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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 2, 2014 2:09:23 GMT -5
It is not necessary for me to compare kissing scenes, etc., to be disturbed by the "fake date" and I've been toying with the idea that perhaps we are supposed to feel uncomfortable about this aspect of Catherine. The kiss seemed like no more than a "peck" and it even looked a little like Gabe came from the side - a peck on the side of the mouth - giving no more intimacy than kissing your Aunt Daisy. Still, the date and the kiss were SOME degree of intimacy. Catherine was laughing and enjoying the cake decorating. Gabe was certainly justified in thinking some minimal connection had been formed. But, on the other hand, ALL of Gabe and Catherine's kisses were tepid. ALL of Catherine's "feelings" for Gabe were completely unbelievable. So the real question is: why wasn't Catherine totally creeped out by Gabe, now and in the past? When Gabe leaned in for a kiss, why didn't she back-pedal like Sugar Ray? She certainly knows he choked the life out of two guys - while he was a man not a Beast. She knows he (Gabe, the man) was willing to dissect Vincent to find his own cure. And she knows the "kidnap Heather" plot was just a man being obsessed, jealous and power-mad. (She might actually be relieved to find out Gabe is now a simple Beast again) (just kidding). Lately, I've been ragging on Catherine for over-intellectualizing, wading in denial, repressing her feelings, etc. (I'm sorry Cat; you know it's because I love you). I've questioned whether or not she ever had anything like romantic feelings for Gabe. And although she did (and does) for Vincent (all the way from the Pilot, I believe), I've questioned how she got back together with V. All the way through 2x16 she tells anyone who will listen, "I'm with Gabe, I'm with Gabe". Then on the rooftop as Vincent tries to save Sam, she hears him voice the thoughts she believes in - and she's back in love with him again. So the intellectual approach works for her. She's not comfortable with listening to her gut and is not about to try it. She's going to be out of touch with her feelings and intellectualize everything. (I know, I know - she was already in love with Vincent all along. I'm just talking about what it takes to break through her denial) So I think this is just the Catherine Chandler we have at this point. It's no use in wishing for another. Might as well say to poor Heather at the end: "Don't be traumatized! Shake it off, girl." Life is messy that way. You just can't shake off feelings and if you try, then you never hear the voice of your instincts, your guts, your love. Both Catherine and Vincent have been twisted by their fear of being "out of control". This was the metaphorical "Beast within" and it has nothing to do with transgenic DNA. Vincent has come a long, long way from the days when he huddled in the shadows, afraid of feeling any strong emotion. But Catherine is still in the dark. This episode Vincent gently points out that she is unable to express her own anger. He doesn't go on to say that's because she completely denies it. And he's not about to say: if you do that, you are always on the edge of control. Although she may have a way to go, it looks like Vincent can be a wise and gentle guide. I had hoped to see some growth by the season finale but there is no time left; so much was wasted. That will be a journey for another season. Bill thanks for your post and I agree with many of your points regarding cat's development. However I would not necessarily say there has been no development at all for cat. I think she has taken quite an important step this season in realising (yet not fully accepting) that she has issues. She was talking about it in s1 but she realises it now. I think she knows now there are things she needs to change - yes long way to go but this is an important first step. Regarding her always I tellectualising and never following her gut I don't know. Yes true generally but I think she has followed her gut on a range of things. And I don't think her getting back with v has anything to do with her intellectualising about it. She just accepted her feelings and was ready to forgive him at that stage. But yes overall I agree the journey is far from over and v is a great influence on her
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Post by pippin on Jul 2, 2014 2:16:22 GMT -5
I'm in the peck of a kiss didn't bother me camp. I think the fact that he went in for a kiss did surprise Cat so you get a non-reaction from her. And when you watch the scene, Gabe puts his hand behind Cat's neck so while I suppose she could have kicked him in the balls or pushed him, seeing as how he reacted to that in their following scene, I think she did the best thing at the time. Why the writers felt the need to include it? I think it was to show not only just how deluded Gabe was but also how happy he was at the thought that he still had a shot at winning Cat back and thus his greater sense of anger and betrayal when he learns the truth. If you notice, the camera lingers on Gabe's face at the end of the scene, not Cat's. It is his reaction that is the important one, showing how much the whole evening meant to him.
So while I don't think this kiss or any of the other non-VinCat kisses Vincent and Catherine participated in have ruined their character nor Vincent sleeping with Tori or Cat sleeping with Gabe, I do find letting Gabe get away with murder because they don't want to expose Vincent or everything that they have covered up, to be terrible for all of the Fab 4. Apparently the only reason, they were determined to get Gabe for murder was because he was getting in the way of Vincent's exoneration?? What happened to not being people who only care about themselves? They did that last season as well with Muirfield where their main motivation for going after them seemed to be so that they could be together and not be vulnerable. All of the other murders, horrible and illegal things Muirfield did seemed more like an after thought, like an "oh yeah and that other stuff too." I'm hoping that gets clarified or rectified in the season finale.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 2, 2014 2:46:37 GMT -5
I'm in the peck of a kiss didn't bother me camp. I think the fact that he went in for a kiss did surprise Cat so you get a non-reaction from her. And when you watch the scene, Gabe puts his hand behind Cat's neck so while I suppose she could have kicked him in the balls or pushed him, seeing as how he reacted to that in their following scene, I think she did the best thing at the time. Why the writers felt the need to include it? I think it was to show not only just how deluded Gabe was but also how happy he was at the thought that he still had a shot at winning Cat back and thus his greater sense of anger and betrayal when he learns the truth. If you notice, the camera lingers on Gabe's face at the end of the scene, not Cat's. It is his reaction that is the important one, showing how much the whole evening meant to him. So while I don't think this kiss or any of the other non-VinCat kisses Vincent and Catherine participated in have ruined their character nor Vincent sleeping with Tori or Cat sleeping with Gabe, I do find letting Gabe get away with murder because they don't want to expose Vincent or everything that they have covered up, to be terrible for all of the Fab 4. Apparently the only reason, they were determined to get Gabe for murder was because he was getting in the way of Vincent's exoneration?? What happened to not being people who only care about themselves? They did that last season as well with Muirfield where their main motivation for going after them seemed to be so that they could be together and not be vulnerable. All of the other murders, horrible and illegal things Muirfield did seemed more like an after thought, like an "oh yeah and that other stuff too." I'm hoping that gets clarified or rectified in the season finale. I agree with all u said. I guess they did this to serve their ep22 purpose and did not care that it does not make sense and is not consistent with who the characters are meant to be but it is a huge issue if u think about it makes no sense
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Post by didar on Jul 2, 2014 4:11:57 GMT -5
I'm in the peck of a kiss didn't bother me camp. I think the fact that he went in for a kiss did surprise Cat so you get a non-reaction from her. And when you watch the scene, Gabe puts his hand behind Cat's neck so while I suppose she could have kicked him in the balls or pushed him, seeing as how he reacted to that in their following scene, I think she did the best thing at the time. Why the writers felt the need to include it? I think it was to show not only just how deluded Gabe was but also how happy he was at the thought that he still had a shot at winning Cat back and thus his greater sense of anger and betrayal when he learns the truth. If you notice, the camera lingers on Gabe's face at the end of the scene, not Cat's. It is his reaction that is the important one, showing how much the whole evening meant to him. So while I don't think this kiss or any of the other non-VinCat kisses Vincent and Catherine participated in have ruined their character nor Vincent sleeping with Tori or Cat sleeping with Gabe, I do find letting Gabe get away with murder because they don't want to expose Vincent or everything that they have covered up, to be terrible for all of the Fab 4. Apparently the only reason, they were determined to get Gabe for murder was because he was getting in the way of Vincent's exoneration?? What happened to not being people who only care about themselves? They did that last season as well with Muirfield where their main motivation for going after them seemed to be so that they could be together and not be vulnerable. All of the other murders, horrible and illegal things Muirfield did seemed more like an after thought, like an "oh yeah and that other stuff too." I'm hoping that gets clarified or rectified in the season finale. I agree with all u said. I guess they did this to serve their ep22 purpose and did not care that it does not make sense and is not consistent with who the characters are meant to be but it is a huge issue if u think about it makes no sense Or maybe they just need to get Vincent’s exoneration first before they expose all Gabe’s crimes. The story will definitely take a very sharp turn if Gabe expose Vincent and all the beast stuffs. As for the muirfield. It's a secret organization. A powerful one too. It would not be easy to expose them as well. Will people believe what they say about them? and if Vincents is exposed as a beast and people know the truth about Muirfield, what will the story be about then? IMO Vincent and Catherine are not perfect hero and heroine, ones who are not selfish, who sacrifice themselves for a greater good. I don't think it's beauty and the beast about. It's not a story about (super) heroes like for example Arrow or Batman. It's more about a love story, isn't it?
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Post by kiki09 on Jul 2, 2014 6:23:49 GMT -5
After my 3rd time watching this ep (which, by the way, I LOVED), I have some questions that maybe have already been asked and answered, but I would really appreciate some input because sometimes I get lost in translation... - Where did Gabe get the serum from if he is not related to those guys? - Was Vincent hearing the agents' heartbeats when they got in his cell and said agent Knox was sending them? Meaning, did he feel that they were saying the truth? - Also, did they let him free because he was going to kill Gabe and that was one of their goals? - And finally, although this is not a question-question... What if Cat's fate is, as Gabe said, killing a beast but that beast is actually Gabe?? Mmmm!! By the way, I am staying spoiler free... and I am loving it! Let me try and answer some of your questions: 1. Gabe was telling Beth on the phone that he had the serum Sam made, from when he was in charge of the precinct. 2. I only caught this the second time I watched but yes Vincent was checking the agents' heartbeats to see if they were truthful or not. 3. Yes, V made a deal with the guys that he will kill Gabe (they let him go because he was supposed to go to jail the next day anyway) And as for the non-question, who knows? Maybe!
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 2, 2014 12:06:43 GMT -5
A few points. The Kiss. Gabe surprised Cat and as she was on 'keeping Gabe sweet so he calls off the reporter' mode, I don't think she had time to think what to do. She could have turned her face away and said 'she was not ready for that but had had a surprisingly good evening' and I think Gabe would have been happy with that and not pressed the point. Don't get me wrong, I HATED seeing him kiss her. It made my skin crawl and I am sure it did the same to Cat.
But the kiss was all about Gabe and his delusion that Cat still cares for him. Remember his bizarre comment that when Vincent was in prison again, she'd be needing a new boyfriend (him) anyway. If you remember she smiled but had that 'Gabe, you are completely bonkers' look on her face. Like when you are talking to someone who is completely mad, you might smile at them and agree with everthing they say.
Cat was stalling for time. The plan was 1. go on fake date with gabe, 2. Gabe calls off reporter,3. Vincent surrenders to police and has trouble free press conference, 4. Vincent is exonerated and freed. That's all she could see. Obviously, Gabe was not in on the 'Vincent will be exonerated if he hands himself in' part of the plan or he wouldn't have made that stupid comment.
The level of his delusion is clear when Cat comes to his apartment near the end of the episode and he thinks she's come because she wants to be with him. He is so sure that he thinks he can grab her and try to kiss her again. Anyone really upset at the kiss should feel better when Cat shows her true feelings and kicks him in the heart. Gabe doesn't really love Cat because if he did, he's have let her go and be with Vincent who she DOES love. Vincent loves Cat and was willing to back off and let her be with Gabe if that was what she wanted. He only fought for her when he realised she still loved him. It was obvious to him from the kiss on the boat (2x15) and what happened afterwards that evening.
Cat is just a possession to Gabe. A trophy to show he's better than Vincent. At the moment, Vincent has the trophy and Gabe wants it back. He can't take losing out to him and as he's never really loved anyone, how can he understand the love between Vincent and Catherine. Vincent will always win hands down because Cat is not a trophy to Vincent. She is a person with flaws and hang-ups and wonderful qualities too. He loves the good and the bad about her. He just LOVES her. She keeps him human and brings out the best in him. Gabe can't even begin to understand that because he really just loves himself.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 2, 2014 12:29:38 GMT -5
After my 3rd time watching this ep (which, by the way, I LOVED), I have some questions that maybe have already been asked and answered, but I would really appreciate some input because sometimes I get lost in translation... - Where did Gabe get the serum from if he is not related to those guys? - Was Vincent hearing the agents' heartbeats when they got in his cell and said agent Knox was sending them? Meaning, did he feel that they were saying the truth? - Also, did they let him free because he was going to kill Gabe and that was one of their goals? - And finally, although this is not a question-question... What if Cat's fate is, as Gabe said, killing a beast but that beast is actually Gabe?? Mmmm!! By the way, I am staying spoiler free... and I am loving it! Let me try and answer some of your questions: 1. Gabe was telling Beth on the phone that he had the serum Sam made, from when he was in charge of the precinct. 2. I only caught this the second time I watched but yes Vincent was checking the agents' heartbeats to see if they were truthful or not. 3. Yes, V made a deal with the guys that he will kill Gabe (they let him go because he was supposed to go to jail the next day anyway) And as for the non-question, who knows? Maybe! But you forgot to say that those said agents are also the ones who got him exonerated. I have to wonder did they set him up so that they could take him from jail and take his blood and once they had it they exonerated him?
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Post by Laura on Jul 2, 2014 12:40:30 GMT -5
A few points. The Kiss. Gabe surprised Cat and as she was on 'keeping Gabe sweet so he calls off the reporter' mode, I don't think she had time to think what to do. She could have turned her face away and said 'she was not ready for that but had had a surprisingly good evening' and I think Gabe would have been happy with that and not pressed the point. Don't get me wrong, I HATED seeing him kiss her. It made my skin crawl and I am sure it did the same to Cat. But the kiss was all about Gabe and his delusion that Cat still cares for him. Remember his bizarre comment that when Vincent was in prison again, she'd be needing a new boyfriend (him) anyway. If you remember she smiled but had that 'Gabe, you are completely bonkers' look on her face. Like when you are talking to someone who is completely mad, you might smile at them and agree with everthing they say. Cat was stalling for time. The plan was 1. go on fake date with gabe, 2. Gabe calls off reporter,3. Vincent surrenders to police and has trouble free press conference, 4. Vincent is exonerated and freed. That's all she could see. Obviously, Gabe was not in on the 'Vincent will be exonerated if he hands himself in' part of the plan or he wouldn't have made that stupid comment. The level of his delusion is clear when Cat comes to his apartment near the end of the episode and he thinks she's come because she wants to be with him. He is so sure that he thinks he can grab her and try to kiss her again. Anyone really upset at the kiss should feel better when Cat shows her true feelings and kicks him in the heart. Gabe doesn't really love Cat because if he did, he's have let her go and be with Vincent who she DOES love. Vincent loves Cat and was willing to back off and let her be with Gabe if that was what she wanted. He only fought for her when he realised she still loved him. It was obvious to him from the kiss on the boat (2x15) and what happened afterwards that evening. Cat is just a possession to Gabe. A trophy to show he's better than Vincent. At the moment, Vincent has the trophy and Gabe wants it back. He can't take losing out to him and as he's never really loved anyone, how can he understand the love between Vincent and Catherine. Vincent will always win hands down because Cat is not a trophy to Vincent. She is a person with flaws and hang-ups and wonderful qualities too. He loves the good and the bad about her. He just LOVES her. She keeps him human and brings out the best in him. Gabe can't even begin to understand that because he really just loves himself. Very well said
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Post by kiki09 on Jul 2, 2014 12:42:33 GMT -5
Let me try and answer some of your questions: 1. Gabe was telling Beth on the phone that he had the serum Sam made, from when he was in charge of the precinct. 2. I only caught this the second time I watched but yes Vincent was checking the agents' heartbeats to see if they were truthful or not. 3. Yes, V made a deal with the guys that he will kill Gabe (they let him go because he was supposed to go to jail the next day anyway) And as for the non-question, who knows? Maybe! But you forgot to say that those said agents are also the ones who got him exonerated. I have to wonder did they set him up so that they could take him from jail and take his blood and once they had it they exonerated him? That's possible and probably likely.
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Post by beastlybusiness on Jul 2, 2014 12:43:15 GMT -5
I'm in the peck of a kiss didn't bother me camp. I think the fact that he went in for a kiss did surprise Cat so you get a non-reaction from her. And when you watch the scene, Gabe puts his hand behind Cat's neck so while I suppose she could have kicked him in the balls or pushed him, seeing as how he reacted to that in their following scene, I think she did the best thing at the time. Why the writers felt the need to include it? I think it was to show not only just how deluded Gabe was but also how happy he was at the thought that he still had a shot at winning Cat back and thus his greater sense of anger and betrayal when he learns the truth. If you notice, the camera lingers on Gabe's face at the end of the scene, not Cat's. It is his reaction that is the important one, showing how much the whole evening meant to him. So while I don't think this kiss or any of the other non-VinCat kisses Vincent and Catherine participated in have ruined their character nor Vincent sleeping with Tori or Cat sleeping with Gabe, I do find letting Gabe get away with murder because they don't want to expose Vincent or everything that they have covered up, to be terrible for all of the Fab 4. Apparently the only reason, they were determined to get Gabe for murder was because he was getting in the way of Vincent's exoneration?? What happened to not being people who only care about themselves? They did that last season as well with Muirfield where their main motivation for going after them seemed to be so that they could be together and not be vulnerable. All of the other murders, horrible and illegal things Muirfield did seemed more like an after thought, like an "oh yeah and that other stuff too." I'm hoping that gets clarified or rectified in the season finale. Believe it or not, it's taken me 2 days to get round to watching this ep, so forgive me if I repeat a lot of what's already been said. So I wasn't bothered by the kiss much either - it was hard to take it seriously, as with all things Cat/Gabe. It was a bit annoying that Cat would let him kiss her at all but that says more about my opinion on Cat's character than the kiss itself. For me, it was passionless, one sided, and intended to show Gabe's mindset more than anything else. In contrast I loved the last scene and the scene out on the deck to Gabe's flat. That is the Vincat I know and love. What I didn't like about the episode, however, was that it didn't have the pace or intense mythology I was hoping for. I've felt all season that we're going to get there eventually - probably in the build up to the finale - and yet I still didn't feel this ep delivered that. It didn't feel like the penultimate episode of what could have been a series finale if our beloved show hadn't been renewed. There was too much bickering again for me, but even putting that to one side I thought there just wasn't that momentum or suspense that I was expecting. I miss that feeling that I got from the Muirfield arc in S1 and I just don't care enough about Gabe to be on the edge of my seat. I find that sad as in my eyes this is still a show - and Vincat is still a couple - that has so much potential to be EPIC. I'm devoted to the show so this disappointment doesn't change anything. Just wanted to share my thoughts!
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 2, 2014 13:29:54 GMT -5
I'm not bothered by the kiss either, and all this Cat talk about being out of character, well think about it ...certain situations you are in brings out a different side of you, everyone wants kick ass Cat but we can't have kick ass Cat all the time, she is a person too not just a tough cookie and being a tough cookie myself I know, you suppress your emotions and you seem to be this tough person but trust me underneath it all there is a lot of emotions. Cat being relieved that she didn't kill Gabe was her finally cracking a bit, all the hurt and pain she endured this season was coming out of her. I don't understand how people say it's out of character for her when it's not. She's doing everything to protect those she loves, when she was with Gabe she was the person she needed to be with him. She was exhausted so she mellowed down a bit but by getting back with V we saw kick ass Cat again but that's because she had a crisis on her hands. I for one enjoy a relaxed Cat; being a cop has made her unable to sit back and do nothing as we saw in 220 but it was also cuz she was fake, in a place she didn't really wanna be but needed to be. In the hostel she was able to be relaxed and enjoy her surrounding because that is what they chose. And those who say Cat hasn't evolved I think you are wrong, Vincent has grown lots in the last 5 episodes but so has Cat. She is the same person who she was in season 1 when she was trying to protect Vincent from the death squad(joe and the nypd) and all the anger has finally started to catch up with her. I am so ready for the finale, to see Vincat prove to us yet again why we love them so much and so they can have their happily ever after they lucked out on the season 1 finale because of Gabe.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 2, 2014 13:54:15 GMT -5
Since we are on the subject of Cat's character, I will bring this up about Heather. If someone else has made any similar observations, my apologies, as I have not read all the back comments yet.
At any rate, here we go. I felt in this episode that Heather shows all the problems that we have had with Cat's character this season (and shows also that these flaws are family traits in part caused by the trauma and melodrama that have been these two girls' lives for way too long). Heather, like Cat, claims to have been all about career when The Guy appears and becomes her world. Yet despite reveling in her love (and in all parts of the whole wedding process), Heather has NOT revealed to the guy what has happened to her. Heather has pushed him out when she needed him the most. Why? This seems to be the common Chandler girl approach to things in trying to madly and manically solve the task on one's own until one's literal unraveling becomes apparent even to oneself. And she snaps at others that try to make her face reality and acknowledge the pain and trauma that she is going through. And Heather has no idea who she is through all of this because of what she has seen. So she throws herself back into the "career" aspect by being PR manager numero uno and trying to help Vincent. And she even admits that doing this task is about all that is holding her together.
I like that in this episode we get to see Heather go through a microcosm of Cat's development through the last 2 seasons. Heather is literally all over the place and even annoying at times. You want to shake her and get her to realize what she is putting HERSELF AND OTHERS through. Yet Heather is just trying to hold herself together and still make things right for others that she cares about. She is still about self-sacrifice at the same time she seems shallow and pushing away the love of her life. Because make no mistake, she is definitely pushing away Mr. Matthew if she can't even reveal to him what she is going through. Is it for him or for herself? These are the same questions I asked about Cat this season as she pushed Vincent away at the same time she wanted to hang onto him the most, and all for the reason of "self-discovery" and not knowing herself while at the same time failing to deal with the trauma that Gabe's attack and Vincent's disappearance had caused her. Tess pointed out to Cat that she needed therapy in Hothead, but Cat states that is Tess' job, and then Cat gets Tess arrested when she punches out a Judge while they are out partying because she cannot deal. Just like Heather's breakdown at the bachelorette party.
Heather's screwball, all-over-the-place back and forth between being self-centered, helping and protecting others, and pushing away the one she loves the most at the time that she needs the most and then falling apart at the worst possible moment--wow, that IS Cat in a nutshell, at least for part of this season. And yes, while Cat has her flaws, she DOES seem to be recognizing them more, and Vincent is able to voice the issues/problems that Cat needs to address yet also voice his support in order to give Cat a platform to further develop her character safely and without undue censure. And THAT shows what Heather is lacking in Matthew, at least at this time. Heather may be able to take a lesson from VinCat's relationship to either actually grow with Matthew or, more likely, grow apart from him (unless we get a new recurring character of Matthew next season).
So all in all, I think Heather was a little mini-Cat this episode which, I admit, made me appreciate what I think IS Cat's character evolution for this season. Just my two cents worth.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 2, 2014 14:16:27 GMT -5
Let me try and answer some of your questions: 1. Gabe was telling Beth on the phone that he had the serum Sam made, from when he was in charge of the precinct. 2. I only caught this the second time I watched but yes Vincent was checking the agents' heartbeats to see if they were truthful or not. 3. Yes, V made a deal with the guys that he will kill Gabe (they let him go because he was supposed to go to jail the next day anyway) And as for the non-question, who knows? Maybe! But you forgot to say that those said agents are also the ones who got him exonerated. I have to wonder did they set him up so that they could take him from jail and take his blood and once they had it they exonerated him? What threw me off on the heartbeats was yes Vincent was checking to see if they were telling the truth. But they really weren't truthful, since they weren't working for Agent Knox, yet their beats were calm and steady. Another example of Beast powers on the fritz: In the 2x17 shower scene, Vincent could sense Gabe at the door, yet in this episode he didn't sense Gabe when he was outside Cat's door wanting to exchange the cake. Anyway, the bigger question is what do these new FBI guys (if they are FBI) really want with Vincent and why did they "really" let him go? I guess we'll find out sooner or later, but I don't think it was just to kill Gabe.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 2, 2014 14:43:13 GMT -5
But you forgot to say that those said agents are also the ones who got him exonerated. I have to wonder did they set him up so that they could take him from jail and take his blood and once they had it they exonerated him? What threw me off on the heartbeats was yes Vincent was checking to see if they were telling the truth. But they really weren't truthful, since they weren't working for Agent Knox, yet their beats were calm and steady.
Another example of Beast powers on the fritz: In the 2x17 shower scene, Vincent could sense Gabe at the door, yet in this episode he didn't sense Gabe when he was outside Cat's door wanting to exchange the cake. Anyway, the bigger question is what do these new FBI guys (if they are FBI) really want with Vincent and why did they "really" let him go? I guess we'll find out sooner or later, but I don't think it was just to kill Gabe. yes Vincent listened to their heartbeats, one of the guys was beating a little faster then the other but you have to remember if these guys we're able to just right off get him out of his cell and then exonerate him, then they sure do know what Vincent is capable of. They we're very much aware Vincent would know if they we're lying so they probably practiced or did what Cat did in episode 3.Thats not hard to figure out, at least that's how I see it. As for 17, Just cuz sometimes he can feel mean that he can always feel it. In 217 he was worried someone was gonna find him so he was on high alert, in 221 he was fuming with jealousy to even think about straight. Its not his automatic thing to feel everything, he usually does something, goes deeper before he realizes someone is there or someone is lying or wtv.
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Post by kiki09 on Jul 2, 2014 14:47:30 GMT -5
But you forgot to say that those said agents are also the ones who got him exonerated. I have to wonder did they set him up so that they could take him from jail and take his blood and once they had it they exonerated him? What threw me off on the heartbeats was yes Vincent was checking to see if they were telling the truth. But they really weren't truthful, since they weren't working for Agent Knox, yet their beats were calm and steady. Another example of Beast powers on the fritz: In the 2x17 shower scene, Vincent could sense Gabe at the door, yet in this episode he didn't sense Gabe when he was outside Cat's door wanting to exchange the cake. Anyway, the bigger question is what do these new FBI guys (if they are FBI) really want with Vincent and why did they "really" let him go? I guess we'll find out sooner or later, but I don't think it was just to kill Gabe. I just assumed that this shadowy agency were somewhat aware of his capabilities so they trained their agents to maintain a steady heart rate. Or they just have that training in general. Remember in 207, when they were with Reynolds and Catherine and Vincent were trying to gauge how much Reynolds actually knew about Muirfield etc and V couldn't get a good read on him? I feel like that is similar to what happened with the agents. They must have some form of training to steady their heart rate whether they were aware of V's abilities or not.
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