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Post by Mrs Forbes Glass Half Full on Feb 13, 2014 17:40:12 GMT -5
Watched some Season 1 episodes and wondered what happened to Cat sensing when Vincent was near. I miss that. Wonder if we get that back when Vincat get back together
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Post by jaykris on Feb 13, 2014 19:54:22 GMT -5
I thought we were told v will be fighting for c? When is that happening? So far i haven't seen him do nada.
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Feb 13, 2014 20:38:32 GMT -5
I thought we were told v will be fighting for c? When is that happening? So far i haven't seen him do nada. I think we will see him fighting for her in the next episode. I think we had so see him accept that he did some things that would take him out of contention to even being worthy to fight for her. I think it was necessary is this past episode for him to put her happiness above his own. It was accepting that he made some errors. For him to have just started fighting for her without acknowledging and admitting his failures would have been very selfish and egotistical. IMO he needed to do this and be her friend. I also agree with other posters that their friendship is establishing a better foundation for moving forward. He has to fight for her, afterall it is their destiny. Im sorta getting excited to see hw he will fight for her, because I was a little disappointed in S1 when he thought that the small gestures he made after the Alex debacle would be enough for Catherine to just forgive him. But then she did so easily, so that was a little frustrating. That being said his offences this time around are a lot more serious and warrant far more redemption and sincere apologies.
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Post by MyBatB on Feb 14, 2014 4:38:44 GMT -5
I agree with that. I want to say something about Vincent: In Till death, I saw a unusual Vincent ; I mean at the beginning he was in a robe, on the couch, drinking beer and JT saying that he was here «for days !»... I think it's a little depression, the signs are there. And somehow he managed (with difficulty, see the attitudes) to go and save the day. I saw him sarcastic (for example,the comment «so much on being on my own»), suffering (running out twice on Cat, and at the church, WOW!), unhappy, and having this way of telling everyone Cat is his «friend» meanwhile his eyes tell other story. To JT, he admitted twice his feelings very quietly and with acceptance, which was very heartbreaking. I love the character in this ep because it shows a lot how this man is struggling with everything in his life ! And it doesn't bother me it takes all this turns and twists to get a Vincent in peace with himself.
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Post by ForgetMeNot => S3 4BATBeasties on Feb 14, 2014 6:23:44 GMT -5
I agree with that. I want to say something about Vincent: In Till death, I saw a unusual Vincent ; I mean at the beginning he was in a robe, on the couch, drinking beer and JT saying that he was here « for days !»... I think it's a little depression, the signs are there. And somehow he managed (with difficulty, see the attitudes) to go and save the day. I saw him sarcastic (for example,the comment « so much on being on my own»), suffering ( running out twice on Cat, and at the church, WOW!), unhappy, and having this way of telling everyone Cat is his « friend» meanwhile his eyes tell other story. To JT, he admitted twice his feelings very quietly and with acceptance, which was very heartbreaking. I love the character in this ep because it shows a lot how this man is struggling with everything in his life ! And it doesn't bother me it takes all this turns and twists to get a Vincent in peace with himself. You're absolutely right. It was the beginning of a depression. I might have underestimate the seriousness of his state because he was shown being funny and sarcastic at the same time. I think the chapel scene where we saw him literally barely able to breath, and the last scene witnessing Gaberine's kiss, show him being at the height of his suffering and pain. To do the right thing doesn't make the whole situation more bearable for him, but this is soo necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 7:42:37 GMT -5
Sorry, I understand all that you guys are saying, but I completely disagree. I don't think that running for his responsibilities and simply shutting Catherine down is doing the right thing as well as making her be with a man she doesn't love. It's not right for her and it certainly isn't right for Gabe. If he's indeed the good man the writers are trying to show us, he deserves someone that can give him his heart. As noble as it might seen, I still think Vincent took the easy route. He never apologized, never explained himself to anyone, not even to Tori and he totally lead her in. As hateful as she was, she was a victim and deserved respect. So he do need to man up, look at Cat's eyes and say I'm sorry. If he never do that, he'll never be a man. And, frankly, I'm tired of this almost-man that it's on my screen every week. The circunstances that lead him to his wrong doings were beyond his control, but it's past time for him to admit he was wrong about the things he could control. In a way, Tori's death is his fault so he should be depressed by it. To my eyes, Vincent isn't redeemed and I'm afraid that the writers aren't really interested on doing that.
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Post by bookworm on Feb 14, 2014 7:59:43 GMT -5
Sorry, I understand all that you guys are saying, but I completely disagree. I don't think that running for his responsibilities and simply shutting Catherine down is doing the right thing as well as making her be with a man she doesn't love. It's not right for her and it certainly isn't right for Gabe. If he's indeed the good man the writers are trying to show us, he deserves someone that can give him his heart. As noble as it might seen, I still think Vincent took the easy route. He never apologized, never explained himself to anyone, not even to Tori and he totally lead her in. As hateful as she was, she was a victim and deserved respect. So he do need to man up, look at Cat's eyes and say I'm sorry. If he never do that, he'll never be a man. And, frankly, I'm tired of this almost-man that it's on my screen every week. The circunstances that lead him to his wrong doings were beyond his control, but it's past time for him to admit he was wrong about the things he could control. In a way, Tori's death is his fault so he should be depressed by it. To my eyes, Vincent isn't redeemed and I'm afraid that the writers aren't really interested on doing that. Not yet. I think we all can't wait to see that in the one of the next 2 eps!! Let's see where he is in the whole process: 1. he's done a lot already: - he realized what he had done in his darkest moments. - he regrets his own decisions and feels terrible about them. He blames himself. - he knows he doesn't want to be that person anymore and wants to be a better man. - he feels because of everything he caused for Catherine and in their relationship he is not good enough for her - he thinks giving her a chance for a normal life with a better, safe person will be best for her (does this sound familiar?? yes! - you remember his good bye speech before their first kiss on the rooftop? ) 2. this will be the next phase - something will happen and maybe motivate him to rethink the "unworthy " part... and this is when he will give a big apology and may end up crying and begging.....
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Post by kiki09 on Feb 14, 2014 8:08:01 GMT -5
Sorry, I understand all that you guys are saying, but I completely disagree. I don't think that running for his responsibilities and simply shutting Catherine down is doing the right thing as well as making her be with a man she doesn't love. It's not right for her and it certainly isn't right for Gabe. If he's indeed the good man the writers are trying to show us, he deserves someone that can give him his heart. As noble as it might seen, I still think Vincent took the easy route. He never apologized, never explained himself to anyone, not even to Tori and he totally lead her in. As hateful as she was, she was a victim and deserved respect. So he do need to man up, look at Cat's eyes and say I'm sorry. If he never do that, he'll never be a man. And, frankly, I'm tired of this almost-man that it's on my screen every week. The circunstances that lead him to his wrong doings were beyond his control, but it's past time for him to admit he was wrong about the things he could control. In a way, Tori's death is his fault so he should be depressed by it. To my eyes, Vincent isn't redeemed and I'm afraid that the writers aren't really interested on doing that. How is a character not redeemed when they have on many occasions in the last few eps acknowledged (and to the people they have hurt I might add) the mistakes and wrong choices that have made? He has done that on several occasions in the past eps. Also, not only acknowledging what you have done wrong but also trying to be a better person as he is doing is a path to redemption. Secondly, one could say that he choose the 'easy choice' (maybe he'll wise up in 214) and as much as one would want him to fight for Cat (he needs to), who Cat decides to be with is not on him. That is HER choice. He decided that despite loving her, he will step aside. It can't all be on him to make Cat choose him. Just like it has been said various times in this forum with regards to him, Cat needs to make the choice. It can't be by default.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 14, 2014 8:08:37 GMT -5
Sorry, I understand all that you guys are saying, but I completely disagree. I don't think that running for his responsibilities and simply shutting Catherine down is doing the right thing as well as making her be with a man she doesn't love. It's not right for her and it certainly isn't right for Gabe. If he's indeed the good man the writers are trying to show us, he deserves someone that can give him his heart. As noble as it might seen, I still think Vincent took the easy route. He never apologized, never explained himself to anyone, not even to Tori and he totally lead her in. As hateful as she was, she was a victim and deserved respect. So he do need to man up, look at Cat's eyes and say I'm sorry. If he never do that, he'll never be a man. And, frankly, I'm tired of this almost-man that it's on my screen every week. The circunstances that lead him to his wrong doings were beyond his control, but it's past time for him to admit he was wrong about the things he could control. In a way, Tori's death is his fault so he should be depressed by it. To my eyes, Vincent isn't redeemed and I'm afraid that the writers aren't really interested on doing that. i disagree with your points above regarding vincent. Yes, Vincent did not apologise directly to Catherine, he did not use the word "sorry". But he did say in front of catherine on many occasions that he was to blame and that he made the wrong choice. Usually u use the word sorry because u want the other person to forgive u and take u back and i dont think vincent wants that at this stage. catherine has thrown some sharp remarks to him regarding him and their relationships and he has fully owned up to his mistakes and responsibility for things that happened and has not put any blame on catherine for absolutely anything, which he could have done. he has deeply regretted his actions but does not want to be back with catherine because he feels he is not good for her. and hence he walked away and let her be with somebody who he feels is more worthy. his self esteem is so low that he does not realise gabe is not good enough. and he thinks that if he does walk away, then catherine will fall in love with gabe and he only wants the best for her. he may not be able to stay away from catherine cause he is so in love but the fact that he is doing what he thinks is the right thing is indeed very noble for him an dmore important than him just saying sorry. him not saying sorry is not due to him not being a man, he does not say sorry not cause he is too stubborn or embarrassed or because he does not admit to his miastkes but for the reasons mentioned above. and i think this was clear in the past two episodes, very clear
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 14, 2014 8:09:57 GMT -5
Sorry, I understand all that you guys are saying, but I completely disagree. I don't think that running for his responsibilities and simply shutting Catherine down is doing the right thing as well as making her be with a man she doesn't love. It's not right for her and it certainly isn't right for Gabe. If he's indeed the good man the writers are trying to show us, he deserves someone that can give him his heart. As noble as it might seen, I still think Vincent took the easy route. He never apologized, never explained himself to anyone, not even to Tori and he totally lead her in. As hateful as she was, she was a victim and deserved respect. So he do need to man up, look at Cat's eyes and say I'm sorry. If he never do that, he'll never be a man. And, frankly, I'm tired of this almost-man that it's on my screen every week. The circunstances that lead him to his wrong doings were beyond his control, but it's past time for him to admit he was wrong about the things he could control. In a way, Tori's death is his fault so he should be depressed by it. To my eyes, Vincent isn't redeemed and I'm afraid that the writers aren't really interested on doing that. How is a character not redeemed when they have on many occasions in the last few eps acknowledged (and to the people they have hurt I might add) the mistakes and wrong choices that have made? He has done that on several occasions in the past eps. Also, not only acknowledging what you have done wrong but also trying to be a better person as he is doing is a path to redemption. Secondly, one could say that he choose the 'easy choice' (maybe he'll wise up in 214) and as much as one would want him to fight for Cat (he needs to), who Cat decides to be with is not on him. That is HER choice. He decided that despite loving her, he will step aside. It can't all be on him to make Cat choose him. Just like it has been said various times in this forum with regards to him, Cat needs to make the choice. It can't be by default. agree, i think we posted at the same time, i am making similar points
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Feb 14, 2014 8:58:17 GMT -5
Sorry, I understand all that you guys are saying, but I completely disagree. I don't think that running for his responsibilities and simply shutting Catherine down is doing the right thing as well as making her be with a man she doesn't love. It's not right for her and it certainly isn't right for Gabe. If he's indeed the good man the writers are trying to show us, he deserves someone that can give him his heart. As noble as it might seen, I still think Vincent took the easy route. He never apologized, never explained himself to anyone, not even to Tori and he totally lead her in. As hateful as she was, she was a victim and deserved respect. So he do need to man up, look at Cat's eyes and say I'm sorry. If he never do that, he'll never be a man. And, frankly, I'm tired of this almost-man that it's on my screen every week. The circunstances that lead him to his wrong doings were beyond his control, but it's past time for him to admit he was wrong about the things he could control. In a way, Tori's death is his fault so he should be depressed by it. To my eyes, Vincent isn't redeemed and I'm afraid that the writers aren't really interested on doing that. I have to disagree with you. Don't think Vincent took the easy route last ep. Actually, I think he's more mature now than ever. Despite his feelings, he RESPECTED Catherine's decision to be with Gabe. True that he was defending too much Gabe, but I think that came out of his guilt and from the fact that he wants to see Catherine happy and he truly thinks that Gabe is worthier than him in that role. I don't think Tori was Vincent's victim AT ALL. She was very concious of where and with who was she getting involved. She knew Vincent had feelings for Catherine all the way (from the beginning and until the end), Vincent never lied to her about having feelings or wanting a relationship with her further than the one they had. And i don't think that Tori's death is HIS fault! Did he push her to go find JT by her own? She was over confident and in that moment, desperate to recover him. Maybe Tori's reasons to go save JT were Vincent related but from that to think that it was Vincent fault? In last episode he admitted his wrongs, already apologized with Catherine in previous episodes, and THINKS that Catherine has moved on and has no feelings for him anymore. IMO, in ep 13 he was more man than in other moments of the show. He respected Catherine's decisions and tried to help her every time she asked him for it. On the other hand, we can't expect his evolution to happen in 1 single episode. He's evolving since mid-end of ep 12 and through 13. As for character development, so far, I've seen more in Vincent's than Catherine's.
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Post by kiki09 on Feb 14, 2014 9:00:31 GMT -5
Sorry, I understand all that you guys are saying, but I completely disagree. I don't think that running for his responsibilities and simply shutting Catherine down is doing the right thing as well as making her be with a man she doesn't love. It's not right for her and it certainly isn't right for Gabe. If he's indeed the good man the writers are trying to show us, he deserves someone that can give him his heart. As noble as it might seen, I still think Vincent took the easy route. He never apologized, never explained himself to anyone, not even to Tori and he totally lead her in. As hateful as she was, she was a victim and deserved respect. So he do need to man up, look at Cat's eyes and say I'm sorry. If he never do that, he'll never be a man. And, frankly, I'm tired of this almost-man that it's on my screen every week. The circunstances that lead him to his wrong doings were beyond his control, but it's past time for him to admit he was wrong about the things he could control. In a way, Tori's death is his fault so he should be depressed by it. To my eyes, Vincent isn't redeemed and I'm afraid that the writers aren't really interested on doing that. I have to disagree with you. Don't think Vincent took the easy route last ep. Actually, I think he's more mature now than ever. Despite his feelings, he RESPECTED Catherine's decision to be with Gabe. True that he was defending too much Gabe, but I think that came out of his guilt and from the fact that he wants to see Catherine happy and he truly thinks that Gabe is worthier than him in that role. I don't think Tori was Vincent's victim AT ALL. She was very concious of where and with who was she getting involved. She knew Vincent had feelings for Catherine all the way (from the beginning and until the end), Vincent never lied to her about having feelings or wanting a relationship with her further than the one they had. And i don't think that Tori's death is HIS fault! Did he push her to go find JT by her own? She was over confident and in that moment, desperate to recover him. Maybe Tori's reasons to go save JT were Vincent related but from that to think that it was Vincent fault? In last episode he admitted his wrongs, already apologized with Catherine in previous episodes, and THINKS that Catherine has moved on and has no feelings for him anymore. IMO, in ep 13 he was more man than in other moments of the show. He respected Catherine's decisions and tried to help her every time she asked him for it. On the other hand, we can't expect his evolution to happen in 1 single episode. He's evolving since mid-end of ep 12 and through 13. As for character development, so far, I've seen more in Vincent's than Catherine's. You've raised some interesting points here. I totally agree.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Feb 14, 2014 9:00:57 GMT -5
How is a character not redeemed when they have on many occasions in the last few eps acknowledged (and to the people they have hurt I might add) the mistakes and wrong choices that have made? He has done that on several occasions in the past eps. Also, not only acknowledging what you have done wrong but also trying to be a better person as he is doing is a path to redemption. Secondly, one could say that he choose the 'easy choice' (maybe he'll wise up in 214) and as much as one would want him to fight for Cat (he needs to), who Cat decides to be with is not on him. That is HER choice. He decided that despite loving her, he will step aside. It can't all be on him to make Cat choose him. Just like it has been said various times in this forum with regards to him, Cat needs to make the choice. It can't be by default. agree, i think we posted at the same time, i am making similar points Yeah, and then I posted mine without reading both of yours! hehehe! GMTA!!
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Post by kleighkat on Feb 14, 2014 9:04:18 GMT -5
Sorry, I understand all that you guys are saying, but I completely disagree. I don't think that running for his responsibilities and simply shutting Catherine down is doing the right thing as well as making her be with a man she doesn't love. It's not right for her and it certainly isn't right for Gabe. If he's indeed the good man the writers are trying to show us, he deserves someone that can give him his heart. As noble as it might seen, I still think Vincent took the easy route. He never apologized, never explained himself to anyone, not even to Tori and he totally lead her in. As hateful as she was, she was a victim and deserved respect. So he do need to man up, look at Cat's eyes and say I'm sorry. If he never do that, he'll never be a man. And, frankly, I'm tired of this almost-man that it's on my screen every week. The circunstances that lead him to his wrong doings were beyond his control, but it's past time for him to admit he was wrong about the things he could control. In a way, Tori's death is his fault so he should be depressed by it. To my eyes, Vincent isn't redeemed and I'm afraid that the writers aren't really interested on doing that. I have to disagree with you. Don't think Vincent took the easy route last ep. Actually, I think he's more mature now than ever. Despite his feelings, he RESPECTED Catherine's decision to be with Gabe. True that he was defending too much Gabe, but I think that came out of his guilt and from the fact that he wants to see Catherine happy and he truly thinks that Gabe is worthier than him in that role. I don't think Tori was Vincent's victim AT ALL. She was very concious of where and with who was she getting involved. She knew Vincent had feelings for Catherine all the way (from the beginning and until the end), Vincent never lied to her about having feelings or wanting a relationship with her further than the one they had. And i don't think that Tori's death is HIS fault! Did he push her to go find JT by her own? She was over confident and in that moment, desperate to recover him. Maybe Tori's reasons to go save JT were Vincent related but from that to think that it was Vincent fault? In last episode he admitted his wrongs, already apologized with Catherine in previous episodes, and THINKS that Catherine has moved on and has no feelings for him anymore. IMO, in ep 13 he was more man than in other moments of the show. He respected Catherine's decisions and tried to help her every time she asked him for it. On the other hand, we can't expect his evolution to happen in 1 single episode. He's evolving since mid-end of ep 12 and through 13. As for character development, so far, I've seen more in Vincent's than Catherine's. You literally took the words right out of my mouth
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Post by MyBatB on Feb 14, 2014 9:47:58 GMT -5
Sorry, I understand all that you guys are saying, but I completely disagree. I don't think that running for his responsibilities and simply shutting Catherine down is doing the right thing as well as making her be with a man she doesn't love. It's not right for her and it certainly isn't right for Gabe. If he's indeed the good man the writers are trying to show us, he deserves someone that can give him his heart. As noble as it might seen, I still think Vincent took the easy route. He never apologized, never explained himself to anyone, not even to Tori and he totally lead her in. As hateful as she was, she was a victim and deserved respect. So he do need to man up, look at Cat's eyes and say I'm sorry. If he never do that, he'll never be a man. And, frankly, I'm tired of this almost-man that it's on my screen every week. The circunstances that lead him to his wrong doings were beyond his control, but it's past time for him to admit he was wrong about the things he could control. In a way, Tori's death is his fault so he should be depressed by it. To my eyes, Vincent isn't redeemed and I'm afraid that the writers aren't really interested on doing that. I have to disagree with you. Don't think Vincent took the easy route last ep. Actually, I think he's more mature now than ever. Despite his feelings, he RESPECTED Catherine's decision to be with Gabe. True that he was defending too much Gabe, but I think that came out of his guilt and from the fact that he wants to see Catherine happy and he truly thinks that Gabe is worthier than him in that role. I don't think Tori was Vincent's victim AT ALL. She was very concious of where and with who was she getting involved. She knew Vincent had feelings for Catherine all the way (from the beginning and until the end), Vincent never lied to her about having feelings or wanting a relationship with her further than the one they had. And i don't think that Tori's death is HIS fault! Did he push her to go find JT by her own? She was over confident and in that moment, desperate to recover him. Maybe Tori's reasons to go save JT were Vincent related but from that to think that it was Vincent fault? In last episode he admitted his wrongs, already apologized with Catherine in previous episodes, and THINKS that Catherine has moved on and has no feelings for him anymore. IMO, in ep 13 he was more man than in other moments of the show. He respected Catherine's decisions and tried to help her every time she asked him for it. On the other hand, we can't expect his evolution to happen in 1 single episode. He's evolving since mid-end of ep 12 and through 13. As for character development, so far, I've seen more in Vincent's than Catherine's. Totally true ! I am thinking the same thing too !
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