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Post by debbyts on Feb 4, 2013 1:02:41 GMT -5
This is all so confusing, I said in a comment yesterday that I really liked on thin ice. much more then i expected. I loved hearing Catherine say She loved him to the Therapist . She was great in this episode. As it went on you saw her getting stronger. I love how she reacted to Vincent while jogging. great lines. strong again. I have not been thrilled with Vincent in these past 2 episodes. somehow he does not look as good looking to me now. the Shrink did though. just goes to show you looks and personality are important. the writers have done amazing things from the beginning. I think in the long run we will be happy. I think all these emotions that have come into play will work out in the end. I too have wondered how will Vincent ever be able to show he loves Catherine after this Alex thing and make it believable. just not sure. but i hope there is alot more compelling action . I think Catherine will get hurt in Cold Turkey. I think that will bring Vincent back to Reality. Remember he is in a Fantasy world right now. If Cat is hurt it will bring back all his feelings from Bridesmaid up. hope i am right
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Post by debbyts on Feb 4, 2013 1:06:10 GMT -5
The guy he is choking looks fimilar to me too. But i think he was on another show. maybe once upon a time. or something. or maybe Arrow.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Feb 4, 2013 3:02:20 GMT -5
Hi there! it's very interesting reading all your points of view. Here is mine:
I don't feel thrilled about Vincent's behaviour neither, but I somehow endure it because I REALLY don't think that he's doubting between Catherine and Alex, but between Catherine and "being half-beast" and his old life, being just a normal guy, a doctor... which is what Alex "supposedly" offers him... Definetely, if you pay attention to all Vincent's quotes, he NEVER talks about Alex... he ALWAYS talks about his past life, he misses his life before, being normal, not being looked as if he has a secret to be hidden... So, what he's really struggling is about HIS way of living... at all about the love of her life... Selfish? maybe... Understandable? From my POV, it is... After 10 years in hiding, feeling an animal, not worthy, not being able to hang out normally... you find a person (who happens to be someone important in your past life, and of course, you "have feelings" for her... but you are not IN LOVE with her...). And then, on the other hand, you have your current life, which means danger, running away, hidding, accepting that you have a beast inside... you don't like yourself, you feel ashamed of what you do in "beasty mode"... And it happens to be that in that current life, you have found the love of your life... BUT! Right at this point, he's not conflict about the love of women, he's in conflict about how HE will life his life! I love how Catherine reacted in last episode, it's very brave from her side, and it's great that she finally decided to fight but remember that in "seeing red" it was HER who pushed HIM away and asked him to explore his feelings... Remember that last conversation in 1x10... She asked him: can you tell me that your ex showing up doesn't change everything? and he said: it doesn't change US! So, in that moment, he was still standing on their relationship, eventhough Alex was already in the picture. Even at the beginning of 1x11 Vincent wanted to say Alex not to see anymore... but then Alex started to show him how his life could be if he stayed with her... and then he got absolutely lost.. So, I hope in 1x12 things become clearer for Vincent regarding his "fantasy" of living his past life... And then he figures out how stupid he has been about forgeting his feelings of love for Catherine... Of course it may take some time to get Catherine back, but she's wise, and in love... and probably will forgive Vincent's mistake soon.
Wow! I wrote a lot! But I really wanted to share my thoughts with you!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 4, 2013 3:18:37 GMT -5
Hi there! it's very interesting reading all your points of view. Here is mine: I don't feel thrilled about Vincent's behaviour neither, but I somehow endure it because I REALLY don't think that he's doubting between Catherine and Alex, but between Catherine and "being half-beast" and his old life, being just a normal guy, a doctor... which is what Alex "supposedly" offers him... Definetely, if you pay attention to all Vincent's quotes, he NEVER talks about Alex... he ALWAYS talks about his past life, he misses his life before, being normal, not being looked as if he has a secret to be hidden... So, what he's really struggling is about HIS way of living... at all about the love of her life... Selfish? maybe... Understandable? From my POV, it is... After 10 years in hiding, feeling an animal, not worthy, not being able to hang out normally... you find a person (who happens to be someone important in your past life, and of course, you "have feelings" for her... but you are not IN LOVE with her...). And then, on the other hand, you have your current life, which means danger, running away, hidding, accepting that you have a beast inside... you don't like yourself, you feel ashamed of what you do in "beasty mode"... And it happens to be that in that current life, you have found the love of your life... BUT! Right at this point, he's not conflict about the love of women, he's in conflict about how HE will life his life! I love how Catherine reacted in last episode, it's very brave from her side, and it's great that she finally decided to fight but remember that in "seeing red" it was HER who pushed HIM away and asked him to explore his feelings... Remember that last conversation in 1x10... She asked him: can you tell me that your ex showing up doesn't change everything? and he said: it doesn't change US! So, in that moment, he was still standing on their relationship, eventhough Alex was already in the picture. Even at the beginning of 1x11 Vincent wanted to say Alex not to see anymore... but then Alex started to show him how his life could be if he stayed with her... and then he got absolutely lost.. So, I hope in 1x12 things become clearer for Vincent regarding his "fantasy" of living his past life... And then he figures out how stupid he has been about forgeting his feelings of love for Catherine... Of course it may take some time to get Catherine back, but she's wise, and in love... and probably will forgive Vincent's mistake soon. Wow! I wrote a lot! But I really wanted to share my thoughts with you! Hello savana and welcome! I was just watching Seeing Red and was gonna comment on the last scene myself and how she was the one who pushed him away... ALLOWING for Alex to put doubt in his LIFE..yes..I know he never speaks about Alex as his love, he is in LOVE with what she is offering him..a LIFE of being free...But in Seeing Red we also see that Catherine's struggle to deal with what she TRULY Feels for Vincent is also evident.. This mess will be fixed at least for the most part in COLD TURKEY how is up in the air! Welcome again
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Post by vincentfan on Feb 4, 2013 3:29:43 GMT -5
I agree with what a lot of you have said that Vincent isn't so much choosing Alex, but his old life, the closest thing to it. And honestly, Alex offers that life in ways that Cat can't, fir the obvious reasons. Even though he could never live the life he used to have, I feel that with the time he's been spending with Alex, all the things he's done, have blinded him a bit. Cat has also given him a way to feel like Vincent Keller isn't dead while still hiding from murfield. But with Alex there aren't as many restrictions, this because she doesn't know the truth.
I too feel bad for what cat has to suffer, and I'm just worried about how the writers are going to end valex. I don't want Vince to realize he's putting Alex in too much danger and ends things, and then tries going back to cat. I want him to realize he's a different person, and could never love Alex that way again, and be ok with it.
Catherine has realized that she's in love with Vincent; it would be nice for this realization with Vincent.
Also, cat seems to talk a lot about how her mysterious guy friend is complicated, with Tess, and how he has "issues". Could it be that when heather recruits Tess for an intervention it's because they believe Vincent has anger issues and maybe hits cat? Just a spec.
Anyway I'm excited for every episode! As long as the writers can do this right, I have no problem
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 4, 2013 3:40:01 GMT -5
I agree with what a lot of you have said that Vincent isn't so much choosing Alex, but his old life, the closest thing to it. And honestly, Alex offers that life in ways that Cat can't, fir the obvious reasons. Even though he could never live the life he used to have, I feel that with the time he's been spending with Alex, all the things he's done, have blinded him a bit. Cat has also given him a way to feel like Vincent Keller isn't dead while still hiding from murfield. But with Alex there aren't as many restrictions, this because she doesn't know the truth. I too feel bad for what cat has to suffer, and I'm just worried about how the writers are going to end valex. I don't want Vince to realize he's putting Alex in too much danger and ends things, and then tries going back to cat. I want him to realize he's a different person, and could never love Alex that way again, and be ok with it. Catherine has realized that she's in love with Vincent; it would be nice for this realization with Vincent. Also, cat seems to talk a lot about how her mysterious guy friend is complicated, with Tess, and how he has "issues". Could it be that when heather recruits Tess for an intervention it's because they believe Vincent has anger issues and maybe hits cat? Just a spec. Anyway I'm excited for every episode! As long as the writers can do this right, I have no problem Vincentfan..as a woman I think that is why we are so ticked off at Vincent cause we are seeing it through her eyes and know how she feels..I STILL have faith in the writers that if they wrote this mess they will fix it in a way that is believable and satisfying. I think we'll get that REVEAL that Catherine had with Vincent..Not to give us that would be the ULTIMATE slap in the face for us fans and HOPELESS ROMANTICS...I don't think they'd have her confess her love and not have him do it..We'll know how this ends(well for the most part) in 3 days!
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Post by vincentfan on Feb 4, 2013 3:58:27 GMT -5
^hope so!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 4, 2013 4:26:24 GMT -5
Vincentfan..as a woman I think that is why we are so ticked off at Vincent cause we are seeing it through her eyes and know how she feels..I STILL have faith in the writers that if they wrote this mess they will fix it in a way that is believable and satisfying. I think we'll get that REVEAL that Catherine had with Vincent..Not to give us that would be the ULTIMATE slap in the face for us fans and HOPELESS ROMANTICS...I don't think they'd have her confess her love and not have him do it..We'll know how this ends(well for the most part) in 3 days! I thought that he was confused by the life the wh**e was offering him when I saw "On Thin Ice", too, vincentfan! But seeing this promo changed my perspective!
Vincent has no right to make Cat endure all this <edited>*t! Even knowing that Cat was the one that pushed him towards the wh**e, yolyco, I still think that the least he could do was try to protect Cat from her!
It's clear to me that he doesn't love the wh**e, but since her offer is better than Cat's, then why not, right? As lonely as he may had been, it really justifies what he's doing with Cat?
This is a huge mess and I don't think that the writers can do something to fix the situation magically in just 40, 45 min.I have to agree with the protecting Catherine bit, it's so out of character for him..the thing that STILL has me even more ticked at him for is ALL this time he's been with Alex and yet he hasn't corrected his HANDLER thing yet..I know he can't cause then he would really have to tell Alex who Catherine is..So in this case he's just being a COWARD..or BLIND...or just as you say someone who don't care about Catherine...Which I don't think it's the latter. My hope for all this crap is that there's more to the story then Muirfield...something that hasn't been addressed yet..MAYBE then the mess that the writers weaved can be explained.
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Post by soldiervincent on Feb 4, 2013 4:41:08 GMT -5
I have to agree with the protecting Catherine bit, it's so out of character for him..the thing that STILL has me even more ticked at him for is ALL this time he's been with Alex and yet he hasn't corrected his HANDLER thing yet..I know he can't cause then he would really have to tell Alex who Catherine is..So in this case he's just being a COWARD..or BLIND...or just as you say someone who don't care about Catherine...Which I don't think it's the latter. My hope for all this crap is that there's more to the story then Muirfield...something that hasn't been addressed yet..MAYBE then the mess that the writers weaved can be explained. I think he's being all three things!
As much as my shipper heart bleeds for thinking like that, I really don't see any love from Vincent towards Cat.
Those who love, protect, as Cat had been doing for him since day one. If he's not protecting her, what is the math?
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 4, 2013 4:59:54 GMT -5
I have to agree with the protecting Catherine bit, it's so out of character for him..the thing that STILL has me even more ticked at him for is ALL this time he's been with Alex and yet he hasn't corrected his HANDLER thing yet..I know he can't cause then he would really have to tell Alex who Catherine is..So in this case he's just being a COWARD..or BLIND...or just as you say someone who don't care about Catherine...Which I don't think it's the latter. My hope for all this crap is that there's more to the story then Muirfield...something that hasn't been addressed yet..MAYBE then the mess that the writers weaved can be explained. I think he's being all three things!
As much as my shipper heart bleeds for thinking like that, I really don't see any love from Vincent towards Cat.
Those who love, protect, as Cat had been doing for him since day one. If he's not protecting her, what is the math?My answer to your question is simple...and in two words....SELFISH BASTARD...it's not that he don't care it's that he cares ONLY for what he wants at THAT moment. Selfishdevoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others. Anyone we know??
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Post by elle on Feb 4, 2013 5:38:07 GMT -5
I agree soldiervincent that the writers seem to have taken this storyline too far. After 2 episodes into this I don't even like Vincent anymore and really have a hard time believing in this deep, epic love story the writers have talked about. But I haven't a clue what's going to happen in this next episode, even after seeing the promo and clip, so I'll see if they can write their way out of this mess. But in the meantime I'm still trying to get over the fact that the ex is wearing a robe in the cabin.....apparently Vincent lets things get pretty far along in that cabin. Not cool Vincent!
The other thing I can't figure out about this episode is where Alex is when Vincent and Cat are in the woods. Does she or doesn't she see Vincent "beast out"? I was thinking not, bc in the next episode Vincent and Cat are trying to decide if they can trust Alex with the secret. But then where would she be? Alone in the cabin? There's a lot more to this than what we have been teased with, right???
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 4, 2013 5:57:45 GMT -5
I agree soldiervincent that the writers seem to have taken this storyline too far. After 2 episodes into this I don't even like Vincent anymore and really have a hard time believing in this deep, epic love story the writers have talked about. But I haven't a clue what's going to happen in this next episode, even after seeing the promo and clip, so I'll see if they can write their way out of this mess. But in the meantime I'm still trying to get over the fact that the ex is wearing a robe in the cabin.....apparently Vincent lets things get pretty far along in that cabin. Not cool Vincent! Okay we know that they were suppose to go spend the WEEKEND...Do normal people sleep with nightgowns and PJ's and where a robe on top of it??I'm not saying she's not going to try to seduce him cause we all know that's the case...but I'm pretty sure that they don't get to spend the night.. [quote author=elle board=spoilers thread=79 post=859 3 time=1359974287] The other thing I can't figure out about this episode is where Alex is when Vincent and Cat are in the woods. Does she or doesn't she see Vincent "beast out"? I was thinking not, bc in the next episode Vincent and Cat are trying to decide if they can trust Alex with the secret. But then where would she be? Alone in the cabin? There's a lot more to this than what we have been teased with, right???[/quote]As for where's ALex?? WHAT if in the cabin before Muirfield shows up Vincent tells her how he really feels about Catherine and she leaves before Muirfield even shows up?? That could be a scenario that noone has yet even thought of..or have they?
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Post by elle on Feb 4, 2013 6:13:32 GMT -5
I don't think they get to spend the night either... But I was hoping ( before I saw the promo) that Vincent was taking her there for the big reveal. But after seeing that promo, she's in the robe sitting very close to Vincent on the sofa, and they look all snuggled together and are leaning in for a kiss. That's probably when they get interrupted, but again, looks like Vincent is into the romance not the big reveal. Very disappointing! But the promo could be misleading.
I like your theory that he tells Alex the truth about his feelings for Cat and then she leaves, but that scenario doesn't seem to fit with the cozy sofa scene. I hope it's true!!! I think the promo and clip for this episode have given very few hints away. I think we will really be surprised by something in this episode, I just have no idea what!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 4, 2013 6:23:05 GMT -5
I don't think they get to spend the night either... But I was hoping ( before I saw the promo) that Vincent was taking her there for the big reveal. But after seeing that promo, she's in the robe sitting very close to Vincent on the sofa, and they look all snuggled together and are leaning in for a kiss. That's probably when they get interrupted, but again, looks like Vincent is into the romance not the big reveal. Very disappointing! But the promo could be misleading. I like your theory that he tells Alex the truth about his feelings for Cat and then she leaves, but that scenario doesn't seem to fit with the cozy sofa scene. I hope it's true!!! I think the promo and clip for this episode have given very few hints away. I think we will really be surprised by something in this episode, I just have no idea what! This is what I've been saying all along...SOMETHING we haven't seen or heard of yet is at play..I think they are throwing us off with Muirfield and the danger...I know there is more to this then meets the eye and as you I can't wait to see what's the big reveal And on another note : I wouldn't hold my breathe for the Prudocers preview...I don't think we'll get one..I don't think they would want to give something away esepcially when this is the Vincent turn around episode...I would be very surprised if they did release one.
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Post by elle on Feb 4, 2013 8:31:37 GMT -5
Yes Yolanda, from reading your posts I'm sure it was you that planted that seed of thought in my brain that there's more to this storyline! Always enjoy reading your insights!
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