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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 22:26:27 GMT -5
It's a great idea to end season 2 as if it were the end. They have given all of us a choice. That's the good thing to come out of a wacky season. Either I continue to watch or not.. I for one am on the VinCat wagon. In other words I'm in for whatever floats their boats.... tickle their fancy Catherine centric...King Vincent centric... whatever centric. End game is BEAUTY AND THE BEAST no matter how it's written. Bring on season 3! I'm ready! Great to have you back VinCat❤Destined missed you:)
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 22:23:35 GMT -5
at this point i dont see anyone from vincent family show up in season 3 .after all manhunts this season if there were someone they might have popped up.but no one so far. so its better to make a storyline that everyone in his family is dead (aaron too). when it comes to season 3 i can still see cat working as a nypd cop(still think cat as a nypd cop limits storyline telling) and vin will be witout a job still living in the couch of cat untill her sister comes up and boot him out.lol. and when it comes to secret organisation i think they r gonna make more soldiers with vin blood.(considering vincat might had not take the job and they r forced to go for other options) cuz we all know till now vin is the beast who is sane so. but still wondering how the beast ceature first created in ancient times. considering this is a romance show i think we might not get answer to that. Well they addressed the whole family issue in the interview. Here's the excerpt TVF: That's great! There were some inconsistencies this season, and one of the things everybody wonders is what happened with Vincent's family when he announced that he was alive? Will that ever be addressed?
BK: I mean, that's something we talked about a lot this season and it's admittedly a dropped thread from our point of view. It's challenging to figure out who his family is and where they are to incorporate them into the show. We tried to bring in a nephew, which we did in Beauty and the Beast Season 2 Episode 4 I think, but we didn't really feel like that relationship was worth carrying forward, although we kept looking for Vincent's family.
It's a dropped thread and it was a challenge that we did not meet in this season and we are still trying to figure out how to do that going forward. It gets harder every season because of the simple question; where were they all this time? So, it's been a challenge. This series is very challenging with a lot of balls to juggle and that's one element we weren't successful incorporating.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 21:45:53 GMT -5
And Vincent is awkward in all of his conversations with Tori in 212. As mentioned above, he can't deny that he wants back with Catherine and that he feels his head is foggy and not right with Tori. And Vincent IMMEDIATELY needs to go and discuss the situation with Catherine, which is not awkward. Vincent can naturally relate his troubles and be understood by Catherine, which leads him to ask her if they are, indeed, just friends. This question by Vincent seems to mean, at least by him, that he actually would want to be more again to Catherine, but she interprets it as "better than enemies." Cat's seeming to be better without him, something that is a re-emergence of Vincent's insecurities from Season 1, keeps Vincent from pressing the issue with Cat then and later leads Cat to "move on" because she thinks Vincent has done so (don't get me started on this. I didn't like Cat with Gabe any better than anyone else, and I won't deal with it here again. This was simply desperation to have something normal without pain and to end the trauma, etc. for Cat so that she could think that she had moved on. Sigh.). I mean, Vincent's beast senses can't wake him up after Catherine sneaks out in 216, even after she drops her boot on the floor. And Vincent's look and description of sex from 215 to JT in 216 show that he clearly enjoyed what had happened the evening before with Cat and that it "meant something" to him. And once Vincent knows that Cat clearly still has unresolved feelings for him as a result of said sex, Vincent becomes determined that nothing and no one will keep him and Cat apart moving forward. And Vincent and Cat CLEARLY spent a whole DAY in suburbia making up for lost time since Vincent and Cat don't even unload the car of their possessions until the morning AFTER they have arrived. And Vincent comes down the steps and into the kitchen all bubbly both nights after having been with Cat in suburbia, and again, Vincent slept through Catherine getting up BOTH nights to 1) read crime reports and look for what going on in NY after night 1 and 2) go question the cops and neighbors after the murder for night 2. And Vincent and Cat clearly were enjoying a last romp in the NY hostel in 221 before heading back to Cat's place, where they apparently enjoyed a Second Round in Cat's bed, as Vincent is only in briefs and a robe the next morning while cooking Cat breakfast. And Vincent is clearly SO HAPPY in their domestic activities, as we see him wanting to make breakfast for Cat both in suburbia and in her apartment. I mean, JT comments on the fact that NEITHER Vincent or Catherine answered their phones to learn that Gabe had become a Beast again because the two were clearly doing other things with their whole night and early morning. And from 216 forward, Vincent has repeatedly commented on being meant to be with Catherine and on their having a future together. And I will say it here: it is SO CUTE that Vincent CANNOT stay mad at Cat either in suburbia or in 222 for her having locked him up or been obsessed with the journal and unable to relax. Vincent is just so darn happy to be living with Catherine that he seems as much in love with her obsessive compulsiveness to look for things to worry about, although Cat is usually right in being worried, as being irritated with her for failing to enjoy the moment. And when Cat finally surrenders to just enjoying the moment with Vincent and SAYING that this is what she wants to do for the foreseeable future, the two just kiss to their heart's content at the end of 222. Catherine will undoubtedly be worried for what comes next by the time we see her in Season 3, but Vincent is all about contentment with exactly what he has. Tomorrow's problems can come for Vincent, but he does not have a worry or care about it as he has EXACTLY what he wants. So much for the "primal pull" of Beast sex and having something with Tori that he did not have with Catherine--it was only empty awkwardness and deep sorrow and regret. I absolutely love everything. This is why I love the forum. The highlighted part, I never even thought of that but now I see it. Especially the part where you say Cat thinks he moved on which again is brought up in the Valentines episode as Cat tells him he doesn't have to be all pro Gabe just to prove hes moved on. SO its clear Cat only gave Gabe a chance cause she thought he had moved on.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 21:24:21 GMT -5
Loved and agree with everything you said!!! I agree with you but except one thing Tori's scene. I think vincent totally attractive to tori (sexually). So vincent easilly gave up (ep.7) relationship with cat that time, that place (montak?). It reminds me break up tori'scene from ep.12 (ummm sour) Some people said break up with cat scene from ep.7 that he did it intentionally[on purpose]. ummmm I don't think so. Vincent just don't need cat anymore because tori wanting him there. Only person who like him as beast. And after bomb scene i think that he was a grey zone. he has a two options. Cat suggested don't cross the line and tori suggested cross the line and then vicent choose tori. I can't separate vincent's choose beast and choose tori. They are the one set. That's why vincent sex with tori. That's why vincent live together with tori. If vincent choose cat then that fact is just vincent choose humanity? Vincent choose humanity and cat just like a trophy? like tori? I don't think so. I think tori effected to vincent beast something and last horrible choose thing is vincent's pure choice. Because vincent attracted to tori...like other earth man attracted other earth woman. That's brad kern whoever said before in some article.( vinent & tori's beast connection that (of course) never had with cat.) unfortunately that beast something connection doesn't work well...like vincent&cat's human something connection broken by tori. Whatever yeah~ vincent back to catherine anyway. Yeah~ happy. Jay ryan's s2 vincent is hot, hot,hot (but still I don't understand. why jay ryan erased whlole s1 vincent. I know he is very sweet now but still feel's like...jay ryan's the other role the other drama not s1. at least cat is cat of course sometimes crazy catherine or sleep with gabe.. ...yeah pathetic I know but still looks like cat) And patrick...I always like him.. still thought better than gabe as cat's new love. If they good handle this arc and characters like tori(I like her. confess even I like her song. It's a really good song and really pretty) gabe (I like his private life as gabe...like club scene ep.2. club door man knows gabe. I like that line) patrick (I looooooooove him. he's like a bear? slow but pure man? I don't know. but I know he's a cat's type) and Tess...tess, tess our lovely tess. I think if they used tess& cat& new boss as triangle then it woude be huge funny scene. (I mean not not sexually...; Yeah~ S2 has a good moment. I like that but...still bitter sweet some reason. Please s3...I hope we'll have ex·cel·lent moment whole season and good characters & story. Usually I'm so sorry for my bad English. I'm done s2. yeah~ no more opinion. I'm looking for s3 with open heart. So I dont agree with the whole sexual attraction part, one Vincent didn't choose Tori over Cat. The kissing scene also if you remember Tori's eyes were changing. Vincent later told Tori that she affects everything how he feels, how he thinks... everything... So in a way the connection he felt with Tori was clouded by wtv affect she had on him. I don't know if that's how it was suppose to be portrayed or whether they have no chemistry or it was just JR's acting but I don't see the sexual attraction you do. Obviously there had to have been some sort of physical attraction but he was only with Tori once Cat shot him cause she was just there. Once he didn't feel betrayed by Cat anymore(when she turned the lights off in Held Hostage), he didn't care much about Tori after that.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 19:12:31 GMT -5
alwayscrazedbatbfanBK did also say that the mythology will be continued into season 3. We don't really know what supernatural thing will be introduced only thing we know is if science can create beasts then there's a lot worse things out there. Who knows what that is? All we know from CW's synopsis for season 3 is that they will uncover a deeper conspiracy and that Vincent will have to run to the beats within and that can endanger his life and Vincat's love. So they will obviously have issues about the risks he's willing to take. All in all Vincent was always a character who does the right thing but the question is at what cost? And well normal couple issues could be anything from where they are going to live? what do they want for the future? do they want kids? who's going to do the dishes? lol all we know for sure is they have no tension on breaking them up so we will probably get some fight scenes, maybe one sleeps on the couch LOL Should be interesting and I am also pretty sure we will get good romance next season as BK knows that's what we want and this year is the year to please us loyal fans. Yep,sounds like another Vincent beast centric season. When Kern said the audience wanted more Vincent and Cat,he only meant Vincent with the reason Cat appear on-screen is just to tell Vincent story. Glad to see the unequality never change on this show. lol he said it was gonna be very Vincat-centric and about their love. "Now that they're back together again and now that the loyal audience remains the main audience, going forward our focus, absolutely, is to make the show more Cat/Vincent love-centric. To challenge their love in different ways, but not by splitting them up or tearing them apart."
TVF: I know the theme this year was "Who Am I" and you've mentioned the theme for Season 3 will be "Who Are We." Is that still the idea?
BK: Yeah. I mean, again, the focus of that question is meant to tell the audience that the focus is on Cat and Vincent in Season 3 as they explore what it's like to be a normal couple that has this greater destiny. They've gone through hell and back, Cat and Vincent, but they haven't really dealt with a lot of normal issues yet and that'll be the fun with some of the challenges that we look forward to them working through and dealing with as they deal with the next level of the mythology, which will be in Season 3.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 18:16:38 GMT -5
One quick word on the comments that Gabe hurting Cat was out of character as he had always stated that he wanted to protect her from Vincent. This may be controversial but I think this was not his main objective. I think he kept saying this to justify his actions but I think he just wanted to kill Vincent because Cat chose Vincent over him and he dosen't like losing. He obsessed over her (like a stalker) but how can he have loved her. He attacked Cat in the last episode when she rejected him at his apartment and once she called him a <edited>*d and told him it was all over in this episode, he knocked her down and then went for her with a broken bottle. He didn't go for Vincent at this point, he went for Cat. This could have been because he loved her and was so hurt by her rejection, but I'm not buying it. Does anyone really believe Gabe was capable of loving anyone to this degree. Vincent loved Cat enough to back off and let her have a chance at happiness with someone else, even though it caused him pain to let her go. Gabe had nothing else to lose and the mantra 'I'm protecting Catherine' was just to justify his actions to himself and convince himself he wasn't that bad a person. Becoming a beast again was his worst fear at one point but by the time he injected himself, I think he knew he had already got there on his own. Alison I'm not defending him, you are right on the part that he was excusing himself on the protecting part just to get rid of Vincent but he also wanted to get Cat back.. see I wouldn't call it love either but he still wanted her, he indeed wanted a chance with Cat, a chance he didn't deserve and that Cat didn't want it on the first place and he thought that taking Vincent out of the picture would give him that chance. During the fight he actually asked Vincent if he thought that C would take him back. So for someone that still wonders if Cat can be with him hitting her was out of chacarter to me even if he was hurt. All in all Gabe would end up either in jail or dead but since it was a season finale that was written like a series finale the happy ending was killing Gabe and given the fact that Cat was the one against the idea of killing him it was her he needed to crossed the line with, he did and he died. He deserve it but just like Sayuri_happy_4_s3 says it was a little to rush from episode to episode, in my humble opinion, and the fact that he "dated" her in full honestly the last episode and tried to killer in the next one is the part that I found out of character. My husband also said Gabe should have been a villain for longer and he died too easily. I don't find the Gabe slapping Cat out of character and that's because one he lost all his humanity to give a crap, when he asked V if Cat would take him back once hes dead.. he was just trying to rattle V. And when he got trapped by Cat with the collar well he knew Cat would do anything to protect V and when she told him you're going down he slapped her. I think that's how he expressed his betrayal of being dumped for V and used to get over V. I am glad Cat killed him and not Vincent. I am overjoyed in fact. DING DONG THE WICKED BEAST IS GONE lol
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 18:12:11 GMT -5
A lot of folks are both happy and sad to see Gabe/Sendil (respectively) go. But I'm super bummed out about Agent Knox. I really liked that guy! I'm right there with you. That was the biggest shocker of the night for me. Very sad that hes gone.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 18:06:10 GMT -5
alwayscrazedbatbfanBK did also say that the mythology will be continued into season 3. We don't really know what supernatural thing will be introduced only thing we know is if science can create beasts then there's a lot worse things out there. Who knows what that is? All we know from CW's synopsis for season 3 is that they will uncover a deeper conspiracy and that Vincent will have to run to the beats within and that can endanger his life and Vincat's love. So they will obviously have issues about the risks he's willing to take. All in all Vincent was always a character who does the right thing but the question is at what cost? And well normal couple issues could be anything from where they are going to live? what do they want for the future? do they want kids? who's going to do the dishes? lol all we know for sure is they have no tension on breaking them up so we will probably get some fight scenes, maybe one sleeps on the couch LOL Should be interesting and I am also pretty sure we will get good romance next season as BK knows that's what we want and this year is the year to please us loyal fans.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 17:50:12 GMT -5
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID!!!!
I'm so glad someone finally sees it the same way I do. I've been saying this for months.
The Tori/Vincent having this "primal pull" that supposedly only Beasts can have is, in my opinion and as others have said before me, a real slap at the VinCat relationship as it implies that Catherine could never have the sexual satisfaction appeal to Vincent that another she-beast could have.
I hate that fact too, I don't know why they had to say it. Vincat are destined we know that but implying that Tori/Vincent have a connection that Cat will never have with Vincent was a slap in the face to all loyal fans. I on the other hand don't think it was about sexual; I think it was more about the fact that Cat isn't a beast thus she doesn't know the feelings V feels, the daily struggles and then well the 2 of them being beasts. I think it was more of that. Also a lot of people say they cut the Tori arc because of the fans but I read that interview with BK where he said that by the time the audience saw episode 1, episode 8 had already been filmed and edited so their voices didn't help with the storylines so it should be more or less then same for these later episodes.
Vincent and Cat couldn't agree on plans to determine Vincent's handler and over "justice" for Vincent/Tori, etc. and were just overall not getting along
As for this, Vincent had let Cat go ahead with her plans but Tori manipulated into not denying who he really is. I don't think its That Vincent and Cat didn't necessarily agree just that beastly primal wtv u call it, it clouded his judgment.
Frankly, what I think the writers initially hoped to convey was that VinCat were clearly having relationship issues/disconnect that was happening due to Vincent's seeming enjoyment of his kills.
I don't necessarily think they we're having relationship issues until Tori entered the picture. That is when everything started to go downhill. Yes Cat had issues with Vincent killing those other beasts but all in all Vincent wanted to make it up to Cat in Reunion and then in another one when he wanted to go away with her.
We CLEARLY saw in "Ancestors" just how much it bothered Vincent that Catherine had kissed a guy.
THANK YOU for saying this. I said the same exact thing but a lot of people don't see it this way.
The two were virtually isolated at this point and felt like it was them against the world.
I wouldn't exactly say it was them against the world, more like Tori; Vincent had JT and still then Cat still cared for Vincent she wouldn't of let anything happen to him. The one thing I have to say is Tori pulled the guilt card so many times how she has nobody which finally came to a blow in "recipe for disaster" Vincent just felt bad for the poor girl.
Thus, the old Vincent guilt at what his relationship with Cat had cost her was easily able to be played upon by Reynolds at the time, WHO THREATENED TO EXPOSE CAT if Vincent continued in a relationship with her. Add in Tori's "beastly influence" power thingy, whatever that was
In that convo right after Cat saw Vincent kiss Tori, At first he was defending himself and when she said her father is looking out for her that is when the red lights went on in his head and told her to walk away. You know what annoys me in that kiss scene, 1 that Vincent kissed her back and 2 that he grabbed her hand. That was just too much a little.
He didn't even think to tell Tori about Beast things that he learned when he was LIVING with her, preferring to share everything with Cat.
Loved that you said this; Cat knew more about what Vincent was finding out then Tori was that's when I realize that Vincent saw her more as an obligation then anything else.
So the Tori issues have never been discussed. And I would think that Vincent would NOT want to discuss the whole Tori thing since he has said that he "doesn't want to know about Gabe's firsthand anything!" Meaning that whatever happened during their time apart is not something that Vincent ever wants to think about again.). Bringing in another She-Beast and having Cat either react badly or behave distantly from Vincent, or really have any time of concerns at all, would force VinCat to discuss previous issues.
I think at some point they will have to address the Tori thing because yes he did cheat on her and went all beast turning his back on their love. I said this earlier but I see one of their obstacles next yr being about her not fully trusting or having some issues with what happened in the past. We the audience and Cat need closure on that forefront. I don't see us seeing another she-beast for the sole purpose it would open up old wounds and there is not suppose to be any third party involvement anymore.
I, for one, would go Code Yellow over a reappearance of Tori.
I'm with you on that one. I wasn't here when the Tori arc was on tv and im sure it was very difficult to watch those 3 episodes. I wouldn't have wanted to be her then.
And the Writers could then clear up for Catherine (AND FOR FANS) the fact that Tori never was loved by Vincent and that the "primal pull" beast sex was actually empty because not based on a REAL CONNECTION like the kind that VinCat have. Plus, as we saw, Tori never helped pull Vincent out of his selfish Beast phase. Only Catherine could bring him back to loving human after what had happened in "Held Hostage" when Vincent realized that he COULD trust Cat.
This is the only reason I would potentially accept a she-beast so that Vincent can clear up his whole relationship to Cat. Cause clearly Vincent knows A LOT about her relationship with Gabe, especially when she confided in him about hiding from that relationship and having doubts and all.
And the other point Ive been making his that Held Hostage was a big turning point to the Vincat relationship; Cat turning off the lights for V opened his eyes that Cat was never out to hurt him or to get revenge on him or anything; no matter what would happen between them she would always be there to protect him and he realized it that night. And Cat realized right then and there that the old Vincent was still under there(yes she thought he heard her) but then when he admitted that he never heard her that fact was solidified.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 13:06:55 GMT -5
You guys might find it weird, but I also liked the part in the fight scene where Gabe goes after Cat because you see how protective V is of Cat. Normally u don't see it that much because as Cat puts it she's no damsel in distress; so I enjoyed his worry
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 13:05:00 GMT -5
i loved this episode... the best part for me was that scene when she freed vincent from the cage and tried to apologize ... and he was like "mhmh"... that IMO was why I fell in love with this show that part i am so in love with could rewatch non stop im with you both. I absolutely loovveee loovvee that scene. From the voices, to his looks but I have to say I loved when she ran in and V was all like how would u like it if I locked u in a cage.. that cracked me up... Also loved that he said she was right to stop him. I will be recapping in a bit all my thoughts
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 13:02:54 GMT -5
Does this mean a full season 3? I can't read, my eyes are foggind up on meeeee!!! #Gaaaah! right now its 13 episodes.. it could change though. On a good note, CW didn't say that this would be the final season neither to the viewers and to the writers. BK said that they could see it going for 5 seasons. They are writing in a way to build on being renewed and to please us loyal fans. You know what would be funny? This yr their goal was to bring in more viewers, next yr it will be to please the loyal fans. But imagine if next yr we do end up getting more viewers? now that would be funny.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 12:33:28 GMT -5
I personally didn't have That much issues with Tori but having a pregnant Tori would send me reeling. One I would not with Vincent or Catherine to have babies with anyone other then each other and well Tori was so smug to Cat about her so called connection to Vincent. Anyways Tori is dead, never going to happen. They are not going to bring third party people into their relationship so I have absolutely no worries about that. I'm just calling it as I see it. I think that was the original plan for her character. The fact that it may or may not ever happen... is moot, I'm just talking about what I thought was going to happen based on the purpose of her character. I think if the show went on for many years - which it probably will not - they left her exit open to interpretation. We saw an ambulance speeding away, whether or not she could have been revived after she supposedly died ... is a point of discussion. Characters come back from the dead on TV every day. That is all I'm saying. Do I think it will still happen? Probably not. I stand by my theory for the "point" of the Tori character, and for me, without the beast baby possibility she didn't have one. Fans didn't like her, so they ditched the original plan for her character. Yeah everyone sees things differently that's what is so good about this forum. I on the other hand think that Tori's purpose was to show that even Vincent has a darker side because he's a beast. But now that I think of it This season was all about who am I? So I think they wanted to go this way. I think they brought in Tori, so they could explore Vincent's beast side, who he really is. And then build from there on up to him realizing that is not the person he wants to be, but once explored they can kinda close the chapter to that. Though I do think next season, they will delve into it a bit more. but going the pregnancy root would have made people stop watching the show that's y I don't see it ur way
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 12:14:53 GMT -5
2 x 22Gabe: Do you think Catherine will take me once you are dead? Vincent: Not a chance. Burn! You missed the word back in this one.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 11:14:59 GMT -5
So I was right? Generally when there is preemption the numbers appear inflated and then fall a bit. Now in this case with it being west coast I don't know. Maybe reyna can explain Alright you win this one my twin
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