTEN, try to understand, maybe offer advice, encourage them....and basically CARE FOR THEM!! These next few episodes will be challenging, so many emotions and reactions will be expressed, let's all try to remember that WE ALL BRING SOME VALUE TO THE DISCUSSIONS.........and we may disagree or agree, but we are HERE because we want to support the show, period!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 20, 2013 19:52:54 GMT -5
Can I just clarify one thing?
People keep saying that the beasties that are disappointed with the show – like me – right now are negative and that we’re refusing to see how good this new season is. There’s even people that kindly asked us to get out of the forum and stop posting replies.
I find this so offensive in so many levels.
I’m not here to pick up a fight with anyone, I just want to take some things out of my chest.
I came here to talk about the show because I don’t have anyone else to talk about it. Not a single one of my friends and family watch it with me. Being a beastie is kind of a lonely place where I am. That’s why this forum is so important to me.
I’m really mad right now with TPTB. Unlike what people might think, I don’t want to hate the show. I want to love it unconditionally, the same way I did on S1. And that’s what I find offensive in all the hatred I see here towards disappointed beasties because I’m one of them. People treat us as if we wanted to destroy the show. I can’t really talk for anyone here, but, for the posts I see here, no one wants that. It’s quite the opposite.
I (and some beasties I see here) am not and never had been mad at Vincent or Cat or Tess, etc. I love all these characters. They’re the reason I keep coming back to the show every week. I don’t think Cat is weak for fighting for Vincent, I don’t think Vincent is a pig because he can’t remember himself and because he was transformed in a cold blooded murder.
I’m mad at TPTB. Not because they changed the dynamics of the show. I thought the new rhythm is great and I really thought that Vincent’s memory loss could be a great plot. I was whole heartedly waiting for what they would give to us. I really was. In some level, I still am. I just can’t find in me to watch the next episode without knowing for sure that they won’t give us “the dark side of the force”.
I’m mad because TPTB know how hard was to beasties to overcome Alex. We lost a lot of viewers during that arc. Some of them never came back. We’re already the smallest fandom on TV right now. They know that the only thing we can’t stand to see is our beloved VinCat to be broken over something as mundane as an attractive woman calling Vincent’s attention. The same goes to Cat. They know that.
Well, I think I already said too much. I just wanted to let people know how unjust is of them to accuse us, disappointed beasties, to hate Vincent, Catherine or the show. I just wanted to make you see what I see. Sorry for the rant. Vincent Chandler, It has NOTHING to do with criticizing the show..Been there done that and I intend to continue to express my dislikes in this forum. The 'thing' that might make you believe people don't want you to post negative stuff about the show it's how some things are WORDED..I too have said many of things BUT in a public forum we have to really "THINK' what we are going to say . In other words there are NICE ways to express what you want to say. I know of a few people that haven't even come into the forum since the episode came out on Monday cause of all the horrible things that were said about the characters which like yourself are very passionate about. We know that TPTB fudged up but as it isn't the actors fault it is neither the characters. Even though we know they aren't real we don't like to see them trashed. If you look at my post for Kidnapped, I was horrified and really ticked at what Vincent had done. I expressed myself VERY well without going to far..I think I went out and called him an ass LOL. I love to discuss and try to see other peoples opinions and I for one have always had an open mind. I refuse to bash or prevent people for saying what they feel. I don't like it done to me so why should I ask it of you? I think we all know that the writers are playing with FIRE and that if they don't play with it the right way they are going to get BURNED. Like you it hurts me to see that the direction of the show is so different from season1 and that the LOVE VinCat had is nothing like it was. But just because I'm a sucker and a romantic sack of nothing I refuse to give up on the show. I am angry yes, BUT I really want to see HOW TPTB fix this. I want to see how they BRING Vin-cat back! I said in a previous post that the last thing one loses in life is FAITH and HOPE..Do you have at least one of those? Let's all hold on to that and see if we can ride this out! This fandom and forum is the BEST thing that could have happened to BEASTIES! We are truly a family and sometimes within the family there is turmoil. We must work through it and overcome and become strong again. Will you guys attempt to try to have a little faith or hope or both? Doesn't this show deserve it? I sure the hell think it does! Just look at my sig and my avatar and you'll see what this show is TRULY about! I want it back, whether we are angry or not..WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 19:53:51 GMT -5
ng?
i really really hope i personally did not make u feel like that but if i did i am very sorry
forum is as important to me as it is to u so i understand how u feel
i have criticized the show many times in the past where i felt sth was not right - and u probably know that, and will continue to do so and i have always said this is a place for all opinions and views provided theyare respectful
so i really do hope my comments are not making u feel uncomfortable - as i said i want this forum to be a place where i can be happy about agreat episode or mad about a bad one without feeling pressure to adopt one uniform point of u cause it is impossible for all of us to always agree on every single episode
xx
You didn't make me feel uncomfortable personally, anapi. As I said, I’m not here to pick a fight or point fingers. There’s PM to that. I was referring to the fandom in general. To be frank, I don’t even pay much attention to who is posting, I just read the replies and quote what I think is interesting.
I might have expressed myself wrongly – if that’s the case, I apologize – but I feel like, if you like the show, the episodes and everything in it, you’re awesome. If you don’t, there’s something really wrong with you and you shouldn’t be here.
I feel betrayed by TPTB. I lost my trust on them during Alex arc, but I kept faith and forgot about it. That’s how I love BatB. Then, they dragged me here all this time, promising that this will be different and when I finally get here, I found out that I was fooled. And it’s my fault to be disappointed, not theirs.
And the only place I have to vent – because I’m a person that needs to vent so I can cope – doesn’t want me exactly because of that. I’m really sad about this.
But, no, sweetie, it isn't your fault.
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Nov 20, 2013 19:53:59 GMT -5
No one has the right to tell you to shut up just because you don't agree with the show. Like we have mentioned before everyone can post what they feel even if it's negative or positive post as long as you follow the rules. In case you guys didn't see this post:The purpose of a forum is discussion and community. If you loved the ep, super. Post about it. If you were "meh", post it. If you hated it, post. Go for it! That's what we're here for. There's no rule about being negative or positive - say what you want. For those of you who don't want to post here because "it's so negative", that's on you. If you want a more positive environment about these eps, make one by posting your positive review, instead of explaining why you won't post.
Make this forum environment what you want it to be. If you want to build up the show, build it up. Don't complain that others AREN'T building it up. If the show makes you wanna vomit, then enjoy! I don't say this to boss anyone around, but to say: post what you want!
...within the rules of course. What makes this type of opinionated posting work is respect. If someone comes in here loving all the eps, no one here is going to tear them down. If someone comes in here shipping Tori and Vincent, they are going to be accepted here at this GENERAL forum. What you do from there is respectfully disagree and share your point of view and that's it.
You also can share your POV without name-calling. Mad at Vincent? Super. I wanted to punch him in the face last night. Call him an ass over and over again? No. Find a more intelligent and creative way to express yourself. Tori is not a <edited>. Use better vocabulary. Say you don't trust her. Say you don't like her. I don't care how you dislike a character, but don't name-call.
But far more important that not name-calling a character (who is fake!) is making sure we don't bash BATB actors, their co-workers and loved ones. I'm not saying anyone did, I'm just saying that would be a worse offense.
So! Mods will edit offending posts, but no one is going to be edited or asked to "pipe down" just because they don't like a character or ep. Don't expect others posting to conform to your preferred posting style. YOU just have the boldness to post what YOU want to post.
Carry on! Enjoy! Respect other opinions and post away, positive, negative, and everything in between. Just like people who wants to post they don't agree with the show. People who enjoy can post that they love it. I'm supporting the show until it ends and I've been cheering people all day so they can vote because I do think we can win PCA even if the fandom gets smaller that doesn't mean I agree with the plot. It means I'm not giving up on the show because I never give up on anything especially on something that I've supported from the very beginning.
However, I do want to complain about something. I still see BATB as a product that they want us to buy but some of the writers' tweets and that one tweet from Austin are not helping the situation. Angry customers are not going to like a company telling them: "If you don't buy it, it's your loss". There are other ways to handle this. I did like his previous tweets where he tried to give reasons about VinCat and Vincent. I just think people need to be careful with what they tweet.
Anyways if you support the show and you still love it, don't stop voting. We still have time to win both categories. Have faith and believe we can do it!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 20, 2013 20:03:56 GMT -5
No one has the right to tell you to shut up just because you don't agree with the show. Like we have mentioned before everyone can post what they feel even if it's negative or positive post as long as you follow the rules. In case you guys didn't see this post:The purpose of a forum is discussion and community. If you loved the ep, super. Post about it. If you were "meh", post it. If you hated it, post. Go for it! That's what we're here for. There's no rule about being negative or positive - say what you want. For those of you who don't want to post here because "it's so negative", that's on you. If you want a more positive environment about these eps, make one by posting your positive review, instead of explaining why you won't post.
Make this forum environment what you want it to be. If you want to build up the show, build it up. Don't complain that others AREN'T building it up. If the show makes you wanna vomit, then enjoy! I don't say this to boss anyone around, but to say: post what you want!
...within the rules of course. What makes this type of opinionated posting work is respect. If someone comes in here loving all the eps, no one here is going to tear them down. If someone comes in here shipping Tori and Vincent, they are going to be accepted here at this GENERAL forum. What you do from there is respectfully disagree and share your point of view and that's it.
You also can share your POV without name-calling. Mad at Vincent? Super. I wanted to punch him in the face last night. Call him an ass over and over again? No. Find a more intelligent and creative way to express yourself. Tori is not a <edited>. Use better vocabulary. Say you don't trust her. Say you don't like her. I don't care how you dislike a character, but don't name-call.
But far more important that not name-calling a character (who is fake!) is making sure we don't bash BATB actors, their co-workers and loved ones. I'm not saying anyone did, I'm just saying that would be a worse offense.
So! Mods will edit offending posts, but no one is going to be edited or asked to "pipe down" just because they don't like a character or ep. Don't expect others posting to conform to your preferred posting style. YOU just have the boldness to post what YOU want to post.
Carry on! Enjoy! Respect other opinions and post away, positive, negative, and everything in between. Just like people who wants to post they don't agree with the show. People who enjoy can post that they love it. I'm supporting the show until it ends and I've been cheering people all day so they can vote because I do think we can win PCA even if the fandom gets smaller that doesn't mean I agree with the plot. It means I'm not giving up on the show because I never give up on anything especially on something that I've supported from the very beginning.
However, I do want to complain about something. I still see BATB as a product that they want us to buy but some of the writers' tweets and that one tweet from Austin are not helping the situation. Angry customers are not going to like a company telling them: "If you don't buy it, it's your loss". There are other ways to handle this. I did like his previous tweets where he tried to give reasons about VinCat and Vincent. I just think people need to be careful with what they tweet.
Anyways if you support the show and you still love it, don't stop voting. We still have time to win both categories. Have faith and believe we can do it! AMEN to BOTH of you!! LOL I think we all need to calm down and get a massage!!
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