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Post by evanarose on Feb 4, 2014 5:36:36 GMT -5
So after watching this episode...the end with Cat and Gabe was abit of a kick in the guts! I mean sure, Gabe has been supportive and all. Debatable to whether he has another agenda or not. And yes, after Vs shenanigans, it may feel that Cat needs a turn. But question is? Do you guys think she ACTUALLY has feelings for him? Why do you think she said she wants to be with him? Do you think its because Gabe said he was going to move... Or Catherine feels its the right thing to do (morally.) after Gabe having supported her, helped her through tough times and V being a douche? Is she is trying to move on, have Gabe as a distraction so she can put herself in denial that her feelings are really for Vincent? But on the other hand, she thinks its not right to have feelings for him after what he has done? Anyway just interested to see what your thoughts were.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Feb 4, 2014 6:12:45 GMT -5
Mmm! I like this thread! and I'm clueless to how answer the question! It knocked me out too when I heard Catherine accepting Gabe and to be honest I don't have a clue why she decided to go all for it when she just said she wanted to be on her own and discover what she really wants. I don't think Cat sees Gabe as a "distraction" from V because she cares for Gabe and doesn't want to (conciously) hurt him. I think Gabe saying he was leaving the precint was key to "push" her and hurry to take a decision. Which could be Gabe's intention from the beginning. For me, the most surprising was that she decides to accept Gabe RIGHT AFTER HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH VINCENT! I mean, the guy was openly telling her he would become nuts if he lost her... but maybe in his diatribe he was also implying (again) that he couldn't have anyone around him because everyone was getting hurted because of him and he would feel devastated with guilt. Of course he's not right, but the message Catherine could receive was that he didn't want to be with her. On the other hand, I think Catherine was convinced that him and Tori were still together so, does Catherine really knows that Vincent still loves her and wants to be with her? Well, based on promo for next ep, not even Vincent is aware of that! lol! so that's another reason for catherine to move on, cause she considers Vincent is not an option (so when JT breaks the brocode and tells her that V still loves her... you know! Finally, one thing is to become friends with V again, but Cat was also very hurted and maybe she still isn't sure if V has come fully back to his senses. Any way, no matter what, I found that decision very rushed and brainless! and it hurts seeing Cat kissing the guy and having those smiles on her face...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 7:45:44 GMT -5
Ridiculous plot device and attempts of the writers to please audiences that like love triangles. Nothing less. Funny thing is that I never saw a beastie that likes that.
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Post by kiki09 on Feb 4, 2014 8:33:20 GMT -5
Ridiculous plot device and attempts of the writers to please audiences that like love triangles. Nothing less. Funny thing is that I never saw a beastie that likes that. Does anyone actually like love triangles? And especially in this show?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 8:42:30 GMT -5
That's exactly my point, kiki09. Thank you for saying that!
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Post by DayaBEASTS4 on Feb 4, 2014 15:45:59 GMT -5
Ridiculous plot device and attempts of the writers to please audiences that like love triangles. Nothing less. Funny thing is that I never saw a beastie that likes that. Does anyone actually like love triangles? And especially in this show? In this show unnecessary!!! .
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 4, 2014 16:28:03 GMT -5
yes i agree with everyone i am tolerant but getting too much now with all the love triangles - there is not much point at all i feel vincent could have reached his realisation without having a sexual relationship with tori and i think cat being with gabe actually obstructs her from understanding who she really is but it is what it is and i am hoping the characters will survive intact
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 4, 2014 16:29:40 GMT -5
just to clarify from a character perspective and i can understand why vincent was with toir and why catherine is jumping onto gabe but the writers really did not need to go there with them two
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Feb 4, 2014 17:06:04 GMT -5
Ridiculous plot device and attempts of the writers to please audiences that like love triangles. Nothing less. Funny thing is that I never saw a beastie that likes that. Does anyone actually like love triangles? And especially in this show? No. I don't know. Don't think so.
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Feb 4, 2014 17:14:38 GMT -5
For me Catherine saying that she wants to be with Gabe was just the natural next step in the love triangle snafu that seems to have overtaken season two. It is a plot device and a manipulation in order to push the jealousy thing with Vincent, which will force him to confront his feelings for Catherine. So much for character growth and them coming together as individuals who "know who they are" - plus Gabe is a warm body to fall on after Catherine watched Vincent lose Tori. The way that Catherine stood in the background while that whole drama unfolded was purposeful, the love triangle illuminated, as Vincent loses his she-beast lover, Catherine watching from the background. I know my viewpoint on this differs from others, and that he had already supposedly turned away from Tori, but what i saw in that scene was regret from Vincent, and that he did indeed genuinely care for Tori - as more than a friend. He wanted to make things right with her, but it was already too late. Catherine bearing witness to this propels her forward into the arms of another. It's not creative or imaginative or anything else that I have no longer come to expect from the writers but there it is. Dirty dirty business this S2 of BATB. At least when Catherine sleeps with Gabe we will have come full circle. It's like a teen melodrama with 30-somethings. Very messy.
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Feb 4, 2014 18:33:17 GMT -5
I failed to see any relevance to the Tori arc other than a sloppy device by the writers to introduce angst. Even if they did use her for angst they could have found ways of showing the conflict V had with his beast side when he was with Tori without the relationship and sex. (And let us not confuse sex with true intimacy). I would never make a writer but even using her influence over his decision to kill or not to kill Agent Reynolds could have been played up as part of the beast vs human conflict. Yes they could have shown something of that primal connection but shown him fighting it. B Kern in an interview over the summer said V would constantly be aware of Cat when he was trying to fight T's influence. But did we ever see that? Sorry they lied. Oops got so carried away I digressed sorry beasties. Anyway what I meant to say was that now it is Cat's turn to be pulled away from V by a "love" (word used very loosely) interest also bynthw writers using Gabe as a sloppy tool to show Cat's desire to find someone "normal" to be with. Because of this sloppy writing there does not appear to me to be a really established and reasonable explanation for her actions. She seems lost and confused and conflicted as if she doesn't really know which way to turn and maybe turning to Gabe seems the most uncomplicated route. She can cling on to the one constant in her life - Gabe has been there and unchageable since beginning of season 2 in her mind anyway. I find Cat's character wishy washy, contradictory and sometimes shallow this season. It certainly is vastly different from the strong, independent woman of integrity in season 1 Sorry for my essay just got carried away
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Post by Windflwr on Feb 4, 2014 19:31:59 GMT -5
Not getting it at all. I put an idea out in the Recipe for Disaster thread that maybe a positive thing we who are frustrated could do is tweet the writers about things we'd LIKE to see rather than tweeting them negative stuff about what we don't like. Could have a positive effect if enough people do it. On the other hand, I was just told by someone in the BatB Facebook group I'm part of that she didn't think it was our place to tell the writers what to do. That wasn't what I suggested, but seriously? I think they are on Twitter to get feedback. I'm sure they prefer positive feedback, but telling them things we LIKE seems positive to me. What do you all think?
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Feb 4, 2014 19:57:57 GMT -5
Yes positivity is a good thing and hopefully it is more likely to make people take notice of your comments. As to the facebook poster - well dear fan I see no problem in putting forward constructive criticism. After all do the writers not create stories/t.v shows aimed at and for a specific audience? They have to otherwise how are you going to sell a show to a prospective buyer if you have now idea how and to.whom it is going to appeal. So if you want to maintain the viewer numbers and support look at what they want
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Post by Vincent Keller on Feb 4, 2014 22:00:12 GMT -5
I think Cat likes to be in control. And I think she wants to feel that not everything in her life is laid out for her - that not everything is wrapped up in her parents and their lies and the "beasts". Vincent is a part of that and I think she is trying to take hold of something that isn't all that beast stuff. I think she is grasping at straws, but I think that's where she's coming from. I could be wrong!
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Post by kiki09 on Feb 4, 2014 23:00:11 GMT -5
I think Cat likes to be in control. And I think she wants to feel that not everything in her life is laid out for her - that not everything is wrapped up in her parents and their lies and the "beasts". Vincent is a part of that and I think she is trying to take hold of something that isn't all that beast stuff. I think she is grasping at straws, but I think that's where she's coming from. I could be wrong! Oooh. That's a very interesting point.
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