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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Mar 8, 2013 2:56:41 GMT -5
This episode is T-O-R-T-U-R-E!! Not counting the Cat parts...I didn't like Alex then and I don't like her now...Although it's more bearable knowing the outcome of Tough Love LOL... My point um...the towel scene? EWWWWW! But I believe that we will get a totally different reaction from Vincent WHEN Catherine starts undressing in FRONT of him! Who knows maybe he helps her! Dear GOD, I am so in the gutter! How did I get from Alex towel to Vincent undressing Catherine?
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Post by summer on Mar 8, 2013 8:53:27 GMT -5
Got to say .... that was soooo PAINFUL and soooo glad it is OVER!!! ..... now bring on "Any Means Possible" cause we have SUFFERED enough! .... Please?
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Post by jeje on Mar 8, 2013 11:19:24 GMT -5
That episode was worse watching it the 2nd time. Ugh Alex and Vincent were so annoying and it just reminded of how rude and inconsiderate Vincent was to Cat. I seriously just wanted to slap him the whole episode and be like 'wake up!'
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Post by senora kent on Mar 9, 2013 9:33:08 GMT -5
i know right yolyco, summer and jeje??! i mean seriously tho episode 10-12 wanna make me <edited> slap Vincent hard. like he's a different person from when we saw him in the Pilot till episode 9. thank God this arc is over. and i vote for a scene where we get to see Vincent caught Cat in towel before the actual make love scene lol xD
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Post by ArwenFan on Mar 21, 2013 14:25:34 GMT -5
<edited> slap Vincent? Seriously? LOL
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 21, 2013 21:58:17 GMT -5
Since you asked nicely! LOL Okay I'm going on a limb here but the JT line in this episode about Catherine doing the right thing? The idea of that line would have to come from previous interactions with Vincent,JT and Catherine. There is one instance that JT is in front of V&C while they are having such convo... TRAPPED:Case in point : In that same episode JT and Catherine join forces 'to make things right'...How many times hasn't JT seen Catherine trying to do things right? And then this: Cause of the convo and well I like the song LOL JT grasps the way Catherine is through Vincent and by being around her too.. ... After Seeing Red when Catherine tells him to figure out if he loved Alex must have been mentioned to JT by Vincent it's what room mates, brothers do... Also remember sometimes when you are on the outside of a relationship you see MORE then the actual people IN the relationship.. JT knew that Catherine's feelings for Vincent were more then just friends...People can tell this...Sometimes FIRST then the parties envolved themselves. JT knew what Catherine was feeling as Vincent's feelings BUT he knew that *both* of them had to figure it out on their own.So in other words JT said that cause he *knew* Catherine wanted to make sure that Vincent was sure of who he wanted by doing the right thing and giving him space to figure things out on his own. I know I might not be making much sense cause it's hard to explain what I mean sometimes LOL Since nothing was ever really written or seen through any paticular episodes that is how I came to that conclusion. Considering that many gaps were left during season 1 be it cause of lack of time, writing or editing. Once again what is done is done LOL..My mind has it set it happened this way it's the only logical thing I can think of I'm waiting on your take! LOL I'm sure it's going to be an interesting one! BTW my dear..I agree with you on believing the 'Vincent trying to do the right thing' ..Although it was lame excuse it is who Vincent is
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Post by ArwenFan on Jun 21, 2013 22:35:57 GMT -5
Since you asked nicely! LOL Okay I'm going on a limb here but the JT line in this episode about Catherine doing the right thing? The idea of that line would have to come from previous interactions with Vincent,JT and Catherine. There is one instance that JT is in front of V&C while they are having such convo... TRAPPED:" All this time I idolized her and I didn't even know who she was....I have to make this right." In that same episode JT and Catherine join forces 'to make things right'...How many times hasn't JT seen Catherine trying to do things right? JT grasps the way Catherine is through Vincent and by being around her too.. ... After Seeing Red when Catherine tells him to figure out if he loved Alex must have been mentioned to JT by Vincent it's what room mates, brothers do... Also remember sometimes when you are on the outside of a relationship you see MORE then the actual people IN the relationship.. JT knew that Catherine's feelings for Vincent were more then just friends...People can tell this...Sometimes FIRST then the parties envolved themselves. JT knew what Catherine was feeling as Vincent's feelings BUT he knew that *both* of them had to figure it out on their own.So in other words JT said that cause he *knew* Catherine wanted to make sure that Vincent was sure of who he wanted by doing the right thing and giving him space to figure things out on his own. I know I might not be making much sense cause it's hard to explain what I mean sometimes LOL Since nothing was ever really written or seen through any paticular episodes that is how I came to that conclusion. Considering that many gaps were left during season 1 be it cause of lack of time, writing or editing. Once again what is done is done LOL..My mind has it set it happened this way it's the only logical thing I can think of I'm waiting on your take! LOL I'm sure it's going to be an interesting one! BTW my dear..I agree with you on believing the 'Vincent trying to do the right thing' ..Although it was lame excuse it is who Vincent is When you explain it like that it makes perfect sense. You are right in that life does go on for the characters that we are not privy to for whatever reason, and yes, I agree with you that Vincent talks to JT about his feelings/relationship with Catherine. That's another thing I love about Vincent. He's not one of these stoic, macho, man of few words kind of dudes. I'm thinking back to the whole pregnancy scare. Vincent certainly told JT about that. LOL And thanks for tripping me up by moving this discussion to the proper thread.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 21, 2013 22:37:31 GMT -5
I changed the post a bit..made it visual LOL..I know I have too much time on my hands ..I look over and try to make sense of EVERYTHING
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jun 22, 2013 8:13:03 GMT -5
O.K., ArwenFan and Yolie, I do agree that Vincent's character would "do the right thing;" and that this excuse is true to his nature. What is "lame" about the situation really isn't the "do the right thing" excuse. Now that I think about it, the "lame" statement is really about how Vincent appears to let go of Catherine and his feelings for her so easily in an attempt to rectify his actions and assuage his guilt. Face it, Vincent was borderline rude to Catherine through this arc. He traded one bad move for another -- he denied the fact that he couldn't start over with Alex without telling her the truth (fantasy!) AND denied his true feelings for Catherine all at the same time (fantasy again!).
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 22, 2013 8:51:03 GMT -5
^ Totally agree about the fantasy he was in..LOL..He truly was an arse to Catherine and didn't think for a minute how she would feel or better yet he didn't care..He was totally being selfish and thinking of himself and the fantasy he made up! Oh to quote the MAN JT "You're in LALA LAND DUDE!"
That's why that bugged me..first they say is cause he wanted to do the right thing..then he tells Catherine in Trust No One that he wanted to live this fantasy ...SO which was it? I blame the writers but we all know this by now LOL
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Post by xraygirl on Jun 22, 2013 10:21:43 GMT -5
^ Totally agree about the fantasy he was in..LOL..He truly was an arse to Catherine and didn't think for a minute how she would feel or better yet he didn't care..He was totally being selfish and thinking of himself and the fantasy he made up! Oh to quote the MAN JT "You're in LALA LAND DUDE!" That's why that bugged me.. first they say is cause he wanted to do the right thing..then he tells Catherine in Trust No One that he wanted to live this fantasy ...SO which was it? I blame the writers but we all know this by now LOL Maybe it was a bit of both. Don't get me wrong, the Alex arc still makes me a little queasy to watch. I'm no great fan of it or how Vincent behaved but, to be fair, it was a confusing time for all involved. No matter what he did, someone was going to be hurt and Vincent hates that. Hates hurting anyone. I think he was trying to do the right thing for everyone, including himself...make it up to Alex for disappearing, keep JT and Cat safe and let them off the hook from protecting him and give himself some form of his previous life. In order to do that he had to create a fantasy in which it would all work out. What kept holding him back? His feelings for Catherine. Look how pained he was when he asked "Would you?". He was afraid of the answer. He was afraid she would say no. Yes, he completely messed up but in the end, I liked him more for it. He's not perfect, he makes mistakes. I dunno, I guess it just makes him more real to me. More 'human', to quote the pilot.
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Post by ArwenFan on Jun 22, 2013 10:45:04 GMT -5
^ Totally agree about the fantasy he was in..LOL..He truly was an arse to Catherine and didn't think for a minute how she would feel or better yet he didn't care..He was totally being selfish and thinking of himself and the fantasy he made up! Oh to quote the MAN JT "You're in LALA LAND DUDE!" That's why that bugged me..first they say is cause he wanted to do the right thing..then he tells Catherine in Trust No One that he wanted to live this fantasy ...SO which was it? I blame the writers but we all know this by now LOL I see both your points, lilbit and yolie. Really and truly, I do. The thing is emotions are messy, especially when one is confronted with an old love and a new love at the same time. Never mind there is a healthy dose of guilt in Vincent's psychological makeup. He feels guilty for dumping Alex and he feels guilty about having such a negative impact (his perception) on Catherine's life. I firmly believe that it isn't an either/or situation, it is quite possible that he felt both those things and much, much more. Vincent is very conflicted throughout this arc and I give kudos to JR for the subtle shading in his performance reflecting this. A lot of times when Vincent's lips were moving I was thinking, who is he trying to convince; whoever he's talking to at the time or himself? Another thing that I think tipped the scale in Alex's favor is she came across as emotionally wounded and fragile. I mean come on! She thought Vincent was dead for ten years and she's STILL walking around with this enormous torch for him? And then there's my point that characters can never seem to get their points made because someone is always interrupting. When Vincent went to Catherine's I think it was with the intent of settling things between them (getting back to where they were before the accident and shooting), but Catherine was quick to cut him off and brush the moment aside in an attempt to protect herself. And Alex's ill-timed phone call did not help matters. After that, Catherine gave Vincent the impression that she was already out the door emotionally and gives him the opportunity to drag up his history with Alex yet again. By the time Catherine admitted that loved him and was ready to fight for him (a fantastic scene, BTW), Vincent had pretty much decided to go along with "doing the right thing" by making up for his earlier treatment of Alex and "living the fantasy" by running away to some obscure part of the world where (hopefully) Muirfield wouldn't find him and everyday life wouldn't provoke him and he could get back to practicing medicine (a profession he clearly loved). I can see him rationalizing that no matter what he felt for her, Catherine would be better off without him in her life, and that of the two women, she was the stronger and more resourceful. She would put him in the rear view mirror of her life and get on with it. Catherine wouldn't be caught dead mourning some long lost love ten years later. Thoughts?
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Post by xraygirl on Jun 22, 2013 11:12:03 GMT -5
^ Totally agree about the fantasy he was in..LOL..He truly was an arse to Catherine and didn't think for a minute how she would feel or better yet he didn't care..He was totally being selfish and thinking of himself and the fantasy he made up! Oh to quote the MAN JT "You're in LALA LAND DUDE!" That's why that bugged me..first they say is cause he wanted to do the right thing..then he tells Catherine in Trust No One that he wanted to live this fantasy ...SO which was it? I blame the writers but we all know this by now LOL I see both your points, lilbit and yolie. Really and truly, I do. The thing is emotions are messy, especially when one is confronted with an old love and a new love at the same time. Never mind there is a healthy dose of guilt in Vincent's psychological makeup. He feels guilty for dumping Alex and he feels guilty about having such a negative impact (his perception) on Catherine's life. I firmly believe that it isn't an either/or situation, it is quite possible that he felt both those things and much, much more. Vincent is very conflicted throughout this arc and I give kudos to JR for the subtle shading in his performance reflecting this. A lot of times when Vincent's lips were moving I was thinking, who is he trying to convince; whoever he's talking to at the time or himself? Another thing that I think tipped the scale in Alex's favor is she came across as emotionally wounded and fragile. I mean come on! She thought Vincent was dead for ten years and she's STILL walking around with this enormous torch for him? And then there's my point that characters can never seem to get their points made because someone is always interrupting. When Vincent went to Catherine's I think it was with the intent of settling things between them (getting back to where they were before the accident and shooting), but Catherine was quick to cut him off and brush the moment aside in an attempt to protect herself. And Alex's ill-timed phone call did not help matters. After that, Catherine gave Vincent the impression that she was already out the door emotionally and gives him the opportunity to drag up his history with Alex yet again. By the time Catherine admitted that loved him and was ready to fight for him (a fantastic scene, BTW), Vincent had pretty much decided to go along with "doing the right thing" by making up for his earlier treatment of Alex and "living the fantasy" by running away to some obscure part of the world where (hopefully) Muirfield wouldn't find him and everyday life wouldn't provoke him and he could get back to practicing medicine (a profession he clearly loved). I can see him rationalizing that no matter what he felt for her, Catherine would be better off without him in her life, and that of the two women, she was the stronger and more resourceful. She would put him in the rear view mirror of her life and get on with it. Catherine wouldn't be caught dead mourning some long lost love ten years later. Thoughts? :Ilovu:Yeah! Yeah! This!! What she said!! How come you always say what I'm thinking better than me, ArwenFan?? It's creepy. It's like you're inside my head and I gotta keep shaking it until you fall outta my ear or something!! Only one small caveat- Now that they're together, my little shipper heart does believe Catherine would still mourn Vincent 10 years later. Hopeless. I know it. I'm hopeless.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 22, 2013 16:55:12 GMT -5
I have so much to say but I'm not on my computer at the moment but I had to just say now that I agree with xraygirl in the she would still mourn him ten years later....A much longer post for both later.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 22, 2013 23:28:11 GMT -5
^ Totally agree about the fantasy he was in..LOL..He truly was an arse to Catherine and didn't think for a minute how she would feel or better yet he didn't care..He was totally being selfish and thinking of himself and the fantasy he made up! Oh to quote the MAN JT "You're in LALA LAND DUDE!" That's why that bugged me..first they say is cause he wanted to do the right thing..then he tells Catherine in Trust No One that he wanted to live this fantasy ...SO which was it? I blame the writers but we all know this by now LOL I see both your points, lilbit and yolie. Really and truly, I do. The thing is emotions are messy, especially when one is confronted with an old love and a new love at the same time. Never mind there is a healthy dose of guilt in Vincent's psychological makeup. He feels guilty for dumping Alex and he feels guilty about having such a negative impact (his perception) on Catherine's life. I firmly believe that it isn't an either/or situation, it is quite possible that he felt both those things and much, much more. Vincent is very conflicted throughout this arc and I give kudos to JR for the subtle shading in his performance reflecting this. A lot of times when Vincent's lips were moving I was thinking, who is he trying to convince; whoever he's talking to at the time or himself? Another thing that I think tipped the scale in Alex's favor is she came across as emotionally wounded and fragile. I mean come on! She thought Vincent was dead for ten years and she's STILL walking around with this enormous torch for him? And then there's my point that characters can never seem to get their points made because someone is always interrupting. When Vincent went to Catherine's I think it was with the intent of settling things between them (getting back to where they were before the accident and shooting), but Catherine was quick to cut him off and brush the moment aside in an attempt to protect herself. And Alex's ill-timed phone call did not help matters. After that, Catherine gave Vincent the impression that she was already out the door emotionally and gives him the opportunity to drag up his history with Alex yet again. By the time Catherine admitted that loved him and was ready to fight for him (a fantastic scene, BTW), Vincent had pretty much decided to go along with "doing the right thing" by making up for his earlier treatment of Alex and "living the fantasy" by running away to some obscure part of the world where (hopefully) Muirfield wouldn't find him and everyday life wouldn't provoke him and he could get back to practicing medicine (a profession he clearly loved). I can see him rationalizing that no matter what he felt for her, Catherine would be better off without him in her life, and that of the two women, she was the stronger and more resourceful. She would put him in the rear view mirror of her life and get on with it. Catherine wouldn't be caught dead mourning some long lost love ten years later. Thoughts? When JT and Vincent had that talk after the Alex towel insident .. I saw conflict in Vincent...He was *totally* confused. I got that he was in termoil as what he had to do and wanted to do. ..So I know where you xraygirl and arwenfan are coming from. In m yoriginal post when I first saw this episode when it aired..I was ONE if not the first to say that the end convo when Vincent said "Would you?" I sensed and could see NOT only fear for her to say no but the wish that she would say yes. So I get what you guys are saying...I just wish it would have been clearer and that Vincent wouldn't have been such an ass trying to come to the final conclusion that Catherine was who *he* wanted all along. I also believe that Catherine would have moruned him 10 years later...She was already distraught in the episode cause she was losing him and didn't understand why. <--- her own words to the shrink! So the same way she struggles with the loss of her mother she would have done the same for him. Just my 2 cents..is it worth that? LOL
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