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Post by ArwenFan on Jul 19, 2015 22:34:08 GMT -5
Random Thoughts...
First 10 minutes repetitive dialogue. People who want jobs turn off cell phones. The most harmless and cute gets knocked out again. Loved the wide shot of Niagara Falls. Vincent might have better luck with tin cans and string. Wine and kisses without interruption. Tess walks. Cat flips out.
Wow.
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Post by ArwenFan on Jul 19, 2015 22:40:19 GMT -5
ArwenFan:
You're KILLING me here! What do you mean by "Is he a foreigner?" GIVE ME DETAILS, please, so that I may laugh like your smiley-faces! It was the delivery of the question. Vincent was acting up at the marriage center and the woman at the counter got the wrong impression. What a hoot.
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Post by ArwenFan on Jul 19, 2015 22:53:32 GMT -5
alwayscrazedbatbfan"So "both sides now" then must refer to the fact that there are actually TWO ultimate big bads trying to compete to perfect the serum? So is this the corporation that WANTS to capture Vincent or kill him, thinking he works for the other corporation?" I think "both sides now" refers to Vincent/Cat and Tess/JT. Both couples were on opposite sides of an issue. With Vincat it was the way they got married. Vincent wants a real wedding with Cat in a gown and him in a tux reciting their vows before family and friends. Cat has been skittish about the wedding since the beginning. She wants a simple wedding without a lot of fuss. Even though she never actually said so, it was pretty clear that she would have been good with eloping. Tess is feeling the pressure of her job and trying to be on Team Vincat. She wants her concerns acknowledged and her well-being put first. JT saw the danger and urgency of Vincat's situation as a priority and was totally preoccupied with solving the puzzle. Tess feels that she can't compete nor should she have to compete with the Vincent/JT bond. I get the feeling that she resents the mythological epic-ness of Vincat and it's pull on JT. The episode ends with Catherine finally understanding why Vincent feels the way he does, and wanting the type of wedding he's been pushing for as well. And yes, Vincent is a romantic. Tess wants JT to put her first and she breaks up with him because she doesn't think he can do that.
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Post by tonysol on Jul 19, 2015 22:55:55 GMT -5
The immediate reference I get from "Both Sides Now"is the Judy Collins song www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Xm30heHmsLike I said earlier, I think the episode is about relationships and understanding the other person's point of view. Looking at things from both sides now, Cat understands Vincent's hesitancy about really eloping and they end up on common ground again. Cat: "Ï wanna marry you, Vincent Keller, and treasure those memories forever. While JT is blindsided by Tess, who rightly accuses him of running off to save Vincent and not showing that he cares a bit about how Tess feels. I'm sure he loves her, but he just isn't taking the time and effort to listen to her and empathise. So JT has seen Tess' side now and it hasn't ended so well for him....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 23:00:31 GMT -5
I can't say a love the episode like the last one (it was not so emotional) but is fast paced and for me is not an "in between" episode, we make another step in the story. I loved how Vincent expressed his concern about an elop: it wasn't right, he want something to remember that fix forever his love for Cat, and I loved that finally he was able to pull Cat apart and not get married this way and not only follow all she was saying (he was quite like a puppy in her hand). And there is another "stone" in the story: now we have VinCat team and JT&Heather coz Tess has left the team (I think just for a while). I don't think the first part was repetitive: if you listen carefully Cat is not speacking about the problem of beasting out like in firts few episode, or the fact that that superhuman could take Vincent in a dark place or that they had to fight them for the world sake: now she tall about find and destroy superhuman assassins for save the most precious thing they had in their life, that is their love and their marriage that for me in a previous point for Cat was only a rappresentation of their life together (she speak of it like a contract in the beginning of the episode till right before the end), but in the end she finally understand that they deserve something good to remember for their relationship (that could be a proper marriage)
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 19, 2015 23:21:40 GMT -5
Thanks ArwenFan, Tonysol, and Luna76 for those great replies!! Gives me a lot to ponder as I finally see the episode on Thursday. Especially with the Tess thing.
I am probably in the minority of viewers feeling this way, but I was actually irritated with Tess for her lack of support to both Cat and JT at points in this season once she got the Captain's position. I get that it is a tough job AND that Beast-related issues have cost EVERYBODY ELSE from Joe forward. So she needs to be able to just do her job. But at the same time, these beast-related issues ARE life and death for those nearest and dearest to her that have defended her at times when needed. AND Cat was right in both episodes where I felt Tess basically ignored her arguments and ended up being wrong, which nearly cost Cat and others their lives.
That was one of the things that I wasn't crazy about from Season 2--that feeling of being irritated or full-out angry at various characters over the course of the season for certain behavioral traits. I feel some of that in Season 3 as well. I get that there will be no one way that would make us like the characters all the time. And, everybody is human. But just when I was liking Tess and feeling that she was so much better than early season 2-Tess, we have her seemingly give up on a relationship that has been so important to her previously. And is Tess also on the outs with Cat, at this point? I guess I will just have to wait to view this episode for myself and see whether I feel more for Tess or JT (or both). I mean, JT felt unsupported by Tess earlier in this season, and he seemed to try to understand her needs when expressed. ACK! I will end up thinking about this CONSTANTLY before Thursday, and I'm not really even overly fond of Tess and JT---I worried that their relationship (or lack thereof) could cause problems for VinCat if anything went wrong.
But thanks again for the comments. Although I hoped for far more VinCat then it sounds like I will get in this episode, it is ALWAYS nice to see how the pressure and big-bad-on-the-horizon effects the whole Team. And I'm still loving the overall journey of Season 3!
AND DEFINITELY looking forward to the wedding, whenever it finally occurs. (Jay and KK could BOTH wear cardboard boxes to the VinCat marriage and be married by Voldemort, yet they would STILL look amazing AND manage to make it romantic, even if dodging wand-shots, so NO WORRIES there when it FINALLY does take place!)
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Post by corinne on Jul 19, 2015 23:48:48 GMT -5
LOL alwayscrazedbatbfan your impatience every week is so funny! I liked This ep. It was not as deep as prévious one but many things happened. Indeed JT's priority is to Save V and Tess Can't accept that... Indeed Little sister Heather was back in the picture. Her shouting behind the glass reminded me of her shouting from S1, she's a funny Little thing I loved Vincent's romantism and how he explained why a real lovely marriage mattered to him. Loved the eloping scene, when they were approching the guy, It was so funny. Like ArwenFan, I found the 10 first minutes a bit boring, but then It was good. Oh and I was so surprised when the Guy entered the hospital and found them, I actually jumped from my seat (or bed actually)!! Scary Action scène was a bit off for me in this ep. and Cat's loosing it, a bit weird. Even if yes she had been afraid of loosing V... I guess we are not done with their exceptional raw émotions. Nice but too short fireplace ending Vincat scene. But as jefferen said, I take Vincat whenever I Can. Love them still and always. Just a few seconds of eyes connection and I'm happy
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Post by swimgrl on Jul 20, 2015 0:10:13 GMT -5
Random Thoughts... First 10 minutes repetitive dialogue. People who want jobs turn off cell phones. The most harmless and cute gets knocked out again. Loved the wide shot of Niagara Falls. Vincent might have better luck with tin cans and string. Wine and kisses without interruption. Tess walks. Cat flips out. Wow. Have been lurking for a while, but I had to join this forum just so I could comment on this thread! Well said Arwenfan. I was really hoping the Cat who we ended with next week would continue into this week. Sad that she didn't Also, overkill on the repetition already! Loved some aspects of this episode, but the first half or so was really frustrating. I am an adoring BATB fan, but I was hoping for more this week.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jul 20, 2015 0:52:51 GMT -5
Again the oddball here..
I loved this episode
1. I admit the beginning was a repeat of a few things but then again it set up what happens later.
Vincent clearly is a romantic and truly knows what he wants when it comes to how he wants to marry Catherine.
Catherine just wants to get over it and would do it by eloping.
Only when she almost loses Vincent does she understand and decides she wants to marry him the right way. It reminded me of Date Night when on her own words she said she wanted the picket fence and all. Same happens here.
We also learned that these people making the super humans were making them to stop someone worse. How worse can it be?
Heather I knew would screw it up lol...she got knocked out a bit and she sang like bird.
JT and Tess am I the only one that is happy they are over? I never liked them as a couple. They are better as friends.
The end scene so sweet....reaffirming that they now including Catherine are ready to take the next step. I want to make memories with you lol..I'm a sap
This isn't like last week's episode but it moves the story forward.
Now,again they are making a big deal of the big bad...This baddie better be a great adversary
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Post by corinne on Jul 20, 2015 1:19:48 GMT -5
Yolie, I'm pretty sure JT and T will be back to be a couple before end of season, what do you think? But yes, I was happy that they broke up, and technically that she left him....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 1:43:29 GMT -5
At this point Tess could be more a problem for VinCat than a solution so she's better go out, breath some air and think well what she want for her life and what really metters to her. like corinne said they probably return together before the end of S3 (in a romantic way? I don't know, I don't feel JT&T as lovers but probably I'm judging them for how they look like and not for their character). Cat exploded last week for her mom, and now exploded for Vincent... for me she has too much anger inside and she need to release it befor turning into "a normal girl". At the beginning Cat is treating the marriage thing like a mission: plan this, think about an alternative plan, be ready to head the danger and everything would be fine, you'll be able to complete your mission. But marriage isn't a mission and you must follow your heart and not your head. I have reflected about the lack of VinCat scene, even at the end of the episode they were "interrupted" by the black screen (for the viewer at least, maybe they went on doing what they had begun)... Cat is not ready to spend her lovly moment with Vincent, so probably they don't play videogames every night, but their "making love" is not what we expect as an epic, full of sweet moment (ok we can take either a moment of sex like in S2e2... but they are on a next level so it couldn't be possible). Vincent is the one who is ready to share love, but Cat is one step before and she can't abandon herself complitely in Vincen'ts arm. Just my Opinion, I have to rationalize that thing)
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Post by donya on Jul 20, 2015 3:27:46 GMT -5
I liked this episode... It was fast paced and the moment it was over I was like 'what? already?' I think the reason that some beasties might be disappointed is that, we got this Baddie, but it seemed to easy. And we still didn't get any answers as to why... so we beasties feel kind of like Cat when she thinks she's missing on something... I loved Tess' speach to JT in the end of the ep and thought it was overdue. Don't get me wrong I love that JT is committed to VinCat but as Tess told him in Season 2 already he shouldn't be putting his life on hold. And in the last few episodes it kind if felt like he's putting Tess on hold. So it was the right decision to take for Tess. And Nina delivered that moment in such an honest way, that I actually was really sad, that it turned out that way, eventhough I never felt myself routing for this relationship... About the VinCat moment by the end of the episode. I loved that they could enjoy such a cute moment together, still I wished, they (cw) wouldn't have shown that moment in the promo... I don't know if I am making any sense but its like knowing before hand what you'll be getting for your birthday... it takes all the fun, the anticipation of it... I am pretty sure I would've enjoyed that last scene way more, if I didn't know that it was coming ... Am I making sense? That being said, I totally adored that Moment even if it was short. But it summed it all up... it was perfect ? The rest of my post is just speculation... My head is been running wild since 'chasing ghosts'... So is it just me that can't help thinking that the big bad (I mean the one we didn't see yet) is someone we already know??? I mean, think about it. What other reason for the show to keep telling us about a big bad but not showing him/her? The audience as such won't be feeling the threat if we are not one step ahead (as we used to be in previous seasons) unless... we already know the big bad, but were not expecting it/him/her... Since last episode and VinCats visit to Daddy Reynolds (which I thought was so cool) I felt something wasn't right about him telling Vincent that he could track whoever is behind it... I felt like Reynolds was sending Vincent on missions again... And then I remembered something... in the end of season 2 when DHS got Vincent out of jail and Cat thought that her father had something to do with it, Bob said something very interesting. He said that Muirfield wasn't the end of it, that they were hired by governments. That Vincent's escape from prison was been monitored in all news. So I can't help but think that Daddy Reynolds knows more than he is letting on... I don't know, may be its just my Imagination running wild...
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Post by Ilaria on Jul 20, 2015 3:57:19 GMT -5
Cat went down heavy with Juliana, Vincent in comparison looks like a puppy!
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Post by jefferen on Jul 20, 2015 5:59:55 GMT -5
alwayscrazedbatbfan"So "both sides now" then must refer to the fact that there are actually TWO ultimate big bads trying to compete to perfect the serum? So is this the corporation that WANTS to capture Vincent or kill him, thinking he works for the other corporation?" I think "both sides now" refers to Vincent/Cat and Tess/JT. Both couples were on opposite sides of an issue. With Vincat it was the way they got married. Vincent wants a real wedding with Cat in a gown and him in a tux reciting their vows before family and friends. Cat has been skittish about the wedding since the beginning. She wants a simple wedding without a lot of fuss. Even though she never actually said so, it was pretty clear that she would have been good with eloping. Tess is feeling the pressure of her job and trying to be on Team Vincat. She wants her concerns acknowledged and her well-being put first. JT saw the danger and urgency of Vincat's situation as a priority and was totally preoccupied with solving the puzzle. Tess feels that she can't compete nor should she have to compete with the Vincent/JT bond. I get the feeling that she resents the mythological epic-ness of Vincat and it's pull on JT. The episode ends with Catherine finally understanding why Vincent feels the way he does, and wanting the type of wedding he's been pushing for as well. And yes, Vincent is a romantic. Tess wants JT to put her first and she breaks up with him because she doesn't think he can do that. [ I agree with what you said about Tess. I think she regrets knowing the whole situation with Vincent & being apart of this mythological story. Tess is very self absorbed & sometimes I think she rather stick her head in the sand & hope it all goes away then actually deal with it.
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Post by jefferen on Jul 20, 2015 6:05:35 GMT -5
The other thing that I think could've made this episode better is if Catherine, showed a little more emotion other than anger when Julianna was trying to inject Vincent. I wanted to feel her pain over the thought of her losing V, her desperation, but all we got mostly is anger which is unstandable, but not enough imo.
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