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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 4, 2014 23:01:08 GMT -5
Why do breakups hurt so much, even when the relationship is no longer good? A breakup is painful because it represents the loss, not just of the relationship, but also of shared dreams and commitments. Romantic relationships begin on a high note of excitement and hope for the future. When these relationships fail, we experience profound disappointment, stress, and grief.
A breakup launches us into uncharted territory. Everything is disrupted: your routine and responsibilities, your home, your relationships with extended family and friends, and even your identity. A breakup brings uncertainty about the future. What will life be like without your partner? Will you find someone else? Will you end up alone?
For Catherine trying to recover from the break up is difficult. She has to deal with Vincent first in Ancestors against him and now together to solve the connection between her ancestor and beasts. So it is hard for her to move on. It’s normal for her to feel sad, angry, exhausted, frustrated, and confused and these feelings can be intense.Sharing your feelings with friends and family can help. But in Catherine's case instead of seeking her 'friends' she wants a relationship with one of them. This is so wrong in many levels. She hasn't given herself time to rethink and evaluate her goals. She could have easily stuck around with Tess..Gotten back into her work(she's a cop and a good one) She could have easily detracted herself in other ways. I personally don't think that Catherine truly knows what she wants. I think she's forcing herself not to feel or think about what she really wants. Vincent as far as we know 'had been the longest relationship' she's had. No matter how much she says she is over it I don't see it. That she wants to get over it and move on I believe. But that is a ways to go. IMO
The idea of her finding her ancestors connection to beasts is the same reason why Vincent continues perusing the answer.. TO BE CLOSE to her. Same here with her BUT she doesn't know it yet. She's using the mythology aspect to connect with Vincent.
Gabe is just a normal guy to her. One who has been there to support her in anyway he could (be it for what ever agenda he has) but he has been there more then Vincent.
As for Til Death Much more then meets the eye...Although don't watch that promo too much your eyes may bleed out! Just kidding!
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Feb 5, 2014 2:08:07 GMT -5
What bugs me though is just how easy Cat has forgot what Gabe was and what he did and I don't care how much he reckons that he has changed and just wants to make things right with her but he also said he wanted to help Vincent to but so far I've not seen him help him at all and yes I too think that Catherine see's Gabe as a stable choice with no beast dilema or drama to deal with like she had with Vincent but nobody made her stop with Vincent she chose to. Do I think the writer's needed to be so negative with her no and then give her a speach to say to Gabe how much she needs to find herself and that she's a independant woman and the week after low and behold she's jumping into Gabe's arms and on him the sofa clip was just  . Also agree that it does no harm top let writer's of a show what you would like to see it's not you telling them their job although to be honest some of us and the writer's of fan fiction could do a better job at the moment but it is true that they need to know what audiences like and don't like with a show other wise if they keep ignoring that aspect people will stop watching the show and then for me they have failed in their job constructive critism if done right can be a good thing, nobody is right all the time and it doesn't always hurt to let them know but not in a attack manner it's like having a debate both sides put their views and thoughts and that's what we could do with the writer's. I personally don't like Twitter one becuase some people are to quick to attack other people becuase they don't like their point of view and that's wrong everyone is entitled to their view about things and it would be a boring world if we all thought and felt the same way about things. Sorry got off track a bit but for me Catherine is just in denial like it's been said and I think until Gabe leaves just like Tori did that she isn't going to be seeing or feeling straight which I guess is what the writer's plan was all along I felt all along that they were going to show us or have us think that Beast/Beast and Human/Human was the better choice for both of them but I'm tired of it now and would love to see more JT and Vincent time and yes even Vincent and Catherine working together even more but while Gabe is there and Catherine is all mooned eyed over him I can't see that happening becuase anything Vincent tell's her about him she's not going to beleive him becuase of the way the writer's have made him saint Gabe  |
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Post by bookworm on Feb 5, 2014 2:24:26 GMT -5
Why did Catherine say she wanted to be with Gabe?
My answer is seeing Vincent in the newspapers with his girlfriend for weeks, witnessing him have "relatonship " issues with T and seeing him break down at T's death -------- all this makes Catherine think V has moved on from her emotionally.
She doesn't think he still loves her. She knows that he cares but she probably lost hope that his feelings for her are back or still there.
It's clear to me she doesn't really want to be with Gabe but she thinks at this point it's better to be with him than without Vincent.....
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 5, 2014 2:25:05 GMT -5
Why do breakups hurt so much, even when the relationship is no longer good? A breakup is painful because it represents the loss, not just of the relationship, but also of shared dreams and commitments. Romantic relationships begin on a high note of excitement and hope for the future. When these relationships fail, we experience profound disappointment, stress, and grief. A breakup launches us into uncharted territory. Everything is disrupted: your routine and responsibilities, your home, your relationships with extended family and friends, and even your identity. A breakup brings uncertainty about the future. What will life be like without your partner? Will you find someone else? Will you end up alone?For Catherine trying to recover from the break up is difficult. She has to deal with Vincent first in Ancestors against him and now together to solve the connection between her ancestor and beasts. So it is hard for her to move on. It’s normal for her to feel sad, angry, exhausted, frustrated, and confused and these feelings can be intense.Sharing your feelings with friends and family can help. But in Catherine's case instead of seeking her 'friends' she wants a relationship with one of them. This is so wrong in many levels. She hasn't given herself time to rethink and evaluate her goals. She could have easily stuck around with Tess..Gotten back into her work(she's a cop and a good one) She could have easily detracted herself in other ways. I personally don't think that Catherine truly knows what she wants. I think she's forcing herself not to feel or think about what she really wants. Vincent as far as we know 'had been the longest relationship' she's had. No matter how much she says she is over it I don't see it. That she wants to get over it and move on I believe. But that is a ways to go. IMO The idea of her finding her ancestors connection to beasts is the same reason why Vincent continues perusing the answer.. TO BE CLOSE to her. Same here with her BUT she doesn't know it yet. She's using the mythology aspect to connect with Vincent. Gabe is just a normal guy to her. One who has been there to support her in anyway he could (be it for what ever agenda he has) but he has been there more then Vincent. As for Recipe For Disaster Much more then meets the eye...Although don't watch that promo too much your eyes may bleed out! Just kidding! completely agree with all that u said!! btw you mean the trailer for till death right? the problem i am having now is the fact that we were told they are breaking up to discover themselves and then get back together in better terms this individual discovery cannot happen for catherine. why? in 13 she is with Gabe, in 15 she is with vincent. in 14 she may still be with gabe or moving towards being with vincent, there is no time left for her to be alone and discover herself, realise what she wants from life at the moment she is a broken character, unsure of what she wants and needs in life- she will obviously realise that all she wants is vincent and they are connected in more than one way (which is fine to some extent), but is that all she will discover? she already knew she wanted to be with vincent in season 1, by the end of it - though she was very confused about the kind of life tha tshe wanted. maybe the air is cleared in that respect this season...but still... |
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 5, 2014 2:28:31 GMT -5
I think Cat likes to be in control. And I think she wants to feel that not everything in her life is laid out for her - that not everything is wrapped up in her parents and their lies and the "beasts". Vincent is a part of that and I think she is trying to take hold of something that isn't all that beast stuff. I think she is grasping at straws, but I think that's where she's coming from. I could be wrong! good point - had not crossed my mind |
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 5, 2014 2:30:06 GMT -5
Why do breakups hurt so much, even when the relationship is no longer good? A breakup is painful because it represents the loss, not just of the relationship, but also of shared dreams and commitments. Romantic relationships begin on a high note of excitement and hope for the future. When these relationships fail, we experience profound disappointment, stress, and grief. A breakup launches us into uncharted territory. Everything is disrupted: your routine and responsibilities, your home, your relationships with extended family and friends, and even your identity. A breakup brings uncertainty about the future. What will life be like without your partner? Will you find someone else? Will you end up alone?For Catherine trying to recover from the break up is difficult. She has to deal with Vincent first in Ancestors against him and now together to solve the connection between her ancestor and beasts. So it is hard for her to move on. It’s normal for her to feel sad, angry, exhausted, frustrated, and confused and these feelings can be intense.Sharing your feelings with friends and family can help. But in Catherine's case instead of seeking her 'friends' she wants a relationship with one of them. This is so wrong in many levels. She hasn't given herself time to rethink and evaluate her goals. She could have easily stuck around with Tess..Gotten back into her work(she's a cop and a good one) She could have easily detracted herself in other ways. I personally don't think that Catherine truly knows what she wants. I think she's forcing herself not to feel or think about what she really wants. Vincent as far as we know 'had been the longest relationship' she's had. No matter how much she says she is over it I don't see it. That she wants to get over it and move on I believe. But that is a ways to go. IMO The idea of her finding her ancestors connection to beasts is the same reason why Vincent continues perusing the answer.. TO BE CLOSE to her. Same here with her BUT she doesn't know it yet. She's using the mythology aspect to connect with Vincent. Gabe is just a normal guy to her. One who has been there to support her in anyway he could (be it for what ever agenda he has) but he has been there more then Vincent. As for Til Death Much more then meets the eye...Although don't watch that promo too much your eyes may bleed out! Just kidding! completely agree with all that u said!! btw you mean the trailer for till death right? the problem i am having now is the fact that we were told they are breaking up to discover themselves and then get back together in better terms this individual discovery cannot happen for catherine. why? in 13 she is with Gabe, in 15 she is with vincent. in 14 she may still be with gabe or moving towards being with vincent, there is no time left for her to be alone and discover herself, realise what she wants from life at the moment she is a broken character, unsure of what she wants and needs in life- she will obviously realise that all she wants is vincent and they are connected in more than one way (which is fine to some extent), but is that all she will discover? she already knew she wanted to be with vincent in season 1, by the end of it - though she was very confused about the kind of life tha tshe wanted. maybe the air is cleared in that respect this season...but still... Yeah Til Death lol |
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Post by Mrs Forbes Glass Half Full on Feb 5, 2014 18:07:07 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of what has been said in this thread. My problem is that Cat who is supposed to be an example of a strong,intelligent woman is coming off as a total victim. Her relationship with the love of her life goes to hell in a hand basket so she almost immediately jumps into the bed of the very man who is responsible. A few good deeds do not wipe out the bad that Gabe did less than a year ago. Has she got amnesia? Hell, if she's feeling she could have her pick of men!!! Maybe I'm old fashioned but I don't how any kind of intimate relationship with him could/should be tolerated. Have the writers run out of other characters? Can't they see how degrading it is to the character of Cat that she is even thinking of going there? Where is the Cat of season 1. I know she was 'difficult', but at least she had strong morals Ok got that off my chest LOL  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 20:23:10 GMT -5
We all feel the same, Mrs Forbes Glass Half Full! It's the same of Vincent & Tori. The only people that want to see those relationships are in the writers' room. Unfortunately, they shut themselves there and like to pretend that they're just being misjudged. Meanwhile, our ratings are the worst of the entire network. It's almost laughable. |
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Post by Jubilant Judi on Feb 5, 2014 21:26:08 GMT -5
Gabe is rebound man - it never ends well
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Post by ·· K å t ·· on Feb 6, 2014 3:46:23 GMT -5
Mmm! I like this thread! and I'm clueless to how answer the question! It knocked me out too when I heard Catherine accepting Gabe and to be honest I don't have a clue why she decided to go all for it when she just said she wanted to be on her own and discover what she really wants. I don't think Cat sees Gabe as a "distraction" from V because she cares for Gabe and doesn't want to (conciously) hurt him. I think Gabe saying he was leaving the precint was key to "push" her and hurry to take a decision. Which could be Gabe's intention from the beginning. For me, the most surprising was that she decides to accept Gabe RIGHT AFTER HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH VINCENT! I mean, the guy was openly telling her he would become nuts if he lost her... but maybe in his diatribe he was also implying (again) that he couldn't have anyone around him because everyone was getting hurted because of him and he would feel devastated with guilt. Of course he's not right, but the message Catherine could receive was that he didn't want to be with her. On the other hand, I think Catherine was convinced that him and Tori were still together so, does Catherine really knows that Vincent still loves her and wants to be with her? Well, based on promo for next ep, not even Vincent is aware of that! lol! so that's another reason for catherine to move on, cause she considers Vincent is not an option (so when JT breaks the brocode and tells her that V still loves her... you know!  Finally, one thing is to become friends with V again, but Cat was also very hurted and maybe she still isn't sure if V has come fully back to his senses. Any way, no matter what, I found that decision very rushed and brainless! and it hurts seeing Cat kissing the guy and having those smiles on her face...  Why do breakups hurt so much, even when the relationship is no longer good? A breakup is painful because it represents the loss, not just of the relationship, but also of shared dreams and commitments. Romantic relationships begin on a high note of excitement and hope for the future. When these relationships fail, we experience profound disappointment, stress, and grief. A breakup launches us into uncharted territory. Everything is disrupted: your routine and responsibilities, your home, your relationships with extended family and friends, and even your identity. A breakup brings uncertainty about the future. What will life be like without your partner? Will you find someone else? Will you end up alone?For Catherine trying to recover from the break up is difficult. She has to deal with Vincent first in Ancestors against him and now together to solve the connection between her ancestor and beasts. So it is hard for her to move on. It’s normal for her to feel sad, angry, exhausted, frustrated, and confused and these feelings can be intense.Sharing your feelings with friends and family can help. But in Catherine's case instead of seeking her 'friends' she wants a relationship with one of them. This is so wrong in many levels. She hasn't given herself time to rethink and evaluate her goals. She could have easily stuck around with Tess..Gotten back into her work(she's a cop and a good one) She could have easily detracted herself in other ways. I personally don't think that Catherine truly knows what she wants. I think she's forcing herself not to feel or think about what she really wants. Vincent as far as we know 'had been the longest relationship' she's had. No matter how much she says she is over it I don't see it. That she wants to get over it and move on I believe. But that is a ways to go. IMO The idea of her finding her ancestors connection to beasts is the same reason why Vincent continues perusing the answer.. TO BE CLOSE to her. Same here with her BUT she doesn't know it yet. She's using the mythology aspect to connect with Vincent. Gabe is just a normal guy to her. One who has been there to support her in anyway he could (be it for what ever agenda he has) but he has been there more then Vincent. As for Til Death Much more then meets the eye...Although don't watch that promo too much your eyes may bleed out! Just kidding! Right girls I agree with both of you !!!  Moreover I think that Cat don't need time for herself or want because if she takes time to think things through she KNOWS that she will end to suffer because of the end of the relationship with Vinc... she KNOWS in her deep that she still loves and wants Vinc but that she will can have him anymore (because a lot of factors you Savana said) it's all part of the Cat's deny state of mind, she's simply lying to herself consciously or not, that's all  I think that she could have talked to Tess instead to jump with Gabe but... she knows that she couln't have lied to Tess too  just to clarify from a character perspective and i can understand why vincent was with toir and why catherine is jumping onto gabe but the writers really did not need to go there with them two well... unless the writers wouldn't want make us crazy depriving us with our VinCat, force us to stay tuned to see how and when VinCat would be reunited, make us anxious to see again together VinCat, driving us crazy with desire.... at least for me it works  |
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Feb 8, 2014 1:59:16 GMT -5
When I rewatched the epi. It doesn't seem like she volunteered that she wants to be with gave. He asked her if she wanted to be alone and she answered that she wanted to be with him. I think other people n this forum are accurate when they say that Catherine wants control. Seeing where things go with g as she mentioned in the preview is a way for her to regain control. Plus between putting v in the friend zone earlier & then watching him grieve Tori I think she just wants to try to take some tome & space away from v & not be perceived as a rebound for him. We all know that they have deeper feelings for each other, so rebounds they will not be in our minds - but they are also not ready to be together. I think Catherine knows this and so rather than face it head on, she decides to take gave up on his offer. It might be denial or control but u think her choosing gabe in this episode is her way of protecting herself. She is making Vincent choose her out of his own free will. She asked him to choose her in the Alex debacle & then he chose his beast side over her twice. He might be regretting if now, but that shouldn't change her mind in this episode - maybe hopefully in future episodes. In this episode she needs to give herself a chance. I think we are reading a little too deeply into the be with u part. She certainly is not as gung ho as gabe... Mexico, really?? That's a ridiculous trip to book. How about dinner for ur first date or at least not a weekend away where u need ur passport. This is a little too stage 4 clinger for me
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2014 8:45:57 GMT -5
I have really enjoyed reading all of your ideas on this question. Your analysis, interpretation, conjecture.....are very thought provoking...but I still can't make sense of her decision. Clearly the writers all took leave of their senses, so the character had to as well. No worries, we will all outlast San Gabriel and I am certain I won't be meeting him in heaven.
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Post by ArwenFan on Feb 8, 2014 21:14:30 GMT -5
I think Cat likes to be in control. And I think she wants to feel that not everything in her life is laid out for her - that not everything is wrapped up in her parents and their lies and the "beasts". Vincent is a part of that and I think she is trying to take hold of something that isn't all that beast stuff. I think she is grasping at straws, but I think that's where she's coming from. I could be wrong! That's a thought, but Gabe was a beast when she met him so....she's not stepping away from that part of her past at all. If she wanted to do that I would think she'd look for someone totally outside her present circle. |
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Post by ArwenFan on Feb 8, 2014 21:29:55 GMT -5
I think Catherine is confusing feelings of gratitude and friendship for something stronger. She is not in love with Gabe, but she's taking bad advice from !cough!Tess!cough! and letting Gabe's announcement that he's leaving the precinct push her into making a move she's not ready for and would not make if she were truly thinking clearly.
If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with.  I think that's part of it.
How does getting involved with someone romantically equate to the right thing to do (for any reason) when it doesn't involve true romantic feelings?
Yes, Catherine is in denial about her feelings for Vincent.
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I think that she could have talked to Tess instead to jump with Gabe but... she knows that she couln't have lied to Tess too 
