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Post by Catherine Chandler on Nov 21, 2013 12:34:08 GMT -5
This is truly hilarious. Have you read the comment by NAD below the post, its hysterical. No, what comment? Who is NAD? Oh god, I'm sorry. I haven't slept in more than 24 hours. What does the comment say?
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Post by ·· K å t ·· on Nov 21, 2013 13:06:46 GMT -5
my humbles two cent about the question beast she-beast animal attraction. first I want to say that I don't consider any opinion less important then mine or wrong, everyone has right on his own opinion and this is just mine. I think that Tori in a certain unexplained way can galvanize in Vinc his animal instinct, it's clear right? so he wasn't able to resist and kissed her... they did it in a human way 'cause THEY ARE HALF human.... but he kissed her cause his animal instinct and not cause his human instinct, he couldn't help himself that's it and we can see Tori lures him to her and Vinc trying to resist but at the and gives up and leans against her lips, Jay played the Vinc's feelings torn so well like it was a kind of magnet between them but... no feelings there... just ANIMAL side prevailed and I'm sure about that because Vinc and Cat belong together, we need to have faith in that and IMO their epic love his still there in fact Vinc broken up with her sacrificeing his desire (of beeing with her) for her wellness, he loves her SO MUCH and he knows that she would be better without him and all his issues (animal instinct, missions, memory less) and her was STILL ready to justify his behavior knowing it comes from his animal side because she loves him unconditionally, even if some time enough is enough they need to know who they are separately before know who they are together remember? they will be SOON together again and it will be great, more then epic, I know
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Post by kiki09 on Nov 21, 2013 13:41:02 GMT -5
^ THIS every day of the week. Agreed.
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Post by chilly20 on Nov 21, 2013 13:59:45 GMT -5
This is truly hilarious. Have you read the comment by NAD below the post, its hysterical. No, what comment? Who is NAD? Oh god, I'm sorry. I haven't slept in more than 24 hours. What does the comment say? You have to open the showcase blog and read the comments below it. NAD is one of the people that has posted a comment on the blog. I have quoted it below for you. Nad • 16 hours ago Thats it..we are soooo done..Cat go to the house boat get your hair brush and tampax we moving out..We are joining team Christine. Vincent, Cat and I are so over you..Please do not come by fire escape, roof or door..Manimal, you now have womanimal, be happy. We ARE done. The kissing have redheads is .....hmmmm...redhead....Catherine Chandler get your brush and tampax we moving back in that houseboat but before you do get red highlights..that might work!..Love this episode..i hope the writers give us a solid base for Catherine to get back with Vincent without making her look needy ruinng the strong character we started out with.... Loving Me some JT!!!!!!!!
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Nov 21, 2013 14:15:06 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread, it may be my most coherent rant, and my last few thoughts before I give 2x07 a rest, so I'm sharing here too… Bookworm, you are right, of course, and that is why, despite my better judgement, I am hanging in there to see what transpires… but I have a really bad feeling about the Tori character. I feel like Amber Skye has said some things, to defend her character, about how Tori has a legitimate story to tell, etc, and that shows defense on her part… which makes me nervous. Of course Tori doesn't have a story to tell us. She is a plot device, IMO, plain and simple.
The sad thing is that the Tori character could be interesting, I mean, just the idea of an original, a first of her kind, the transformation into a beast… all of that stuff, it could be really good. And the fact that Vincent gets vicious in her presence, also could account for some of his actions around other beasts… But they have already spoiled that for us, dumbing her down into a vehicle of VinCat destruction. The writers did that all on their own by making her someone or something that Vincent is attracted to and uncontrolled around. Except that he knows he should stay away from her, and doesn't. There in lies the crux of the problem. If Vincent doesn't stay away from her, he is complicit in whatever transpires. He opened the door to her, and invited her in, when he said "Come here," and like any human male would, took her in his arms and proceeded to comfort her. What is animalistic about any of it? None of it.
Which leads me to my final issue. What about anything that happened between Tori and Vincent during the kiss/hug heard around the BATB world was the least bit animalistic or primal, or any other thing attributable to their beast sides? IF they want us to buy this animal-instinct-she-beast-attraction business, why didn't they both change completely when they touched each other? Why did they choose to engage in an act that is most distinctly intimate and human, like hugging, holding hands, and kissing? Do animals do such things? Uh, yeah, not like that they don't. It's more like growling and circling each other, and then one more or less forcing the other into a position of submission… If they want us to buy the beast on she-beast attraction business, they are going to have to stop acting like human lovers. I mean, in the end it IS about the imagination and creativity of the writers, and their ability to sell us on the story that we find compelling. Vincent and Tori, and animal attraction? I don't buy it. What happened there looked very human to me. ETA: But, as they say, hope dies last. I'm trying to hold onto what little I have left. BINGO!! Well said........I think you just got to the heart of the issue. So what is before us, is how this "Primal, Beast" side of Vincent and Tori reacts again. They are fully aware of the consequences and if anything happens it really is a "choice", IMO. Both will be responsible........ they are not out of control "completely" as the writers would let us to believe. I had a thought.........in "real" life, sometimes "some" men will use the excuse of having uncontrolled "urges" when they cheat on a GF or wife......I have heard some say that "they can't help it".......their hormones are too strong,.......it's what "Men Do"..........How many times has this been hinted at on TV or by Male friends? I know I have heard guys say it and seen it on displayed on TV. So........are we to believe that Vincent certainly CAN NOT help himself around a She-Beast? Is that more acceptable than when a HUMAN Man tries to say he can't control himself because that is what "MEN DO" or they have too much Testosterone? I think the main theme should be we as Humans have a conscience, a moral compass...........Vincent's Human side has a moral compass.......he still has this Human side. I hope the writers don't "conveniently" choose to ignore this side of Vincent to cause undo pain and heartache.
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Post by feezya on Nov 21, 2013 15:41:50 GMT -5
i was waiting for this. i always love their recap. btw i posted this gif at the JT&T shipper thread. but i guess no one's stepping there anytime soon
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Post by ·· K å t ·· on Nov 21, 2013 17:26:20 GMT -5
.are we to believe that Vincent certainly CAN NOT help himself around a She-Beast? Is that more acceptable than when a HUMAN Man tries to say he can't control himself because that is what "MEN DO" or they have too much Testosterone? I think the main theme should be we as Humans have a conscience, a moral compass...........Vincent's Human side has a moral compass.......he still has this Human side. I hope the writers don't "conveniently" choose to ignore this side of Vincent to cause undo pain and heartache. IMO Vinc couldn't help himself just not beacuse she is a she-beast but... 'cause his animal side that Tori galvanize in him; I mean, usually Vinc 2.0 has ALWAYS been in control, since we meet him on this season ok? he became out of control because of Tori, she do something to him, it's clear and when it happen the animal side of him prevail on his human side that's it for me, just my thoughts I believe that writers have something in mind and for sure they would not ignore the human side of Vinc and... I hope that in a short while we'll find out what Tori can do with other beasts, how she works, how she can have that effect on Vinc
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Post by yfaruqi on Nov 21, 2013 21:50:22 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread, it may be my most coherent rant, and my last few thoughts before I give 2x07 a rest, so I'm sharing here too… Bookworm, you are right, of course, and that is why, despite my better judgement, I am hanging in there to see what transpires… but I have a really bad feeling about the Tori character. I feel like Amber Skye has said some things, to defend her character, about how Tori has a legitimate story to tell, etc, and that shows defense on her part… which makes me nervous. Of course Tori doesn't have a story to tell us. She is a plot device, IMO, plain and simple.
The sad thing is that the Tori character could be interesting, I mean, just the idea of an original, a first of her kind, the transformation into a beast… all of that stuff, it could be really good. And the fact that Vincent gets vicious in her presence, also could account for some of his actions around other beasts… But they have already spoiled that for us, dumbing her down into a vehicle of VinCat destruction. The writers did that all on their own by making her someone or something that Vincent is attracted to and uncontrolled around. Except that he knows he should stay away from her, and doesn't. There in lies the crux of the problem. If Vincent doesn't stay away from her, he is complicit in whatever transpires. He opened the door to her, and invited her in, when he said "Come here," and like any human male would, took her in his arms and proceeded to comfort her. What is animalistic about any of it? None of it.
Which leads me to my final issue. What about anything that happened between Tori and Vincent during the kiss/hug heard around the BATB world was the least bit animalistic or primal, or any other thing attributable to their beast sides? IF they want us to buy this animal-instinct-she-beast-attraction business, why didn't they both change completely when they touched each other? Why did they choose to engage in an act that is most distinctly intimate and human, like hugging, holding hands, and kissing? Do animals do such things? Uh, yeah, not like that they don't. It's more like growling and circling each other, and then one more or less forcing the other into a position of submission… If they want us to buy the beast on she-beast attraction business, they are going to have to stop acting like human lovers. I mean, in the end it IS about the imagination and creativity of the writers, and their ability to sell us on the story that we find compelling. Vincent and Tori, and animal attraction? I don't buy it. What happened there looked very human to me. ETA: But, as they say, hope dies last. I'm trying to hold onto what little I have left. BINGO!! Well said........I think you just got to the heart of the issue. So what is before us, is how this "Primal, Beast" side of Vincent and Tori reacts again. They are fully aware of the consequences and if anything happens it really is a "choice", IMO. Both will be responsible........ they are not out of control "completely" as the writers would let us to believe. I had a thought.........in "real" life, sometimes "some" men will use the excuse of having uncontrolled "urges" when they cheat on a GF or wife......I have heard some say that "they can't help it".......their hormones are too strong,.......it's what "Men Do"..........How many times has this been hinted at on TV or by Male friends? I know I have heard guys say it and seen it on displayed on TV. So........are we to believe that Vincent certainly CAN NOT help himself around a She-Beast? Is that more acceptable than when a HUMAN Man tries to say he can't control himself because that is what "MEN DO" or they have too much Testosterone? I think the main theme should be we as Humans have a conscience, a moral compass...........Vincent's Human side has a moral compass.......he still has this Human side. I hope the writers don't "conveniently" choose to ignore this side of Vincent to cause undo pain and heartache. You are all correct in my opinion even though it seems we are talking more about animal planet than BATB. I think the fundamental issue here is that the writer's vision of what a beast is has changed significantly from season 1 to 2. In the first season Vincent was a man first and foremost and the beast was something inside of him which asserted itself from time to time. Other than the blackouts Vincent or the man in him was in control of his actions and his actions (other than the Alex arc) were always noble and good mostly around protecting Cat or other victims. That's part of what made me love the show. Vincent 2.0 is a far cry from that and it's getting harder to root for him...I can only hope Vincent 2.0 is just a clone (which would explain the scar) and the real Vincent is locked away somewhere waiting to be with Cat...at least we can imagine...
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Nov 22, 2013 0:53:55 GMT -5
I too hope that the writer's don't ignor Vincents human side and that is why they have Cat say to him that he has to fight whatever is eating him up inside which of course we know is the fact that he is struggling with the beast side and having his memorys wiped of anything personal and showing him that Cat accepted every part of him like she told him in the hospital bed, and although he feels the pull or some connection to Cat he is behaving more beastly than human, he just like Cat did has to learn again to accept both his sides beast and human and be in control again which is what I would love to see they did it so well in season 1 that they need to do it again and maybe even better this time around. So I get why they brought Tori in becuase that is the conflict that he did'nt have in season 1 he thought he was the only beast and has they used to have in the promo he saved Cat and she saved him, now it's his turn he has to save himself becuase Cat has tried and tried and I get that she doesn'nt want to give up but as the saying goes you can't help someone if they don't want to help themselves first and while Tori is around that won't apply to Vincent becuase he know's that she does something to him and so if he chooses to go down that path knowing he could lose his human side forever then that would be his choice and that would be sad for me but wven though he walked away from Cat becuase of bio dad something is going to hopefully make him realize what a mistake that was and just how much Cat does match him in all ways and that she loves him uinconditionally it's just that sometimes you get to the point in life where you think I can't do this anymore it feels like i'm drowing and it's all one sided, which at the moment it is so I'm just hopeing that seeings the writer's had Cat say that to him about fighting his demons and fighting for them that they show us that Vincent really does want Cata and accepts all of what he is and learns to balance it. I still don't like Tori and think that they could have just had Vincent as someone helping her understand what she is going through how to deal with it without the need for the lip locking and everything else that could happen or even just keeping them close together and implying what could happen was just not needed, but then I do think and i'm not agreeing with the writer's at all what other options were maybe mentioned in the writer's room about how Vincent would have to make the choice hopefully once and for all becuase this can't have been the only option or at least I hope it wasn't for me like many this was the easy route and life isn't always easy.
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Post by yfaruqi on Nov 22, 2013 8:17:44 GMT -5
I still don't like Tori and think that they could have just had Vincent as someone helping her understand what she is going through how to deal with it without the need for the lip locking and everything else that could happen That's actually what I thought would happen when I first heard about Tori's character, it may still happen so we will have to wait and see. It's ironic that if you read some of the reviews of season 1 critics were complaining about the fact that Vincent's character was so lovable on all levels that where is the beast in this show..I guess they got their wish and we have a beast here (even if it's more of the human pig nature).
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Post by sunshine978 on Nov 22, 2013 23:58:49 GMT -5
I think she helps the writers and also was a hardcore beastie before joining the writers. And how can a hardcore beastie think that ToriCent is awesome? That only confirms Beastly sex next episode to me. And people are upset with me because I'm giving up on the show. You should be upset with TPTB for ruining it. No one should be mad at anyone for not wanting to watch CRAP! I have given up on BatB too - I will NOT be watching it again. It is the writers and producers' fault....they better blame them!! Just making some last comments and then I am DONE! To be honest, I feel relieved. I have invested soooooo much in this show and now I can get back to the other things I used to do. I have over 3,000 emails in my inbox because I have been focussing on this show so much! And don't feel bad you're giving up on the show.The writers have shown fans nothing but disrespect. And they lied to us too. Sherri Cooper and the woman playing Tori PROMISED that this wouldn't be another Alex arc! They both LIED!!! IT IS WORSE THAT THE ALEC ARC. I just don't understand ....they knew how we felt about Alex arc and the number of viewers they lost and they're doing it again!!! I don't understand why...makes no sense! It only makes sense if they are intentionally sabotaging the show to get it cancelled.
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Post by Vincent Keller on Nov 23, 2013 1:51:39 GMT -5
The writers certainly know how to create a buzz - at least among Beasties. There hasn't been an episode thread NEAR this long since "Any Means Possible" last year! I mean, love it or hate it, they have us on the edge of our seats and all in a tizzy!
This ep was actually one of the most entertaining and well-executed eps this season, for me. What happened for me, though, was that it went TOO FAR. I loved the tension and everything going on with Reynolds, Catherine and Vincent and the supporting characters. But the kiss and even the hug came out of nowhere and served no purpose whatsoever. They could have done some really cool stuff with Vincent being drawn to a she-beast without like literally repeating the Alex kiss scene.
And the break-up was super lame IMO. I want to feel that longing and tension! I want to see it in their eyes and feel their bodies' pull towards one another as they are forced apart!
So yeah, the ep was actually really good for me, but then logic went out the window and the whole momentum of it sort of dropped off a cliff for me. However, it was definitely enough to have us talking about it non-stop!
I feel like Catherine needs to do some soul-searching. She's losing herself in all this, IMO.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 23, 2013 2:47:55 GMT -5
The writers certainly know how to create a buzz - at least among Beasties. There hasn't been an episode thread NEAR this long since "Any Means Possible" last year! I mean, love it or hate it, they have us on the edge of our seats and all in a tizzy! This ep was actually one of the most entertaining and well-executed eps this season, for me. What happened for me, though, was that it went TOO FAR. I loved the tension and everything going on with Reynolds, Catherine and Vincent and the supporting characters. But the kiss and even the hug came out of nowhere and served no purpose whatsoever. They could have done some really cool stuff with Vincent being drawn to a she-beast without like literally repeating the Alex kiss scene. And the break-up was super lame IMO. I want to feel that longing and tension! I want to see it in their eyes and feel their bodies' pull towards one another as they are forced apart! So yeah, the ep was actually really good for me, but then logic went out the window and the whole momentum of it sort of dropped off a cliff for me. However, it was definitely enough to have us talking about it non-stop! I feel like Catherine needs to do some soul-searching. She's losing herself in all this, IMO. You honestly didn't see that kiss coming? There was never a spoiler to that and I knew for some reason they would go there. Like you I don't see why they did. I mean was it a moment of desperation for Tori to try to 'seduce' Vincent to help her? Or was it her uncontrollable 'animal' which she now knows is part of her? Or was it 'let's just mess with BEASTIES heads'? I saw no point in it there either. But I also agree with you that aside from Hothead, I thought this episode was the best of the bunch. Until the kiss from hell LOL(joking)
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Nov 23, 2013 3:31:39 GMT -5
The writers certainly know how to create a buzz - at least among Beasties. There hasn't been an episode thread NEAR this long since "Any Means Possible" last year! I mean, love it or hate it, they have us on the edge of our seats and all in a tizzy! This ep was actually one of the most entertaining and well-executed eps this season, for me. What happened for me, though, was that it went TOO FAR. I loved the tension and everything going on with Reynolds, Catherine and Vincent and the supporting characters. But the kiss and even the hug came out of nowhere and served no purpose whatsoever. They could have done some really cool stuff with Vincent being drawn to a she-beast without like literally repeating the Alex kiss scene. And the break-up was super lame IMO. I want to feel that longing and tension! I want to see it in their eyes and feel their bodies' pull towards one another as they are forced apart! So yeah, the ep was actually really good for me, but then logic went out the window and the whole momentum of it sort of dropped off a cliff for me. However, it was definitely enough to have us talking about it non-stop! I feel like Catherine needs to do some soul-searching. She's losing herself in all this, IMO. You honestly didn't see that kiss coming? There was never a spoiler to that and I knew for some reason they would go there. Like you I don't see why they did. I mean was it a moment of desperation for Tori to try to 'seduce' Vincent to help her? Or was it her uncontrollable 'animal' which she now knows is part of her? Or was it 'let's just mess with BEASTIES heads'? I saw no point in it there either. But I also agree with you that aside from Hothead, I thought this episode was the best of the bunch. Until the kiss from hell LOL(joking) Katie is talking like outside an fan from the BATB world. She never read a spoiler or anything related to that. She doesn't have time anymore. The only thing she saw before the episode was the preview so that's why she's talking like that right now. The next episode is going to be ruined for her just like it has already been ruined for me because we're cleaning this thread and people kept posting spoilers on here.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 23, 2013 3:34:45 GMT -5
You honestly didn't see that kiss coming? There was never a spoiler to that and I knew for some reason they would go there. Like you I don't see why they did. I mean was it a moment of desperation for Tori to try to 'seduce' Vincent to help her? Or was it her uncontrollable 'animal' which she now knows is part of her? Or was it 'let's just mess with BEASTIES heads'? I saw no point in it there either. But I also agree with you that aside from Hothead, I thought this episode was the best of the bunch. Until the kiss from hell LOL(joking) Katie is talking like outside an fan from the BATB world. She never read a spoiler or anything related to that. She doesn't have time anymore. The only thing she saw before the episode was the preview so that's why she's talking like that right now. The next episode is going to be ruined for her just like it has already been ruined for me because we're cleaning this thread and people kept posting spoilers on here. No I never said she read spoilers I meant while watching the episode..Didn't she have a clue when Tori showed up in the woods?? LOL Why would she be there if it wasn't to cause trouble, no?
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