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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Nov 6, 2013 19:35:30 GMT -5
What we knew and what was explained in this episode is a bit dicey. We knew Vincent and Alex were engaged. We knew that after Vincent's brothers died in the Towers, he was devastated and it was hinted that Alex kept Vincent from a "dark"place and it was hinted that "drugs" were involved...although the show never touched on that. Then we were told Vincent joined the military and left without telling Alex and the next thing we knew he was in Afghanistan and volunteered in the Muirfield Project. During this time we learned that Vincent wrote Alex love Letters and was planning a wedding. Then Vincent "died". Fast Forward 10 years, Vincent felt so bad about "leaving" Alex that he was willing to go off with her in hiding after he told her he was a Beast. Where dd all this stuff (in bold) come from? I've watched the Alex arc numerous times and none of this was ever suggested in those episodes. These "spoiler" tidbits were from an interview with either Jay or the writers, that I read a long time ago during the Alex arc. I would have to dig to find it....maybe someone has better knowledge of which interviews. That is why when Alex was stealing drugs for the clinic, we thought there was going to be some reference in the episode but there wasn't.
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Post by ArwenFan on Nov 6, 2013 19:48:49 GMT -5
Now that was seriously funny. Thanks for the laugh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 20:35:59 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of the post in regards to this episode both the positive and the negative perspectives. I understand the frustrations that some are feeling at this point. Not here to argue a point or anything, but I read a review of this episode that stated the writer of this EP is new to BATB and I think new to writing in general. Also it was a guy and i think he is a young guy at that. When I read that I had a new perspective on this episode. I am going to give this one a pass and hope that TPTB learn from all the mistakes that have been pointed out and that very shortly get this program back on track. The moments between Vincent and Catherine are what got me hooked on this show last year, those moments are few and far apart right now. This makes matters worse. If you hand over an episode to a green writer, someone should be in charge of supervising that writer and reworking the part of the script doesn't work. You just don't give a new (and possibly untested writer) carte blanche to do whatever he or she wants. And if you do, you're bat-sh!t crazy and need to fired yourself. Seriously, WTF?!? Couldn't agree more! WTF, indeed!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 20:45:34 GMT -5
I liked how Cat wants 'me time' and was so excited when her friends came to the door. It made me think she was a happy teenager. 1)The idea of Cat having a vincent memory moment was good, when her friends tell her something about herself that she didn't remember, but it was poorly realised, because it has already been stated her life changed so much when her mother was killed. This gives the impression she wasn't changed very much by the death of her mother.
I loved JT and Vincent bonding, there were no photos or talking about the past, just eating snacks and watching a game, such a guy moment. JT was awesome at the bar, he stepped up and put his hand on Zacks shoulder to calm him down even though he knew Zack could pic him up and throw him across the room. I think Vincent's started to see JT and Zack in a different light, neither was who he had thought them to be. When Vincent kept apologising and Cat said it wasn't his fault, he should've come clean, that some of it was his fault. Things started to get better between Vincent and Cat when they started talking just like s1. Vincent has plans to be with Cat after the missions are finished, and she didn't know this. Didn't have a problem with Gabriella. She may be one of those unfortunate girls that's falls in love a lot. She may have wanted an out, from a guy like Zack who seemed way to possessive. It was funny that Vincent's story with Gabriella was two years before Cat's graduation, making Cat about fifteen at the time. 2)The only thing I didn't like realising was Gabriella was a petite brunette barmaid, and on the night he first saved Cat, so was she. 1) I didn't understand what you meant with this.
2) I actually don't have any problem with that. Gabriela and Cat are very different physically despite the dark hair and VinCat's connection has nothing to do with her previous or current job.
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Post by Mycupoftea on Nov 6, 2013 21:15:24 GMT -5
I liked how Cat wants 'me time' and was so excited when her friends came to the door. It made me think she was a happy teenager. 1)The idea of Cat having a vincent memory moment was good, when her friends tell her something about herself that she didn't remember, but it was poorly realised, because it has already been stated her life changed so much when her mother was killed. This gives the impression she wasn't changed very much by the death of her mother.
I loved JT and Vincent bonding, there were no photos or talking about the past, just eating snacks and watching a game, such a guy moment. JT was awesome at the bar, he stepped up and put his hand on Zacks shoulder to calm him down even though he knew Zack could pic him up and throw him across the room. I think Vincent's started to see JT and Zack in a different light, neither was who he had thought them to be. When Vincent kept apologising and Cat said it wasn't his fault, he should've come clean, that some of it was his fault. Things started to get better between Vincent and Cat when they started talking just like s1. Vincent has plans to be with Cat after the missions are finished, and she didn't know this. Didn't have a problem with Gabriella. She may be one of those unfortunate girls that's falls in love a lot. She may have wanted an out, from a guy like Zack who seemed way to possessive. It was funny that Vincent's story with Gabriella was two years before Cat's graduation, making Cat about fifteen at the time. 2)The only thing I didn't like realising was Gabriella was a petite brunette barmaid, and on the night he first saved Cat, so was she. 1) I didn't understand what you meant with this.
2) I actually don't have any problem with that. Gabriela and Cat are very different physically despite the dark hair and VinCat's connection has nothing to do with her previous or current job. 1) I liked Cat's friends giving her a different perspective on herself, one that didn't tally-up with her own recollections. The memory the writer chose to use for this scene, that Cat had always liked Bad boy lame-ducks, didn't work for the character. It lessens the impact of Cats PTSD, after her mothers death she chose bad boys that she would never get too close to, or be heart broken at losing. It also detracts from the Vincat relationship, in saying "he is just her type". 2) I guess it just feeds in to the above "she's just his type". ( and possibly a few questions I have about s1e1 that have never really been answered.)
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Post by ckay on Nov 6, 2013 21:51:41 GMT -5
Now that was seriously funny. Thanks for the laugh. am unable to see the vid
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Post by crazyforv on Nov 6, 2013 22:04:55 GMT -5
Where dd all this stuff (in bold) come from? I've watched the Alex arc numerous times and none of this was ever suggested in those episodes. These "spoiler" tidbits were from an interview with either Jay or the writers, that I read a long time ago during the Alex arc. I would have to dig to find it....maybe someone has better knowledge of which interviews. That is why when Alex was stealing drugs for the clinic, we thought there was going to be some reference in the episode but there wasn't. I read the same thing, a long time ago but never mentioned it because I could not remember where I read it. If both of us recall exactly the same information, then we must have read it somewhere!
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Post by ArwenFan on Nov 6, 2013 22:42:33 GMT -5
These "spoiler" tidbits were from an interview with either Jay or the writers, that I read a long time ago during the Alex arc. I would have to dig to find it....maybe someone has better knowledge of which interviews. That is why when Alex was stealing drugs for the clinic, we thought there was going to be some reference in the episode but there wasn't. I read the same thing, a long time ago but never mentioned it because I could not remember where I read it. If both of us recall exactly the same information, then we must have read it somewhere! Ah. Well, I always say if it doesn't make it to the screen, it doesn't count. Canon is what we get and sadly, now we got this hot mess known as Reunion in the mix.
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Post by pippin on Nov 6, 2013 23:21:53 GMT -5
I read the same thing, a long time ago but never mentioned it because I could not remember where I read it. If both of us recall exactly the same information, then we must have read it somewhere! Ah. Well, I always say if it doesn't make it to the screen, it doesn't count. Canon is what we get and sadly, now we got this hot mess known as Reunion in the mix. It was in an interview Jay did with TVGuide: Jay Ryan: Vincent holds huge guilt toward the way he left Alex. We discover that before the military he spiraled into this dark state where he was addicted to medication, he was writing prescriptions on prescription pads and Alex nursed him out of that. When he couldn't handle that and the anger of his brother's death, he basically packed his bags without her even knowing. www.tvguide.com/news/beauty-beast-jay-ryan-1059465.aspx
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Post by dan on Nov 7, 2013 0:47:43 GMT -5
Everyone `s talking abt Vincent only.....this was supposed to be Cat centric episode..she got robbed. Can someone ask them when will Cat centric epsiodes will begin? even if they say it`ll start on the back half i`m still not sure because last season they promised the same thing and somehow it was all back to Vincent again. Are the male writers don`t want to write for Cat? they obviously like vincent more?@#*^ Dan it's been 5 eps. I think with the reveal of her dad (as underwhelming as it was) will be the catalyst for the story to shift to Cat. I think we should all be patient. I want to ask, are you only here for the Cat story? KK was the reason i started to get interested in batb, and watched the pilot i loved that she was the central of the story, and i didn`t even Vincent and his storyline, but as the season went on Vincent role kept getting bigger and bigger than Cat. I know he`s the lead too BUT i do mind that his storyline always the center of the show`s main arc. Basically, every character even Cat, revolves around him. Here how it goes: they always gave the main storyarc to Vincent and Cat`s story mainly revolved on how she reacted or how she was gonna deal or help Vincent`s storyline which always the core of every episode. In Short, she was more of a supporting character than him. Now the middle of last season, they said Cat would be having more role on the back half BUT as you all knew, it was about another beast and more of Vincent`s endless drama. I wouldn`t mind the occasional dose of Vincent as long as it doesn`t keep overshadowing Cat`s storyline. Probably i believe she`ll be getting more arc next couple episodes but i don`t trust Vincent will not gonna still their #1 priority and his storyline will always be their focus especially since these male writers seem to only want to write for him more!
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Post by Mycupoftea on Nov 7, 2013 1:19:35 GMT -5
But it was my understanding up until tonight, that he really left her when he left to join the army. Later, somehow they reconnected through letters/phone calls whatever. This is based on the impression I got during season 1. So, yes, they were on a break, and yes, he had some sort of a fling during that time. JT is there in Reunion to verify this part of the story. The love letters, obviously, came later. Here is where the confusion apparently lies. From reading the letters V sent to Alex in 1x10, I was under the opposite impression. I believed they were still together, even though he signed up for the military without talking it over with her first. It was a snap decision on his part to enlist after 9/11, and he didn't include her in it. But in the letters we were shown in 1x10, he told Alex that he loved her, that she was his fiancé, and that some of the guys were (not a direct quote here) wanting to come to their upcoming wedding. The writers keep changing their minds about what they want to be true about these characters. It is confusing and inconsistent. If they portrayed certain things as absolutes in season 1, they need to try to keep to that. I'm all for adding new viewers, but not at the expense of losing your previous, dedicated ones.
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Post by Mycupoftea on Nov 7, 2013 1:26:26 GMT -5
Between Vincent joining and being deployed it could have been a year. If he started writing to Alex in Afghanistan, after he was shot the first time the brake could have been 12 to 18 months or more.
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Nov 7, 2013 1:49:55 GMT -5
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Nov 7, 2013 2:03:19 GMT -5
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 7, 2013 2:47:06 GMT -5
Link doesn't work for me...
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