lola
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Post by lola on Feb 3, 2013 12:27:22 GMT -5
That leads to the same question...Who is the guy that Vincent is choking?? He has to be there for a reason and as I looked at the preview in the voice-over Vincent says "What are you doing here?" At first I thought it was obviously Catherine after showing up at the cabin..but since things tend to be take out of context especially in promos and trailer or what not I was thinking that MAYBE Vincent meant that person he's choking...IMO he might be a soldier he knew OR an old friend of his and Alex's...Whoever it was that Vincent looks surprised and even a little afraid seeing in that bit..you can tell by his face he was sort of in shock of seeing. My 2 cents on that LOL You know something, I think you are onto something. That guy Vincent is choking does look like one of his army buddies. I think it was in the second episode, where Vincent shows Catherine the picture of him and his 3 army buddies (the photo she temporarily steals from him). One of those guys in the photo had dark hair and does resemble the guy in the coming attractions. The only thing is that I thought all of those guys were turned into super soldiers. So you would think that since Vincent is choking him, the guy would start to beast out or something. But that would explain Vincent's look of surprise.
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Post by luli on Feb 3, 2013 12:53:45 GMT -5
The mathematical break down of Cold Turkey --for fun and my opinion - Jacki can help with anime
Cold Turkey = Firs half (Cat is done with Vincent)+ Second half (Alex figures out the handler is the one that got the handle on V's heart and they are done Cold Turkey)
I also think - I know I know I know I know very naive of me and I want Cat to make him work for it....they might Kiss at the end of Cold Turkey...but end of Cold Turkey will be fire for VinCat
We will see Vincat again the world type of scenes coming up less procedural and more Murfield or the Cops after V which will be interesting!
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Post by lola on Feb 3, 2013 12:59:19 GMT -5
I hope you are right!! I would love that!!!
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Post by luli on Feb 3, 2013 18:22:48 GMT -5
I agree with you!!! But I think in his head he was trying to be salvage a situation since Alex went to her already...but her does Everything wrong!!!!....like someone dropped him in his head but I really believe we will be surprised by Cold Turkey and the progression of Cold Turkey from start to end... Next Friday we'll have a someone interesting dialogue - I think... Hang in there....trust me I ranted for 12 hours on twitter the other day...I feel ya!
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Post by soldiervincent on Feb 3, 2013 18:40:16 GMT -5
I agree with you!!! But I think in his head he was trying to be salvage a situation since Alex went to her already...but her does Everything wrong!!!!....like someone dropped him in his head but I really believe we will be surprised by Cold Turkey and the progression of Cold Turkey from start to end... Next Friday we'll have a someone interesting dialogue - I think... Hang in there....trust me I ranted for 12 hours on twitter the other day...I feel ya! I don't think it was that, luli!
He says to her that the trip is not "just about romance" which means that he's going for the romance!
How is that trying to make it right? He's just trying to sugarcoat the fact that he already made his choice by playing some twisted version of a nice guy!
He knows he's hurting her! He's not trying to protect her in any way! So why go to her and confirm what she already knows?
You don't do this with someone you love. So he doesn't love her!
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Post by celticmussin84 on Feb 3, 2013 19:12:41 GMT -5
wow there is a lot of hate out there heading in Vincents direction. Not that I blame you, he has become a jerk. The writers on twitter said how he is flawed and no realtionship is perfect. So I guess they wanted to vincent into a jerk to show hes human and not Mr. Perfect or that he's always going to make the right choice.
At least this week episode is the LAST one where he is with Alex and being a jerk since in the next one Vincent is trying to romance Cat. I think the only way for Vincent to be worthy of Cat is to first apoligize for being a jerk and not listening to his heart then telling her flat out that he loves her and last that he'll do whatever it takes no matter how long to show and prove to her that he loves her. for me thats the only way he can make it up to her
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Post by celticmussin84 on Feb 3, 2013 19:33:09 GMT -5
wow that's harsh. What I was trying to express is that he would have to tell that he is going to work to earn her trust back after all the things he's done and lets her know he's not going anywhere. Obviously an I'm sorry won't do. I'm waiting to see where the writers take this next episode.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 3, 2013 20:57:19 GMT -5
wow that's harsh. What I was trying to express is that he would have to tell that he is going to work to earn her trust back after all the things he's done and lets her know he's not going anywhere. Obviously an I'm sorry won't do. I'm waiting to see where the writers take this next episode. It's not harsh, celticmussin84! I'm sorry if you felt this way, I wasn't trying to antagonize you. It's just that I'm pissed right now!
What is Vincent doing with Cat? Because now he doesn't have the excuse that he doesn't know how she feels anymore! She told him, she took a risk and told him she wants to be with him.
And he goes and rubs in her face that he's going to a romantic getaway with the sl**ty redhead! Someone that doesn't even care for his safety, like Cat does?
Because that was what she did in the last ep! He told her he's in hiding and yet she kept pushing him to reveal himself to those police officers! And, suddenly, he's willing to throw everything out of the window for this person?
My point is, if he really felt something noble for Cat, wouldn't he at least try to protect her from the redheaded wh**e?After watching On Thin Ice I was as pissed at Vincent like you are soldiervincent and I admit I don't like the way the writers have changed Vincents character so much in two episodes..With that said I can also tell you that we don't know how the conversation in the clip will continue cause it does..I'm sure of it..I'm not out to condone what Vincent has done with his actions to HURT Catherine but we must also understand that Alex is offering him something that he thought he would never have ever again...NORMALCY..just being a man, doctor,no running,hiding and being the old Vincent Keller...One of my favorite Catherine's lines ON Thin Ice was when she lost it with the HOT shrink in the fire range...CATHERINE: "HE would rather be with SOMEONE who doesn't know him...ANYMORE." That is the key word..ANYMORE...The old Vincent could never come back...he has to reconcile with the FACT that he could never be who he was... I think her deciding to go COLD TURKEY occurs after the jog...and I wouldn't doubt if she told him to not bother coming around her apartment cause his ass wasn't going to be invited in and that her Windows and doors would be closed until he decides what he truly wants!!! On another note...Vincent looks like he's in turmoil...especially when around Catherine..every close-up, every conversation seems to be hurting him..He looks like a lost puppy..just look at the convo with JT his voice cracked a few times..He is totally LOST and he too is hurting. I'm not taking his side but we have to keep our minds open and try to see both sides of this mess
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Post by Darcy on Feb 3, 2013 21:26:34 GMT -5
I think you make excellent points, yolyco... Frankly all this Vincent bashing is getting to be bit much for me. Yes, we are frustrated, but I'm trying to see things from Vincent's point of view, after 10 years of loneliness and despair. He needs to deal with the old before he embraces the new. He WILL come around. And it seems to me that patience and forgiveness is a huge part of true love... I look forward to seeing Catherine's depth and character as she forgives Vincent. It will be worth it all in the end.
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Post by celticmussin84 on Feb 3, 2013 22:10:51 GMT -5
I agree with Darcy 100%
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 3, 2013 22:32:35 GMT -5
One of the things I continue to learn is that relationships bring conflict. I generally don’t like conflict. It doesn’t seem like I am alone in this opinion. But, I’m a big fan of relationships. If you want friendships and relationships, you get conflict. As I was processing the reality of conflict and friendship, I was reminded of this quote from John Howard Yoder,
“To be human is to have differences; to be human wholesomely is to process those differences, not by building up conflicting power claims but by reconciling dialogue. Conflict is socially useful; it forces us to attend to new data from new perspectives. It is useful in interpersonal process; by processing conflict, one learns skills, awareness, trust and hope. Conflict is useful in interpersonal dynamic, protecting our concern about guilt and acceptance from being directed inwardly only to our own feelings. The therapy for guilt is forgiveness the source of self-esteem is another person who takes seriously my restoration to community.”
I believe Vincent is trying to find his humanity..something that he thought he lost and FINALLY sees he finds with CATHERINE...For so long he thought of himself as someone that wasn't human anymore..that he wasn't worthy enough to love and be loved...that the HUMAN part of him was dead..I think he's searching for the HUMAN he used to be...He'll get a HUGE wake up call trust me...This is where his eyes will open...And BTW by Catherine being such a strong woman I doubt she'll just kiss and make up...TRUST ME on that too!
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Post by oa on Feb 3, 2013 22:39:01 GMT -5
I am with yolanda on this one! especially her last sentence!
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Post by soldiervincent on Feb 3, 2013 22:50:05 GMT -5
I'm also a big fan of relationships, that's why I know no one builds a relationship of any kind without respect.
Respect is what makes you solve the conflict. And I don't see any respect on that scene...
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 3, 2013 22:55:37 GMT -5
I'm also a big fan of relationships, that's why I know no one builds a relationship of any kind without respect.
Respect is what makes you solve the conflict. And I don't see any respect on that scene... Hey soldiervincent I get what your saying but do you remember what happened in SEEING RED?? They went from one moment of "I accept all of what you are" and "I thought I lost you" to the red head in the picture and by the end doubting the relationship..We can't see what truly happens until we see the whole picture! BTW: Nice to have such an insight convo with you it's nice to meet other passionate fans LOL
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 3, 2013 23:47:03 GMT -5
I believe Vincent is trying to find his humanity..something that he thought he lost and FINALLY sees he finds with CATHERINE...For so long he thought of himself as someone that wasn't human anymore..that he wasn't worthy enough to love and be loved...that the HUMAN part of him was dead..I think he's searching for the HUMAN he used to be...He'll get a HUGE wake up call trust me...This is where his eyes will open...And BTW by Catherine being such a strong woman I doubt she'll just kiss and make up...TRUST ME on that too! Hey soldiervincent I get what your saying but do you remember what happened in SEEING RED?? They went from one moment of "I accept all of what you are" and "I thought I lost you" to the red head in the picture and by the end doubting the relationship..We can't see what truly happens until we see the whole picture! BTW: Nice to have such an insight convo with you it's nice to meet other passionate fans LOL What do you mean with a "huge wake up call", yolyco? Do you know something I don't?
Now that I vented all out with you guys, I understood why I'm so pissed. It's the respect thing! This whole situation with the wh**e is a huge disrespect towards Cat and that's something that always bothers me, in any situation!
And it is nice talking with passionate Beasties! I'm sorry for the rant! I am basing the HUGE from something I read in an interview that Kristin herself commented on. about Vincent..I've been looking for it..as soon as I find exactly what she says I will edit this and paste it here... I also know about respect and disrespect...so I get your point there too! Rant all you want, I find it insightful
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