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Post by KKW.COM on May 5, 2013 10:48:49 GMT -5
The one thing that irks me a lot about this series is the lack of attention to important details and the contradictions they do just to move the story forward. Few examples that have bugged me: - Having Vincent and Catherine tell each other they need to be much more careful for then have the following scene to be of Vincent making out in the open for anyone to see to then follow it up with Vincent jumping four stories down from a building where anyone passing by can see him just so Evan would be there to see him.
- Having the characters make us believe a year has already past since the pilot episode which was the 9 year mark of Catherine's mother's death which took place in the Fall. In other woards the seasons of Spring/Summer never happened on the series...they basically went from fall to winter back to fall without we ever seeing Summer/Spring.
- Vincent and JT new location, we've still haven't been told what it is, where its at or how they found it/got it and how that location is a safe location for Vincent to hide out in... Vincent nor JT have mentioned it nor even Catherine who's over protective of Vincent has even asked about the new digs.
- Joe's marriage, in the latest episode Joe telling Tess they should go into the open with their relationship, with any mention of his marriage and also leaving the impression it would make them look bad NOT because Joe's married, but because Tess was snagging up with the boss.
- Evan's death and how quickly Catherine and Tess have gotten over it... Evan was a regular character throughout the series and at the beginning of the series we were left with the impression both Catherine (mainly her) and Tess were really good friends with him... but Catherine got over his death quick and Tess I can't even remember her even grieving his passing in any of the episodes and if she did, it was damn quick! In other words, they did zero justice to Evan's death, its almost like he never existed.
I'm sure there's a lot other things... but these are just a few that have been really bugging me! |
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Post by firefly on May 11, 2013 4:30:39 GMT -5
- Evan's death and how quickly Catherine and Tess have gotten over it... Evan was a regular character throughout the series and at the beginning of the series we were left with the impression both Catherine (mainly her) and Tess were really good friends with him... but Catherine got over his death quick and Tess I can't even remember her even grieving his passing in any of the episodes and if she did, it was damn quick! In other words, they did zero justice to Evan's death, its almost like he never existed.
This bothers me more than anything. Where's the love for Evan? There should have been a memorial service for him. Are the writers trying to make us forget about him so quickly? Because it ain't gonna happen, that's for sure. I did appreciate the mention we got of him from Cat in PWF, but it wasn't enough. Evan deserved a proper farewell. He didn't get it. Plain and simple. There should have been more of a remembrance of him, more grieving, especially on Cat's part. Poor Evan. He wasn't even mentioned at all these last two episodes. I don't get. This is certainly not the way things should have ended for such a beloved character. |
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Post by Nelly on May 11, 2013 5:45:21 GMT -5
I might be wrong so don't bite my head off. But Evan was never declared dead officially. He is a 'fugitive', who left town, after confessing what he did by e-mail to Gabe. So only the four of them (Cat, Vincent, JT and Tess) know that he is dead. So why would be there a memorial service for him? Or did you meant a memorial service just with four of them?
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on May 11, 2013 6:00:11 GMT -5
I might be wrong so don't bite my head off. But Evan was never declared dead officially. He is a 'fugitive', who left town, after confessing what he did by e-mail to Gabe. So only the four of them (Cat, Vincent, JT and Tess) know that he is dead. So why would be there a memorial service for him? Or did you meant a memorial service just with four of them? I was just going to say exactly that! The only people that know Evan's fate(well maybe LOL) is Catherine, Tess, JT,Vincent and Gabe. Everyone thinks he skipped town. And also for the record as much as they haven't mention him anymore in Playing With Fire both Vincent and Catherine spoke of Evan as did Tess and Catherine when she showed Tess the picture of them in the photobooth at her Birthday Party in Saturn Returns. Oh and Catherine mentions having a new ME and how weird it was to see someone else doing Evan's job. Yolie |
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Post by firefly on May 11, 2013 6:02:53 GMT -5
I might be wrong so don't bite my head off. But Evan was never declared dead officially. He is a 'fugitive', who left town, after confessing what he did by e-mail to Gabe. So only the four of them (Cat, Vincent, JT and Tess) know that he is dead. So why would be there a memorial service for him? Or did you meant a memorial service just with four of them? You're right, Nelly. Evan hasn't been declared dead. And yes, I meant a memorial service with the four of them. Sorry I didn't clarify.  |
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Post by Nelly on May 11, 2013 6:09:51 GMT -5
I might be wrong so don't bite my head off. But Evan was never declared dead officially. He is a 'fugitive', who left town, after confessing what he did by e-mail to Gabe. So only the four of them (Cat, Vincent, JT and Tess) know that he is dead. So why would be there a memorial service for him? Or did you meant a memorial service just with four of them? I was just going to say exactly that! The only people that know Evan's fate(well maybe LOL) is Catherine, Tess, JT,Vincent and Gabe. Everyone thinks he skipped town. And also for the record as much as they haven't mention him anymore in Playing With Fire both Vincent and Catherine spoke of Evan as did Tess and Catherine when she showed Tess the picture of them in the photobooth at her Birthday Party in Saturn Returns. Oh and Catherine mentions having a new ME and how weird it was to see someone else doing Evan's job. Yolie Yeah, I forgot Gabe... But he also doesn't know by fact but just assumes he has been killed. You're right, Nelly. Evan hasn't been declared dead. And yes, I meant a memorial service with the four of them. Sorry I didn't clarify. Ok, that makes sense now. Although I'm not sure Vincent would have been there, he hardly knew Evan. If not for being there for Cat for support. |
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Post by Maria on May 11, 2013 7:41:51 GMT -5
Somehow I don't think Evan is dead - as in "dead dead." At least I hope he is not and that he returns even as an appearance, or the writers close that story line with decency for a beloved character. Such as a funeral, memorial...and maybe tell us a little more about him, like mention again the family he sends the cheque to every month as to why he left the UK etc.
I DO NOT want to see him come back as a partial beast character after Muirfield did experiments on him. Oh writers - please don't go down that street!
Now then what about Heather's character? Nicole Gale Anderson has confirmed she'll be a regular on the another series...will they just "ignore" her character too? Even if the actress is unable to return for the occasional "appearance" - what are they going to do about her? Pretend she signed up for fashion school in Europe or something?
Although - who knows what the finale will portray - for Evan's character and Heather too.
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Post by KKW.COM on May 17, 2013 18:33:21 GMT -5
I might be wrong so don't bite my head off. But Evan was never declared dead officially. He is a 'fugitive', who left town, after confessing what he did by e-mail to Gabe. So only the four of them (Cat, Vincent, JT and Tess) know that he is dead. So why would be there a memorial service for him? Or did you meant a memorial service just with four of them? Cat and Tess KNOW he's dead, at least from everything Catherine saw, she saw him die. Fact is, both Catherine and Tess haven't even really grieved him since he died. He was forgotten by the middle of the following episode... not to be mentioned again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 21:27:16 GMT -5
Somehow I don't think Evan is dead - as in "dead dead." At least I hope he is not and that he returns even as an appearance, or the writers close that story line with decency for a beloved character. Such as a funeral, memorial...and maybe tell us a little more about him, like mention again the family he sends the cheque to every month as to why he left the UK etc. I DO NOT want to see him come back as a partial beast character after Muirfield did experiments on him. Oh writers - please don't go down that street! Now then what about Heather's character? Nicole Gale Anderson has confirmed she'll be a regular on the another series...will they just "ignore" her character too? Even if the actress is unable to return for the occasional "appearance" - what are they going to do about her? Pretend she signed up for fashion school in Europe or something? Although - who knows what the finale will portray - for Evan's character and Heather too. But if Muirfield doesn't use Evan as an experiment, I don't see any reason for them to maintain him alive  and, the way we last saw him, there's no way he could get out of those tunnels without the agency's help.  Just a thought. Yeah, the lack of attention bothers me, too. Everything about the show is based on secrets and being careful, yet the characters keep slipping in public like they don't have a care in the world. Like when the criminals invaded Cat's apartment.  The police came out of nowhere  - it might had been because of some neighbor call, but it was just too perfect to be true - and Cat went to make her statement alone.  In a real situation, the criminals would take advantage of the fact that Cat is hiding her boyfriend and make her life a living hell. But everything was fine for them in the end and no one ever knew Vincent was there.  This kind of thing doesn't do any good to our show. |
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Post by wishfulpiaffe on Jun 29, 2013 8:12:13 GMT -5
oH dEAR - just found this thread and I have been banging on about this very topic on the wrong bits of this website - sincere apologies, brand new at this - havent figured it all out yet. Is there a way to shift posts to their proper location? I am on a "stop disrespecting your devoted audience" thing at the minute, having just so recently "swan dived" off the sanity cliff and into BATB space. My two tirades can be found via these links - fingers and toes crossed I did this correctly Read more: saveeachotherbatb.com/thread/313/vincent-calling-catherine-cat#page=4#ixzz2XZalYl51saveeachotherbatb.com/post/27957/threadI am seriously hoping that a lot of the "hoarder" mentality we were subjected to in the first season - particularly in the earlier episodes was panic - trying to stuff in everything they could think of to catch some audience interest and get the numbers needed to survive - and I am being totally magnanimous here - otherwise one has to consider the people with responsibility to be clog dancing elephants stomping the life out of a lovely story, with excellent actors, terrific technicians and creatives. Allowing such sloppy editing and continuity is just rude and disrespectful and the companies that pay serious money to advertise on this show are taking note. Anyway, here's hoping the new fellow in charge has a clue - did a bit of research on him - mixed reaction - he was a writer on Remington Steele, one of my absolute favourite ever ever tv programmes however a lot of his other work is the type of stuff that makes me never turn the thing on - feeling a little queasy with concern. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 10:44:05 GMT -5
There are numerous problems with the show......attention to details just being one of them.  Unless they get the ship on course during the second season that will be it I'm afraid. The cast seems to be doing a decent job with the material written for them, but two eye-candy lead characters can't sustain a creatively challenged show like BATB by themselves. Fingers crossed. |
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Post by vincerine on Jun 29, 2013 10:49:23 GMT -5
There are numerous problems with the show......attention to details just being one of them. Unless they get the ship on course during the second season that will be it I'm afraid. The cast seems to be doing a decent job with the material written for them, but two eye-candy lead characters can't sustain a creatively challenged show like BATB by themselves. Fingers crossed. Exactly what I am thinking! especially the writing and production teams,Come on! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 11:48:01 GMT -5
Exactly what I am thinking! especially the writing and production teams,Come on! Great minds think alike. I have to give kudo's to Jay/Kristin when they're promoting the show during various interviews, Comic-con, etc. They must know the show has real hurdles to overcome, but they never relate any hint of negativity and are always articulate and classy with their statements. We'll see. |
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 29, 2013 12:01:06 GMT -5
^ You can't be to critical of a show that was NEW..As much as I <edited> and moan I understand that usually the first season is for figuring out what works and what doesn't..Hopefully now that they have a whole season behind them and a fanbase like ours that gives opinions and suggestions we wil be heard...Let's give it a chance guys! They learn from mistakes..With the new crew, writers, directors and producers I think they will and have made changes that will benifit the series. Wishful thinking?? Maybe...But it's more like hope |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2013 0:22:26 GMT -5
Yeah, point taken. The fact that they've retooled somewhat during last season, hired a new showrunner, and made other changes indicate they knew there was problem. On the other hand, I've seen numerous TV shows where the first season was the best and they went down hill from there. Time will tell. |
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and, the way we last saw him, there's no way he could get out of those tunnels without the agency's help. 
Just a thought. 
The police came out of nowhere 
- it might had been because of some neighbor call, but it was just too perfect to be true - and Cat went to make her statement alone. 
In a real situation, the criminals would take advantage of the fact that Cat is hiding her boyfriend and make her life a living hell. But everything was fine for them in the end and no one ever knew Vincent was there. 
Unless they get the ship on course during the second season that will be it I'm afraid.
