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Post by evanarose on Jan 25, 2013 1:14:44 GMT -5
What an episode! More angsty, action-y and dramatic than the other episodes! It was a emotional roller coaster! One minute I'm like ggrrrr vincent And then feeling for Cat Especially that kiss... I think it came more from Alex... But Cats face said it all (Props to Kristin for that!) Loved the eyes, that was hot!
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Post by Fire And Ice on Jan 25, 2013 1:15:22 GMT -5
I would like the writers to explain how we ever are going to root for Vincent again. So disappointed what they did to his character in just one episode. I guess they would say to keep watching! They wouldn't say anything. The writers never answer questions, they just ask questions. And they are starting to get annoying with some of their posts... Some of their Tweets are condescending. Don't treat Beasties like we're a bunch of children or fangirls who can't cope in the real world. It's annoying. Or act like they are infallible. This S/L was a bad idea and is pointless to the progression of the show or its characters. Thank you for your link Fire and Ice! I will definitely take comfort in your snark!!! You're welcome!
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Post by soldiervincent on Jan 25, 2013 1:18:13 GMT -5
Especially that kiss... I think it came more from Alex... Totally agree. I didn't see Vincent kissing Alex. I saw Alex kissing Vincent. And not being very much corresponded.
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Post by vincentfan on Jan 25, 2013 1:21:11 GMT -5
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Post by xswtmizeryx on Jan 25, 2013 1:22:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome Vincent Keller.
I honestly didn't see the end scene as Vincent blaming Cat for them not moving forward. I saw it more his him pleading to give them a chance. He asked Cat what was wrong with them moving forward, and if I remember correctly he didn't bring up Alex, Cat did, which is understandable, it's her walls and she knew Alex was laying another brick for Vincent to bring down.
I agree that if I were in Vincent's shoes I probably would have lied too. For the simple fact that it was a past love and current love in the same orbit and when that happens you panic, which what Vincent did. Vincent protecting Alex is just who he is, he's protects innocent people because he doesn't want to be a monster. And I noticed Alex kissed Vincent, he didn't kiss her, he hugged her relived she was okay but as he was hugging her he was staring at Cat. And I know it's a small thing in the episode but I thought it spoke volumes, Cat told Vincent not to come to the hospital because it wasn't safe, but he didn't care for his own life, he went to Cat anyway. All he knew was it wasn't safe and Cat could be in danger. He let Alex be the bait, if he really was still in love with her there is no way he would have let her be bait, he would have found some other way to get the stalker.
As for Vincent and the whole Beast thing, I'm thinking that when he gets jealous or fears someone he cares about is in trouble he beasts out, cause correct me if I'm wrong he saw red (hence the epi title) right before he beasts out which happen to be when he felt someone he cared about was in trouble.
I think KK and JR know what the fans want and even if Cat and Vincent aren't where we want them to be on the show, KK and JR give us what we want in their chemistry, the way the look at each other in scenes (the longing between Vincent and Cat). That is what keeps me watching.
As for the rest of the show, I love the JT wants to protect Vincent. Evan I can't decide about him for the simple fact that he's out to get Vincent and has a thing for Cat. I really wish that they would have gone more in depth with Tess and Joe on the episode instead of just a mention.
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Post by Reyna on Jan 25, 2013 1:28:15 GMT -5
OMG Jackie, you are too funny, LOL. ITA with everything you just said. Have to agree with Suzie regarding the ending scene between VinCat. The ending scene did not piss me off as much as I originally thought it would either simply for the reason VinCat were calling each other out on their faults. Yet, once Vincent’s dumbass starts throwing around ultimatums, that is what is going to push Cat over the edge and cause her start to going “Cold Turkey” on him. Based on the spoilers we got for the Valentine’s Day episode, it does seem Vincent will be doing some major groveling in this episode.
Well-deserved if you ask me, as karma always has a funny way of catching up with you.
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Post by hcastro on Jan 25, 2013 1:28:27 GMT -5
Hmm, didn't like when Catherine got shot at and fell....she looked to be in real pain. And thanks Vincent for looking to see if she is alright, yeah he was in beast mode..but c'mon And here we go..Valex kiss..YUCK. So she initiated it and it wasn't all that hot, GOOD. I'm glad that Catherine didn't see that even though she saw the hug or whatever and knows for sure now there are still some feelings lingering between Vincent/Ex. KK's beautiful but sad, puppy dog eyes...always kill me....my heart breaks for her.
JT/Evan working together...can't wait to see how this turns out. I do like that Evan is getting more screen time too because I do like him. And so far, he's the only one that hasn't pissed me off in this episode...Cheers for Evan!!!
VinCat conversation....I like it. However, I don't like Vincent turning this Ex situation into a "it's Catherine's fault we aren't moving forward" thing. He hasn't been totally honest with her this whole episode and yet he turns it back on her saying it's because she's reluctant to move forward with him? Really?? This whole episode he was being a jerk and a liar. Look, I'm happy they had this conversation...all of this needed to be said. Cat needed to hear from Vincent that she has these issues of pushing people away when they get close. Glad that it is out in the open and even Catherine acknowledged it. I don't like Vincent acting like it's all her fault there is no progress in the relationship...it takes two to tango and he has been just as cautious and reluctant as she has been. They are both damaged goods and even before episode 9, it looked to me like Catherine was the one who was more aggressive in trying to start a relationship. He hasn't even made a move on her yet and it took 9 episodes for them to hold hands. And conveniently, Vincent NEVER had to tell Catherine about his Ex and how he left because "Catherine the Detective" found all of that out on her own. Thanks writers, what a copout!! And Vincent wants to move forward, really? Maybe you should think about being honest with Catherine about your unresolved feelings for your Ex first. And kudos to Catherine for being the bigger person and allowing him that space. According to the spoilers, Jay himself seems to think he's in fantasy land as he explores the relationship with his Ex...Good gawd, 3 more episodes of this vomit inducing storyline...
I'm really bummed that my fears about me hating on Vincent are coming into fruition. I'm disappointed in this storyline so far and I now know for damn sure all these upcoming VinCat spoilers were let out in order to ease the pain and suffering of VinCat fans. I'm sure the writers knew there would be a huge uproar over this, but those upcoming VinCat goodies won't win this fan back so easily. As far as I'm concerned, they have already damaged not only Vincent's character but VinCat as well. I've been saying this for a while now, but the PAYBACK better be huge. Just looking at next week's teaser makes me think the worse it yet to come. Alex sheds her towel and gets naked in front of Vincent...unbelievable. And agree with others that this Alex chick seems more crazy town than anything. Not only is she whiny and needy, she comes across as desperate as she tries to entice Vincent into what I'm presuming is sex even when he hasn't told her the whole truth about him. After 10 years and all the "secrets and lies", it's that easy to just jump in bed with him? Since Vincent seems to be acting a fool, maybe him and crazy girl deserve each other.
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Post by Fire And Ice on Jan 25, 2013 1:32:52 GMT -5
Geez, the JT/Cat phone conversation...TMI much?? Let's just twist the knife harder JT why don't you? Unfortunately, JT remembered the "trust" pact from episode 8... but lost all his damn common sense. He knows how Cat feels about Vincent, and how Vincent feels about Cat. Don't say that to Cat!!! Geeze. Not feeling sympathy for the Ex at this time...agree with others that she comes across as whiny and needy so far. And she calls him Vince?? PUKE!!! Either she's insane or she's a Muirfield agent... but I'm leaning towards insane. I want to think this is all an act because, surely, Vincent would've never gone for that type of girl, but I have no clue what is happening... Even Vincent was all "WTF. Why are you still hung up on me?!" Damn, I love CAT!!! Such a brave and heroic woman. How the heck did she get to Alex so fast? I think there's some worm hole or something just off camera. When a character is in peril, another character can step through it and suddenly be there to offer aid. We saw this in Bridesmaid Up when Vincent stepped through the worm hole to offer Cat some much needed assistance. She's obviously in pain and yet she saves Ex's life. Yeah, but that whole scenario was dumb. While I loved how brave Cat is, I was like "My goodness, is there not one redeeming quality for Alex?" She is all "Me-me-me-me-me-Vince-and-me-me-me-me-OMG-Vince-Vince-Vince-me-and-Vince." Cat could've seriously injured herself getting out to save Alex and she gets a cup of coffee for that? huh? Oh no...I'm at the part where Catherine looks at the pictures/letters from Vincent...Heartbeaking... This portion of the episode didn't really bother me so much... Maybe because I am a terrible photoshop critiquer when it comes to TV and movies. It amazes me how some of these people get work. I have a friend who has done amazing photoshop for a boxset for a TV show. I asked why so much looked cheesy and crummy. He said because studios think fans are stupid and won't really care about how good or bad a boxset looks or the photos on a show look. AND because of that they don't want to pay people who can do realistic photoshop. They just have someone slap two photos together sloppily and are like "Cool. Couple photo. Done." Vincent's "handler"...freakin hate that. And how awkward is this Alex-Vincent- Alex meeting? Hating on Vincent right now..he's a big jerk and liar so far in this episode. I know! Who is this? It's like the real Vincent was abducted by aliens and they left their weird clone jerk behind. Loving Evan so far...you can see that he really cares about her. Evan is the only character who really seems to care about Cat's physical well being in this episode. Heather started off great, but then spent the hospital time talking about herself. Seriously? Tess was OK. JT didn't seem concerned or phased at all. He just was like "Hey person who almost died, let me tell you that Vincent's having a rendevouz with his ex right now." Jacki, your tumblr is so funny! The snark will keep us sane, I tell you! Thanks, suzieq! I saw on Twitter someone was saying Vincent this episode had too much snark. And I wanted to be like, "Whoa, whoa. I think the actual word you're looking for is jerk. Don't be hating on snark." haha
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Post by Vincent Keller on Jan 25, 2013 1:43:03 GMT -5
Ok, girls, don't kill me, all right? I don't know. I tried and tried, but I couldn't hate him. I guess you and me both can be hated in this forum because I totally agree We have to weather 4 episodes with Alex and we will all be fine. VinCat will prevail. Hang in there! ^ No one's going to hate anyone. We're a BATB family and it's okay to be mad at Vincent, just like it's okay to NOT be mad at him. No one's going to be the "black sheep" because of his/her opinion.
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Post by Reyna on Jan 25, 2013 1:43:16 GMT -5
Hmm, didn't like when Catherine got shot at and fell....she looked to be in real pain. And thanks Vincent for looking to see if she is alright, yeah he was in beast mode..but c'mon And here we go..Valex kiss..YUCK. So she initiated it and it wasn't all that hot, GOOD. I'm glad that Catherine didn't see that even though she saw the hug or whatever and knows for sure now there are still some feelings lingering between Vincent/Ex. KK's beautiful but sad, puppy dog eyes...always kill me....my heart breaks for her. JT/Evan working together...can't wait to see how this turns out. I do like that Evan is getting more screen time too because I do like him. And so far, he's the only one that hasn't pissed me off in this episode...Cheers for Evan!!! VinCat conversation....I like it. However, I don't like Vincent turning this Ex situation into a "it's Catherine's fault we aren't moving forward" thing. He hasn't been totally honest with her this whole episode and yet he turns it back on her saying it's because she's reluctant to move forward with him? Really?? This whole episode he was being a jerk and a liar. Look, I'm happy they had this conversation...all of this needed to be said. Cat needed to hear from Vincent that she has these issues of pushing people away when they get close. Glad that it is out in the open and even Catherine acknowledged it. I don't like Vincent acting like it's all her fault there is no progress in the relationship...it takes two to tango and he has been just as cautious and reluctant as she has been. They are both damaged goods and even before episode 9, it looked to me like Catherine was the one who was more aggressive in trying to start a relationship. He hasn't even made a move on her yet and it took 9 episodes for them to hold hands. And conveniently, Vincent NEVER had to tell Catherine about his Ex and how he left because "Catherine the Detective" found all of that out on her own. Thanks writers, what a copout!! And Vincent wants to move forward, really? Maybe you should think about being honest with Catherine about your unresolved feelings for your Ex first. And kudos to Catherine for being the bigger person and allowing him that space. According to the spoilers, Jay himself seems to think he's in fantasy land as he explores the relationship with his Ex...Good gawd, 3 more episodes of this vomit inducing storyline... I'm really bummed that my fears about me hating on Vincent are coming into fruition. I'm disappointed in this storyline so far and I now know for damn sure all these upcoming VinCat spoilers were let out in order to ease the pain and suffering of VinCat fans. I'm sure the writers knew there would be a huge uproar over this, but those upcoming VinCat goodies won't win this fan back so easily. As far as I'm concerned, they have already damaged not only Vincent's character but VinCat as well. I've been saying this for a while now, but the PAYBACK better be huge. Just looking at next week's teaser makes me think the worse it yet to come. Alex sheds her towel and gets naked in front of Vincent...unbelievable. And agree with others that this Alex chick seems more crazy town than anything. Not only is she whiny and needy, she comes across as desperate as she tries to entice Vincent into what I'm presuming is sex even when he hasn't told her the whole truth about him. After 10 years and all the "secrets and lies", it's that easy to just jump in bed with him? Since Vincent seems to be acting a fool, maybe him and crazy girl deserve each other. ITA agree Hcastro.
Posted this in another thread ...
Not really understanding what TPTB hoped to accomplish from this stupid ass storyline, yet, out of all the barriers to separate VinCat, why would TPTB pick an ex-fiancée storyline to do it? Bottom line, Vincent can go ahead and be in his little fantasy world all he wants too, nevertheless, that still does not give him a free pass. JT and Catherine have put everything on the line for him, and now that Vincent has seen Alex, out of guilt he all of sudden wants to have a normal life with her, and rekindle their relationship, complete bull<edited> in my opinion.
I will be so glad when the Valentine’s Day episode gets here. Let me get this straight, has Vincent not been risking his identity with Cat all this time? Moreover, did Vincent not practically it make clear that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with Cat even if it meant as Vincent Zalinski? As for Cat being scared of Vincent mutating, of course she would be, who in their right mind would not be? If memory serves me correctly, Vincent was the one to pull away first correct. TPTB really are just insulting are intelligence now, especially if this is going to be Vincent’s excuse for turning to Alex.
Lastly, as for Vincent giving Cat an ultimatum, he has his nerve, especially if he is throwing Alex in her face. VinCat have not even had their first official kiss or date yet. Definitely would explain why Cat goes all “Cold Turkey” on his ass. Yet, I do have a feeling it will pay off in the end. However, TPTB really need to chill on the love triangles. Based on the most recent spoilers, we now have Evan/Brendan/Gabe as potential love interests for Cat.
Hell after watching this episode, I would be so perfectly content if Evan and Cat took their relationship up a notch. It would serve Mr. Jackass right. Sorry, jerk is too much of a nice word for Vincent right now.
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Post by Vincent Keller on Jan 25, 2013 1:44:34 GMT -5
I saw on Twitter someone was saying Vincent this episode had too much snark. And I wanted to be like, "Whoa, whoa. I think the actual word you're looking for is jerk. Don't be hating on snark." haha LOL! Love the snark!
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Post by elle on Jan 25, 2013 2:01:16 GMT -5
Small detail but I don't understand why Vincent's scar was hardly visible in this EP? Did I miss something?
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Post by Fire And Ice on Jan 25, 2013 2:19:45 GMT -5
Small detail but I don't understand why Vincent's scar was hardly visible in this EP? Did I miss something? I noticed that too! Yet, even though it was less visible, Alex saw it from very, very, very far away in the hospital. Or was that a continuity error? I mean she was all, to Cat "He has a scar" and Vincent didn't get that scar until after the war and his "death." So....... does Alex have super vision?
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Post by hcastro on Jan 25, 2013 2:42:27 GMT -5
Jacki, your snark was much needed tonight after this painful episode. And I totally agree with all your thoughts. Thanks for bringing it tonight, it makes me feel a lot better and I can go to bed soon feeling slightly less pissed off!!! And your tumblr rocks!!! Hilarious. Reyna, that "ultimatum" BS bugs me too. Jay seemed to suggest that he does give Catherine that ultimatum...but seriously?? He is no position to be demanding stuff from Catherine after he hasn't even been totally honest with Catherine about his feelings for his Ex nor has even really sat down and talked with her about the Ex period. In that last conversation they had, Catherine was the one to bring up the Ex. Seems like Vincent thought he could just sweep all that business under the rug. Just not liking this storyline at all, and I'm getting frustrated and disappointed with Vincent. And I agree, since Vincent is in "fantasy land" and having playdates with his Ex in the upcoming episode, I can totally see why she goes all "cold turkey" on "Vince"..... And despite my overall unhappiness for this episode, I was really impressed with the acting tonight by both Kristin and Jay. Kristin is sooooo darn good playing hurt, she seriously gets me teary eyed when she is in pain or hurting. She and Jay were both teary eyed during their conversation at the end, and it was beautiful and heartbreaking...they really did a good job there. I felt the emotions and my stomach was in knots and my heart was on the floor...tremendous acting from both of them. And despite the fact I didn't really like some of the conversation, I did see pain and hurt in Vincent/Jay's eyes and you could see that he does care a lot about Catherine...even if he's a big fat liar and jerk in my eyes right now. So..kudos to Jay/Kristin for that scene...they played that out beautifully.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jan 25, 2013 3:03:45 GMT -5
Very small detail: Why would a woman of sane mind have pictures and letters of an EX who supposedly has been dead for over 9 years in a closet? I don't mean stashed away, I mean out in the open as though she still obsesses over it? My opinion well I have two: 1. Either shes Merfield and it is a way to get Vincent to think she still loves him and hasn't moved on or 2. She is a crazy obsessed lunatic? I think there is SOMETHING about her that hasn't been revealed yet. So maybe it will be easy for Vincent to get his head out of his arse and see what a BIG mistake he did.
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