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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jan 4, 2014 3:03:33 GMT -5
Wait a second.... so if I don't HATE season 2, last 2 episodes, Tori, Brad Kern, the writters and all those things you both do hate I'm a lier??! I may not like V kissing Tori, I could prefer another ways to enhance V's beast side and keep VinCat separate, I definetely prefer to "enjoy" the lovey dovey of VinCat and many small details from s1 but I also see great improvements in s2, understand where writters wanted to bring the story (with more or less success), try to watch the show with an open mind (even when it hurts) and the same way you can't help feeling horrible and disappointed with season 2 I DON'T feel the same way. Why your way of feeling and seeing s2 is more valid than mine? Why seeing things in a more positive way implies being a lier?? I won't even comment that I, as one of those "others" who don't see things like you do, could feel offended by being called "lier" by 2 members of our fandom. I try to respect your opinions although I may not agree with them. Why can't you just do the same without implying that we are hypocritical and liers just because we don't share your POV? You accused yourself of being a lier. I didn't do that. Sorry. LOL! I KNEW u would reply exactly that. So easy...
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jan 4, 2014 3:27:21 GMT -5
I read it yesterday that. It's kind of bomb that give us with no explanation and more question!!! No it confirms what Lilith said indirectly 'THEY KISS' But WHY it confirms the kiss? That sentence you bolded refers to the winter finale and the way it ends. Not how ep 9 ends. Well, at least, when I read that reply from Matt what I understood is that Vincent is so busy trying to save his life bla bla bla that he hasn't realized the "thread" of his potential rival. Matt states that by the way ep 8 ended (Cat and Gabe hugging, Cat shooting Vincent...) obviously Cat and Gabe will grow closer (who knows wth means that) and Vincent will finally realize that..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 3:49:32 GMT -5
That sentence you bolded refers to the winter finale and the way it ends. Not how ep 9 ends. The article actually states how the winter premiere ends so episode 9
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jan 4, 2014 3:59:32 GMT -5
That sentence you bolded refers to the winter finale and the way it ends. Not how ep 9 ends. The article actually states how the winter premiere ends so episode 9 Lol! I read that sentence 10x and always read finale!!! Lol!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 4:37:32 GMT -5
The article actually states how the winter premiere ends so episode 9 Lol! I read that sentence 10x and always read finale!!! Lol! It took me a few times reading that article to realise it said 'premiere' and not 'finale'
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Post by Beastly Beauty on Jan 4, 2014 6:02:23 GMT -5
You accused yourself of being a lier. I didn't do that. Sorry. LOL! I KNEW u would reply exactly that. So easy... I'm confused. You wanted me to be accusing you of being a liar? Sorry to disappoint, but I was telling the true, I didn't do that I wasn't even talking about people here, I was talking about people I see in other medias that, yes, are lying. They go all "oh, I'm loving S2, it's awesome, I'm supporting it 100% and "true beasties" should love it" then they go all "I hope they give us the old Vincent soon". Call me simplistic, but if you're supporting S2 100%, you would support V2.0, as @clena does. That's just one example of what I call lies. I don't remember seeing you doing something like this, therefore, I have no reason to believe that you're one of those so-called "true beasties". As SpydancerLovesVincat said, I'm not pointing fingers (you were the one that did it for your own reasons), but I've been confronted by the "true beasties" a couple of times and I must say that one of the things people say about unsatisfied beasties like me is that we're destroying the show's chances by being rude, a thing I don't remember doing, specially personally offend people, and I had to endure personal offenses from "true beasties".
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 4, 2014 6:37:29 GMT -5
LOL! I KNEW u would reply exactly that. So easy... I'm confused. You wanted me to be accusing you of being a liar? Sorry to disappoint, but I was telling the true, I didn't do that I wasn't even talking about people here, I was talking about people I see in other medias that, yes, are lying. They go all "oh, I'm loving S2, it's awesome, I'm supporting it 100% and "true beasties" should love it" then they go all "I hope they give us the old Vincent soon". Call me simplistic, but if you're supporting S2 100%, you would support V2.0, as @clena does. That's just one example of what I call lies. I don't remember seeing you doing something like this, therefore, I have no reason to believe that you're one of those so-called "true beasties". As SpydancerLovesVincat said, I'm not pointing fingers (you were the one that did it for your own reasons), but I've been confronted by the "true beasties" a couple of times and I must say that one of the things people say about unsatisfied beasties like me is that we're destroying the show's chances by being rude, a thing I don't remember doing, specially personally offend people, and I had to endure personal offenses from "true beasties". see that is the thing i do not interact with too many beasties on twitter or other places. I use twitter for trending and competitions and publishing polls and asking questions to people like Lilith and Catherine Ashton so I have not experienced much of what u are talking about though I know of people who have .my view is that u should always be allowed to have an opinion and comfortably talk about it rather than be made to feel you cannot articulate your opinion. I am not comfortable with people forcing others to like the show or for people to be made to feel guilty for disliking the direction of the show and vice versa. however, what i dont necessarily appreciate is overgeneralised comments, I find these a bit disrespectful For example: "I love the show, it is great" is different from "All beasties love the show it is amazing and if you don't shame on you" similarly "I really dont enjoy the show this season" is different from "All fans hate the show, admit it guys" or "the writers or kern have completely ruined the show, everyone thinks that". These are the type of generalised comments that tick me off a bit. Also, regarding the lack of consistency you are talking about I think that should be allowed too. people may like the show this year and may think it has improved in different ways but dislike some other aspects of it. people may also change their mind. everyone can do whatever they want IMO as long as they do not try to impose their views on others or overgeneralise and speak on behalf of everyone. people who like the old vincent back or who did not like the kiss may still declare their love for season 2, i dont see why not! finally, we all see things from different points of view - if the kiss/es is such an important thing for people their whole perspective on the show may change. what is acceptable to one person is not acceptable to another. also peoples perspectives change- I personally understand at this stage both vincent's and cat's points of view. I was frustrated in episodes 5 and 6 cause i was not sure where the show was going exactly but then watching 7 made it really clear for me. maybe things change when i watch 9 or 10 or 17. who knows!
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jan 4, 2014 7:14:21 GMT -5
LOL! I KNEW u would reply exactly that. So easy... I'm confused. You wanted me to be accusing you of being a liar? Sorry to disappoint, but I was telling the true, I didn't do that I wasn't even talking about people here, I was talking about people I see in other medias that, yes, are lying. They go all "oh, I'm loving S2, it's awesome, I'm supporting it 100% and "true beasties" should love it" then they go all "I hope they give us the old Vincent soon". Call me simplistic, but if you're supporting S2 100%, you would support V2.0, as @clena does. That's just one example of what I call lies. I don't remember seeing you doing something like this, therefore, I have no reason to believe that you're one of those so-called "true beasties". As SpydancerLovesVincat said, I'm not pointing fingers (you were the one that did it for your own reasons), but I've been confronted by the "true beasties" a couple of times and I must say that one of the things people say about unsatisfied beasties like me is that we're destroying the show's chances by being rude, a thing I don't remember doing, specially personally offend people, and I had to endure personal offenses from "true beasties". We are all fans who have different point of views and like or dislike s2 in one or other level. Not liking everything happening this season doesn't imply I'm not supporting the show. Yes I have read ppl in twitter supporting unconditionally and liking all happening in s2, but noone from this forum and the comment was posted here, as a reply to spydancer who was talking about people around here. Finally maybe those in twitter who are so positive REALLY feel like that so they are not lying. Everyone has different taste about shows. To be honest I'm tired and sad of this "discussions" with people with who I should share love and passion for the show. I replied your post cause, yes, as one of those who support the show despite I don't agree w everythng happening, I felt accused of being a liar. Maybe as Julz said, I misunderstood your post. Fortunately everyone is free to have an opinion of every other in this forum but there are some limits that shouldn't be crossed and I have never done that (or don't recall, correct me if I'm wrong). Entering in personal qualifications is not my idea of participating in a forum like this but maybe I'm wrong cause this is the first forum i ever participated.
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jan 4, 2014 9:00:49 GMT -5
I think there is a misunderstanding here. My impression of SpydancerLovesVincat's comments were that sometimes people put a "smiley face" on something that is bad, just to make it into a positive. I can see that and understand it. Please correct me if I'm wrong spydancer . . . Beastly Beauty mentioned being true hiding behind lies. My impression of the "lies" part was this - it really isn't truth if you do what spydancer mentioned before - saying everything is great when it isn't. Just stay true to what you like or don't. I think a lot of this has been going around on Twitter especially. People are overflowing with praise for everything BATB, just to "suck up to" those who work on the show and are on social media. Those who do that are just trying to get into the good graces of the show's "higher ups" to get noticed on Twitter or whatever, and to boost their egos, like - "Oh wow! I just love everything you do with BATB! It is sooooo awesome! Please notice me and my great comments by retweeting what I say!" Blah blah blah. They will say this even when it obviously SUCKS. First, that does no one any good. Don't puff up their egos if it is disingenuous, because then they don't know the real truth and adjust accordingly. It makes them think they are doing an awesome job when they aren't and when they need to change direction. Second, truth usually results in constructive criticism. Even this good kind of criticism is hard to take and swallow if you are on the receiving end. But in the end, it makes you better at your job and improves performance. You end up making better decisions in the future. As for the "true beasties" part - all I can say is that I was on the receiving end of that criticism after the Reunion "Gabriella" scene. I didn't like it and I said so and my reasons for thinking that. It was said that being so negative wasn't the way "true beasties" were. Just sayin' . . . been there. Didn't like it. Anyway . . . Wow, ok, that was a long rabbit trail (as opposed to holes here!) to simply say - I think that there was a misunderstanding here . . . Hugs all around?!?!? Thanks Julz for clarifying ............I read and reread the posts and I was a bit confused about some of the comments. I think there are few schools of thought around here: 1. Those who care about the show but do not like how the "main" plot is developing......the fracture of the VinCat relationship is a negative and feels like if this "exploration" of other relationships continue, it will destroy the basic premise of the show........the Lovestory. For now the show is overwhelmed with things that are purely for dramatic effect and probably have no value to the future storyline. They focus on the current status of the show. 2. Those who care about the show and like the changes that Season 2 brought, .......they may not like a few elements in the storyline but look further into the season and see a storyline that will develop into something that will be interesting and rewarding. They trust the writers and believe the VinCat relationship will be stronger and more passionate. 3. Those who care about the show and Love all the changes that Season 2 has shown........they trust the writers and believe the show is just getting better and better and VinCat are endgame so it doesn't matter what happens in the storyline.........VinCat will be together and it will all be worth it . Now, I probably oversimplified things, but this is how I sometimes see the fandom. I purposely did not address how the fandom sees other members of the fandom............ie, those who are "too negative", "true Beasties", etc. I think we all try to state our thoughts and feelings accurately, but sometimes things are stated that are taken personally. I think we all "care about the show" (which is why I wrote that 3 times in the descriptions) but we all have our standards for what we think is valuable and what we want from the show. The future of this show is in limbo, and I have decided to take a "wait and see" approach........even though there are now "rewrites" I believe that the show will be fast forwarded to a more optimum outlook for our VinCat. We will see....... Julz........what you said about the Twitter Beastie fandom is how I see a lot of it. There are those who praise and praise the writers/show/cast only to get retweets, shoutouts, etc.................I can understand that and who really wants to get "negative" comments all the time. But I have to wonder if the Exec. producers, writers, etc........truly understand the BaTB fans and what they are thinking? Because if they relied on just TWEETS they may think everything is wonderful. I truly wonder if they take the time to read some of the thoughtful, detailed and sincere comments that are written on this forum, and other places. Twitter does not allow for constructive dialogue. I would love to know why THEY think the ratings have deteriorated? I guess we won't know some of their thoughts until after the series has ended and the "should ofs, could ofs , and would ofs! I am REALLY NOT looking forward to the next Episode........and I will be like Julz and keep my eyes partially covered watching,........while I eat my comfort food or drink my comfort drink of choice. So Bring It BaTB........I am ready!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 9:16:35 GMT -5
Call me simplistic, but if you're supporting S2 100%, you would support V2.0, as @clena does. That's just one example of what I call lies.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 4, 2014 9:30:03 GMT -5
Call me simplistic, but if you're supporting S2 100%, you would support V2.0, as @clena does. That's just one example of what I call lies. i think beastly beauty was using u as an example of a non-liar
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Post by Beastly Beauty on Jan 4, 2014 9:44:06 GMT -5
I'm confused. You wanted me to be accusing you of being a liar? Sorry to disappoint, but I was telling the true, I didn't do that I wasn't even talking about people here, I was talking about people I see in other medias that, yes, are lying. They go all "oh, I'm loving S2, it's awesome, I'm supporting it 100% and "true beasties" should love it" then they go all "I hope they give us the old Vincent soon". Call me simplistic, but if you're supporting S2 100%, you would support V2.0, as @clena does. That's just one example of what I call lies. I don't remember seeing you doing something like this, therefore, I have no reason to believe that you're one of those so-called "true beasties". As SpydancerLovesVincat said, I'm not pointing fingers (you were the one that did it for your own reasons), but I've been confronted by the "true beasties" a couple of times and I must say that one of the things people say about unsatisfied beasties like me is that we're destroying the show's chances by being rude, a thing I don't remember doing, specially personally offend people, and I had to endure personal offenses from "true beasties". We are all fans who have different point of views and like or dislike s2 in one or other level. Not liking everything happening this season doesn't imply I'm not supporting the show. Yes I have read ppl in twitter supporting unconditionally and liking all happening in s2, but noone from this forum and the comment was posted here, as a reply to spydancer who was talking about people around here. Finally maybe those in twitter who are so positive REALLY feel like that so they are not lying. Everyone has different taste about shows. To be honest I'm tired and sad of this "discussions" with people with who I should share love and passion for the show. I replied your post cause, yes, as one of those who support the show despite I don't agree w everythng happening, I felt accused of being a liar. Maybe as Julz said, I misunderstood your post. Fortunately everyone is free to have an opinion of every other in this forum but there are some limits that shouldn't be crossed and I have never done that (or don't recall, correct me if I'm wrong). Entering in personal qualifications is not my idea of participating in a forum like this but maybe I'm wrong cause this is the first forum i ever participated. Exactly. That's a reasonable position. "Hey, I don't like everything, but I'm here until the end" is completely different from "Hey, I love everything and all is awesome and you're a filthy person for not thinking the same I do, but I really want the old Vincent back and all I want is to have VinCat the same way they were after S2 started". I don't think you're wrong for thinking whatever you think (and by you I mean just a general term, not you as a person alone) or for wanting this or that. What I think is wrong and false is to constantly contradicting yourself and attacking (some times personally) those that are pointing what they don't like in the show. The worse is to know that people are doing that only because the show is performing so badly. The direction of the show was changed exactly because there was a lot of complaints about various aspects of the show, not mine, I loved everything about S1, except Alex's arc, but I could see the light at the end of the tunnel there, unlike here, but, back then, there wasn't this kind of behavior because the show had a good chance. What makes me sad is that those people are failing to see that I too am supporting the show. I continue to vote for everything, to watch the show and to love VinCat, but I'm not blindly following this year's vision and I'm afraid that it'll scare more and more fans away. There are things I like from S2? Yes, I think the fast paced episodes were a good improvement, but I also think that what's good doesn't supplant what's bad. That's what I complaint about and that's what people try to shut me up.
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jan 4, 2014 10:10:53 GMT -5
The direction of the show was changed exactly because there was a lot of complaints about various aspects of the show, not mine, I loved everything about S1, except Alex's arc, but I could see the light at the end of the tunnel there, unlike here, but, back then, there wasn't this kind of behavior because the show had a good chance. I feel this way too. Even though I cringe at the Alex arc, I felt like it would end and VinCat would find their way back to each other. I didn't doubt that and I was willing to sit back and watch it unfold. What I didn't like and still find it unsettling, is that they never resolved the "Cat is Second Choice". That still bugs me. .....But I felt by the time the season ended, there was no doubt of VinCat's love for each other. This season wiped all that clean, and I was willing to sit back and wait for the "love" between them to build. But so far, after the first episode, the VinCat relationship has been hot and cold. I believe we all here are supporting the show in our own way. We don't always speak about.....I vote as well, but I don't really Tweet (only a few times). I don't believe anyone is trying to "shut you up"..............I understand where you are coming from, I do. And I understand, the other's point of view. Some see more positive events unfolding on the show.....and that may very well happen, but, for me, I don't look that far ahead because when I hope too much, I always get burned. I actually like to read the positive opinions, because it shakes me out of my "funk" sometimes........I like to smell the roses and look at the rainbows (just a figure of speech, I am not trivializing). But, my "realist" nature kicks back in, and I live in the here and now, with the good and bad. So, IMO, as long as we don't get personal, it is all good! I like to read everyone's opinion. I think we are the most honest here at this forum........and to me, I appreciate it and wouldn't want it any other way.
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Jan 4, 2014 10:50:22 GMT -5
Personally I think it is about tolerance of different situations, and we all have our limits… but it is true that there are fans out there whispering into the wind that they love everything… Sometimes I find myself giving them the stink eye, wondering if what they say is true… LOL. I can only say that I speak from experience and say that depending on what is going on, I may be able to stay positive even if I do not like what is happening on screen… In other situations, such as the turkey trauma and everything moving forward from that point, I can't stand any of it, and while I may continue to watch the show, I'm no longer able to put a positive spin on things, because I'm just at the very limit of what I can stand. I've said many times that too much is just TOO MUCH, and that feeling hasn't changed. My comments were not meant to be personal, it is just that I have been on twitter, and I'm surprised sometimes by the overwhelming positivity and overflowing comments - so much so that I can almost smell the desperation.
I think I made this comment with regard to upcoming episodes that I fear like a trip to the dentist to have a root canal… I just can't get behind the upcoming story lines. I am looking forward to the angst between Vincent and Catherine, particularly when it moves into the territory where there is nothing clouding the air around them - and by nothing, I mean NO ONE! I'm just not interested in all that awkward and fakeness of 3rd and 4th party so-called romance. It is so contrived, I don't even know what to say about any of it anymore. I am glad others are excited though. As for me, I will be hiding behind by glass of wine and trying to resist the urge to throw things at the screen and/or turn the TV off. Yes, I said that. It's true. I'm also annoyed that anyone said we are going to love episode 209. I think it was Austin who said it way back when, and I don't believe him for one second…
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jan 4, 2014 11:07:13 GMT -5
Personally I think it is about tolerance of different situations, and we all have our limits… but it is true that there are fans out there whispering into the wind that they love everything… Sometimes I find myself giving them the stink eye, wondering if what they say is true… LOL. I can only say that I speak from experience and say that depending on what is going on, I may be able to stay positive even if I do not like what is happening on screen… In other situations, such as the turkey trauma and everything moving forward from that point, I can't stand any of it, and while I may continue to watch the show, I'm no longer able to put a positive spin on things, because I'm just at the very limit of what I can stand. I've said many times that too much is just TOO MUCH, and that feeling hasn't changed. My comments were not meant to be personal, it is just that I have been on twitter, and I'm surprised sometimes by the overwhelming positivity and overflowing comments - so much so that I can almost smell the desperation. I think I made this comment with regard to upcoming episodes that I fear like a trip to the dentist to have a root canal… I just can't get behind the upcoming story lines. I am looking forward to the angst between Vincent and Catherine, particularly when it moves into the territory where there is nothing clouding the air around them - and by nothing, I mean NO ONE! I'm just not interested in all that awkward and fakeness of 3rd and 4th party so-called romance. It is so contrived, I don't even know what to say about any of it anymore. I am glad others are excited though. As for me, I will be hiding behind by glass of wine and trying to resist the urge to throw things at the screen and/or turn the TV off. Yes, I said that. It's true. I'm also annoyed that anyone said we are going to love episode 209. I think it was Austin who said it way back when, and I don't believe him for one second… THIS!! So help me........if Catherine and Gabe kiss at the end of this episode and it is more than a random kind of kiss.....I will go after anyone who said we will love this episode!! Because I will ask them to turn in their "Beastie Fan Club Card" because, IMO, no self respecting Beastie would "love" that. I mean lets be honest here. Question: I know it has been the holidays and all, but why does it seem like the Exec Prods, cast and writers have been so quiet on Twitter? I mean, like almost "dead" where Beasties are begging for retweets from them to support the show? It seems Catherine Ashton is the only one keeping ties with the Beasties! I hope that next week sees a flurry of BaTB activity, because it is hard to gin up excitement with the show if the show runners, cast, etc. are keeping a very low profile. Is the BaTB nation site dead......the person running it was let go?
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