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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 20, 2015 8:47:49 GMT -5
With this episode, we are literally at the half-way point of the season. I get that there are many fans that wanted to know more by this point. However, I'm good with knowing that there are potentially multiple big bads, depending on how you look at it. Because if one organization is willing to go to the extremes to kill indiscriminately without remorse on the supposition that they are better than the other alternative, you still have 2 big bads for the rest of the world. Or at least a great deal of "unknown." Which leaves a lot of great potential, particularly as VinCat is likely to get caught in the crossfire. Which always makes for GREAT episodes of BATB (and usually produces quality VinCat moments of peril and romance as well).
Like others, however, I really want the ultimate reveal to payoff and be reflective of the build-up it took to get there. Because that IS a major frustration for some this season at being this far into the season with so little knowledge and seemingly so much conflict and cost to VinCat and crew on just the IDEA of what could be coming. I still have FAITH because BATB is so much more to me than just the major baddies. I LOVE to watch VinCat at their best and worst, so long as they always come back together and realize that there is no where else they would rather be. And I even enjoy the other characters as well.
Tess has always been a mixed bag for me. I loved the Season 1 dynamic at the precinct between the various individuals there, and I really hate that we lost that with Evan's death and Joe's bitterness and leaving. Tess got involved first with Joe and then with JT, and yet she could never separate the men from what they do (or understand either's connection to family, since her family has obviously NOT been that close). We have seen Tess as basically little more than comic humor at times and we have seen her bitterness and how it affects her relationship with others and how she interferes with people's lives as a result. Tess just seems, at times, to be all over the board. (Although, I can usually see the writers' rationale for why Tess goes back and forth, given her history and what she has seen Cat go through as well.)
I will just have to see how all this plays out. STILL, it is rare to actually have lesser players on a show interest me. "Fringe" and "Chuck" (and "Smallville" as well) are about the only other shows that I saw really have the characters outside of the main couple that interest me. So I actually love BATB for more than just VinCat, although VinCat IS the real core and fiber of the show. And whenever Jay and Kristin DO have one of those great VinCat moments, the rest just fades away. So I still live for the "moments" on the show, even if they get fewer and farther in between. You get the episode like 301 or 306, and it is ALL WORTH IT to me, and I expect the wedding we get will eventually far exceed even MY expectations!
Still loving the whole BATB Season 3, BUT I can see how it can be hard for others after a high like episode 306 to come back to the mundane bridge-building type of episode that is needed to provide crumbs of knowledge regarding the season big-bad. HOWEVER, it does seem like this episode shows both tensions and potential weaknesses within the core group as well as show that all may not really be right with particular characters.
Sounds like Cat is really suffering from PTSD at this point, given all that has happened and what seems to have been triggered for her. Cat's Fight or Flight response seems to be constantly reacting this season, which is again a symptom of PTSD. THAT seems to be more her issue than anything related to co-dependency. And I have always LOVED JT's loyalty and the fact that he truly IS Vincent's family. And FAMILY comes first. Just not to Tess, whose little comments (note the one about family drama at Thanksgiving that she threw out last eppy) show that she is NOT used to a family being that close or doing so much for one another. Tess seemed to balk last season when Gabe tried to make her turncoat, so Tess has never been a part of something like this.
SIGH. I just need to wait and see the episode. Mind running wild with theories, once again, about something I HAVE YET TO SEE! Really stinks to be this side of the border this season! And I'm ALREADY about to tear my hair out (and I have rather long hair) over what could happen to ruin VinCat's wedding next episode, especially with the Tess/JT thing being on the outs at the point of VinCat's big day. Still giddy with anticipation, as I ALWAYS am, for another BATB episode!
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Post by Chymere on Jul 20, 2015 9:22:14 GMT -5
LOL! I'd just write a message and I made a false manipulation and I lost everything I wrote! I have not vied to start again! I liked the episode just found the plot move not enough fast knowing we have only 13 episodes and as I already said promo was delusive again. I expected more drama and a bit more love at least the last Vincat's scene longer! I would have preferred not to seen it in the promo because there was nothing more. I loved them! I always love VinCat ever but come on! No interrupted scene here but have you seen more shorter yet? It should be the opposite. Sweet moment too short! I loved Vincent's romantism and how he explained why a real lovely marriage mattered to him. Loved the eloping scene, when they were approching the guy, It was so funny. I think this is the part of the episode I enjoy the more! I liked all the eloping scenes particulary when vincent said "touching" (definitely not the way he wants marry her in the rush). I love his romantic side with this conception of "corny" magical wedding LoL! it was Funny too when the receptionist said "is he a foreigner?" Action scene was a bit off for me in this ep. and Cat's loosing it, a bit weird. Even if yes she had been afraid of loosing V... I guess we are not done with their exceptional raw émotions. What was weird for you corinne? It wasn't for me! Cat was affraid to lost Vincent . He was within a hair of losing his life because of Julianna. I understand Cat's anger against her! Adrenaline has done the rest! Oh and I was so surprised when the Guy entered the hospital and found them, I actually jumped from my seat (or bed actually)!! Scary LOL! Me too! It was so violent and unexpected! Poor V!
Last thing I enjoy the JTnT break up too. I am not for or against them, it's not my priority, just like how Tess expressed her feeling about to be in the back seat (selfish or not) compared to JT and V's Bond! I just hope this serve to make more place for VinCat's scene if you see what I mean but I am afraid their break up does not last long.
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Post by NotOnTv on Jul 20, 2015 11:03:36 GMT -5
Well, I have been to happy with the season so far so I guess it was bound to happen.
This was by far the worst episode of the season for me. It did not leave me with a single emotion. None. I felt completely emotionally disattached with just about every single character and their actions.
First of all, I did have my hopes up that after Cat's huge outburst in the last episode the writers are gonna let the girl catch a break. But apparently not. I could really use som Catherine where she isn't amidst a tirade consisting of 150 words per nanosecond or where her face does relax a little bit. I understand. It's action. The characters are in danger. But my problem with this episode was that that was all there was to it. I am sure the episode looked fantastic on paper. Heck, it even looked great onscreen. It just did not feel great to me at all.
It's like I was absorbing it all but not feeling a single thing. It just completely did not meet my expectations. Catherine could have lost Vincent. I saw it. After Kristin's amazing performance I know she can make you feel all those things by a single look. Not this time. At least not for me. Them talking about it in the final made it even worse because I expected things to really culminate and damn, both actors can be so expressive so why did I feel like something was missing?
Also, was I supposed to be sad about the JT and Tess break-up? I don't know. Tell me.
And showing the single kiss in the entire episode in its entirety in the promo is just what did me in.
*ducks away from flying tomato<edited>. Stepping off my soap box now.
I am glad other people enjoyed the episode. I really am.
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Post by cacosa on Jul 20, 2015 11:28:36 GMT -5
Another oddball here VinCat❤Destined, I liked the episode too. Some things I need to comment although someone has already said: the way the superhuman assassin comes in the hospital break room where Catherine and Vincent are ... Geez, I didn't see he coming, I jumped, literally. I understand Vincent's idea, so romantic, about the wedding, and I am grateful that, finally, Catherine has reached the same conclusion. How far away are the Niagara Falls from New York? I think they forgot that VinCat live in NY and not in Toronto. When Juliana is going to kill Vincent .... ... again Jay gives me goosebumps and tears in my eyes ... It would have been nice if Vincent had stopped Catherine when she beast out with Juliana. Anyway, even though I understand her anger, I think she was slightly too far. Now that Tess and JT have broken, I think I see why Catherine will have problems in their work. I also understand Tess, but ... I cannot be sad because I don't see them together.
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Post by susy on Jul 20, 2015 11:33:52 GMT -5
I liked this episode,even when from what we had got in advance I was expecting a more dramatic one. For me S3 is quite consistent, each episode goes a step further into relationships and also into season mistery. Sometimes as in this episode I feel that they don't focus enough in one problema trying to cover too much and this means that they don't go deep enough, losing some good opportunities for drama or leaving some points not clear enough, but the cast is so wonderful that I still enjoy every second of it.
Cat had come back to be pushing while trying to solve the superhuman issue and I loved how even when at the beginning Vincent seems to accept it finally he can say no this time and stop her from losing their big happy day. These scenes are funny and I love Vincent being a romantic and thinking about how their wedding will be one of the most important things to keep in their hearts forever. I'm glad tey both are on the same page now.
I felt bad about JT and Tess. It is clear that Tess is so concerned about failing as captain that she is trying to avoid all this new threat even when she should understand that it is going to be in her way as captainno matter how hard she tries to avoid it, instead of looking for ways to help from her position she only thinks how this can impact her position in a bad way. I think that at the end she will understand. On the other hand JT is not seeing what is happening with Tess, last week he risked his own life to save Vincent so he can't understand that risking just a captain position is so important for Tess, again I think they will find the right balance at any point during this season.
About the bad guys I don't know if it was that my English was not enough (I speak Spanish) or that the episode doesn't explain it well, but I get some holes that I need to fill, a woman with Cosmetic Company doesn't seem to be the right person to be a big bad guy, during Heather's interview she seemed not to link her with Cat at all so it is difficult for me to believe that from all companies Heather could have choosen just the one belonging to the bad woman and that from all posible candidates this woman decided to interview Heather and then she have just realized Heather-Cat connection by listening a cellphone conversation. Please if I'm wrong and any of you have understood it in a different wy let me know, I would like to find it more realistic!
As usual I can't wait for next episode even when I have begun to be aware/concerned that each episode put us closer to the end of the season.
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Post by DayaBEASTS4 on Jul 20, 2015 12:40:21 GMT -5
The episode was intense for me. I really liked!!! I jumped from my seat when that door hit vincent. Was surprising I loved how Vincent didn't want to elope. He wanted their marriage to mean something. The elope scene were funny to me. I love JT in this episode how defended his gummy worm from that cop And when he tried to escape . Besides being the hero Poor heather that was abrupt shove Again the baddies.. that superbeast just wow!! He didn't die with all those shots. I have to digest Tess complaining about her work.. she need to care abou it... not to screw up.. she don't care anymore who is using people to experiment? I need to see the episode again.. ''together against the world''
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Jul 20, 2015 13:25:14 GMT -5
I have to say for me I did'nt love it but did'nt hate it either loved how you could clearly see how Vincent was worried about not doing the wedding right especially when he looked at the couple coming out of the church his face was just because for me of all the time he has thought he wasn't worthy of Cat's love and support to know that he wants to do it right and show just how much he does love her in front of their family and friends was just so sweet and as Cat said to him ' your so romantic' so I kinda felt for him the way that Cat just seemed to be rail roading him into the elopment in order to catch the bad guy that just did'nt sit well with me. As far as JT and Tess go I wasn't to bothered about the break up either way I love Austin as JT and Nina as Tess especially this season so much more than last season which for over half of it she was not the Tess I loved in season 1 by any means but for me I love seeing them bicker and banter with one another the big romance between them for me is just ehhhh. I get Tess's point to a degree with Vincent but he is Vincent's best friend long before he was her boyfriend and he and Vincent have a strong bond again and I'm not saying that he shouldn't put Tess first but it work's both ways, for me if they put them back together then they do if they don't then they don't. Wasn't over keen on how badly Cat beat up the woman I get that she thought she was going to lose Vincent but for me it was to much of a severe reaction for Cat very over the top. Thought the very end scene to lacked something I get that they were talking but they could have had them put the wine glasses down and moved closer to one another even hug like in the church but no once again we have them pecking like birds not like a couple who not to long before could have been seperated for ever I just did'nt see much emotion from either of them :-[and after having the opening epiosde of the season 3 and the look's they gave each other were so intense I just keep wopndering when we're going to get that back again if ever and the neck kissing was very hot but again we saw it at the begining of the season but not since just back to the pecks like their a old married couple not a still young couple who from episode 1 of this season clearly still have the hot's for one another but I'm just not seeing it or feeling it at all. I know and have accepted that we're not going to get the passion of season 1 again becuase they've moved forward in their relactionship and are establishing a future together but come on writer's doesn't mean they can't spice up their love life.
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Post by rose on Jul 20, 2015 15:56:29 GMT -5
I liked this episode more than I thought I would after reading the spoilers this morning. It was exciting and I liked the action.
While I get where Tess was coming from by being annoyed that the people she was trying to protect where not appreciating her efforts I agree with the observation that she is only looking at how this will affect her position in a negative way which seems like that's what she has always been about since season 1. She seems to be a half empty glass kind of a person. I was under the impression that as police it is their job to protect the public from threats and to arrest people who commit crime which is what everyone was trying to do. Sometimes from the way Tess behaves anyone can be forgiven for thinking that Vincat created those threats because sometimes it looks like she blames them for being who they are or seems to imply that they have a choice in what is going on around them which I don't think they have or can they just snap their fingers and everything would just go away. As Vincent said last week JT and Cat are his family so I do get why JT risks his life for them and I am sure that they would also risk their lives for JT if it came to that because they are family. Tess comes across in my opinion as wanting to control what people do although I am not completely dismissing her point of view.
I was however expecting a romantic episode since I heard that they were shooting at Niagra falls and I agree that Vincat are starting to act like an old married couple and I would be happy to see them act more like an engaged couple looking forward to being married.
As far as how Heather got to go to the interview of the organisation that was after Vincat, the way I understood it was that after getting the identity of Vincat last week Julianna and company did some digging and could have easily found that Heather was looking for a job and used it to lure her to their premises and the interview and the pretence of the interviewer to be annoyed with Heather was only part of the ruse and it worked in that Heather sent away her security detail and was left vulnerable.
Overall it was a decent episode and I am enjoying season 3 and BATB continues to be one of the shows that I look forward to watching every week.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 20, 2015 16:45:52 GMT -5
no big review from me today thought the episode was ok but tired of watching episodes that give me no feels - after an episode i loved last week, this was back to s3 normality - oh well a couple of things i liked/loved: - i loved the scene when they were captured and i absolutely loved vincent's 'I love you' at that time. gave me chills - i liked the whole niagara marriage scene - thought the receptionist was hilarious and the whole scene was well done - loved vincent and jay did a great job
the things i did not like (sorry longer list) - no real feels vincat wise - the vast majority of writers there cannot write vincat -death by repetition - was bored with the action/baddie etc - that storyline did not excite me at all (another non scary baddie...) - enough with all the wedding talk ... really we are going round in circles and circles and circles repeating same lines and talking about stuff that dont really matter again and again... - the jt/t storyline/relationship is at this point more mature (also script wise) than the vincat one...and with this break up we just gave them more opportunity to create more drama for them to come back together ... which they will... no doubt in my mind about that -cat was a pain in the butt yet again... good to know she learnt her lessons and what matters most in episode 6...enough already - too many i love u's from cat which i did not really care about...or fully believe
that's it from me - on to episode 8 in a week...
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Post by ·· K å t ·· on Jul 20, 2015 16:57:02 GMT -5
Ok it's not definitely one of the best ep of S3 for me.... and I start to feel myself a bit bored by some repetitive dialogues... (ok easy pls with those tomatos LOL ) I mean... it seems to me like if the writers don't know what else write sometimes and that we are going round the same VinCat lines in almost every ep... even in this ep Cat kept saying "I love you" to Vinc... and that's ok, but... keeping to say it, it doesn't change the problem or someone else mind... plus we already got how she want to be married with him but still... the writers kept to put the line into Cat's mouth... I need something new between them... I got that they love each other and want to be married but... we can't just going round this for what? 7 ep?!!! yes ok I know that they have to face the threat of who want to create these super-humans and save their lives but... much repetitive dialogues always around the same issue or subject IMO Anyway I hate how Cat acts sometimes... I didn't like her forcing Vinc to get married in that way just to lure out the bad guy... she really acted without any sign of romance, without EVEN consider Vinc's feelings... NOT so loving from here... Instead I loved how Vinc has refused to married her in that way... it's not how he ever wanted to be their marriage... he really know how to be romantic and loving. 1 point for Mr.V. lol I also loved the team efforts, if it wasn't for Jt and... well... Heather... Vinc and Cat wouldn't probably make it this time so... team hurray! What I don't get... it's the "beast side" of Cat... she "beasted out" like she did when she had almost killed Gabe at his home in S2... in both situations she thought to lose Vincent... it's like her protective side comes out and takes over her in a very aggressive way? I don't get it Last thing... last scene... ok when I saw the fire on the chimney... I thought... ok here we are FINALLY, after the fear of losing each other they are finally celebrating their love in a crazy sexy steamy love scene and... yes... here we are on the couch! Ok the dialogue was probably necessary... even if could have been even better with them in a bed and under the blanket after some wild sex ... but ok... and... after the words... here we are finally? but NO! just a couple of little pecks....
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Post by ·· K å t ·· on Jul 20, 2015 17:14:57 GMT -5
no big review from me today thought the episode was ok but tired of watching episodes that give me no feels - after an episode i loved last week, this was back to s3 normality - oh well a couple of things i liked/loved: - i loved the scene when they were captured and i absolutely loved vincent's 'I love you' at that time. gave me chills - i liked the whole niagara marriage scene - thought the receptionist was hilarious and the whole scene was well done - loved vincent and jay did a great job the things i did not like (sorry longer list) - no real feels vincat wise - the vast majority of writers there cannot write vincat -death by repetition - was bored with the action/baddie etc - that storyline did not excite me at all (another non scary baddie...) - enough with all the wedding talk ... really we are going round in circles and circles and circles repeating same lines and talking about stuff that dont really matter again and again...- the jt/t storyline/relationship is at this point more mature (also script wise) than the vincat one...and with this break up we just gave them more opportunity to create more drama for them to come back together ... which they will... no doubt in my mind about that -cat was a pain in the butt yet again... good to know she learnt her lessons and what matters most in episode 6...enough already - too many i love u's from cat which i did not really care about...or fully believethat's it from me - on to episode 8 in a week... I wrote my review without reading yours... I'm doing now and... I see that I'm not the only one bored by the repetitions... that's not a good thing for the show unfortunately....
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Post by jemangela on Jul 20, 2015 17:28:43 GMT -5
I absolutely loved this episode , from beginning to end and I'm going to watch it a gazillion times. ..prepping for round 4 , I've got all week...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 19:22:26 GMT -5
I usually don't comment on these episodes, I guess because I find myself in the minority so often, but I am happy to know there are some who really did like this one. I may sound like a broken record ... I know I've said it before ... but I love this show. I have, from episode 1 season 1, and I have found something that I liked or loved about every episode since. I am enjoying season 3 and this episode in particular. I think we are learning so much more about each character as the show progresses. We now know that Vincent is truly a romantic. Haven't really figured Catherine out yet, but that will come soon I'm sure.
Of course, I would love to see that VinCat :banana:scene everyone is waiting for, but I'm sure that will come as well. You know what they say, "All good things come in due time". And as for the last scene, I think it was perfect. I see so much love ... Am I crazy?? Two adults moving forward ... at least trying to!!
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Post by lovebatb on Jul 20, 2015 19:34:34 GMT -5
I was not emotionally envolved in the episode and I had some problems with the way Cat is been writen... I have serious doubts if Brad K. understands the soul of the show. I feel like we are going around in circles. The proposal scene was perfection. Episode 3x1 was promissing. 3x06 was great! But I'm getting worried again with season 3. We have only 6 episodes left. Oh my God, how I miss a passionate kiss ans scene between Vincat.
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Post by ArwenFan on Jul 20, 2015 21:15:46 GMT -5
jefferen - I agree that Catherine exhibited a degree of rage that was pretty disturbing. The expression on Vincent's face (along with JT & Heather) was pretty much "who is this woman?" Hopefully, this is Cat's extreme reaction to someone threatening her beloved and not an ongoing symptom of someone who has anger management issues of her own. I don't like this side of Catherine because her habit of trying to control everything along with keeping everything bottled up is a pretty deadly mix. That said, I can certainly get on board with beating the ever lovin' snot out of the person who was thisclose to killing Dr. Keller. Tess & JT breakup - Meh. Never felt them as a couple and don't care if they make it or not. I do want JT to find a love of his own, Tess is not the one. I thought NL played that scene wonderfully and I get where Tess is coming from, I do. But I've always found her attitude towards Vincent (and by extension Vincat) troubling. Tess has always looked at the beast affliction as some kind of trivial inconvenience that burdened her to death. She never seemed to understand that (1) Vincent was an innocent, or that (2) Vincent's beast DNA is a permanent part of his makeup and (3) that Vincent's life will always be a source of danger and sacrifice and those that choose to tie themselves to him will endure the same. Being Vincent's friend or lover is not for the faint-hearted. Life with Vincent is at times terribly hard, but the pay off is oh, so worth it. Tess never got that. Maybe she thought Cat was kidding when she told her that if she was going to be a part of this she had to be all in. Tess never wanted to be a part of Vincat's world. Not really. She has complained and grumbled about Vincent and his impact on Catherine's life since the moment she realized there was a Vincent. But back on point--Vincent and JT are family. They were best of buds before the army and the bond and relationship between them only grew stronger and more solid after 10 years in hiding. I truly believe that Tess resents Vincent; how many times has she said she's tired of "this beast crap" or "I have real crimes to solve" in the face of anything out of the ordinary involving Vincat, as if Vincent's situation wasn't real? Now that I think of it, I've recognized this attitude from Tess since the beginning (a huge factor as to why I couldn't stand her for 2 seasons), but this latest dust up with JT has made it crystal clear. Yes, Tess's career and ambition are important, but if that's going to be the beginning and end all of her life, she is never going to be a part of something bigger, something that includes family, trusted friends and true love. At this point, I think it would be best if Tess and Cat kind of went their separate ways. Ditto for Tess and JT. I was disappointed that Catherine seemed to shrug off the lessons of last week to continue on her beast crusade again this week. Again I felt that getting married and the actual ceremony were WAY less important to Cat than they are to Vincent. It's really weird. I'm tired of trying to figure out Cat's mood swings or make excuses for her off the wall behavior. I'm only half kidding when I say I'm getting to the point where I wish Vincent would dump her, if only to snap her out of this mania. Julianna was one cold-hearted woman, but I still didn't get her role in this. Does anyone now doubt that Heather should never have been told about Vincent? True, she's not hard-core like the rest of the team, but Catherine should already know that. If keeping the truth from Heather keeps someone from almost killing Vincent, I've got no complaints with that. cacosa - Niagara Falls is a good haul from NYC, 6-1/2 hours depending on driving speed. NF are shared by Toronto Canada and Upstate New York (my country) and Lake Ontario separates them as well. If I were still in Rochester, I'd be camping out in Toronto during Beast filming. NotOnTv - I agree that Catherine should have shown a lot more emotion when Juliana was poised to inject Vincent with her poison. KK could have devastated us in that scene, why she did not is a mystery. How can you not become an emotional mess when the man you love is saying what was almost certain to be his last good-bye? susy - Vincent's refusal to let Catherine ruin their wedding day is a fine example of what I mean when I say that he will bend a lot and give her a lot of space to do it her way, but when he's had enough, he will put his foot down and check Catherine. And finally, I'm wondering if the writers aren't trying to make some subtle point with Cat's character and the way she's lost control to the point of almost beating people to death twice now. (Granted, Gabe was no loss, but I digress). I've always thought Cat was just a little smug whenever she was harping on Vincent about his beast, and how he could lose control and his humanity. It always bugged me that she and everyone else, but especially her, failed to see the beastliness in people with plain old human DNA, and just because non-beasts don't sprout fangs and claws doesn't mean we aren't capable of brutality, blind rage and an overwhelming lack of humanity. Makes you wonder if she's really a New York City cop.
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