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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Aug 8, 2016 6:45:08 GMT -5
This was a good solid episode (with a bunch of plot holes, but I will not moan about that too much). It is 3 days later and we open with total normalcy at IL Cantuccio's with Catherine and Heather talking. Catherine has been suspended for her stint at the cabin. She is drinking tea of all things and she is calm, cool and collected - almost serene - and I go huh? It was such a contrast to where we left off. She tells Heather that they made their decision and they have to let it play out now and there is no sense for her to her all worried. Also, there is a plan B, which is JT surveilling the comings and goings at Graydal in order to find out who the buyer is. Heather tells us that Kyle wants her to move in with him. Tess is getting herself some coffee and she sees the girls and comes over: awkward situation and Tess tells Catherine to be careful and leaves. JT is feeding the surveillance footage to Catherine's laptop and the girls see that Agent Dylan is pulling up outside for a raid. They run to the Guild. At Graydal Braxton is greeting the Feds - they have a warrant, but they do not find anything and leave again. After they leave Braxton goes to a secret part of the building and opens a concealed door. We see Vincent in chains and some diodes on his arms (like the photo we saw). Braxton says he has to find out what kind of a beast Vincent is and tortures him with high voltage current. Then he tells him that he is free to go, but he will be contacted by the buyer via the burner phone he gives him. Braxton taped Vincent beasting out and he uses that to blackmail him into going what the buyer wants. JT, Catherine and Heather are at the Guild when Vincent walks in. He looks like hell and Catherine and he hug. He fills them in and then the phone rings. Vincent is supposed to steal evidence from the 125th precinct. We get a cute shower scene where we see Vincent's upper body with Catherine watching him. She tells him that SHE will get the evidence. She pulls his towel off and says that he cannot risk 'exposure'. LOL. Catherine goes to her old precinct and sweettalks the guy at evidence to let her have what she wants for old time's sake and he does. On her way out, she meets Tess who wants to know what she was doing here. They briefly talk and Catherine carefully avoids blatantly lying to her, but it is akward again. Catherine gives the evidence to Vincent who is instructed to give it to a Triad criminal. It is the gun he committed a crime with and if he gets it back the case falls through. Vincent follows the instructions he gets via phone and delivers the gun to Lee - somebody is filming the whole scene. JT has unsuccessfully tried to hack into Graydal, so now he decides he has to go there and do it from the inside. He picks up Heather to pose as his wife from her dinner date with Kyle. He uses the excuse that an alarm went off in Catherine's office and she has to let the security people in. Kyle looks really suspicious and wants to go with them, but they refuse. Tess gets a visit from Agent Dylan who shows her photos of Vincent giving the evidence Catherine stole to Lee. Tess goes and arrests Catherine. Without telling her a lot Catherine convinces that she is letting go the little fish (Lee) in order to capture the big fish (the beast buyer) and Tess gives her 48 hours to catch the guy and lets her go. We see Kyle going to Catherine's off-site office which has been taken over by DHS and is fully staffed and computerized now. Very strange, I mean do they NOT have a whole building with staff and equipment?? Anyway, Kyle just wanders in - so there is also NO security here - and he starts to ask questions. And low and behold the agents do not throw him out, they actually answer his questions. Agent Dylan even tells him that JT and Heather are apparently married and we see them entering Graydal on the surveillance computers. Yeah, yeah, this was done for effect, I know, but it is unrealistic. Heather and JT are posing a rich couple needing security and they have a meeting with Braxton. At the apartment Vincent is showing her a bag of explosives he was instructed to pick up from a dry cleaners. They discuss that they are going to draw the line right there and NOT blow up anything. Catherine tells Vincent that she cannot find any money trail pointing to the buyer from Graydal's files and that there were no emails or other communications and then she has the epiphany that Braxton MUST be the guy behind it and that there is no buyer. At that moment they get a call on JT's cell, but it is Braxton who is holding both JT and Heather at gunpoint. He wants Vincent to blow up DHS with the explosives. VinCat comes up with a plan to have DHS take down Graydal and Vincent is going to lead them there. He tells Catherine that there is an underground tunnel which gives her access and she can come and rescue everybody. Then he goes to Grand Central Station and looks up at the surveillance cameras until DHS is alerted and they start chasing him right to Graydal. Catherine watches Braxton access the secret door and she jams it with a fire extinguisher and follows him. He has Heather and JT tied up but Catherine disarms Braxton and frees them. Braxton implicates himself and JT has everything on tape. Vincent arrives and they lock Braxton in where he had kept Vincent and get out of there. Braxton threatens them with the fact that he has tapes of Vincent beasting out and that DHS will find all that now. Then he tells them that he did not need Vincent to DO something, but to PREVENT something and that there is another breast out there, but without him Vincent will not know how to stop him. Vincent says that he does not believe him (plot hole because Vincent should be able to tell if he was lying or not).
Tess and Agent Dylan talk after the take down of Graydal and Braxton's arrest. Tess is back on my Christmas list because she plants the seed of doubt in Dylan's mind that Vincent is maybe not so bad after all. He DID lead them to Braxton when he could have just stayed in hiding. Dylan is still skeptical, but she is starting to think about it. She says: let's see what turns up on Braxton's computers. Dun, dun, dun, Vincent as a beast might turn up.... VinCat bedroom scene - so beautiful and they are cuddling really close this time. They are contemplating to run away together. Catherine is thinking that there might be another beast, but Vincent is still convinced that Braxton was lying. Knock at the door and they open it without checking who is there first. It is Tess and she takes them to the morgue where the remains of Braxton are. He was mauled and killed by a beast. Great re-cap. On the couple of plot holes you mentioned, I have some suggestions. Vincent can't tell that Braxton is telling the truth, maybe, because Braxton is very agitated at this point and shouting at Vincent to get him to listen to him. Vincent uses elevated heart-rate to tell if someone's lying so maybe Braxton's heart-beat was elevated for these reasons and Vincent thinks it's because he's lying. The only reason I can see why Vincent and Cat answered the door without checking who it was first is that they knew it was a friend. If it was the NYPD or DHS, don't they have to announce themselves? Also, Vincent tells Cat that he doesn't want to run any more, when they are cuddling in bed and she tells him he should leave because it's not safe for him. So maybe, he thinks whoever it is at the door, he will just deal with it. Thought this was another really great episode. Some very nice VinCat moments amongst the mayhem. Loved Vincent checking himself out in the mirror too and looking pleased with what he saw. And why wouldn't he?
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Aug 2, 2016 12:16:50 GMT -5
Don't worry. It doesn't have to be a negative thing. Vincent has gained skills that have saved peoples lives and led him to find Cat when she was in trouble. Also, you could be taking it too literally. Finding out what sort of beast Vincent is could mean finding out what he can do or how much if him is still human. It doesn't have to mean that Braxton wants to compare Vincent to other beasts. Who knows? We may have a long wait to find out, especially if they keep pushing episodes back a week.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Aug 2, 2016 8:46:52 GMT -5
Maybe Vincent is the new beast in the title. Maybe the experimentation and tests he endured in 4x10 gave him new powers, like before when he suddenly became able to see in the dark or he learnt how to track people. Who knows what Vincent is capable of when he puts his mind to it.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 31, 2016 12:52:31 GMT -5
I was thinking watching this and the title could be implying that Cat will have to disappear and maybe fake her death because we had those funeral pictures which we know aren't off Heather or Tess being the person everyone will gather for as they were in standard funeral clothes but it was clearly a police person and so for me Cat us the obvious person. And I too hope that it is a plan that both Cat and Vincent have come up with Tess as I really can't see Tess turning against Cat so she would have to make it look beleiveable that she has especially now she's the captain but I hope the writer's don't do that after all 10yrs if them knowing each other and being partners in the past should count for something. But yet again Vincent is in a cage poor thing. We have only just the show back on in the UK and I'm so not ready for it to end. One thing we know about the trailers. They are always misleading. Tess is arresting Cat FOR SHOW. Has to be. Tess is often the prophet of doom or the voice of reason, but she always does the right thing in the end. Remember Cat and Mouse from Season 2? She told Gabe that she chose a side, and it wasn't his. Tess will always do what is right for Cat and she also owes Vincent big time. She would had died (twice) if he hadn't saved her and he and Cat were the reason she got made Captain after all, with the busting of that big fish drug dealer on arms possession in Season 3. I am also a UK Beastie. Episode 4x02 Beast Interrupted is on tonight at 8pm in glorious HD on the W Channel. It will slightly make up for the lack of 4x10 tomorrow online, and give the UK a chance to catch up by one week, but the end is just too close and I am dreading the gaping hole this show will leave in my life once we've said 'au revoir'.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 29, 2016 10:18:57 GMT -5
I thought the poor reporter, Grace, was doomed from the start. That's the only solution for someone who wants to tell the world your secret. But it's very reminiscent of Season 2, Gabe kills Cat's reporter friend, Beth, and throws suspicion on Vincent. Problem of reporter neatly solved. Not much in this season feels like new ground. Out in the woods at a cabin was Season 1-ish. Although this time it seemed Vincent was caught too easily. I mean a guy that can move like a blur is VERY hard to trap. Not only is he caught in a net but in the final scene he just lets someone whap him on the back of the head. Where are the powers, Dr. Keller? I have the fear that no matter who is behind this Beast Bounty, it's going to feel like Deja Vu again. I guess they had already fought just about every kind of Big Bad there is. "It's a Wonderful Beast" was the most creative episode so far.I loved 405, but for me this episode is a standout as well. I liked the darker serious feel and desperate tone of VinCat's situation. VinCat's connection was very evident in all their scenes. Totally agree with you BeastieBoy. Sad but beautiful at the same time.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 29, 2016 10:17:19 GMT -5
^ Suzieq ❤️ Beastie - I love the way you edit and update your post as the episode progresses real time. I'll refrain from commenting on your comments until you're all done. Too kind sir. I really have tried to not be spoiled about the storyline each week this season. I like to try to get the vibe from you all early, but close my eyes to the details. I can't say that I enjoy it more since I was always spoiling myself the first 3 seasons. I do find that I almost like to be a little spoiled because I tend to relax more when watching. When I watch cold, I tend to miss something. I definitely will watch this tomorrow again. I must say, many episodes this year are rewatchable. I have not rewatched any Season 3 episodes. Goodnight all. . I too loved your moment by moment commentary. I am glad you liked the episode this week. It was certainly emotional. I have re-watched season 3 but mostly Episodes 1 and 13 which were the best.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 28, 2016 10:06:26 GMT -5
The song during their first kiss was 'Catalyst' by Kyla La Grange. THIS is my all-time favorite song now - it has even replaced my number one song by Foreigner: I Want To Know What Love Is. Catalyst actually started in the background while the last few scenes of Tough Love were being shown, beginning with Joe saying good-bye to his brother, Evan going over to the dark side, Catherine tucking Heather in and then going up to the roof.... I love Catalyst. In fact I really like both her songs used in s1. I love listening to my s1 and s2 CDs. Sadly s3 hasn't inspired me to make a cd but s4 has..... Perhaps you could do a Season 3 & 4 CD with the two or three good songs from 3 and the majority from Season 4. After all, there were fewer episodes in those two seasons combined so maybe not enough good songs from 4 for a whole CD. I have a Beauty and the Beast playlist on my computer and sometimes listen to it if I don't have time to re-watch actual episodes. The individual songs remind me of the corresponding scenes and make me feel all warm and fuzzy. Also loved the Tove Lo song 'Got Love' from the 'Would you stop your heart for me?' coffee shop scene at the end of 'The Most Dangerous Beast' in Season 3.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 27, 2016 15:55:57 GMT -5
Something I'd like to pick up on is the song in the final scene: Shut Us Down by Freddie Dickson. As well as being a great song on it's own, I really think the lyrics relate to VinCat and their current situation/predicament so well: "If only we could start again, I would find a way, to never have to give you up, I know it all depends, if you still feel the same, is your love still strong enough?" I'm not entirely sure who would have made this choice, whether it be HiTower or someone else, but I thought this was a really appropriate song to a very strong end of the episode. Just wanted to point it out because I really liked it lol! Good Point! sometimes I feel like in S4 songs' choice is not that great if compared to S1 or S2, but this song fits perfectly. In previous seasons all the greates VinCat moments were subtitled by great songs. I don't mention only "Wherever you will go" that is one of my favorite (in its original version of The Calling) and was used twice in two strong VinCat moments (the first ball in Bridesmade up and in the shower scene in Beast is the New black), but even songs like "Find my way back" or "Guiding light" are well sorted and placed. I don't remember a song from S3 and this is the first I've really noticed in S4... it's a pity because a good song could empathize the moment and convey feelings I agree Season 3 songs were not that memorable but I did love the MisterWives song Our Own House in Episode 1 when VinCat were making breakfast and also liked the song that played after the proposal, Ed Sheeran's One. In the last episode, I liked the wedding song, This will be our Year, took a long time to come.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 27, 2016 14:33:32 GMT -5
Something I'd like to pick up on is the song in the final scene: Shut Us Down by Freddie Dickson. As well as being a great song on it's own, I really think the lyrics relate to VinCat and their current situation/predicament so well: "If only we could start again, I would find a way, to never have to give you up, I know it all depends, if you still feel the same, is your love still strong enough?" I'm not entirely sure who would have made this choice, whether it be HiTower or someone else, but I thought this was a really appropriate song to a very strong end of the episode. Just wanted to point it out because I really liked it lol! Agree, it was a great song choice for the ending! It's Dondrea (@dawnzdrea on twitter) who picks the songs for the episodes. Hitower scores the musical (instrumental) background soundtracks. Here's an example of another song Dondrea wanted to use in S4, but didn't perhaps due to the expense of using a Prince song. It kind of hints at what might be in store for VinCat. Both great songs, would have loved to hear the Aaron Krause song but lets hope our VinCat don't have to die to save each other. Really don't think I could cope with the show finishing like that. Still traumatized by the end of Prison Break and White Collar did me no favours either.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 27, 2016 13:52:51 GMT -5
Sometimes there is no doing the right thing with stories. If the characters have their own separate archs like what happened with castle in the final season there will be complaints that the 2 leads should work together. And sometimes if you put them together there will be some who think there should be separate archs for the characters. The theme of Beauty and the Beast has always been that they are better together than apart, that they save each other. Rose you make a good point that not all relationships are equal. Vincent is the one with the genetically modified DNA and therefore, the most issues. He has saved Cat's life on many occasions and she has saved him from losing himself to his beast side. He is the victim of the story going back to Season 1. What happened to Cat, in losing her mother was traumatic, but she was able to rebuild a somewhat normal life out of that tragedy. Vincent's arc at that time was even worse. He was experimented on and left for dead. He had to give up all thoughts of a normal life. No job, no money no relationships (apart from JT) He was a dead man who was still walking around but only leading a half-life, hiding in shadows, FOR 10 YEARS. To me, it's not a huge surprise that Cat is the one who has to help Vincent the most. If you love someone, and they need your help, need to rely on you, lean on you, wouldn't you do it, at the drop of a hat? We all wanted more VinCat time in this season, and we've definitely got it, but more VinCat time will inevitably lead to less separate Cat or Vincent character development arcs. We can't have it both ways, especially as we are running out of episodes.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 27, 2016 13:24:12 GMT -5
Based on the content of this episode, I have to agree with Dan as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm still enjoying this season, far more than last season. My only point of contention IS that Cat HAS completely given up her own career. When I first heard that Catherine was going to work for DHS this season, I was thrilled, thinking that someone valued the work she did on cases. But again, when HAS she had time to seriously work on cases since Season 1? Cat admitted as much in the beginning of S2 where she had completely thrown over her extended caseload onto Tess while looking for a missing Vincent. At least in S2, however, the "beast" cases often DID become actual cases, and the resolution of said cases often depended on Cat. By the end of S2, Cat was suspended from the NYPD and having to help Vincent full-time. While she was finally reinstated and ACTUALLY WORKING on cases at the beginning of S3, that didn't last. So yeah, Cat's life has more or less been on hold due to Beast issues. And she only took the DHS job to help Vincent, in my opinion, rather than it being a real life-changing career move. And again, she was hired due to beast issues in order to cover-up Vincent's involvement, which WAS a serious irritation for me. TESS is able to be promoted to a captain position because she HAS been able to keep her real day-job, more or less. So I actually may end up feeling for Tess in this episode, WHEN I finally get to see it. Because you CAN'T be half-in to all things beast. It is totally life-consuming, obviously, for Cat. I can see Tess needing to distance herself since it would never end. So a choice HAS to be made, and the consequences of a MULTI-YEAR cover-up are finally coming to the fore. Obviously, with this episode, we are meant to see that Cat HAS essentially lost her career at this point. She will have to do something else. And who would realistically hire her in her profession of choice, since her work record over the last four years would leave anyone in security or law enforcement reluctant to hire her. Sigh. Would have liked SOME special Cat storyline. Just wish we got a Season 3 do-over entirely, as I could appreciate S4 WITHOUT regret had S3 given us something Cat-centered. BUT it is what it is. I'm still loving this season, even if I wish certain things were different. Actually, I think there were a few Cat centric story-lines in Season 3, more so than in Season 4, especially the Chasing Ghosts episode, which centred on Cat's relationship with her mum and the the outburst at the bridal shower. Also the Cat's out of the Bag episode, where she decided not to go after Liam and all the other characters had to group together to get her back on board. I think Season 4 has had a lot of Beast titles but the action has focussed more on them as a couple. I agree with you and am loving Season 4 more than 3 as a result of this.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 25, 2016 8:26:24 GMT -5
Grace had already been shot and was in shock but not dead at this point. The Graydal guy shoots into the cabin again and Vincent shouts No! Cat! It's to make Graydal guy think she's dead so she can get Grace to a hospital while Vincent draws the assassin away from the cabin. Then Vincent runs, gets caught in a steel net and gets tranquilized. Grace dies before Cat can do anything to help her, so she goes to help Vincent. She shoots Graydal guy in self defense after initially putting her gun down.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 25, 2016 6:30:52 GMT -5
One word to express my state of mind after watching that episode. TRAUMATIZED. A few points that came to mind during and shortly after watching this episode:
Grace - I think Cat & Vincent decided to 'tell all' because Grace had a good reputation as being a serious journalist, who searched for truth and justice. I think they did the right thing. She was about to go public with what she knew anyway. Better to meet her and put their side of things before she did that and hope that their honesty and her sense of right and wrong would mean that she would help them and keep Vincent's identity a secret.
Tess - I think Cat said back in Season 1 that Tess is very 'black and white' when it comes to the law. Cat was too, but after she met Vincent, she accepted that everything would be grey from then on. Tess seemed genuinely shocked by the advice she got from the ADA. Instead of 'arrest her' she heard 'arrest myself' and I think it suddenly hit her what she had been doing since she found out about Vincent. The question is, what would she have done next if JT had let her resign? Would she have got on board 24/7 trying to help VinCat like JT?
Cabin - It seems almost inconsequential now after the events of the episode but it probably was the same cabin or set but was not SUPPOSED to be the same. Didn't Cat say she found it online as a surprise for their 6 month anniversary? Does it really matter if it was the same. Vincent and Alex never 'did the deed' there in Season 1. Alex definitely had that on her mind when she took Vincent there but his intention was only to talk to her and come clean about his 'PTSD' or lack of it.
JT - What a truly altruistic character he is, putting his own life on the line to save Vincent from the police raid fall-out, withstanding all that emotional pressure from Tess and standing firm, not giving her VinCat's location, and finally, talking Tess out of resigning by promising her he would keep her out of all 'beast related crap' in the future EVEN if it meant she had to arrest him for it, somewhere down the line.
Heather - Where was she this week and why, if JT was keeping Tess out of the loop, didn't he involve her instead? Protecting her too, maybe.
Source - Who was Grace's source? She seemed to know EVERYTHING that had happened, including the secret Graydal meeting. My guess is that the source and the big bad (bounty putter-upper) are one and the same. If it's all coming full circle, I think the source of the bounty is someone connected to Muirfield or the Secret Organisation of wealthy Capitalists behind the Beast experiments in Season 2. There have been a lot of loose threads not really cleared up going right back to season 1. Why was the FBI involved in trying to cover up the identity of those who carried out the shooting of Vanessa Chandler? Why did they send the bike messenger and agents to kill Cat in the subway? It can't have been Bob Reynolds. He would never have ordered a hit on Cat or Vanessa. Who killed Thomas Chandler and why? In Season 2, Who sent the sniper in the chopper who took out the guy who was just about to talk at the end of the siege at the precinct in 'Hostages'? Who ordered the killing of the guy who planted Windsor's heart in Vincent's fridge? Again, it wasn't Bob. He only paid the guy to plant the heart.
Vincent - What was he thinking handing himself into Graydal? We know they need to keep him alive but really. I don't think I can last two weeks to find out what happens next.
One thing I really liked about this episode (although it was also the most heartbreaking aspect) was the realisation, by Vincent and Cat, that things were never going to be normal for them. It's like they've been kidding themselves and lying to themselves, and each other, that they can get past this and solve all their problems. But that is NEVER going to happen. This acceptance was actually kind of refreshing and made their situation all the more tragic and believable. Perhaps now they can free themselves from searching for the impossible and come up with a plan that will enable them to escape with their lives (and love) intact, even if it leads them to another life, doing another job, in another city, somewhere in the world. As long as they're together. That seems to be the best that they can hope for at this point.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 22, 2016 14:41:18 GMT -5
And hilarious that Cat tries to have an actual CONVERSATION with Vincent prior to sex, considering Vincent hasn't been around his wife for any amount of "couples time" most likely for at least a week or more. And I like the implication that the employees of Graydol can just TELL, even not knowing Vincent well, that he is off his game and rattled and an emotional loose cannon being away from his wife. And as Vincent tells JT, he is obviously sleep deprived as well, since he can't sleep without Cat by his side. Vincent can BARELY hold it together without contact from Cat, and I love that he pleaded with JT to make it happen that he saw Cat. As to the scene with the security guard: NO, it is normally not okay to kill someone, even if you plan on bringing them back. BUT Vincent was placed in a catch-22 type of situation. The blond assassin had her GUN trained on both Vincent AND the security guard. Had Vincent refused to "kill" him, she would have just shot him, then Vincent. While Vincent could have gotten away, the security guard would have been dead from the bullet(s) and most likely unrevivable. So by Vincent deciding to strangle the guy, he keeps said guy from being shot and is able to then bring the guy back. But the PROBLEM I had with the above scenario was that while Vincent was trying to revive the security guard, Cat could have far easily ended up dead. Because this was a trained assassin that kills professionally for a living. Yes, Cat is good, as she again proved in the scene. But given her potential earlier injuries from the whole park fiasco and the pool incident, the fight could have easily have gone the other way, with Cat falling on the knife. So Vincent's situation has, quite frankly, almost led to Cat's death. Which would have been a direct result of Vincent's involvement with Graydol. And if something happened to Cat as a direct result of Vincent's activities with Graydol, you KNOW that Vincent would never be able to live with himself and would most likely go insane in the process. So yeah, deaths and injuries are again piling up. Similar to "Prison Break," the death of innocents begins to turn the tide of Vincent's desire to clear his name. At some point, what is there left to clear? Cat is right that the whole thing needs to be resolved, but Vincent already realizes that while he could have originally turned himself in, they are now WAY past that. While we the viewers know that it is the final season, had BATB had a longer season 4 or even a season 5, the possibilities for the show really could have been endless. DHS should be interested in working with VinCat to bring down the shadier side of Graydol. Because the lengths that Graydol is willing to go for whatever information is contained on that flash drive involves some serious dealings. So while I agree that S4 in some ways follows the formula of S3, the writers are still giving us WAY better connections and storylines than last season. And the VinCat quality scenes are CERTAINLY better. I LOVE that VinCat are clearly united and can't be divided, even when given situations like in this episode and last one. (And I LOVED that Cat knows that Vincent kissed the blond due to the undercover thing and that Vincent wouldn't cheat on her, but it is just SO much the woman/wife side of Cat that is irked to no end that the situation has come to such things and therefore must give a little grief Vincent's way over what happened! KK's FACIAL EXPRESSIONS were just SO PERFECT in this one! ESPECIALLY the way her eyes looked like she was seriously contemplating Vincent's death momentarily for that kiss!!) Loved your post. A couple of points that you raised: Totally agree that Vincent was caught between a rock and a hard place, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. No choice but to do what he did. We always have to have faith in Vincent that he will do he right thing, like Cat does. Secondly, fancy him turning over the flash drive without at least having a look at what was on it first. It could have had the evidence he was looking for to exonerate him, for all we know. Also, you're right about what could have happened to Cat. I don't think Vincent knew it was Cat coming in and probably thought it was another security guard. He was too flustered to listen out for her heartbeat. Just another example of him not always making great choices when Cat's not around.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 22, 2016 14:23:11 GMT -5
Don't want to moan or be a killjoy, but can we leave this discussion to another thread. It's supposed to be a thread to discuss the episode that's already been watched by Canadian viewers and those, like me, who can't wait and have watched it online. This is the last season and I really want to enjoy it. We all have our opinions and all opinions are valid but I for one, don't feel that the romance has gone. I am definitely feeling the romance in season 4 and I hope you will change your mind, Season 4 Suzie, when you see the episode for yourself on Thursday. Point taken on this issue. I do, however, think we are being shortchanged on the relationship and the lack of passion. Romance and cute scenarios are great but it is unrealistic to show all "cutsie" when you have dramatic, life-risking story lines and not show intense "reunions" between Vincent and Catherine. At any point either one could die and just the fact that they survived would make them cherish their reunions more and hence, more passion. At least in my opinion that would be a great set up for that type of scene at least once this season. I am enjoying many aspects of this season. Just because I am behind on seeing the episode until the US airing doesn't mean I can't have an "anticipated" view of it. So I go in hoping I will "LOVE IT" but so far this season, I am only at the "Very enjoyable" stage. I think too, that the involvement of the actors on Social Media would really ENGAGE the BATB faithful, don't you think? And their silence is surprising. Their view on the episode or any tidbits was what I initially loved about the beginning of the show. But, again, maybe I will rant in another thread. Hope I enjoy the episode........Happy viewing to all! Sorry, Season 4 Suzie, I should have said this thread was for people who have already seen, or been 'spoiled' a little, to discuss the episode. Those who want to stay spoiler free should avoid it like the plague. Of course most of us have been a little spoiled and know about aspects of each episode and in another thread, I think I said I was dreading this episode because of the other woman scenario. I can't help looking at the pictures and the promo although it is always misleading. Despite this, I always reserve judgement on an episode until I've seen it and try to not let other opinions affect my anticipation of what I'm about to see. If others say that it didn't live up to expectations, it could lead me to view it already on a downer. But that's just me. I really, really hope you liked the episode after all and maybe having low expectations meant you were pleasantly surprised.
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