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Post by torik on Feb 11, 2014 18:15:01 GMT -5
In the show's defense, I loved this whole season and it just keeps on getting better. Here's why: My love life has followed the same trajectory that this show has. I understand Vincent and Catherine's side of this because I have been there personally. I had to walk away from my man because he refused to save himself and it brought me down to the point that I didn't recognize myself trying to save him. Like Cat, I had to walk away. I understand her wanting to be in a real functional relationship because at this point to her, Gabe has been there when she needed him most unlike Vincent and she needs support, love and friendship. To the critics of the "amazing love" storyline who say they don't get it, I do see that love there. Only it's not the side of love that you think of in fairy tales where everything is happily ever after with lots of kisses and make out time. It's the tougher side of love that neither Vincent nor Cat lost for one another. Cat loved Vincent enough to stop him from killing her father in cold blood. She loved him enough to walk away if it meant that he'd wake up. Which he did. He came to his senses. Cat is seeking Gabe right now because it's tough being alone when all you know is someone's love who's been there for you. And yes, it does make you want to go to the one person who's been there along and you know loves you at the moment. Yes, the two of them made poor choices at times and got lost along the way, but remember those of you who watch the Once Upon a Time tv show, that "True love will always find each other." But true love has to start with knowing who I am and then it's a process of realizing that the other person really does love you and you them. That is real life, unfortunately, rather than a romanticized version of love. This is the beauty of what this show captures. I'm a fan, personally. ETA: I may be naive, but I don't think that Cat and Gabe got horizontal. They kissed yes, but I think it was too early in the relationship for both of them. I just assumed that he drove her home or she drove herself home since the horizontal wasn't shown on camera.
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Post by ArwenFan on Feb 11, 2014 18:18:36 GMT -5
He travels off into the snow, a lonely man, but one who’s allowing his solitude to stand for the good of a woman whose heart he broke; by accepting his loneliness and braving Cat’s new relationship as her friend, he feels he’s giving her the second chance she deserves. Whether Gabe is worthy of being Cat’s second chance remains to be seen. That’s the thing about trust, generally. You never know if someone is unworthy of it until you find out they aren’t. Read the full review www.rickey.org/beauty-beast-season-2-episode-13-recap-review-till-deathThis reviewer is good, but I'm convinced he's drinking while watching these episodes because I never see anything that meaty or thought provoking in any of these episodes.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 11, 2014 18:29:40 GMT -5
He travels off into the snow, a lonely man, but one who’s allowing his solitude to stand for the good of a woman whose heart he broke; by accepting his loneliness and braving Cat’s new relationship as her friend, he feels he’s giving her the second chance she deserves. Whether Gabe is worthy of being Cat’s second chance remains to be seen. That’s the thing about trust, generally. You never know if someone is unworthy of it until you find out they aren’t. Read the full review www.rickey.org/beauty-beast-season-2-episode-13-recap-review-till-deathThis reviewer is good, but I'm convinced he's drinking while watching these episodes because I never see anything that meaty or thought provoking in any of these episodes. the theme of trust i think featured a lot in this episode in fact past tweets by cast etc used the same word "trust" . and what stood out for me is that yes cat had concerns about whether she can actually trust Gabe, and decided she can trust him towards the end, but at no point in the episode did she have any doubt that she can trust vincent. since the trust was re-established in episode 11, they have grown stronger in that respect and fully trust each other
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Post by Mycupoftea on Feb 11, 2014 18:36:06 GMT -5
When was Gabe ever in an orphanage? Didn't Mirefield take him straight off the streets to their lab? And then Vanessa rescued him and others when M decided to terminate the experiments, and took him directly to his adoptive parents?
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Post by ArwenFan on Feb 11, 2014 18:45:02 GMT -5
Among all the lies and empty promises TPTB told us this season, one of them bothers me the most. We were told that we would see Vincent and Catherine falling in love again and that never happened. Catherine never stopped loving Vincent – she might be in denial, but her love is pretty evident, she even have the heartbeat to prove it – and Vincent, out of nowhere, admitted to JT that he loves her. When did that happen? How did that happen? One minute, Vincent was shoving her to the ground, the next one he was on her bed, the next one he was in a relationship with Tori and the next one he was in love with Cat. When he realized that he loves Cat? Did someone here see it? Where is the famous “fall in love again”? It certainly isn't on the screen. Are we supposed to believe that the love was always there? If that is so, why was this storyline even necessary again? Why waste so much time with meaningless and useless love triangles that only managed to suck up screen time in a show that never had longevity granted? I have been asking that question for 2 months now............where has it been shown that Vincent even LOVES Catherine?? Last night I was shocked that he said the words. And frankly, it wasn't a very heartfelt proclamation. When Catherine said the words "I love him" to the Police Psychiatrist, you felt it. Catherine said it with so much love and warmth, you could feel the emotion of finally admitting it out loud. Vincent says the words "I Love her" like it was forced out of him. This is what is so lacking in this show. The writers are whisking these characters through other relationships that you see them act one way and then turn around and they say something else. And there is no emotion, no suspended looks between them where they can breathe the same air together. I feel like the Directors are just speeding through the dialogue. It is exasperating. I struggle to find it romantic. EDIT: I just watched the new clips from Yolie from Held Hostage. The Chat with Vincent and Catherine at the Bar at JT's party after V broke up with T. That is how you do the "longing looks" and showing the feelings between VinCat with their eyes. That was perfect in that they took their time, they talked (not too much) and their eyes told the rest of the story. THAT is what I want to see between Vincent and Cat every time . So, Vincent "realizes" that Catherine has trouble "trusting" because of him? Is he talking about "trusting" men in relationships? Wasn't it clear in Season 1 that Catherine didn't get too involved with men because she didn't want to get hurt? She didn't seem to trust some men that she got involved with. Plus, wasn't it Catherine who always trusted Vincent? She always went to him, ......she trusted that he would do the right thing. So, because of the Reynolds confrontation, Catherine doesn't "Trust" Vincent?? Is that what he means? So........in this episode Catherine is shown not to "trust" Gabe. Vincent "senses" the worthiness of Gabe. Convinces Cat that Gabe is good. Vincent believes Gabe is good. So if Gabe is so GOOD, and Catherine now believes that he is truly and wholly GOOD, why would she ever leave him? Will Gabe die too, and then we have Vincent and Catherine together by default? I mean they are bookend relationship jumping...........why don't we have Gabe die a martyr too. Tori and Gabe dying so that VinCat can live!! What if Gabe is NOT GOOD?? What does this say about Catherine and her TRUST issues then? What does it say about Vincent and his skills to sense deception and danger. For Vincent and Cat to ever come together again, is it because that everything else around them has fallen apart or been destroyed for them to look around and all they have is each other? I think the "I am not worthy" and "I have trust issues" are such tired, worn out cliche themes. I think it would have been better to have them engage in finding out about the mythology.............solving clues, thwarting danger, and beating bad guys.....growing stronger as individuals than seeing them broken and finding comfort and solace in the arms of people that are not GOOD for either of them. I have read fanfiction that is 1000 times better than resorting to this immature dribble. Next Vincent and Catherine will be passing notes to one another saying, "Do you like me? Yes or No"?
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Post by ArwenFan on Feb 11, 2014 18:51:29 GMT -5
Question. If you ONLY saw Season Two, would you be here now? No.
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Feb 11, 2014 19:24:05 GMT -5
...Good catch about the Valentine's Day date.......lol! ... I notice that!! I swear they made me doubt whether it was on Friday or Saturday !! Caught that too. At first I thought that it was intentional to somehow prove that time of BATB is the not the same time as real world. But then I thought that was ridiculous and they were just probably looking at the wrong calendar. Just say its VDay weekend next time & save themselves the embarrassment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 19:28:45 GMT -5
Question. If you ONLY saw Season Two, would you be here now? I wouldn't see the show past episode 2, let alone search for info about it. NO.
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Feb 11, 2014 19:44:19 GMT -5
This reviewer is good, but I'm convinced he's drinking while watching these episodes because I never see anything that meaty or thought provoking in any of these episodes. the theme of trust i think featured a lot in this episode in fact past tweets by cast etc used the same word "trust" . and what stood out for me is that yes cat had concerns about whether she can actually trust Gabe, and decided she can trust him towards the end, but at no point in the episode did she have any doubt that she can trust vincent. since the trust was re-established in episode 11, they have grown stronger in that respect and fully trust each other I thought the review was a lovely. It did get a little deep at times there, almost like he was writing a thesis to turn in for a paper about BATB. But I thought some of his points were good, and a lot of them have been mentioned throughout threads on this site, so kudos to our members too for writing/thinking interesting things. Trust is at the very core of any relationship and it is a very hard thing to build/lose/rebuild. Trust can impact you on all levels. Cat says she has trust issues. Those existed b4 she was involved w/V as was mentioned thruout s1. But what happened with her family and then Vincent I think has made her trust even less. So for her to try to trust Gabe at the end, I think is a very big step. For her sake, I hope he is deserving of that trust - even if I think he may be a little shady at times. We learnt that V & C began to trust each other in 211 which I think was pivotal for Cat's recovery. To lose trust in someone you love is jsut devastating. To be gradually losing trust in someone like was happening with her & V since he came back w/ amnesia and did all of those horrible things IMO is devastating for her psyche. When you lose trust in other people, esp those you love you can begin to lose trust in yourself. Which is what I hope the writers were trying to display over the past episodes with Catherine being so fickle and wishy-washy. I have lost trust like that before and it feels like your spinning with no axis. You dont quite know how or when it will stop. But it might explain a lot of how Cat is processing life now. I think her beginning to trust V and G, will eventually allow her to trust herself. Exploration of trust has been a major part of this season, so I think it will be interesting to see how the trust that has been fixed over the past episodes plays out in the next few episodes.
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Post by Windflwr on Feb 11, 2014 20:00:46 GMT -5
When was Gabe ever in an orphanage? Didn't Mirefield take him straight off the streets to their lab? And then Vanessa rescued him and others when M decided to terminate the experiments, and took him directly to his adoptive parents? That's the same question I had! Now they're changing the story.
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Post by ArwenFan on Feb 11, 2014 20:12:48 GMT -5
When was Gabe ever in an orphanage? Didn't Mirefield take him straight off the streets to their lab? And then Vanessa rescued him and others when M decided to terminate the experiments, and took him directly to his adoptive parents? That's the same question I had! Now they're changing the story. I have many problems with this season, and a big one is presentation. Everything has been handled in such a half-assed, shallow manner that I can't just buy into all this depth. Why? Because I have to work too hard to make it seem even plausible. The choices the characters have made, the way conflicts and resolutions have played out have been ridiculous. The characters have been butchered to make unbelievable drama. Characters have been introduced then painted with a brush so broad and one-dimensional it's hardly been worth the effort to introduce them, while supporting characters that we know and care about have been reduced to practically extras. I don't like Tess, but surely she could have been developed and written better. I hate lazy and predictable. I cannot tell you how much. JT and Tess are just that. Why? ?? Catherine and Elena could swap shows. Who would know the difference? And where is the growth in Vincent? Why does he have to be undeserving again? Why is he crucified so that Gabe can be the knight in shining armor? I can't abide this dreck. I'm sorry, I really can't. This episode bothered me so much I couldn't sleep well last night. If the ratings dropped last year when we loved the show, what made them ever think they would improve with this crap? Once the show goes on hiatus I'll probably drop it altogether--you know, out of sight, out of mind. In mourning for what once was.
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Feb 11, 2014 20:27:08 GMT -5
When was Gabe ever in an orphanage? Didn't Mirefield take him straight off the streets to their lab? And then Vanessa rescued him and others when M decided to terminate the experiments, and took him directly to his adoptive parents? That's the same question I had! Now they're changing the story. Gabe never went into all the details of his life at Muirfield. We saw most of it in flashbacks. What if Muirfield ran the orphanage because there had to be somewhere for these kids to live and they had to have caretakers. We also know Vanessa spent time with them because she took Cat's books and movies to share with them. And there are records of the kids that stayed there such as Clara (mentioned in episode 2:13) and we know Muirfield would have kept detailed records. Those are still around somewhere. So could be M
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Post by Naná on Feb 11, 2014 21:03:00 GMT -5
Loved the episode, it was fun, and from my point of view it was romantic. I do not have much to say or add that you did a lot of comments here! lol thanks And I have to add at this point, that I have fun reading the angry people and I love the positive and vice versa, is very interesting, thank god! because it would be a total bore reading the same. Episode can highlight several things: - The denial of both - The excuses to be near or away. lol - Confessions - Vince does not want to hurt Cath - Cat does not want to be hurt and needs to move - Jt! I loved it! lol - Gabe ... mmmm - The performances of jay / kristin were adorable, their faces, without words
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Post by Vincent Keller on Feb 11, 2014 21:08:46 GMT -5
So...if Catherine, who is moving into an actual relationship with Gabe, sleeps with him, she's a cheap girl - a deviant? And Vincent has not one shred of feelings for Tori and sleeps with her and he's just ... "a guy"? Vincent's behavior towards women is much more deviant than any of Catherine's behavior, IMO. Hey not trying to get crass here, but we're the only animal in nature that wipes after a crap...seriously Cat can sleep with whom ever she and the powers that be decide to put in her bed.........that doesn't mean I have to accept or like it. =) ^ Oh, I don't like it either, but then Vincent would need to be examined by that same standard, to be fair. ^ I don't like Gabe and Cat together at all. ^ This sentence could very easily be describing Vincent. After all he's done, to take Vincent into her bed....just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 22:04:02 GMT -5
This sentence could very easily be describing Vincent. After all he's done, to take Vincent into her bed....just saying. And that's why this season is so wrong in my opinion.
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