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Post by bookworm on Jan 16, 2014 15:19:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure about that. his forehead and face was covered with sweat when he collapsed after rescuing Tori from her attackers... maybe... caused by the pain in his wound? or maybe just sweat. But he was definitely suffering! It was a tear. I didn't notice it too until I rewatched the ep AND saw this gifset: t.co/SdqkI94koe Check the last gif. Yeah it looks like it. I only have a small screen on my laptop so I guess those who have a flat screen are lucky to see every detail clearly! Or own a projector and look at JR's body which must look huge on that! ..... You know who you are!!!
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Post by Nelly on Jan 16, 2014 16:10:25 GMT -5
It was a tear. I didn't notice it too until I rewatched the ep AND saw this gifset: t.co/SdqkI94koe Check the last gif. Yeah it looks like it. I only have a small screen on my laptop so I guess those who have a flat screen are lucky to see every detail clearly! Or own a projector and look at JR's body which must look huge on that! ..... You know who you are!!! I have no idea what you are talking about! Now this smiley goes with the pic. BTW that is definitely a tear! Even more heartbreaking…
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Post by bookworm on Jan 16, 2014 16:19:31 GMT -5
Yeah it looks like it. I only have a small screen on my laptop so I guess those who have a flat screen are lucky to see every detail clearly! Or own a projector and look at JR's body which must look huge on that! ..... You know who you are!!! I have no idea what you are talking about! Now this smiley goes with the pic. BTW that is definitely a tear! Even more heartbreaking… Ok Nelly, when did you say I can come over, next Monday? Ohhh thank you so much, that's sooooooooo kind of you, but you really shouldn't have... Just kidding. Don't worry I won't disturb your JR moments.....
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 16, 2014 16:30:53 GMT -5
Yeah it looks like it. I only have a small screen on my laptop so I guess those who have a flat screen are lucky to see every detail clearly! Or own a projector and look at JR's body which must look huge on that! ..... You know who you are!!! I have no idea what you are talking about! Now this smiley goes with the pic. BTW that is definitely a tear! Even more heartbreaking… that is not fair lol, i want one of those
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Post by Nelly on Jan 16, 2014 16:35:57 GMT -5
I have no idea what you are talking about! Now this smiley goes with the pic. BTW that is definitely a tear! Even more heartbreaking… that is not fair lol, i want one of those You mean a shirtless Vincent?
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 16, 2014 16:37:19 GMT -5
that is not fair lol, i want one of those You mean a shirtless Vincent? lol yeap actually yes that will do thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 16:39:58 GMT -5
Yeah it looks like it. I only have a small screen on my laptop so I guess those who have a flat screen are lucky to see every detail clearly! Or own a projector and look at JR's body which must look huge on that! ..... You know who you are!!! I have no idea what you are talking about! Now this smiley goes with the pic. BTW that is definitely a tear! Even more heartbreaking… If I had that man "bigger than life size" in my living looking like that I might just have a heart attack......not as young as I used to be.
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Post by feezya on Jan 16, 2014 17:05:32 GMT -5
a dog.... it is a diffent way to spell it he aint a dawg though, not in my view anyway ahhh... ok... thanks! well, I don't think he's a dog and probably feezya neither! I sense some sarcasm there! am I right? you are good at reading people I just read the recap from the showcase duo. they like to use that word and called vincent that a few times already
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Post by Windflwr on Jan 16, 2014 19:06:25 GMT -5
Sorry, I disagree. Read any fanfic that has S2 as a theme here and/or on FanFiction.net and you'll see how it's possible to have an interesting show with the main characters fighting battles, still being people with integrity and being in love. but each fanfic is one individual story - how many fanfics would u need to put together to make a 5 season 110 episode arc - and if you put them together, the ideas become quite similar or do not blend well together. it really is not easy to create a successful 5 season arc for any show and that is why most shows are decent for 2 or 3 seasons max and then become unrelatable. unless the procedural element is very strong in the show so the character development and mythology progress is really slow - i have only watched a bit of supernatural for example, but the first season was essentially all procedural (them solving problems) with very little revelations after their characters and personal lives. TVD i never really liked but after season 2 it became crazy. IMO, three seasons is the perfect length for most shows. I wish we did what other countries do, and that is purchase a show of a certain length. That gives the writers what they need to work with to provide a good beginning, middle and a satisfying ending. Leaving it open-ended means every season might be the last or might not, and that's tough for the writers and actors and fans, combined.
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Post by Windflwr on Jan 16, 2014 19:09:57 GMT -5
@vincentchandler I agree with you. They did not have to assassinate Vincent's character to make the show more exciting or get more viewers. That is the most difficult thing for me this season....
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Post by yfaruqi on Jan 16, 2014 20:35:11 GMT -5
Gabe...I'm with you on that one. It was much too convenient for him to suddenly be a noble dude. The only 2 possibilities there are that either he's NOT so noble, and he's secretly still self-interested (which would be fun to watch) OR his character actually did a complete 180 because the producer cares more about a synthetic love triangle than believable storytelling. I imagine it's the later, the season 2 show runners wanted to throw a wedge between VinCat and probably wanted to have other love interests for both of them. My guess would be that they wanted to keep the actor who played Gabe and also saw the opportunity to move him into Cat's love interest spot. The problem is they didn't really care much about season 1 about how Gabe was not a good person (yes he wasn't pure evil but he definitely wasn't Vincent 1.0 who was a good and noble person, after all he was prepared to kill VinCat and also didn't care about his gf's life who was pretty devoted to him). I didn't mind him being part of the show but the deeper we get into this season the more annoying his characters gets for me. If he was truly sincere about redemption he would never come between VinCat regardless of his personal feelings being one of the few people who knew what they meant for each other. At least that's how I feel. JT is the only friend VinCat has and one of the revelations we had now is he was only there for Vincent because he felt responsible not because Vincent was his best friend. The writers have gone to great lengths to eradicate the supposed mistakes they made in season 1 by showing epic love and epic friend-ship, two concepts that maybe were the reason season 1 didn't have good ratings...
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Post by nosleep3 on Jan 17, 2014 0:16:50 GMT -5
Gabe...I'm with you on that one. It was much too convenient for him to suddenly be a noble dude. The only 2 possibilities there are that either he's NOT so noble, and he's secretly still self-interested (which would be fun to watch) OR his character actually did a complete 180 because the producer cares more about a synthetic love triangle than believable storytelling. I imagine it's the later, the season 2 show runners wanted to throw a wedge between VinCat and probably wanted to have other love interests for both of them. My guess would be that they wanted to keep the actor who played Gabe and also saw the opportunity to move him into Cat's love interest spot. The problem is they didn't really care much about season 1 about how Gabe was not a good person (yes he wasn't pure evil but he definitely wasn't Vincent 1.0 who was a good and noble person, after all he was prepared to kill VinCat and also didn't care about his gf's life who was pretty devoted to him). I didn't mind him being part of the show but the deeper we get into this season the more annoying his characters gets for me. If he was truly sincere about redemption he would never come between VinCat regardless of his personal feelings being one of the few people who knew what they meant for each other. At least that's how I feel. JT is the only friend VinCat has and one of the revelations we had now is he was only there for Vincent because he felt responsible not because Vincent was his best friend. The writers have gone to great lengths to eradicate the supposed mistakes they made in season 1 by showing epic love and epic friend-ship, two concepts that maybe were the reason season 1 didn't have good ratings... I'm not convinced that JT was there for Vincent "only" because he felt responsible instead of because of their friendship. Those things aren't mutually exclusive--if I did something that caused my best friend harm, I would feel guilty, but I would also care about that person because we've been friends for twenty-five years. After all, the reason JT gave Vincent's name for the program in the first place was because he thought it would give his best friend an edge that would keep him alive. (And let's also remember that Vincent consented to it because the program coordinator lied to him, not because JT personally convinced him Project Muirfield was a good idea.)
But yeah, this season the producer and the writers have pretty much scrapped all the good stuff about season 1 to create conflict. According to the producer himself, Vincent and Catherine need to explore who they each are on their own, without the other. And that's actually fine, if your main characters are teenagers who are still growing up, because that's the age when they're doing that anyway. The problem I have with that is that Vincent is in his mid-thirties, and Catherine is nearly thirty herself. They had years to figure out who they were independently of each other. Because of this amnesia crap, there's now a cheat, in which Vincent literally has no idea who he was for more than three months before Catherine came along, and I feel like it's an excuse to write as though both the characters were still in their youth and discovering their own identities.
If the writers want to improve their ratings, maybe they should stop resorting to cheap tricks and start treating the characters like adults.
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Post by yfaruqi on Jan 17, 2014 4:28:49 GMT -5
I'm not convinced that JT was there for Vincent "only" because he felt responsible instead of because of their friendship. Those things aren't mutually exclusive--if I did something that caused my best friend harm, I would feel guilty, but I would also care about that person because we've been friends for twenty-five years. After all, the reason JT gave Vincent's name for the program in the first place was because he thought it would give his best friend an edge that would keep him alive. (And let's also remember that Vincent consented to it because the program coordinator lied to him, not because JT personally convinced him Project Muirfield was a good idea.)
But yeah, this season the producer and the writers have pretty much scrapped all the good stuff about season 1 to create conflict. According to the producer himself, Vincent and Catherine need to explore who they each are on their own, without the other. And that's actually fine, if your main characters are teenagers who are still growing up, because that's the age when they're doing that anyway. The problem I have with that is that Vincent is in his mid-thirties, and Catherine is nearly thirty herself. They had years to figure out who they were independently of each other. Because of this amnesia crap, there's now a cheat, in which Vincent literally has no idea who he was for more than three months before Catherine came along, and I feel like it's an excuse to write as though both the characters were still in their youth and discovering their own identities.
If the writers want to improve their ratings, maybe they should stop resorting to cheap tricks and start treating the characters like adults.
I think that's the problem right there as one of the complaints leveled at season 1 was that it's giving the wrong message to teenage girls that if you think you are in love with a guy it's ok to just go for that and ignore everything else in your life including your friends and family. Of course you are absolutely right that Cat is not a teenage girl even though throughout the show she has been treated like that even in season 1 by her sister and her best friend.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 17, 2014 4:38:17 GMT -5
I imagine it's the later, the season 2 show runners wanted to throw a wedge between VinCat and probably wanted to have other love interests for both of them. My guess would be that they wanted to keep the actor who played Gabe and also saw the opportunity to move him into Cat's love interest spot. The problem is they didn't really care much about season 1 about how Gabe was not a good person (yes he wasn't pure evil but he definitely wasn't Vincent 1.0 who was a good and noble person, after all he was prepared to kill VinCat and also didn't care about his gf's life who was pretty devoted to him). I didn't mind him being part of the show but the deeper we get into this season the more annoying his characters gets for me. If he was truly sincere about redemption he would never come between VinCat regardless of his personal feelings being one of the few people who knew what they meant for each other. At least that's how I feel. JT is the only friend VinCat has and one of the revelations we had now is he was only there for Vincent because he felt responsible not because Vincent was his best friend. The writers have gone to great lengths to eradicate the supposed mistakes they made in season 1 by showing epic love and epic friend-ship, two concepts that maybe were the reason season 1 didn't have good ratings... I'm not convinced that JT was there for Vincent "only" because he felt responsible instead of because of their friendship. Those things aren't mutually exclusive--if I did something that caused my best friend harm, I would feel guilty, but I would also care about that person because we've been friends for twenty-five years. After all, the reason JT gave Vincent's name for the program in the first place was because he thought it would give his best friend an edge that would keep him alive. (And let's also remember that Vincent consented to it because the program coordinator lied to him, not because JT personally convinced him Project Muirfield was a good idea.)
But yeah, this season the producer and the writers have pretty much scrapped all the good stuff about season 1 to create conflict. According to the producer himself, Vincent and Catherine need to explore who they each are on their own, without the other. And that's actually fine, if your main characters are teenagers who are still growing up, because that's the age when they're doing that anyway. The problem I have with that is that Vincent is in his mid-thirties, and Catherine is nearly thirty herself. They had years to figure out who they were independently of each other. Because of this amnesia crap, there's now a cheat, in which Vincent literally has no idea who he was for more than three months before Catherine came along, and I feel like it's an excuse to write as though both the characters were still in their youth and discovering their own identities.
If the writers want to improve their ratings, maybe they should stop resorting to cheap tricks and start treating the characters like adults.
i have to disagree about the part where u talk about self discovery. that can happen at any age, whether u are 14 or 65. It is an ongoing process. in the case of vincent and catherine they have had issues that they had not resolved individually in season 1 (vincent coming to terms with his beast side, catherine resolving issues stemming from her mom's murder). then other major things happened in both their lives as well which made the need for self discovery even more important. all i would like to see now is how this is explored and achieved by the time they get together in episode 16. i will need to be convinced that they have grown individually and hence can be stronger together,
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Post by kiki09 on Jan 17, 2014 5:09:12 GMT -5
^ Very true. A lot of things from season have themselves not even been resolved let alone added complications of season 2.
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