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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 5:25:30 GMT -5
I just saw the episode and I LOVED it!! All of it! Even JTnT and Gabe!! Shocking I know! I was laughing a LOT while watching it to the point where my sister asked me "What comedy are you watching?" It was great to see VinCat out of their element! The VinCat suburbia scenes were hilarious!! Kudos to Jay and Kristin!! Loved the scene when Catherine throws the newspaper at the bird and says "Shut up!" OMG loved Vincent talking to the fish!!! Loved Vincent throwing his arm around Catherine when their neighbour said he he and his wife had been married for 15 years! Loved the final VinCat scene!! My god their smiles after their kiss!! I agree with Yolie and Karen that this Catherine reminds me of S1 Catherine! She kicks *ss just like Vincent said!! Oh I almost forgot. ADORE the way Vincent says "I hate when she's right!" I would have liked to have seen them spend at least one day christening the place but it didn't ruin the ep for me And my post wouldn't be complete without me saying this. How handsome, how sexy, how droolworthy, how gorgeoys was Vincent? I have never seen him look better ( Im talking about the scenes without the cap! ) I feel this is the calm before the storm.
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Post by vickyd on Jun 23, 2014 5:31:18 GMT -5
Just my preliminary thoughts. I definitely need to re-watch it. A change in the air may not be what we liked. Agreed! Especially when Gabe is still lurking around. But total displacement of characters? Sorry but I raise my hand, excuse me, I want to object. Cat was so true to herself. She is a cop. A lifetime Newyorker. Owns a strong sense of justice. 'She doesn't need normal, her normal is being with him, figuring out with him' Rings any bells? (Ep. 114). For me it was s1 Cat. Plain and simple. And Vincent? He got his own taste of the 'normal' medicine. Fantasing and wishing for a future in a pool or a rooftop is one thing and realising that they will always be unconventional couple is another. That is who he is-saving people. At least not a doctor but as who he is. Vincent Keller- war hero, human, strong sense of morality. Not the strongest storyline episode but right in the middle of many loose ends but unless i'm totally misreading it serves a purpose. AMEN! (longest post ever?) :-P
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 5:43:29 GMT -5
And unless there is some reason that things have to have unfolded in two days, I don't know why they didn't either show them doing things together in the house more or if they didn't want to do that for some reason, at least say that a week or two had passed and that's why Cat would now be up before breakfast on her laptop or Vincent would be lounging on the couch trying to find something to watch on TV instead of being with Cat doing the dishes. I don't think the theme of VinCat not being able to stay out of trouble or not being able to handle "normal" would have been lessened if a week, two weeks or a month had even passed. This was my initial thought but the more I think about it the more I see that VinCat were going to find it strange right away being far from action and the city. They have always been on the run so for them to have this sudden move to quiet boring suburbia is going to be an instant shock to them. We also need to remember that during the final VinCat scene, both Vincent and Catherine didn't rule out living far from the city and leading 'normal' lives but they both know it's not the right time yet.
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Post by kiki09 on Jun 23, 2014 5:56:09 GMT -5
I just saw the episode and I LOVED it!! All of it! Even JTnT and Gabe!! Shocking I know! I feel this is the calm before the storm. I agree with most of what you said. I definitely think this ep was the relative calm before the storm because the way things ended on a relatively 'pleasant' note tells me that it will only be madness from here til the end.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 23, 2014 5:58:30 GMT -5
I just saw the episode and I LOVED it!! All of it! Even JTnT and Gabe!! Shocking I know! I feel this is the calm before the storm. I agree with most of what you said. I definitely think this ep was the relative calm before the storm because the way things ended on a relatively 'pleasant' note tells me that it will only be madness from here til the end. I would be inclined to think madness may be all over 22 but we may maintain some level of calmness for 21. May be completely wrong on that one though lol
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Post by kp definitely needs S3 on Jun 23, 2014 6:03:57 GMT -5
I stand by my opinion at half time. I liked it! If anyone wants, feel free to throw tomatoes at me. Just make sure they're nice ripe ones as that's how I like them!
I do have to disagree with those who say that Catherine & especially Vincent were out of character. This was the first time that they were completely out of their element. Vincent has been in hiding for 10 + years & he seemed to go with the flow more than Catherine. He tried to "stay in character as Tim" but I saw so many Vincent mannerisms. eg: talking to fish while eating cereal [remember the granola bar breakfast at JT's] & trusting Catherine's hunch about the neighbour's death. He just deals with things differently than Catherine. I feel she quickly realized that it's not that easy to abandon her life or herself & take on a different persona. No matter where you plant her, she will always be a cop! It's in her nature & she cannot leave things be. If she feels there is a wrong, she has to correct it. Because they truly love each other, given time [& no murdered neighbour] they could build a new life in a new place!
I really liked the JTnT segment! After 10 years of JT being joined to Vincent's hip, I expected him to have a difficult adjustment! Tess showed understanding & sympathy for his feelings & with kindness helped him come out of Vincent's shadow. I feel they both realized how fortunate they both are to have each other. And how they complete each other!
IMO, this was not a filler episode! It continued the "Who am I" theme of this year, for Vincat & JTnT. As such, I really enjoyed this episode. Yes, I would have liked to see some Vincat loving but I can't always get what I want! And I got other good stuff that I wasn't expecting. Back to the Rainbows & Unicorns!
I liked this ep very much yes finally I see who C is really, she is the" justice" itself no matter what and V he better get use to it BC he's gonna be a very very worried husband, he's wife will drive him crazy sometimes but he really loves her and he always be there for her. I loved seeing Gabe so desperate, I think he had more things to reveal. And of course loved JT\T. So summa summarum loved it can't wait for the next one
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Post by susy on Jun 23, 2014 6:14:03 GMT -5
Well, Reading all comments I think my problem is that at this point I don't understand who Cat is or what she is ready to give for her love. Sometimes she is ready to leave her life, her family and everything to be with Vincent as it was in episode 17 this season or 22 Season 1 and others her cop soul makes her to push Vincent directly on danger as it was in this episode or when she used Vincent to rescue Evan in the subway (despite he was in the middle of flashbacks issues). This season I couldn't predict her reactions at all, I didn't get why she accepted Gabe right after Tori's death, I didn't get why she seems to be always upset instead of worried when something bad happens to Vincent. I would really like to understand her, but so far I'm lost, maybe the key is that she doesn't know either. Fortunatly it seems that Vincent is the only one to understand her, even better tan herself, I love how he loves her and all what he is ready to sacrifice for her.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 23, 2014 6:29:35 GMT -5
Well, Reading all comments I think my problem is that at this point I don't understand who Cat is or what she is ready to give for her love. Sometimes she is ready to leave her life, her family and everything to be with Vincent as it was in episode 17 this season or 22 Season 1 and others her cop soul makes her to push Vincent directly on danger as it was in this episode or when she used Vincent to rescue Evan in the subway (despite he was in the middle of flashbacks issues). This season I couldn't predict her reactions at all, I didn't get why she accepted Gabe right after Tori's death, I didn't get why she seems to be always upset instead of worried when something bad happens to Vincent. I would really like to understand her, but so far I'm lost, maybe the key is that she doesn't know either. i have read all comments and will rewatch the episode in the evening (for the third time sigh) to try to understand where u guys are coming from since clearly many people really liked the episode. as at present, I do think I understand what Cat is like, where her loyalties lie and what is important to her as well as her internal conflicts - cause yes, she still is not sure about certain things. but with this episode, i felt that Cat was juvenile and immature and out of character - i did not see her as the season 1 cat (did not remind me of season 1 cat at all, I am sorry) - she just did not seem mature or sensitive enough. i have respected season 1 Cat and also season 2 cat and have understood her choices under the circumstances but to me this episode Cat was just not a deep enough character, neither cat nor vincent, individually or as a couple. and cat wasn't even able (or vincent for trhat matter, and one line of jt as well) to fully understand the danger they were all both in, whcih made teh danger (vincent being a wanted man, hunted by gabe as well etc etc) well virtually non-existent, culminating in them (after all this mess) walking happily together holding hands or whatever in times square... i dunno, trying to take this all in and see teh positives but really struggling here
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Post by katiebeast S3 <3 on Jun 23, 2014 6:29:53 GMT -5
I just saw the episode and I am feeling.. lukewarm about it. It wasn't bad, but I liked the action-packed episodes a LOT more. This was too... easy-flowing for me. Loved Vincent, loved Cat, loved JTnT. Loved to hate Gabe. I get what they wanted to do with this episode though. At least, what I think they wanted to do with this episode. I feel as if they wanted to make it absolutely clear that their 'normal' is in NY. That their 'normal' is to fight injustice. Most of all, that that IS Cat. No doubt about it. So, fleeing and starting a 'normal' life is not an option. So, I understand that message, but that being said, the episode itself is not in my top ten. But it was not bad, simply because I love and adore all the characters.
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Post by jemangela on Jun 23, 2014 6:31:49 GMT -5
I'm so conflicted about this episode and am getting headaches trying to make heads to tails of it ...I think I'll sit this one out for a day or 2....point of correction, I will try to sit it out, I can't seem to do it most of the time..
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Post by raniamahd on Jun 23, 2014 6:35:46 GMT -5
didn't feel it was the gabe show this episode but i did not enjoy him like i did last episode where i enjoyed him especially in the end and the "what does it mean to be a beast" connotations. I guess what's bothering me about the episode, is they finally had some down time from being hunted.......and NOTHING happened! Even the affection felt forced...... At least the writers could have had them coming down the stairs together in the morning. lol Maybe Cat needs the danger more than she needs Vinc. What was the writer's message....VinCat doesn't work with the heat off? i almost said the same thing when i comment on the episode ! yes i understand and agree with the theme of it as i said , i even appreciate that they take time to prove that everybody's normal isn't necessary Cat or Vincent 's normal or happiness , they finally answer the question they start the season with ( how to love someone and be in a relationship with him without losing yourself in this relation ) Cat finally got what she wants ( not identify throw her relation with Vincent ) i agree and like all of that but the way they achieved that ?! i mean we had Cat all the time saying how much she loves V and would sacrifice anything to be with him ? running away and live in another place no one knows them there was her idea even in S1 and Vincent was the one always doubt that would be ok with her or that she could be happy this way , now when she gets the chance to try/do this she didn't even give it a shot for one day ?!!!!!!!! yes the goal would be achieved in more convinced way if she can't take that normal anymore after months or weeks but not just after a few hours and even before the neighbor got killed ?!! she didn't even take one fine day to enjoy the companionship of the man she loves ?! to enjoy the idea of them being finally alone and free to be with each other , to do things they always want to do but never got the chance ! to express their love , longing and desire for each other the hold for a long time now ! and that has nothing to do with my being a vincat fan but ! its just unrealistic and unconvinced imo and could simply fix if they do one or two short scenes about them enjoying all of that and finally being together in full terms then say some weeks had passed to get to the point they reached 2 second after opening that house door for the first time ! and i won't repeate myself again about the faking or forcing comedy ? like they want to do comedy on purpose but they don't know how ? the feeling i had they are joking and they know they do ! which i never got with some of my favorite good sitcoms !
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 23, 2014 6:37:09 GMT -5
I'm so conflicted about this episode and am getting headaches trying to make heads to tails of it ...I think I'll sit this one out for a day or 2....point of correction, I will try to sit it out, I can't seem to do it most of the time.. lol i am not conflicted about how i feel about it. i do not like it, but i want to like it, but i cannot like it, but dislike that i do not like it. complicated much? lol. come on 21 show your face
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Jun 23, 2014 6:44:12 GMT -5
I see that many people don't get the idea of what this episode is all about..It's to show that Catherine Chandler NO matter how in love she is with Vincent will not change who she is for him...This episode defines WHO SHE IS and that's something that MANY on this board Catherine Chandler didn't like about this season. That ALL episodes seemed to go for what sacrifices Catherine was making in the name of love and for Vincent. She proofs that her LOVE for Vincent NO MATTER how great will not DEFINE who she is as a person and a cop. Kudos for the writers....It all isn't about VinCat...They are individuals as well as a couple. The problems that I have with this episode have more to do with overall quality and continuity than anything else. I applaud them for putting forth an effort to make an episode, long overdue, that was Catherine-centric in it's focus. I just don't think it was well written, or yes, I'm sorry to say well enough executed to be a successful effort. I actually think this episode bordered on "campy" and not in a good way. The fact that my initial knee jerk negative reaction had to do with how Vincent and Catherine were handled, well that goes to continuity. What bothers me the most is that the writers do not seem capable, once again, of doing two things at once. Last week we saw two people desperate for two minutes alone together, and this week, they completely dropped the ball on that like it was a hot potato. I expect them to be able, as writers, to tie up the loose ends with Vincent and Catherine - maybe by showing them wrecked after their first night alone together after a long time? Or I dunno, anything, that ties up that storyline... Then move on with the focus on love not defining who Catherine is. I always make the joke of "You have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time" - and this episode is a great example of the writers failing epically at it. the fact that they need to sacrifice quality, and completely drop the ball on continuity in order to prove the point that Catherine Chandler is not defined by love? Yes, *cough cough* I'm freaking aware of that point. I'm pretty sure I understood that when Catherine shot Vincent to prove the point that killing is morally wrong, effectively choosing justice over the love of her life. While the focus or message of this episode is important, the truth is that it didn't successfully resonate with me. it was sloppily written and executed and overall felt like a clumsy thick-fingered effort at best. Even the acting at times, felt off. And that is something I never EVER complain about with our wonderful cast. Anyway, I agree with you that it is not all about VinCat, I would just appreciate it if they could pull that off a bit more smoothly.
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Post by kiki09 on Jun 23, 2014 6:47:42 GMT -5
I just saw the episode and I am feeling.. lukewarm about it. It wasn't bad, but I liked the action-packed episodes a LOT more. This was too... easy-flowing for me. Loved Vincent, loved Cat, loved JTnT. Loved to hate Gabe. I get what they wanted to do with this episode though. At least, what I think they wanted to do with this episode. I feel as if they wanted to make it absolutely clear that their 'normal' is in NY. That their 'normal' is to fight injustice. Most of all, that that IS Cat. No doubt about it. So, fleeing and starting a 'normal' life is not an option. So, I understand that message, but that being said, the episode itself is not in my top ten. But it was not bad, simply because I love and adore all the characters. I agree with you. After watching the ep and reading all the comments to date, I still like the ep, I laughed with them, I don't find the comedy forced and enjoyed JT&T. I think VK was trying to make the most of this unfamiliar situation, and maybe because it was unfamiliar to us, it felt out of character to some. But I also understand what people are saying about the execution. I Iike the idea and message of the ep but some of the execution was flat at times. Catherine can be confusing at times but I guess that's her nature. I think she is willing to give up a lot for V (she has stated this many a time) but she also has that strong sense of justice which this ep tried to show us. And I guess essentially that is who Catherine is. Their normal is not the 'conventional' normal but her normal seems to be finding a balance between justice and the risks she will take because she loves V.
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Post by vickyd on Jun 23, 2014 6:49:50 GMT -5
I expected more and I totally understand your train of thoughts anna. I just try to comprehend its mechanism of creation. Still a mediocre written episode, not a strong one. Hey! Bring on 21, totally on board with u anna.
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