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Post by curly on Jan 25, 2013 0:02:22 GMT -5
Not sure its weird that he couldn't do it the night before with Catherine.
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Post by Fire And Ice on Jan 25, 2013 0:10:16 GMT -5
So. What's up with Vincent being able to control the beast so well an so fast? That was a plot point tied up in a nice little bow, no? Is it part of his mutating DNA that's for the better? I didn't like it...This is how I felt about it: Okay, so, like an hour ago...you couldn't stop being a beast when Cat was bleeding out by her car, but suddenly, to save Alex - you got this? Really? Really, Vincent? I do want him to an extent to have better control and the night vision was like ok, I guess. I mean most animals see better at night. I wasn't that impressed with it. But cool. Whatever. I just hate Vincent right now. He pretty much disses Cat while in the hospital for liking him and in this episode semi-accuses her of being into beastiality...because he's turning more animal-like...yet, that didn't stop him with Alex....ok. Continuity isn't this show's strong part. Sure. But then at the end he's all "Why don't you like me more?" WHAT?!!! Cat, can you not say, "D-bag, maybe I'm not liking you so much is because you say you like me but you just got done mouth raping another woman?!!!" Vincent wants Cat to be assertive? Um, if Alex's type of psycho obsession is Vincent's type then Vincent's got serious issues that pre-date his brothers dying in the towers. Vincent, you like the girl? Um, you pretty much have been pushing her away at every turn and lying to her all frickin' day. Don't kiss another woman. You like Cat?! You love her? KISS CAT!! And for God's sake, grovel. You tongued another woman, dude. You should be begging Cat to be with you.
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Post by hcastro on Jan 25, 2013 0:12:50 GMT -5
Ok..watching now. Great intense scene in the beginning with Evan saving Catherine's life...very well done. Loved seeing Heather getting all emotional over Catherine, very sweet. So, the hospital scene between VinCat was nice...and I'm so happy they actually kept the line with Cat saying she accepts all of what he is. Argh, stupid Ex with her nails on the chalkboard voice!!!!!!! Why the hell did Vincent just tear off his mask there, pretty stupid for someone trying to hide from the public. Why not wait until you are out of the hospital for goodness sakes...
Vincent is a freakin LIAR...WTF??? Tell her the damn truth, you moron. Just a "handler", seriously? I can't let that freakin get out of my head, that makes me hurt for Cat. So just as I suspected might happen, Catherine finds out about the Ex through her own, without Vincent telling her. Just lovely. I guess I'm in for a treat later when she rummages through Ex's apartment finding letters/pictures or whatever. Not even 20 minutes into this eppy and already hating on Vincent.
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jan 25, 2013 0:17:58 GMT -5
Welcome xswtmizeryx!! Love your thoughts SUZIE...is the wine doing its job tonight, darling? HAHAHAHAHA............no I'm totally sober, actually had caffeine!! I must say, I like the idea that Vincent's new night vision ability was cool. His "at will" beasting out was now evident. Alex is still very needy.......I can't seem to feel sympathy for her. I want to give her credit for holding on to that past love. I think Bridget did a very emotional scene in the car with Vincent. Evan, my new Hero,.......and J.T..........love it! The last scene between Vincent and Catherine............as heartbreaking as it was........it was a fantastic performance between Jay and Kristin. For some reason, Vincent "blaming" Catherine for not moving forward didn't piss me off as much as when I heard about it ahead of time. I thought it was unfair for him to accuse her of going for him because he was the "ultimate" bad boy. And Cat admitting her faults, but she was strong enough to admit them and strong enough to make Vincent face his feelings. She is the MAN!! Seriously, she has a BIG heart and is thinking of his feelings because she SAW that he still had them. I wish she had given him a bit of snark..........but seeing tears in Vincent's eyes and seeing Catherine's eyes.........well, I didn't want to see anger. This whole storyline, IMO, is painful.........to make us suffer through it for 4 stinkin' episodes is torture. But, I will ride this thing out.....but I can't think how they will make me root for Vincent again. I honestly, don't like how he was a JERK to Catherine........I don't like the Lies! Really, a very BIG mistake. Jay and Kristin.........just amped up the chemistry......I could really feel the heartache and emotion. Not looking forward to more of the Ex. Alex.! I agree with others that said that all the spoilers we got was some serious damage control...........and for good reason. I think they went overboard with this storyline. We will see how it plays out, I just hope I feel the same way about VinCat when Episode 13 rolls around. Now I am thinking about the spoilers we got for a later episode that uses the word "ultimatum"............I definitely don't like this!!
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Post by elle on Jan 25, 2013 0:28:41 GMT -5
I would like the writers to explain how we ever are going to root for Vincent again. So disappointed what they did to his character in just one episode. I guess they would say to keep watching!
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Post by soldiervincent on Jan 25, 2013 0:32:24 GMT -5
Ok, girls, don't kill me, all right? I like it. I understood everything that was passing through Vincent's head. He was totally caught by surprise by Alex. And he's still very insecure about Cat. Okay, he lied to Alex about Cat and he lied to Cat about Alex, but how would you handle this whole mess? At the end of the day, he went back to Cat, begging her - with tears in his eyes, guys, come on - to move forward and she holds back and tell him that he has to go find if he still loves the ugly redhead. I understand Cat. She's hurt and untrusting. But she has to jump in sometime. And the worst part is that she knows that. Alex is really not a threat. She's weak and needy and she's just as messed up like Cat and Vincent. She needs closure. And Vincent needs closure. It is clear to me that Vincent still cares about her, but he doesn't love her anymore. He's just too confuse and too afraid to be left hanging by Cat. I don't know. I tried and tried, but I couldn't hate him.
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Post by soldiervincent on Jan 25, 2013 0:36:00 GMT -5
So. What's up with Vincent being able to control the beast so well an so fast? That was a plot point tied up in a nice little bow, no? Is it part of his mutating DNA that's for the better? Yes. Remember, he had a flash when he went to see Cat at the hospital? Only after that he started to change. My guess is that the mutation is making him have more control. He took Vanessa's serum so those mutations must be a result from it.
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Post by Fire And Ice on Jan 25, 2013 0:37:25 GMT -5
So well said Fire and Ice and asalb. Glad to know I am not the only one who is disappointed in this episode. It seemed so disconnected from Bridesmaid Up, it didn't make sense to me. How did we go from that amazing dance and the confessions at the hospital between Vincent and Catherine at the beginning of the episode, to suddenly Vincent lying about Catherine, throwing all caution out the window to be with Alex after not doing so for 10 years, then blaming their lack of a relationship on Cat? And how he had that embrace and kiss with Alex, knowing Catherine saw it, then he just shows up at her place like nothing happened. He also knew Catherine was hurt again, but leaves her to fend for herself and goes after Alex. That was very unBeast like. He's been keeping tabs on her for 10 years! And protecting her recently too, this time she was on her own. It just didn't make sense after the first 9 episodes, knowing how cautious and guarded Vincent has been, that suddenly he thinks Catherine should have been more aggressive with him? Again, that confuses me. I am sadly not really looking forward to more of this next week. I wanted to love it, but really didn't like it at all. Sorry if I just reiterated what's already been said, just so glad to vent! but I'm happy to have found this forum! First off, welcome elle!! If you hate Valex, you may want to check out my Tumblr. I posted some of that stuff on here, but truly, there is something about GIFs that is very therapeutic. Tumblr: thejacki.tumblr.comI will be documenting all the Valex trauma... It also has some of my early posts, which are on here in the spoilers thread for this episode, but it's a big thread so... yeah. But if you need to laugh, check out the Valex specific threads on my tumblr. Just search the Valex tags on my blog. --- Secondly, I think a lot of us are frustrated with how disconnected this episode feels to the rest of the show. I think oa said it best, it's like we fell into an alternate universe.
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Post by hcastro on Jan 25, 2013 0:40:53 GMT -5
Geez, the JT/Cat phone conversation...TMI much?? Let's just twist the knife harder JT why don't you? Not feeling sympathy for the Ex at this time...agree with others that she comes across as whiny and needy so far. And she calls him Vince?? PUKE!!! Damn, I love CAT!!! Such a brave and heroic woman. How the heck did she get to Alex so fast? She's obviously in pain and yet she saves Ex's life. Oh no...I'm at the part where Catherine looks at the pictures/letters from Vincent...Heartbeaking... Vincent's "handler"...freakin hate that. And how awkward is this Alex-Vincent- Alex meeting? Hating on Vincent right now..he's a big jerk and liar so far in this episode. Loving Evan so far...you can see that he really cares about her.
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Post by elle on Jan 25, 2013 0:45:30 GMT -5
Thank you for your link Fire and Ice! I will definitely take comfort in your snark!!!
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jan 25, 2013 0:46:57 GMT -5
Geez, the JT/Cat phone conversation...TMI much?? Let's just twist the knife harder JT why don't you? Not feeling sympathy for the Ex at this time...agree with others that she comes across as whiny and needy so far. And she calls him Vince?? PUKE!!! Damn, I love CAT!!! Such a brave and heroic woman. How the heck did she get to Alex so fast? She's obviously in pain and yet she saves Ex's life. Oh no...I'm at the part where Catherine looks at the pictures/letters from Vincent...Heartbeaking... Vincent's "handler"...freakin hate that. And how awkward is this Alex-Vincent- Alex meeting? Hating on Vincent right now..he's a big jerk and liar so far in this episode. Loving Evan so far...you can see that he really cares about her. Many of us are in this same camp hcastro........we need a name for this "loving Evan, hating Vincent, annoying Alex" camp!! Jacki, your tumblr is so funny! The snark will keep us sane, I tell you!
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Post by Vincent Keller on Jan 25, 2013 0:49:34 GMT -5
My opinion is a mash-up of these 2. They said it so well that I'm just quoting! soldiervincent, no one is going to kill you. Every opinion here is valid! Ok, girls, don't kill me, all right? I like it. I understood everything that was passing through Vincent's head. He was totally caught by surprise by Alex. And he's still very insecure about Cat. Okay, he lied to Alex about Cat and he lied to Cat about Alex, but how would you handle this whole mess? At the end of the day, he went back to Cat, begging her - with tears in his eyes, guys, come on - to move forward and she holds back and tell him that he has to go find if he still loves the ugly redhead. I understand Cat. She's hurt and untrusting. But she has to jump in sometime. And the worst part is that she knows that. Alex is really not a threat. She's weak and needy and she's just as messed up like Cat and Vincent. She needs closure. And Vincent needs closure. It is clear to me that Vincent still cares about her, but he doesn't love her anymore. He's just too confuse and too afraid to be left hanging by Cat. I don't know. I tried and tried, but I couldn't hate him. Welcome xswtmizeryx!! Love your thoughts SUZIE...is the wine doing its job tonight, darling? HAHAHAHAHA............no I'm totally sober, actually had caffeine!! I must say, I like the idea that Vincent's new night vision ability was cool. His "at will" beasting out was now evident. Alex is still very needy.......I can't seem to feel sympathy for her. I want to give her credit for holding on to that past love. I think Bridget did a very emotional scene in the car with Vincent. Evan, my new Hero,.......and J.T..........love it! The last scene between Vincent and Catherine............as heartbreaking as it was........it was a fantastic performance between Jay and Kristin. For some reason, Vincent "blaming" Catherine for not moving forward didn't piss me off as much as when I heard about it ahead of time. I thought it was unfair for him to accuse her of going for him because he was the "ultimate" bad boy. And Cat admitting her faults, but she was strong enough to admit them and strong enough to make Vincent face his feelings. She is the MAN!! Seriously, she has a BIG heart and is thinking of his feelings because she SAW that he still had them. I wish she had given him a bit of snark..........but seeing tears in Vincent's eyes and seeing Catherine's eyes.........well, I didn't want to see anger. This whole storyline, IMO, is painful.........to make us suffer through it for 4 stinkin' episodes is torture. But, I will ride this thing out.....but I can't think how they will make me root for Vincent again. I honestly, don't like how he was a JERK to Catherine........I don't like the Lies! Really, a very BIG mistake. Jay and Kristin.........just amped up the chemistry......I could really feel the heartache and emotion. Not looking forward to more of the Ex. Alex.! I agree with others that said that all the spoilers we got was some serious damage control...........and for good reason. I think they went overboard with this storyline. We will see how it plays out, I just hope I feel the same way about VinCat when Episode 13 rolls around. Now I am thinking about the spoilers we got for a later episode that uses the word "ultimatum"............I definitely don't like this!!
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Post by Hannah on Jan 25, 2013 0:52:27 GMT -5
Ok, girls, don't kill me, all right? I like it. I understood everything that was passing through Vincent's head. He was totally caught by surprise by Alex. And he's still very insecure about Cat. Okay, he lied to Alex about Cat and he lied to Cat about Alex, but how would you handle this whole mess? At the end of the day, he went back to Cat, begging her - with tears in his eyes, guys, come on - to move forward and she holds back and tell him that he has to go find if he still loves the ugly redhead. I understand Cat. She's hurt and untrusting. But she has to jump in sometime. And the worst part is that she knows that. Alex is really not a threat. She's weak and needy and she's just as messed up like Cat and Vincent. She needs closure. And Vincent needs closure. It is clear to me that Vincent still cares about her, but he doesn't love her anymore. He's just too confuse and too afraid to be left hanging by Cat. I don't know. I tried and tried, but I couldn't hate him. I guess you and me both can be hated in this forum because I totally agree with everything you said except for the ugly redhead..lol. Alex is gorgeous which makes it even more painful for Cat, and they have memories, and letters and a planned wedding! Ok, enough! I don't like that he called Cat her handler as suppose to girlfriend but then again is Cat his girlfriend because I am not sure myself..lol We have to weather 4 episodes with Alex and we will all be fine. VinCat will prevail. Hang in there!
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Post by Fire And Ice on Jan 25, 2013 0:56:36 GMT -5
Ok, girls, don't kill me, all right? I like it. I understood everything that was passing through Vincent's head. He was totally caught by surprise by Alex. And he's still very insecure about Cat. I'm not going to hate a fellow Beastie because they liked something I didn't. Okay, he lied to Alex about Cat and he lied to Cat about Alex, but how would you handle this whole mess? How would I handle it? Uhh, it's obvious... At the end of the day, he went back to Cat, begging her - with tears in his eyes, guys, come on - to move forward and she holds back and tell him that he has to go find if he still loves the ugly redhead. Was he crying? I have to go back and look at that. I didn't notice but maybe that's because I was like "Blah blah blah, you suck, Vincent. I hate you" whenever he opened his mouth. That being said, why should Cat being 100% secure with being with Vincent? He kissed another woman! Sure, there was a Cat/Evan kiss, but it was completely different AND it was before VinCat really became VinCat. Not to mention that Cat made it clear how she felt about the kiss and Evan. Vincent didn't offer Cat an explanation for the kiss OR grovel at her feet. Instead he acted like a cocky egomaniac who insults her in one breath and expects her to worship him in the next? What?! And some people are cool with this? Isn't it getting sad that our society is becoming accepting of guys being controlling, manipulative, and abusive? Because that's what Vincent was this entire episode. I understand Cat. She's hurt and untrusting. But she has to jump in sometime. And the worst part is that she knows that. soldiervincent, Cat has been hurt. It has caused her to have issues with trust. But can you blame her? (Vincent does.) That being said, she JUMPED! SHE JUMPED IN! Hello! Rewind. Hospital bedroom scene. All of Bridesmaid Up. She tells Vincent she accepts all of who he is and the next thing she knows, he's telling her she's an idiot for liking him, lying to her repeatedly, having secret meetings with his Ex, showing up at his Ex's apartment, telling his Ex that Cat means nothing to him, not caring at all about Cat's physical condition, mouth sexing his Ex.... What girl in their right mind is going to be like? *giggle* Okay, let's totally hook up now. OMG. I'm so glad you like me in this moment. Also, is it sick that my mocking girl voice sounds like Alex to me? Seriously that girl has issues!!! Cat has trust issues. But Vincent pretty much stabbed her in the heart all episode. I'm glad she was still strong enough to tell him to go. If it had been me, I would've risked more physical injury and tested Vincent's animal-like healing capabilities by shoving him out the window and off the frickin' fire escape. Then I would've called Evan up to patch me back up. If Evan was all "Who is that guy groaning in the alley?" I'd be like "Hmm? Oh, don't mind him. He's been dead for like 10 years now." Alex is really not a threat. She's weak and needy and she's just as messed up like Cat and Vincent. She needs closure. And Vincent needs closure. It is clear to me that Vincent still cares about her, but he doesn't love her anymore. He's just too confuse and too afraid to be left hanging by Cat. I don't know. I tried and tried, but I couldn't hate him. Alex is way more messed up. I think the girl needs to be locked away in a padded room forever. Closure? She went to his FUNERAL. What more closure did the girl need? Though the car scene was funny when Vincent was all "I thought you'd be married with 3 kids..." TRANSLATION: You're f'ing psycho!! UGH. I feel like I'm going to find some creepy shrine to me in your bedroom. And she's all "Who is that detective?!!" This is how it should've gone down... ALEX: Who is that detective? VINCENT: NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS! You psycho!!!! I ditched you over a decade ago. Do you have serious issues or what?! Move on. Get a life. Who knows. Maybe Vincent didn't tell Alex about his Cat feelings because he realizes Alex is a crazy chick who'd set fire to Cat's car.
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Post by debbyts on Jan 25, 2013 1:14:31 GMT -5
I am waiting for On Demand between 12 and 1 am central time it should be on . I saw the first 15 minutes and last 5 and preview. had to pick up a daughter from work. The previews alone are upsetting. I too have nothing against the actress who plays Alex. She takes off her clothes in front of Vincent. What a <edited>. WTF. very upset with this. I did not see the kiss yet. not looking forward to it. I heard that by episode 13 we will have a Vincat Kiss. But will it be good after all This BS on the show. Alex is whiney. Not as pretty as i expected. Cat is a Beauty with no doubt. And she has CLASS. But Alex sees him after 10 years and is ready to jump in the bed. NO CLASS. I hope the writers fix things in the next 3 shows. If they think we are going to put up with them stringing us along they got something coming. Still not sure what teh new power was but it should have been a esp type of power. where Catherine and Vincent can know what the other is thinking. that is more romantic and would help there bond together. When Catherine turned around knowing Vincent was at the Wedding waa what i thought they meant about hinting what the power would be. read that on the twitter Q and A thread. any way maybe the show will be on demand soon. i am sure it will be hard to sleep after getting upset with this show
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