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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 23, 2014 1:15:32 GMT -5
I see that many people don't get the idea of what this episode is all about..It's to show that Catherine Chandler NO matter how in love she is with Vincent will not change who she is for him...This episode defines WHO SHE IS and that's something that MANY on this board Catherine Chandler didn't like about this season. That ALL episodes seemed to go for what sacrifices Catherine was making in the name of love and for Vincent. She proofs that her LOVE for Vincent NO MATTER how great will not DEFINE who she is as a person and a cop. Kudos for the writers....It all isn't about VinCat...They are individuals as well as a couple.
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Jun 23, 2014 1:17:43 GMT -5
He tweeted it a while ago and I think it was more to the writer's and people who worked on season 1 and for me it might not be a bad thing to try and get some writer's back and perhaps other people who really knew how season 1 worked.
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Post by sunshine on Jun 23, 2014 1:24:56 GMT -5
He tweeted it a while ago and I think it was more to the writer's and people who worked on season 1 and for me it might not be a bad thing to try and get some writer's back and perhaps other people who really knew how season 1 worked. Yes indeed, they need Season 1 writers back badly. For me, I can't get into this show anymore. Both Vincent and CAtherine are unrecognisable and I don't like them anymore. It's hard to root for them and to sympathise with them. It's too bad, as BatB had so much potential.
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Jun 23, 2014 1:27:31 GMT -5
I see that many people don't get the idea of what this episode is all about..It's to show that Catherine Chandler NO matter how in love she is with Vincent will not change who she is for him...This episode defines WHO SHE IS and that's something that MANY on this board Catherine Chandler didn't like about this season. That ALL episodes seemed to go for what sacrifices Catherine was making in the name of love and for Vincent. She proofs that her LOVE for Vincent NO MATTER how great will not DEFINE who she is as a person and a cop. Kudos for the writers....It all isn't about VinCat...They are individuals as well as a couple. Exactly. That's what they showed on this episode. I understand why a lot of you won't get it. Since most of the season has been the opposite. She has sacrificed everything for him and she finally says something about who she really is. Something that people love about her. She used to do the right thing. It makes me like Cat again and yea, it makes me like Vincent for accepting that. Sure the episode has several plot holes. If you give me a dollar for every plot hole a batb episode has, I'd be rich by now . Who is going to believe a fugitive is going to be walking in the street of NY without getting caught even if it's during the night? But BATB has always been like that. I'm used to by now.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 23, 2014 1:28:32 GMT -5
I see that many people don't get the idea of what this episode is all about..It's to show that Catherine Chandler NO matter how in love she is with Vincent will not change who she is for him...This episode defines WHO SHE IS and that's something that MANY on this board Catherine Chandler didn't like about this season. That ALL episodes seemed to go for what sacrifices Catherine was making in the name of love and for Vincent. She proofs that her LOVE for Vincent NO MATTER how great will not DEFINE who she is as a person and a cop. Kudos for the writers....It all isn't about VinCat...They are individuals as well as a couple. Yolie this has not beeny point at all in my comments. Nothing to do with the theme of the episode it is HOW it is done. But I have been commenting way too much and I really will stop now
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 23, 2014 1:35:27 GMT -5
I stand by my opinion at half time. I liked it! If anyone wants, feel free to throw tomatoes at me. Just make sure they're nice ripe ones as that's how I like them!
I do have to disagree with those who say that Catherine & especially Vincent were out of character. This was the first time that they were completely out of their element. Vincent has been in hiding for 10 + years & he seemed to go with the flow more than Catherine. He tried to "stay in character as Tim" but I saw so many Vincent mannerisms. eg: talking to fish while eating cereal [remember the granola bar breakfast at JT's] & trusting Catherine's hunch about the neighbour's death. He just deals with things differently than Catherine. I feel she quickly realized that it's not that easy to abandon her life or herself & take on a different persona. No matter where you plant her, she will always be a cop! It's in her nature & she cannot leave things be. If she feels there is a wrong, she has to correct it. Because they truly love each other, given time [& no murdered neighbour] they could build a new life in a new place!
I really liked the JTnT segment! After 10 years of JT being joined to Vincent's hip, I expected him to have a difficult adjustment! Tess showed understanding & sympathy for his feelings & with kindness helped him come out of Vincent's shadow. I feel they both realized how fortunate they both are to have each other. And how they complete each other!
IMO, this was not a filler episode! It continued the "Who am I" theme of this year, for Vincat & JTnT. As such, I really enjoyed this episode. Yes, I would have liked to see some Vincat loving but I can't always get what I want! And I got other good stuff that I wasn't expecting. Back to the Rainbows & Unicorns!
It also brings up the idea that at the beginning she wanted 'normal' and then realized that the life she called normal was in fact her 'un normal' cause the life of being a cop, protecting Vincent, hiding him, living on the edge is her 'normal' and that's the life NO MATTER HOW bizarre,dangerous and hectic is the life she wants.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 23, 2014 1:43:45 GMT -5
The writing of this episode was by a woman..Then again a newcomer to the season 2 writing team. I don't know about you guys BUT recently the MEN have been doing better writing then the woman LOL...The ONLY ones that have hit high marks this year were PamySue ..and Jennifer and Sherri ..the other lady writers have been so so.. As for the director LOL ..again Adelson (AMP, Saturn Returns, Ancestors) is at the helm here...I thought the episode was poorly edited. I still saw a refreshing episode... Totally different basically cause of the focus on Catherine's character rather then Vincent. Vincent was second banana in this episode in a long time and that to me was refreshing.
Again this is a TV show that is basically 43-44 minutes long so as much as they would have wanted to tell the story in a slower pace..it was rushed.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 23, 2014 1:56:58 GMT -5
The writing of this episode was by a woman..Then again a newcomer to the season 2 writing team. I don't know about you guys BUT recently the MEN have been doing better writing then the woman LOL...The ONLY ones that have hit high marks this year were PamySue ..and Jennifer and Sherri ..the other lady writers have been so so.. As for the director LOL ..again Adelson (AMP, Saturn Returns, Ancestors) is at the helm here...I thought the episode was poorly edited. I still saw a refreshing episode... Totally different basically cause of the focus on Catherine's character rather then Vincent. Vincent was second banana in this episode in a long time and that to me was refreshing. Again this is a TV show that is basically 43-44 minutes long so as much as they would have wanted to tell the story in a slower pace..it was rushed. Which were done by women? Thought 7 was strong and that was by a woman no? Pamy sue was 11? That was good too. I don't think it matters really what your gender is. It is about your skills and also the issue of continuity with how characters are portrayed. For example lack of continuity in ep. 10. Did u think this ep. Was cat centric? I didn't think so. I did not notice any of the mains neither cat nor Vincent.
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Jun 23, 2014 1:57:45 GMT -5
I forgot to mention Gabe. He also had his "Who am I" revelation. We saw it, even though he doesn't realize what he has become. Gabe is a "beast"! Not fully "a change in DNA & in appearance beast" but at the core. He is evil! He has killed the witness in cold blood & is trying to frame Vincent as a murderer. All the while telling himself & anyone who listens that everything he does is for Catherine's protection. I feel that the remaining episodes will show him unravelling & getting more out of control! Unlike a lot of others, I don't feel that Gabe has outlived his usefulness. IMO, he is a very good "bad guy" & I look forward to his [evil] contribution to S 03!
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 23, 2014 2:02:10 GMT -5
I forgot to mention Gabe. He also had his "Who am I" revelation. We saw it, even though he doesn't realize what he has become. Gabe is a "beast"! Not fully "a change in DNA & in appearance beast" but at the core. He is evil! He has killed the witness in cold blood & is trying to frame Vincent as a murderer. All the while telling himself & anyone who listens that everything he does is for Catherine's protection. I feel that the remaining episodes will show him unravelling & getting more out of control! Unlike a lot of others, I don't feel that Gabe has outlived his usefulness. IMO, he is a very good "bad guy" & I look forward to his [evil] contribution to S 03!
Lol yes I think he has come to terms with his evilness and he will fully unravel now. Not sure he ll be in s3 though but we shall see
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 23, 2014 3:25:25 GMT -5
The writing of this episode was by a woman..Then again a newcomer to the season 2 writing team. I don't know about you guys BUT recently the MEN have been doing better writing then the woman LOL...The ONLY ones that have hit high marks this year were PamySue ..and Jennifer and Sherri ..the other lady writers have been so so.. As for the director LOL ..again Adelson (AMP, Saturn Returns, Ancestors) is at the helm here...I thought the episode was poorly edited. I still saw a refreshing episode... Totally different basically cause of the focus on Catherine's character rather then Vincent. Vincent was second banana in this episode in a long time and that to me was refreshing. Again this is a TV show that is basically 43-44 minutes long so as much as they would have wanted to tell the story in a slower pace..it was rushed. Which were done by women? Thought 7 was strong and that was by a woman no? Pamy sue was 11? That was good too. I don't think it matters really what your gender is. It is about your skills and also the issue of continuity with how characters are portrayed. For example lack of continuity in ep. 10. Did u think this ep. Was cat centric? I didn't think so. I did not notice any of the mains neither cat nor Vincent. Well I'm talking in terms of the board...Many here the same way they were saying about Vincent centric episodes that things would be different if woman wrote the episodes..I was comparing my favorite and aside from Held Hostage and Beast Is The New Black my other favs this year have been by men.
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Post by Rysa on Jun 23, 2014 4:44:41 GMT -5
I just watched the episode and I really liked it. Maybe it was not a romantic episode or having romantic moments but I like the action part. Living a "normal" life it's not what like she can do. Her thing is the "no normal", that's her world for being happy. Vincent was really funny talking to his fish. I feel the crime that committed in the episode it was not developed correctly. It's like being rushed. I loved the JT&T scenes, specially with Gabe who's totally out of his mind. For me this is not a protection but possession.
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Post by jemangela on Jun 23, 2014 4:57:57 GMT -5
didn't feel it was the gabe show this episode but i did not enjoy him like i did last episode where i enjoyed him especially in the end and the "what does it mean to be a beast" connotations. I guess what's bothering me about the episode, is they finally had some down time from being hunted.......and NOTHING happened! Even the affection felt forced...... At least the writers could have had them coming down the stairs together in the morning. lol Maybe Cat needs the danger more than she needs Vinc. What was the writer's message....VinCat doesn't work with the heat off?Oh my word, knock me down with feather! I thought exactly the same thing and was so aghast I wanted to take that horrible thought away before it floated around and gave someone ideas ....writers *cough cough*. I kept thinking does Cat need to solve cases and bring justice to the "world" more than she needs Vincent? :shockedsmiley:This episode.....I just can't
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Post by jemangela on Jun 23, 2014 5:08:35 GMT -5
I see that many people don't get the idea of what this episode is all about..It's to show that Catherine Chandler NO matter how in love she is with Vincent will not change who she is for him...This episode defines WHO SHE IS and that's something that MANY on this board Catherine Chandler didn't like about this season. That ALL episodes seemed to go for what sacrifices Catherine was making in the name of love and for Vincent. She proofs that her LOVE for Vincent NO MATTER how great will not DEFINE who she is as a person and a cop. Kudos for the writers....It all isn't about VinCat...They are individuals as well as a couple. Wow! I take back my last comment and I think I'm going to watch the episode again....I totally missed this and it's what I've wanted of Catherine for half the season! Wow, just wow , My Catherine is back and I didn't even realize it until this post ...I'm a happy camper now
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Post by cacosa on Jun 23, 2014 5:11:48 GMT -5
I have noticed that for some weird reason I never agree with this fandom haha. I was telling this to Katie. I'm actually shocked like you have no idea. I LIKE the episode A LOT. This is me in my head: "I like an episode of batb ". I honestly feel like crying as stupid as it sounds. You might not understand why but after spending so much time building this forum and promoting a show that I had these huge expectations. Hoping to be a big success. Just to end up not liking it. It's a big disappoint it for me. That's why I'm angry and feel like crying right now. I understand that you guys love it. Like I told Yolie once. The reason why you guys can continue loving it not matter what happened this season with all these characters is because you guys are really batb fans and I'm just a KK fan so I understand your passion for VinCat, why you wish every episode to be about them kissing, making out and saying that they are meant to be, that they are epic, etc. I get that. For me I wanted more. I understand Catherine and Vincent belong together, I have nothing against they ending up together. That's why it's called Beauty and the Beast. However I wanted a real story to be built with real background not just let's kiss and have sex just because we are meant to be. I wanted stories about the other characters because they are just as important as the main characters. For me it wasn't never about KK having more screen time. I just wanted a good show for more people to like it. Like I have nothing against the whole 20 beasts at the beginning of the season (i know they were less than 20 beast but it felt that way). I actually gave it a shot trying to understand the whole point of it but getting nothing at the end. I got to the point where I even dislike Cat. That's what like the worse for me for obvious reasons. That's why I am the way I am with this show. I know this only an episode and I don't expect anything from the show anymore. I just watch it because I want to see her act but tonight it really shocked me. Guys, I even LIKE Vincent . I didn't see it as a filter episode. I totally understood why it happened. When the episode began and they started talking about leaving. I thought: "again with the same talk". They even sounded like first season when they wanted to go and live in the country and all of that so I thought they were using the same plot. But then it got good. I enjoy VinCat, they were as real as they can be and I'm not talking about being this faking couple. I mean them trying to figure a way to stay together in the open. They were honest with each other like they used to be in the first episodes of season |. It was fun to watch. Both of them were so funny. When Cat was looking from the window and wanted to know more about the crime scene. That was hilarious. She just couldn't help herself . Then Vincent all mad because she didn't listen to him haha. Vincent talking to the fist. (That was a fish, right? I'm not sure haha). That part was hilarious
Cat throwing the paper at the poor bird. Cat checking crimes online. They trying to pretend they were married in from of the neighbors. All of that was so funny. And one the things that I love about this episode. Yes, I love it. Because that's what I wanted to see. Like I said I understand it's VinCat and they are supposed to be the main thing of the show but what I hated about this season was that everything that matter was only Vincent getting protected not matter the consequences good or bad. But in this episode Catherine said something that I love. Something which made me love her in season 1 and this show too. This line: "We have to get involved. It's called justice. If we don't, then what are we, Vincent? We're just two people onn the run that only care about ourselves"It's true. That's how they were in season 1. From the pilot. Murfield was after Vincent but there was this woman that needed help. He didn't care and tried to save her not caring if he got caught. That was the show that I used to like. They can still love each other but still care about the rest of the world. I also like the JT and Tess. And believe me I don't want to like Tess (I won't say why because it has nothing to do with the show). But I did enjoy those 2 together. They were fun to watch 2. In all honestly they look better eating gummy worms than Vincent Gabe was awesome as the evil guy that is losing his head. He is getting crazier. The scene with those 3 was really good. Sadly I feel the way Gabe is acting will only end up with him getting killed. I don't want then to kill him because I really enjoy Sendhil as the evil guy but I'm sure most of you will be happy about it. I think the point of the episode and why for me it wasn't a filter episode is that they wanted to show if VinCat could be themselves pretending to have a normal life and it showed that they can't. They are not them if they do that. And also to show to the fans and to them that the rest of the world matter too. For the ones that dislike the episode, don't worry I'm sure next episode will have the vincat that you love . Can I do a standing ovation for this? Not that I agree on everything, but in what I put in bold. I don't want to see only Catherine and Vincent kissing and sleeping together, which also wants to see, but I want more, and this episode was different, yes, maybe they were out of character, or what we've seen of them so far, but they were not bad writings. At least not for me. I enjoyed a lot all the dialogues and situations, yes, a little crazy. And see that Vincat are anything but a normal couple, so that kind of normality is not at all what they want, or need. At least not like the FBI guy suggested, pretending to be who they are not.
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