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Post by evanarose on Jan 4, 2014 0:30:36 GMT -5
I must admit the re-writes of episodes, Showcase not knowing when (or if) they are going to air the next episodes, the change in schedule, the cast going on holiday break sooner than originally planned, the disappearance of JR on twitter, etc., gives me a bad vibe. The re-writes may, indeed, be common place. But... my gut tells me they are either making a last ditch effort to save the show by changing direction and hopefully regaining the core fandom or the decision to cancel has been made and they simply have yet to announce it to the viewers. This is going to sound so harsh lol but sometimes I feel like they should sack the writers (the ones with the bad ideas.) and have us beasties in the forum and fan fiction take over ! I hate saying that. I feel so mean lol but the storyline has been frustrating at times! I mean I'm sure they are good at writing and I'm not attacking them as how they are as a person (obviously I don't know them!), but some of the ideas, I don't know how it has come about! Too much wine whilst brainstorming? lol! I mean I know it's not always going to be perfect, but the Tori idea....I mean, it's easy to figure out that that wasn't going to work especially after Alex...What I can't get over, is how they reassure us that Tori/Vincent won't be together but have them kiss anyway All I can say is I really hope they pick themselves up and we have vincat like 2nd half of season 1! Can't imagine it though But I think we deserve it, if it's going to end this season!
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Jan 4, 2014 0:33:12 GMT -5
I must admit the re-writes of episodes, Showcase not knowing when (or if) they are going to air the next episodes, the change in schedule, the cast going on holiday break sooner than originally planned, the disappearance of JR on twitter, etc., gives me a bad vibe. The re-writes may, indeed, be common place. But... my gut tells me they are either making a last ditch effort to save the show by changing direction and hopefully regaining the core fandom or the decision to cancel has been made and they simply have yet to announce it to the viewers. This is going to sound so harsh lol but sometimes I feel like they should sack the writers (the ones with the bad ideas.) and have us beasties in the forum take over ! I hate saying that. I feel so mean lol but the storyline has been frustrating at times! I mean I'm sure they are good at writing and I'm not attacking them as how they are as a person (obviously I don't know them!), but some of the ideas, I don't know how it has come about! Too much wine whilst brainstorming? lol! I mean I know it's not always going to be perfect, but the Tori idea....I mean, it's easy to figure out that that wasn't going to work especially after Alex... What I can't get over, is how they reassure us that Tori/Vincent won't be together but have them kiss anyway All I can say is I really hope they pick themselves up and we have vincat like 2nd half of season 1! Can't imagine it though Exactly! And, thank you!! It's like the worst idea ever, but they do it anyway, I just don't get it… It's ridiculous. And… you know Bleh! I mean if they want her to have a purpose and for us to buy into her story, they couldn't have made a bigger mess of things. It's shocking.
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jan 4, 2014 0:37:33 GMT -5
I must admit the re-writes of episodes, Showcase not knowing when (or if) they are going to air the next episodes, the change in schedule, the cast going on holiday break sooner than originally planned, the disappearance of JR on twitter, etc., gives me a bad vibe. The re-writes may, indeed, be common place. But... my gut tells me they are either making a last ditch effort to save the show by changing direction and hopefully regaining the core fandom or the decision to cancel has been made and they simply have yet to announce it to the viewers. This is going to sound so harsh lol but sometimes I feel like they should sack the writers (the ones with the bad ideas.) and have us beasties in the forum and fan fiction take over ! I hate saying that. I feel so mean lol but the storyline has been frustrating at times! I mean I'm sure they are good at writing and I'm not attacking them as how they are as a person (obviously I don't know them!), but some of the ideas, I don't know how it has come about! Too much wine whilst brainstorming? lol! I mean I know it's not always going to be perfect, but the Tori idea....I mean, it's easy to figure out that that wasn't going to work especially after Alex...What I can't get over, is how they reassure us that Tori/Vincent won't be together but have them kiss anyway All I can say is I really hope they pick themselves up and we have vincat like 2nd half of season 1! Can't imagine it though But I think we deserve it, if it's going to end this season! Yep...only I think the cause is not enough wine rather than too much!
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Jan 4, 2014 0:42:03 GMT -5
This is going to sound so harsh lol but sometimes I feel like they should sack the writers (the ones with the bad ideas.) and have us beasties in the forum and fan fiction take over ! I hate saying that. I feel so mean lol but the storyline has been frustrating at times! I mean I'm sure they are good at writing and I'm not attacking them as how they are as a person (obviously I don't know them!), but some of the ideas, I don't know how it has come about! Too much wine whilst brainstorming? lol! I mean I know it's not always going to be perfect, but the Tori idea....I mean, it's easy to figure out that that wasn't going to work especially after Alex...What I can't get over, is how they reassure us that Tori/Vincent won't be together but have them kiss anyway All I can say is I really hope they pick themselves up and we have vincat like 2nd half of season 1! Can't imagine it though But I think we deserve it, if it's going to end this season! Yep...only I think the cause is not enough wine rather than too much! Well they have driven us to drink. That's for sure…
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Post by evanarose on Jan 4, 2014 0:43:13 GMT -5
^You could be right!!
How funny would it be to have a beastie campaign for season 3. Sending wines to the writers for better storylines?! LOL then they got NO EXCUSE!
I'm just picturing 100s of wine bottles while the writers are discussing ideas at the table lol!
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Jan 4, 2014 0:51:25 GMT -5
Exactly. Most of them are the ones that call themselves "true beasties". I don't know how a person can be "true" hiding behind lies. Wait a second.... so if I don't HATE season 2, last 2 episodes, Tori, Brad Kern, the writters and all those things you both do hate I'm a lier??! I may not like V kissing Tori, I could prefer another ways to enhance V's beast side and keep VinCat separate, I definetely prefer to "enjoy" the lovey dovey of VinCat and many small details from s1 but I also see great improvements in s2, understand where writters wanted to bring the story (with more or less success), try to watch the show with an open mind (even when it hurts) and the same way you can't help feeling horrible and disappointed with season 2 I DON'T feel the same way. Why your way of feeling and seeing s2 is more valid than mine? Why seeing things in a more positive way implies being a lier?? I won't even comment that I, as one of those "others" who don't see things like you do, could feel offended by being called "lier" by 2 members of our fandom. I try to respect your opinions although I may not agree with them. Why can't you just do the same without implying that we are hypocritical and liers just because we don't share your POV? I think there is a misunderstanding here. My impression of SpydancerLovesVincat's comments were that sometimes people put a "smiley face" on something that is bad, just to make it into a positive. I can see that and understand it. Please correct me if I'm wrong spydancer . . . Beastly Beauty mentioned being true hiding behind lies. My impression of the "lies" part was this - it really isn't truth if you do what spydancer mentioned before - saying everything is great when it isn't. Just stay true to what you like or don't. I think a lot of this has been going around on Twitter especially. People are overflowing with praise for everything BATB, just to "suck up to" those who work on the show and are on social media. Those who do that are just trying to get into the good graces of the show's "higher ups" to get noticed on Twitter or whatever, and to boost their egos, like - "Oh wow! I just love everything you do with BATB! It is sooooo awesome! Please notice me and my great comments by retweeting what I say!" Blah blah blah. They will say this even when it obviously SUCKS. First, that does no one any good. Don't puff up their egos if it is disingenuous, because then they don't know the real truth and adjust accordingly. It makes them think they are doing an awesome job when they aren't and when they need to change direction. Second, truth usually results in constructive criticism. Even this good kind of criticism is hard to take and swallow if you are on the receiving end. But in the end, it makes you better at your job and improves performance. You end up making better decisions in the future. As for the "true beasties" part - all I can say is that I was on the receiving end of that criticism after the Reunion "Gabriella" scene. I didn't like it and I said so and my reasons for thinking that. It was said that being so negative wasn't the way "true beasties" were. Just sayin' . . . been there. Didn't like it. Anyway . . . Wow, ok, that was a long rabbit trail (as opposed to holes here!) to simply say - I think that there was a misunderstanding here . . . Hugs all around?!?!?
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Jan 4, 2014 1:00:46 GMT -5
I'm here and yes more then dance folks wait for it! It will quiet everyone I'm sure and I in a good way You know why we'll be so quiet, right?!?!? Because our jaws will hit the floor and we won't be able to talk like that!!! Hee hee hee!
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Post by wanderer on Jan 4, 2014 1:45:09 GMT -5
^You could be right!! How funny would it be to have a beastie campaign for season 3. Sending wines to the writers for better storylines?! LOL then they got NO EXCUSE! I'm just picturing 100s of wine bottles while the writers are discussing ideas at the table lol! Yes, and we could send notes with storyline suggestions with the wine. Some ideas I've read here are way better than what we're getting, lol!
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 4, 2014 2:39:52 GMT -5
I read it yesterday that. It's kind of bomb that give us with no explanation and more question!!! No it confirms what Lilith said indirectly 'THEY KISS' yes and we also knew it would happen in the end of the episode and as i said before vincent going in between them is for non- jealousy reasons but it ends up getting them "closer"
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 4, 2014 2:44:45 GMT -5
Believe me, that's make sick too. I can only give explanation that Cat is weak due to what happen with Vincent. That's a moment of weakness for me and not a reason love interest. Only by Gabe side maybe but this cannot be survive between them. They are totally different. [/quote for sure, i agree
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Jan 4, 2014 2:47:03 GMT -5
I reckon the writer's and whoever came up with the idea of a she beast drank a whole crate of wine becuase nobody in their right mind would put another red head into the Vincat mix without having to know the backlash they would get for it and then to have them kiss after saying ' she's not another Alex' was just and I still don't buy that whoever hired her did'nt know that Alex was a red head I mean Jennifer and Sherri did so why did'nt they say anything, and for me if they were going to bring in a she beast then have her help Vincat or just be afriend to Vincent while he helped her not openly go after him knowing he was trying to figure and work things out with the someone special like he told her he had in his life. I really hope we can get a season 3 becuase I personally feel that a whole season of Vincat and JT, Tess working together again to tie up lose ends would be better, but script changes are again common in shows but my gut feeling tells me that they were told to make changes in a hope to bump up the ratings otherwise a 5yr plan isn't even possible I think in the CW eyes and that would be a shame.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 4, 2014 2:48:43 GMT -5
Believe me, that's make sick too. I can only give explanation that Cat is weak due to what happen with Vincent. That's a moment of weakness for me and not a reason love interest. Only by Gabe side maybe but this cannot be survive between them. They are totally different. But given how the winter premiere ends for Cat and Gabe, it’s probably just a matter of time.This doesn't say that Cat has a moment of weakness. This implies the beginning of a relationship.[/quote hmmm you are right but matt has only seen 209 and the kiss happens at the end i am still convinced that it wont go any further if it does i will NOT be a happy bunny i think
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 4, 2014 2:51:00 GMT -5
So there is kiss between Gabe and Cat, right? But we still don't know how it's going to go down. If it's a mutual kiss or if Gabe catches Cat off-guard or of Cat plants one on a shocked Gabe :/ true we have no idea at this stage interestingly lilith said she would need to watch 210 ... so the end of 209 leaves some questions for her
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 4, 2014 2:58:49 GMT -5
I would love to know if the actors are as disillusioned as most of us are. Kristin said in an earlier interview that she doesn't even try to give suggestions to the writers this season, and Jay has pretty much disappeared from twitter. I could be reading too much into it, and probably am, but it just makes me curious, although I know we'll never know. I have noticed that for Jay. He has to write any message since Dec 14th. I check this twitter very often. he is on holidays with his family, he rarely ever tweets during holidays and doesnt tweet too often anyway
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 4, 2014 3:00:25 GMT -5
I must admit the re-writes of episodes, Showcase not knowing when (or if) they are going to air the next episodes, the change in schedule, the cast going on holiday break sooner than originally planned, the disappearance of JR on twitter, etc., gives me a bad vibe. The re-writes may, indeed, be common place. But... my gut tells me they are either making a last ditch effort to save the show by changing direction and hopefully regaining the core fandom or the decision to cancel has been made and they simply have yet to announce it to the viewers. their PR person Caitlin has been let go - she was responsible for PR for the writers and was updating their tweeter feed and BATB nation site, none of which was updated since she was let go
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