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Post by primm85 on Sept 15, 2014 0:48:29 GMT -5
Season 1 and Season 2 seem like two completely different shows. I enjoyed season 1 better than season 2, if someone was to ask me.
So.. where can they go for S3 in order to get more fans and top the ratings?? (I really would like to see this show actually cross the stage at the PCA! They keep getting robbed of that moment with all their wins!!!) This is a HUGE challenge for the writers. So, here are some of my suggestions/thoughts:
1) Back stories... yes I know this has been mentioned by others here. (I've been watching for the first time season 1 of Arrow... as I wait for S3 of BATB... and I really like the flashbacks to the island and how the creators are slowly giving you more and more of how Oliver gets his skills and drive as The Arrow.)
2) When Cat practically kills Gabe with her strength in S2 and Vincent says "You did this?" Hmmm... is there more to Catherine's DNA? I mean both her parents were involved with the "program".
3) The writers need to give more screen time to the Vincat romance. I know actors find scenes like that uncomfortable to shoot, but the love between Vincat in S1 was HOT! And, I believe that played a huge part in the fan base becoming so large and vocal. Jay Ryan and KK have an incredible chemistry and the CW needs to use that to their "ratings" advantage. But... I realize that we can't have that "achingly romantic" feeling like S1. They are a couple... so now how do the writers keep the female fans hearts fluttering? S2 lacked this in my opinion. The kissing scenes were fantastic, but they were short and not often enough.
4) Less mythology and more conspiracy. The gem thing was kind of silly, in my opinion. How about exploring more about how Muirfield ever REALLY came to be. Yes, yes... super soldiers needed in battle... but how, why and who created beasts and why? I mean if it all started back in the 1800s....
Bottom line is this... I started watching this show as a fluke just a few months ago so I didn't experience the live Twitter explosion that Jay mentions in an interview. I LOVE the show idea and the layers and really would like it to keep going.
WHY ONLY 13 EPISODES FOR S3? Is this what networks do when they know it is probably, truly the last season? CW has stated that it is a profitable worldwide show, so why not make 23/24 episodes?
All that to say... I anxiously await for S3!
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Post by dan on Sept 15, 2014 1:28:54 GMT -5
More Vincent centric than even season 2. Let Cat just be the love interest / Beast Whisperer and nothing more.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Sept 16, 2014 12:28:27 GMT -5
More Vincent centric than even season 2. Let Cat just be the love interest / Beast Whisperer and nothing more. Good one dan. Yeah right, Cat's nothing more than a love slave in S3. Joking aside, I also would like to see more of Cat's back story developed and have the weekly "supernatural being or beast" mystery be tied directly to Cat's police work. Hopefully more like S1, but with the best action elements of S2 being brought into the mix. The case of the week or story arc would need the help of medical examiner, but instead of turning to Evan (since he's gone), Cat will now turn to Vincent and JT. As for Cat's personal life, Heather's upcoming wedding (or not) should play a big role. Of course the VinCat romance and relationship must be center stage. But there's still unanswered questions from S1, like why was her mother's grave moved? What's the real story between her mother and papa Reynolds? etc.
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Post by raniamahd on Sept 16, 2014 15:06:22 GMT -5
Yeah right, Cat's nothing more than a love slave in S3. can you pleas define what do you mean by love slave ?! because you two and other few members keep repeat that about Cat , and also repeat that her relationship with V isn't healthy because she sacrificed much for him ?! there were also some comments said she is weak and that strong independent women don't act like that ?!! so strong independent woman in your opinion should be a heartless selfish b.... who cares for no one but herself ?! sacrificing for people you love is undermine woman now in your opinion ?! Cat happened to fall in love with a man has a very not normal special condition , so for their relation to work out she had to make sacrifices or simply walk away from him , and he more than once gave her an exit from their relation , he gave her the choice and she choose love ! maybe because she is like some other weak women think love worth it all ! and as a woman who has a husband and kids i could sacrifice anything and everything for them without asking for anything in return and never consider this as a weakness , so i start to feel uncomfortable with your comments ! and i think some other women who don't consider sacrificing for their beloved persons weak or pathetic and still consider themselves strong and independent may also feel offended by your comments , i for example find the word ( love slave ) very offended to women ! you know complaining about the show and the lack of Cat concentrate as you describe it is one thing but offending women who happened to believe in love and its worthy and don't count the number of their sacrifices and find it their strong point not the opposite is a very different thing !
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Post by BeastieBoy on Sept 16, 2014 16:09:45 GMT -5
Yeah right, Cat's nothing more than a love slave in S3. can you pleas define what do you mean by love slave ?! because you two and other few members keep repeat that about Cat , and also repeat that her relationship with V isn't healthy because she sacrificed much for him ?! there were also some comments said she is weak and that strong independent women don't act like that ?!! so strong independent woman in your opinion should be a heartless selfish b.... who cares for no one but herself ?! sacrificing for people you love is undermine woman now in your opinion ?! Cat happened to fall in love with a man has a very not normal special condition , so for their relation to work out she had to make sacrifices or simply walk away from him , and he more than once gave her an exit from their relation , he gave her the choice and she choose love ! maybe because she is like some other weak women think love worth it all ! and as a woman who has a husband and kids i could sacrifice anything and everything for them without asking for anything in return and never consider this as a weakness , so i start to feel uncomfortable with your comments ! and i think some other women who don't consider sacrificing for their beloved persons weak or pathetic and still consider themselves strong and independent may also feel offended by your comments , i for example find the word ( love slave ) very offended to women ! you know complaining about the show and the lack of Cat concentrate as you describe it is one thing but offending women who happened to believe in love and its worthy and don't count the number of their sacrifices and find it their strong point not the opposite is a very different thing ! My comment about being a "love slave" was a joke. From some of your other comments, I know that English is a second language for you, so I think you misunderstood my meaning, dan was being sarcastic, I was just playing along. I feel that Cat is the exact opposite of a "love slave", hence why it was a joke. I do feel that Cat is a strong independent woman and didn't mean to imply she's weak. But like dan, I would love to see more story arcs that are centered on her story. Unlike dan, I don't mind the Vincent centric arcs, because I feel Cat is also core to these story arcs. So please don't think I feel Cat is weak because she's in love, that's not the case at all. Sorry if I confused or offended you.
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Post by raniamahd on Sept 16, 2014 18:25:03 GMT -5
can you pleas define what do you mean by love slave ?! because you two and other few members keep repeat that about Cat , and also repeat that her relationship with V isn't healthy because she sacrificed much for him ?! there were also some comments said she is weak and that strong independent women don't act like that ?!! so strong independent woman in your opinion should be a heartless selfish b.... who cares for no one but herself ?! sacrificing for people you love is undermine woman now in your opinion ?! Cat happened to fall in love with a man has a very not normal special condition , so for their relation to work out she had to make sacrifices or simply walk away from him , and he more than once gave her an exit from their relation , he gave her the choice and she choose love ! maybe because she is like some other weak women think love worth it all ! and as a woman who has a husband and kids i could sacrifice anything and everything for them without asking for anything in return and never consider this as a weakness , so i start to feel uncomfortable with your comments ! and i think some other women who don't consider sacrificing for their beloved persons weak or pathetic and still consider themselves strong and independent may also feel offended by your comments , i for example find the word ( love slave ) very offended to women ! you know complaining about the show and the lack of Cat concentrate as you describe it is one thing but offending women who happened to believe in love and its worthy and don't count the number of their sacrifices and find it their strong point not the opposite is a very different thing ! My comment about being a "love slave" was a joke. From some of your other comments, I know that English is a second language for you, so I think you misunderstood my meaning, dan was being sarcastic, I was just playing along. I feel that Cat is the exact opposite of a "love slave", hence why it was a joke. I do feel that Cat is a strong independent woman and didn't mean to imply she's weak. But like dan, I would love to see more story arcs that are centered on her story. Unlike dan, I don't mind the Vincent centric arcs, because I feel Cat is also core to these story arcs. So please don't think I feel Cat is weak because she's in love, that's not the case at all. Sorry if I confused or offended you. Thank you and sorry if my post was harsh as you said English isn't my first language and i am also from different culture so sometimes some comments make my confuse ! in this case i didn't get it that you were joking i get Dan's sarcastic in spite of the language and the culture difference, i have to be dumb to don't understand that lol , but i didn't understand that you were joking so sorry again but let me take the chance to talk about this issue : my post wasn't direct personally to you but it was in general to some other comments which talk about the model of strong and independent woman Cat suppose to represent and that sacrificing for her love and putting the one she loves first undermine that model ?! imo there is no ideal model for perfect strong independent woman ! its a matter of perspective of view ! for example i don't think a woman or a man if that matter putting himself/herself first , cares first for his/her need and want is a mark of strength ! because selfishness is a part of human nature , but to find the strength in you heart to truly love someone that you can put aside your need and selfless put his/her need and want first that take a real strength , to be totally capable of manage everything by your own but chose to rely in someone and let him rely on you in return for help and support in life ? that really the big deal imo ! for example if a woman choses to sacrifices her/his job or even her whole career for her beloved one ? if she is satisfied with her choice and feel peace and happy with her life that way , so who has the right to tell her that is the wrong choice or that she isn't a good example for strong independent woman ?! isn't happiness and peace the everyone's purpose on life ? happiness and peace are not the same for everyone ? every person find them in different places and different things , and it isn't fair to make a woman feel bad about herself if she found her happiness in things some others consider them weakness ! and i feel the same way about men who sacrifice everything for love too , if that make them happy and satisfied so no one should judge them ! and to return to the show i wish people concentrate on discussing the events and the characters without making general judgments about people because people are different and your fact isn't necessary other people fact ! its all a matter of personal perspective ! thanks again and sorry for the long post and any language mistakes
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Sept 17, 2014 12:11:23 GMT -5
That is part of the problem with Season 3 only having 13 episodes. There is so much already out there that they have pledged to do that it leaves very little wiggle room.
1) Unanswered questions from Season 1 & 2: Most likely just going to be left hanging. I mean, there isn't time to look backwards. Ted Whittall has already indicated that it is not likely that he will be back for Season 3, so past Daddy Reynolds issues apparently won't be coming up onscreen.
2) It does appear from what little has come out that, at least at the beginning, it will be a beast or case a week type deal with a bigger conspiracy possibly being revealed later. So you got the ongoing parade of victims and those being experimented on, their family members, and a potential wider angle of a big-bad corporation as well as agents that VinCat will be working with.
A question I have is what if those agents get killed? Are Vincent and Catherine working with the whole organization or just a couple of select agents (like where their FBI liaison was JUST Agent Knox)? I mean, obviously, all of Homeland Security would not be working on "beast" issues.
3) Family issues WILL be explored this season. Tess has FIVE brothers (just re-watched the second episode of Season 1 where Tess says that 2 of her 5 brothers met their spouses on the force). Heather will now be a regular and so will be interacting with VinCat on a fairly consistent basis. JT and Vincent are all but brothers and have their own interactions, same as Tess and Cat. So all of those family entanglements will take up a fair amount of screen time to explore.
4) For the first time, really, Vincent will have his own attempt at a NORMAL life. Previously, he has been on the run, for the most part, or on missions. So Vincent had a really limited amount of contacts and interaction with the "real world." Now, Vincent will be a doctor with his own schedule. Which most likely will conflict with Cat. Normal Couple Issues is supposed to be a theme. So different professions with different social circles attached to them WILL have to come up. Would be unrealistic if it didn't. ADD to this the fact that VinCat will be working with Homeland Security on beast-related experiments (I call it "beast"-related rather than human experimentation. Basically, humans are being transformed by scientists, presumably against their will. Maybe some do so voluntarily, like Curt Windsor did. Should be interesting to see who and what is behind this.). At least VinCat get definite time together to work on cases, presumably. HOWEVER, if Homeland Security is NOT telling the precinct or the hospital about VinCat's involvement with them, THAT could be an additional problem as well if it cuts into their professional jobs.
All of the above take away time from strictly VinCat romance scenes (which Beasties, as a rule, ALL want). You can see how a significant amount of pressure and time will be put on VinCat. How the two deal with this pressure will be part of Season 3's issues for VinCat. I'm also VERY interested to see whether Vincent or Catherine want to move forward with the relationship or hold back on making it permanent (as in living arrangements, engagement ring, wedding, kids). I'm interested to see what Vincent wants to do once the Boathouse gets burned. Presumably, that forces the issue of whether VinCat live together or not. And if they don't, WHY NOT? Heather will either be happy with her potential marriage or not. And that WILL impact VinCat, since an unhappy Heather will be at their doorstep constantly (and staying over, using the one bathroom, etc.). And if her relationship doesn't work out, how potentially wary will that make Cat in pursuing marriage with Vincent? And if Cat is balking on moving forward, Vincent won't be happy. So a lot of potential uneasiness going back and forth between my favorite couple as to how fast they are moving in the relationship.
While Cat has a lot of family issues to potentially contend with (new in-law, sister back, etc.) as well as professional ones, Vincent's life will potentially have the most change. If he is working for Homeland Security and having to use his "beast senses" to help solve cases or help others, whether or not it is possible for him to even HAVE a normal life WILL have to be an issue. Also, we really don't know if Vincent can avoid "beasting out" on a regular basis, particularly if he is already needing to for cases. Can he control it enough to remain a doctor? Before, his schedule was wide open and allowed him to be available for Cat whenever she called (think Season 2 episodes 213 and 214. REMEMBER the frustration Cat had when Vincent was trying to save the other Jacob while she needed him to track and combat the beast at large? Cat ended up getting injured when she had to confront a beast and Vincent wasn't there.). What if Cat gets hurt on a beast-related case because Vincent couldn't be there due to his hospital/doctor's office demands? That would cause Vincent to have to CHOOSE between Cat and his profession potentially.
The other issue, which no one has yet seemed to mention, is that with Cat investigating into these cases and being the go-to person for Homeland, what if said conspiracy-based corporation/organization decides to experiment or take Cat? Definitely leverage against Vincent.
So with so much already going on in 13 episodes of Season 3, there is little to no room for filler. I just HOPE the life and death threatening scenes serve to bring VinCat CLOSER rather than cause tension in the relationship. I want the potential conspiracy to cause them to bond closer together, since they could lose each other suddenly at any moment. Should AMP UP the romance rather than lessen it, if written well. At least, that is MY hope.
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Post by corinne on Dec 5, 2014 8:58:57 GMT -5
Hi everyone,
Very interesting discussion...some of you have good points.
I would not like another love triangle either. I would also love more flashback and filling of holes from their past (Vincent, Catherine, her parents, even JT, Heather or Tess). I think it is necessary that the beast thing continue to generate "problems" in their daily life, maybe with their family, with her job, with State départements, I don't know, but it has to stay a part of the suspense and excitment. The beast thing should also continue to save her/them in some circumstances. I love when he arrives and save her ;-) And most of all I guess I would also "need" some difficulties in their relationship because if it's only flowers and happy smiles, I would be missing that emotional tension. Maybe some misunderstandings, or daily life together adjustment, I don't know. But we have to see them upset/angry,at each other to better see them reconcile, right?
What I loved most in season 1 was waiting for the moment when finally, in spite of difficulties and doubts and anguishs, they let it go. You need to "wait" a little, for their reunion to be that good! And no need to say, I loved all their kisses, both tender and passionate, and I loved how they always took care of each other. I DO DO NEED to see them that way.
So as a summary: a little bit of beast for the plot tension and suspens, a little bit of relationship difficulties, and most of all true, magical and chemical LOVE!
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Post by dan on Dec 5, 2014 9:55:58 GMT -5
Hi everyone, Very interesting discussion...some of you have good points. I would not like another love triangle either. I would also love more flashback and filling of holes from their past (Vincent, Catherine, her parents, even JT, Heather or Tess). I think it is necessary that the beast thing continue to generate "problems" in their daily life, maybe with their family, with her job, with State départements, I don't know, but it has to stay a part of the suspense and excitment. The beast thing should also continue to save her/them in some circumstances. I love when he arrives and save her ;-) And most of all I guess I would also "need" some difficulties in their relationship because if it's only flowers and happy smiles, I would be missing that emotional tension. Maybe some misunderstandings, or daily life together adjustment, I don't know. But we have to see them upset/angry,at each other to better see them reconcile, right? What I loved most in season 1 was waiting for the moment when finally, in spite of difficulties and doubts and anguishs, they let it go. You need to "wait" a little, for their reunion to be that good! And no need to say, I loved all their kisses, both tender and passionate, and I loved how they always took care of each other. I DO DO NEED to see them that way. So as a summary: a little bit of beast for the plot tension and suspens, a little bit of relationship difficulties, and most of all true, magical and chemical LOVE! Fear not sister,the Beast thing have been and will stay to rule every single episode next season. I have no doubt about it. And based on spoiler you WILL keep hearing abt Vincent past,even more flashback, more Backstory of him and more family members of the beast. AAfter two seasons, if there's ONE thing you can count on,is that theBATB writers will always write more and most about the Beast! I mean,what else is there to know abt Cat,Tess, or JT? We already know everything there is to know abt them,right.
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Post by tenshi on Dec 5, 2014 10:34:45 GMT -5
Hi everyone, Very interesting discussion...some of you have good points. I would not like another love triangle either. I would also love more flashback and filling of holes from their past (Vincent, Catherine, her parents, even JT, Heather or Tess). I think it is necessary that the beast thing continue to generate "problems" in their daily life, maybe with their family, with her job, with State départements, I don't know, but it has to stay a part of the suspense and excitment. The beast thing should also continue to save her/them in some circumstances. I love when he arrives and save her ;-) And most of all I guess I would also "need" some difficulties in their relationship because if it's only flowers and happy smiles, I would be missing that emotional tension. Maybe some misunderstandings, or daily life together adjustment, I don't know. But we have to see them upset/angry,at each other to better see them reconcile, right? What I loved most in season 1 was waiting for the moment when finally, in spite of difficulties and doubts and anguishs, they let it go. You need to "wait" a little, for their reunion to be that good! And no need to say, I loved all their kisses, both tender and passionate, and I loved how they always took care of each other. I DO DO NEED to see them that way. So as a summary: a little bit of beast for the plot tension and suspens, a little bit of relationship difficulties, and most of all true, magical and chemical LOVE! Fear not sister, the Beast thing have been and will stay to rule every single episode next season. I have no doubt about it. And based on spoiler you WILL keep hearing abt Vincent past,even more flashback, more Backstory of him and more family members of the beast. AAfter two seasons, if there's ONE thing you can count on,is that theBATB writers will always write more and most about the Beast! I mean,what else is there to know abt Cat,Tess, or JT? We already know everything there is to know abt them,right. Well the show is called Beauty and the Beast. There would not be a show with the Beast but without the Beauty and vice versa!
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Post by dan on Dec 5, 2014 11:07:54 GMT -5
Fear not sister, the Beast thing have been and will stay to rule every single episode next season. I have no doubt about it. And based on spoiler you WILL keep hearing abt Vincent past,even more flashback, more Backstory of him and more family members of the beast. AAfter two seasons, if there's ONE thing you can count on,is that theBATB writers will always write more and most about the Beast! I mean,what else is there to know abt Cat,Tess, or JT? We already know everything there is to know abt them,right. Well the show is called Beauty and the Beast. There would not be a show with the Beast but without the Beauty and vice versa! As I was saying,the Beast thing will continue to rule everything on a show named beauty AND THE BEAST. Of course,you can't have Batb without the beauty. Just like you can't have a show called Superman without Lois lane Spiderman without marry jane Smallville without Lana lang Twillight without Bella swan The great Samson without dellilah Snow white & 7 dwarfes without the dwarfes.
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Post by tenshi on Dec 5, 2014 11:23:41 GMT -5
Well the show is called Beauty and the Beast. There would not be a show with the Beast but without the Beauty and vice versa! As I was saying,the Beast thing will continue to rule everything on a show named beauty AND THE BEAST. Of course,you can't have Batb without the beauty. Just like you can't have a show called Superman without Lois lane Spiderman without marry jane Smallville without Lana lang Twillight without Bella swan The great Samson without dellilah Snow white & 7 dwarfes without the dwarfes. Would you be so kind to let us know then what you want to see in S3 thats about the Beauty involving the Beast but without involving beast issues and centered round the Beauty? Your just always complaining but not explaining which direction you want S3 to go.
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Post by corinne on Dec 5, 2014 15:07:39 GMT -5
Hi Dan
Yeah I know there will always be a beast in "Beauty and The Beast". What I meant is that, personally, I loved the balance between romance and beast elements in season 1 and I'd like it that way, and not a show with more and more romance and less and less beast. About JT and Tess, I disagree, you only know what we've been told so far. Human nature is complex at the infinity, we could always discover more and new things about them, I'm open to anything, they're good second characters
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Post by raniamahd on Dec 5, 2014 16:22:37 GMT -5
Hi Dan Yeah I know there will always be a beast in "Beauty and The Beast". What I meant is that, personally, I loved the balance between romance and beast elements in season 1 and I'd like it that way, and not a show with more and more romance and less and less beast. About JT and Tess, I disagree, you only know what we've been told so far. Human nature is complex at the infinity, we could always discover more and new things about them, I'm open to anything, they're good second characters Hi and welcome in the forum i like the direction you want even if its hard for me to complain if the romance takes over the show ( hopeless romantic always i am afraid ) --- but i totally get your point and agree too because the beastly things should be the main obstacle in the show ! otherwise we will have a regular relationship drama could be found in any other show cover this type of drama and nothing specially could only found in BATB or SCI series in general , right ? i mean look at all BATB versions ( movies - old show -- etc ) the beastly thing was always the main obstacle in the way of their love and the main source of events , we didn't see them fight like normal couple about who go shopping for grocery , who should do the dishes , exchange news about their daily work and who has the most annoying family members lol , right ? it was always the beastly things which impede their way or keep them apart therefore i was totally against triangles in S2 not only because i don't like them in general but because they have no place in BATB ? not when you should have a very different type of obstacles ! and as for Tess and JT we will see a lot of their storyline in S3 , Tess's brothers would have appearance in S3 and will have interaction with Tess/JT relationship , we will get explanation about who they saved JT in S2 final was a new kind of treatment , Tess and Cat won't be partners any more ( Cat would have new partner at work ) so yeah till now S3 seems so promising imho
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Post by dan on Dec 5, 2014 16:38:27 GMT -5
Hi Dan Yeah I know there will always be a beast in "Beauty and The Beast". What I meant is that, personally, I loved the balance between romance and beast elements in season 1 and I'd like it that way, and not a show with more and more romance and less and less beast. About JT and Tess, I disagree, you only know what we've been told so far. Human nature is complex at the infinity, we could always discover more and new things about them, I'm open to anything, they're good second characters When did the beast elements NOT became the main focus of the show? There have been more more and more and even MORE beast element with every episodes. Season two had way more BEAST than season one. Next season will probably even have more beast beast beast beast and more beast than anything else. Trust me,you can count on it.
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