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Post by Andromeda03 on Jul 24, 2016 16:40:47 GMT -5
Happy Episode Day!Welcome to the episode thread for Beauty and the Beast episode 4x09 The Getaway! This thread is not only for those in Canada who get to watch tonight on Showcase, a total of 4 days earlier than the US, but for everyone who watches from now until the US airing on Thursday on The CW and anytime after that. Please feel free to use this thread to live-blog as you're watching (during any airing) and continue to use it to discuss this episode as much, and in as much detail, as you want going forward. For now this thread will be in the Spoilers Section, but on Thursday night it will move to the Episode Discussion area for the US airing. For those who haven't had a chance to see the episode, please know that there will be details in here that will not be in the normal spoiler threads or elsewhere on the forum. Those who have not seen it do enter and read this thread at their own risk of being spoiled. Happy viewing and enjoy the episode everyone!
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 24, 2016 19:19:36 GMT -5
All right, that promo had me sweating bullets. SO POST, you Canadians, POST!!!!! SPOIL ME IMMEDIATELY!! (Or as soon as you come down from the episode highs, and are coherent again!!)
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Post by swimgrl on Jul 24, 2016 21:56:58 GMT -5
I'm sorry this is not a recap, just observations as I watched. First impressions: -Ugh, enough repetition already! -Who's Grace's source? -Tess & Alex make a good looking couple -What is it about our VinCat looking hot while undercover in dive bars?! -Love JT saving V's butt in Cat's car -Good lord, I am so tired of hearing, "Our happily ever after" :/ -Not the same cabin outside, yay! But then there's the inside, never mind. -Ugh, I hate uptight, fighting VinCat -Umm, agreed, the hospital would be insane to hire V back. And they've already forgotten or forgiven A LOT. -So what DO they do now? -Tess isn't wrong about Cat covering for her for once. -JT could be in big <edited> if Tess truly hates him and turns on him. Lots of stuff she could pin on him. -Loved the start of the walk in the woods chat -Why can't they just run away? Really? -"Those bears are looking better & better" 😂 -Knew messing with Tahmoh was a bad idea (but glad he had a slightly bigger role) -Oh Tess, NNNOOOOO!!!! -Bah, suddenly the ADA seems like a really convenient plot tool... -Was that really the best way to show her Vincent? -V's still sacrificing himself for others, though in this case I suppose it's also in his interest that she live & tell their story -Seeing V in a net again was really traumatic 😢 -Uh oh, the body count is really climbing -What exactly was Cat's cover story for all that carnage? -Wouldn't Graydal have gotten to the woods long before morning? -Hmmm, was expecting Tess to rat them out, not resign. Interesting. Wonder where this is going? -Why does Graydal need to gather more info if they now know V's the beast? -Ah! That does not seem like a good plan, V!!!
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Post by bbatb on Jul 24, 2016 23:00:43 GMT -5
I am still in shock! What a dark and dangerous episode and totally hopeless, dead end, no-way-out scenario. Everything that can go wrong went wrong. Now Grace the reporter is dead, too. She might have been able to sway the public with some honest reporting.
There is a lot to process and it is really a bad thing that we are now going into a two week hiatus.
All in all a breathtaking, edge-of-your-seat, fast-paced episode, which left me almost speechless and quite upset. So many emotions - very Season 1-ish and it had nothing to do with the fact that they used Alex's cabin. We are back at the sheer bleak desperation for our couple.....
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Post by lilybean33 on Jul 25, 2016 0:05:10 GMT -5
I am still in shock! What a dark and dangerous episode and totally hopeless, dead end, no-way-out scenario. Everything that can go wrong went wrong. Now Grace the reporter is dead, too. She might have been able to sway the public with some honest reporting. There is a lot to process and it is really a bad thing that we are now going into a two week hiatus. All in all a breathtaking, edge-of-your-seat, fast-paced episode, which left me almost speechless and quite upset. So many emotions - very Season 1-ish and it had nothing to do with the fact that they used Alex's cabin. We are back at the sheer bleak desperation for our couple..... I agree! Very season 1-ish. There was nothing hopefull about this episode. The one thing that did stand out to me was that VinCat finally faced the truth about the reality of their situation. When their current crisis is over, Vincent can no longer be a dr at the hospital and Cat can no longer work for DHS, so the normal they have been fighting so hard for is no longer available to them. It will be interesting to see what new normal they come up with, but we will probably not see that until the very last episode of the series. couple other things, I wish there was more progress with Greydol...confused on if they really know Vincent is a beast or just a mole within the team. Loved that JT talked Tess out of resigning..but this could lead to trouble down the road. Ah, facing consequences for your actions was a big theme in this episode. lastly, by the end of this episode I was sad. This show has a special place in my heart and as much as I love season 4 I feel the dialog is way too repetitive and some episode time gets waisted...there are only 4 episodes left..snif..snif. Most of the shows I have invested time on are coming to an end or my beloved ships are broken...boohoo!!
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 25, 2016 1:07:06 GMT -5
What a contrast compared to 408. The last episode was a lot of fun, but it was so goofy that it was hard to take it seriously. This episode was all serious, don't think there was even a hint of comedy in this one, except for the opening scene.
Aside from the exposition and repetitive lines in the beginning, I enjoyed this episode. The best VinCat moment for me was their walk in the woods. That cabin sure looked an awful lot like Alex's. But I guess it's supposed to be different. I noticed when Cat uses the pay phone she's at Emerald Lake Park in Vermont.
And finally, we get an episode with a mini cliff hanger.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 25, 2016 1:12:04 GMT -5
I am still in shock! What a dark and dangerous episode and totally hopeless, dead end, no-way-out scenario. Everything that can go wrong went wrong. Now Grace the reporter is dead, too. She might have been able to sway the public with some honest reporting. There is a lot to process and it is really a bad thing that we are now going into a two week hiatus. All in all a breathtaking, edge-of-your-seat, fast-paced episode, which left me almost speechless and quite upset. So many emotions - very Season 1-ish and it had nothing to do with the fact that they used Alex's cabin. We are back at the sheer bleak desperation for our couple..... I agree! Very season 1-ish. There was nothing hopefull about this episode. The one thing that did stand out to me was that VinCat finally faced the truth about the reality of their situation. When their current crisis is over, Vincent can no longer be a dr at the hospital and Cat can no longer work for DHS, so the normal they have been fighting so hard for is no longer available to them. It will be interesting to see what new normal they come up with, but we will probably not see that until the very last episode of the series. couple other things, I wish there was more progress with Greydol... confused on if they really know Vincent is a beast or just a mole within the team. Loved that JT talked Tess out of resigning..but this could lead to trouble down the road. Ah, facing consequences for your actions was a big theme in this episode. lastly, by the end of this episode I was sad. This show has a special place in my heart and as much as I love season 4 I feel the dialog is way too repetitive and some episode time gets waisted...there are only 4 episodes left..snif..snif. Most of the shows I have invested time on are coming to an end or my beloved ships are broken...boohoo!! Kane (was that the beast hunters name?) sent a text message to Graydal saying Keller is the beast. So they know.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 25, 2016 1:35:58 GMT -5
Just did a quick check and watched the cabin scene in Cold Turkey. It IS the same cabin! Both inside and out. But surely Cat wouldn't have picked the same cabin for their 6 month anniversary getaway? So I think it's suppose to be different.
I can't believe the showmakers would think that fans wouldn't notice! Couldn't they have found another location? Sheesh!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 2:14:36 GMT -5
I've noticed a little dialogue repetition at the beginning too, but it is for a short time. plus after the episode I think this was necessary to underline what was their focus from the beginning of S3 till now: they where looking for normalcy and their happily ever after as much as they can but... it is a sad moment when Cat throw the reality in Vincent's face: nothing would be the same again so for sure normal is not an option for their future. Cat is right: they have lied for 4 years to cover things up, to save each other and what have they obtained? Nothing but a great mess.
About Grace's source: I stay put in my idea that someone from Miurfild is still alive, maybe not one from the lab or directly involved in the experiments but someone who had the chance to see something (maybe not the beast transformation) and took his mouth closed to stay alive for all these years... or maybe another beast who knows?
I loved the scene where they hug on the wharf at the Lake... they are so small compared to the landscape and the fog thet surround them is a metaphora of how they surely feel at this point. And yes was so heartbroken seeing Vincent cought in the net, again. it is like a going backwards.
I don't mind about the cabin if it is the same Vin went with Alex or just the same set (we know that they don't have so much budget... i won't be surprised if the same cabin was used for other CW tv show) or just similar. But in the same theme of going backwards, do you remember what was Alex's plan? to give both a new identity and run away... maybe that would have been the best option for Vincent, but with the wrong woman if it had happened with Alex.
For the first time after S1e17 if I remember correctly the episode, Tess's idea of how a cop has to deal with the law comes out again: you can't be the cop, the law, the judge and the jury like all the crazy things that happened hasn't changed her... and maybe it is true she can't change or act differently otherwise she could never be happy
In fact writers and Stuart told that all the 4 season will be wrapped at the end and I think they started from this point
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Post by batb217 on Jul 25, 2016 3:14:42 GMT -5
I love love LOVED this episode!! Okay, as mentioned before, the beginning scene was a bit repetitive, but I don't think you can say that this is a very exposition heavy episode. The sheer seriousness of their situation has coming crashing down on VinCat, Catherine first and then Vincent, and that means they're scrambling at every opportunity they can to try and get Vincent exonerated, or to get DHS & Graydal(?) off their backs.
The scenes in the cabin (again, I don't really care whether it was Alex's or not, there's no mention to or about it being hers so I see it as not) had the intensity of scenes from season one, so did the walk in the woods and the small scene by the lake (probably one of my favourite scenes from the season so far).
But what I have found increasingly interesting is Tess' arc. Okay, at the moment, the fact that she isn't sticking by VinCat like she did in S2 is annoying, but I can really understand WHY she is having second thoughts. Catherine and Vincent aren't entirely innocent, even if they get cleared of Hill's death, the amount of lying, covering up and evading the law that they have done, not to forget the amount of people they have killed actually points to them being less innocent then we all think they are. It's certainly interesting. In season 1 there was the chance that telling Tess about Vincent's existence would risk exposure and the end of Catherine's friendship with her, and we're starting to see a strain in everyone's relationships with Tess (especially JT's, but I'll get to that in a minute), so in that case I got even more of a season 1 feel from this episode. I wouldn't be surprised if, by the end of the season, Tess is no longer involved in the beast stuff, but I also wouldn't be surprised if she gets back involved. It'll be intriguing to see where the writers have gone with this.
Whether or not you like Tess and JT as a couple, or even individual characters, I think you have to give them merit in the last scene. Tess has had enough of covering for Cat and Vincent and she hates being in the position where she should actually arrest Catherine for all the things she's done even though she's her best friend and a lot of it isn't her or Vincent's fault, because of this, she's ready to not only give up her role as captain, but as a cop altogether. It's almost like she's JT was earlier in the season now- not knowing what her future holds, feeling lost and not knowing what her purpose is and Catherine in season 3- wanting to do everything by the book but soon realising that might not actually be possible. Those comparison aside, JT comes into her office and manages to convince her not to give up her roles and, quite selflessly, tells her that they can keep her out of the beast stuff if it means she won't give up her captaincy. I think it's impossible to deny JT still loves Tess and I think it all depends on whether or not they BOTH find their purpose in life as to whether they will get back together or not. Again, I can see both possibilities happening, them getting back together or them not.
Lastly, really good episode, I thoroughly enjoyed it, hoping to watch it again later today and maybe post some more.
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Post by evanarose on Jul 25, 2016 3:15:56 GMT -5
Argh the cliffhanger and ending is killing me! I think this is actually the first time that the guys going against vincat are actually a step ahead right?! Remind me if I forgotten...Cat's dad perhaps but this seems different as these guys are not related to their background or anything...
I admit that was strange that Vincat had decided to confide in the reporter! What the heck!? Given the way she was portrayed last episode and how nosy like she was :/ I mean I get Vincat are desperate now and it seems there's no other option but I don't know, it was a strange twist for me lol. Even though they made it out she was ok..still got a weird vibe from her lol
I hope the reveal with the bounty will be a surprise...rather than some random we never seen. I don't want it to be Kyle but hard to guess who else that they know; Tess new guy perhaps :/ ?
I also agree on Cat covering Tess for once...I'm not sure what to say regarding Teas behavior:/ It makes sense but what JT said makes more sense lol but I guess being in Tess position...The constant coverup is hard. The writers set it up like she should just leave the group. Well to have no involvement with beasts whatsoever, it means breaking all contact from Vincat & JT. So move to LA, do the cop stuff there lol sounds drastic but I felt like that's where they could be heading!
The lake and surroundings were beautiful! More vincat scenes more than I expected which was great, but so eager for a heart to heart scene without the worry talk in between! Lol.
I really wonder what's gonna happen next episode :/ I'm wondering what the bounty Hunter got in store for Vincent...It would be good if it were a twist. I dunno the bounty hunter wants to help the beast lol :/ probably not! Or maybe the hunter thinks V is bad but V can convince him. I'm kinda hoping they'll have a happily ever after in the end! But I get the inkling maybe it's a roswell ending..Lol Vincat saying bye to Tess, not sure on JT but they'll always be on the run...
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 25, 2016 6:30:52 GMT -5
One word to express my state of mind after watching that episode. TRAUMATIZED. A few points that came to mind during and shortly after watching this episode:
Grace - I think Cat & Vincent decided to 'tell all' because Grace had a good reputation as being a serious journalist, who searched for truth and justice. I think they did the right thing. She was about to go public with what she knew anyway. Better to meet her and put their side of things before she did that and hope that their honesty and her sense of right and wrong would mean that she would help them and keep Vincent's identity a secret.
Tess - I think Cat said back in Season 1 that Tess is very 'black and white' when it comes to the law. Cat was too, but after she met Vincent, she accepted that everything would be grey from then on. Tess seemed genuinely shocked by the advice she got from the ADA. Instead of 'arrest her' she heard 'arrest myself' and I think it suddenly hit her what she had been doing since she found out about Vincent. The question is, what would she have done next if JT had let her resign? Would she have got on board 24/7 trying to help VinCat like JT?
Cabin - It seems almost inconsequential now after the events of the episode but it probably was the same cabin or set but was not SUPPOSED to be the same. Didn't Cat say she found it online as a surprise for their 6 month anniversary? Does it really matter if it was the same. Vincent and Alex never 'did the deed' there in Season 1. Alex definitely had that on her mind when she took Vincent there but his intention was only to talk to her and come clean about his 'PTSD' or lack of it.
JT - What a truly altruistic character he is, putting his own life on the line to save Vincent from the police raid fall-out, withstanding all that emotional pressure from Tess and standing firm, not giving her VinCat's location, and finally, talking Tess out of resigning by promising her he would keep her out of all 'beast related crap' in the future EVEN if it meant she had to arrest him for it, somewhere down the line.
Heather - Where was she this week and why, if JT was keeping Tess out of the loop, didn't he involve her instead? Protecting her too, maybe.
Source - Who was Grace's source? She seemed to know EVERYTHING that had happened, including the secret Graydal meeting. My guess is that the source and the big bad (bounty putter-upper) are one and the same. If it's all coming full circle, I think the source of the bounty is someone connected to Muirfield or the Secret Organisation of wealthy Capitalists behind the Beast experiments in Season 2. There have been a lot of loose threads not really cleared up going right back to season 1. Why was the FBI involved in trying to cover up the identity of those who carried out the shooting of Vanessa Chandler? Why did they send the bike messenger and agents to kill Cat in the subway? It can't have been Bob Reynolds. He would never have ordered a hit on Cat or Vanessa. Who killed Thomas Chandler and why? In Season 2, Who sent the sniper in the chopper who took out the guy who was just about to talk at the end of the siege at the precinct in 'Hostages'? Who ordered the killing of the guy who planted Windsor's heart in Vincent's fridge? Again, it wasn't Bob. He only paid the guy to plant the heart.
Vincent - What was he thinking handing himself into Graydal? We know they need to keep him alive but really. I don't think I can last two weeks to find out what happens next.
One thing I really liked about this episode (although it was also the most heartbreaking aspect) was the realisation, by Vincent and Cat, that things were never going to be normal for them. It's like they've been kidding themselves and lying to themselves, and each other, that they can get past this and solve all their problems. But that is NEVER going to happen. This acceptance was actually kind of refreshing and made their situation all the more tragic and believable. Perhaps now they can free themselves from searching for the impossible and come up with a plan that will enable them to escape with their lives (and love) intact, even if it leads them to another life, doing another job, in another city, somewhere in the world. As long as they're together. That seems to be the best that they can hope for at this point.
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Post by bbatb on Jul 25, 2016 6:35:57 GMT -5
Just did a quick check and watched the cabin scene in Cold Turkey. It IS the same cabin! Both inside and out. But surely Cat wouldn't have picked the same cabin for their 6 month anniversary getaway? So I think it's suppose to be different. I can't believe the showmakers would think that fans wouldn't notice! Couldn't they have found another location? Sheesh! I had the exact same thought BeastieBoy and already recognized the cabin from the promo where this yellow sign is hanging behind Catherine's head and it is clearly visible in Cold Turkey. They DID change the curtains and somebody put most of the books in the bookshelf correctly. If you watch Cold Turkey you see that ALL the books are stuffed in with their spines backwards, so nobody could read the titles - always had to laugh when I watched it. Let's just go with the 'budget cut' excuse - the episode was so darn good that I don't really care about the cabin (but of course I, too, watched Cold Turkey last night one more time to memorize the cabin inside and out. LOL. Glad that I am NOT obsessed. Double LOL).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 7:06:54 GMT -5
Few more highlights for me:
Vincent's face during the Graydal meeting at the bar, while they were talking about the beast... Calling himself a "thing" or an "experiment gone wrong" was hard and Jay's face tells that all. I think he was kidding about the "faster than bullets" coz he thought to have more possibility if they shoot him with guns and bullet (thanks to the blur power) than the tranq gun that would have made him unconscious
Cat putting her head on Vincent shoulder on the wharf and him leaning down with his head: I don't remember the same gesture before in BATB
Their interwined hands during the walk in the park, but Vincent was in some way distant, he barely look Cat in the eyes.. her hand is very tiny
At the end Vincent decided to turn himself into Graydal to meet the person who want to have a beast... I mean: or he want to do a sort of gladiator show for fun (not knowing exactly what is beast power) or he want to use him as a weapon and what is it better for Vincent reputation than capture such a world enemy and maybe fake his own death in the process?
At the very end someone hit Vincent... I think he could be none of the present around table and neither the one who wants the beast... maybe Grace's source and/or maybe.... Kyle? what do you think?
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Jul 25, 2016 7:23:15 GMT -5
Loved the episode and one thing that made go grrrr was last week when they did'nt need to be worried about being seen and Vincent wanted some more 'together' time the writers had Cat talking and bringing up the remote now this week out in the open Cat us the one who wants some goodness from Vincent and he is the one pulling back at first, I was like seriously writers.
As soon as I saw the promo I wasn't sure if it was the same Cabin from season 1 but as soon as they pulled up I knew it was from the outside but even more once they walked in, but that didn't bother me as it's been said Alex took Vincent with the intention of getting under the bed sheets but it was purely a one sided intention. Loved too the walk they had after there mini row and the music and fog were just heart breaking. Seeing Jay chopping that wood was sexxxxxyyyyyy as hell.
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