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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 21:49:37 GMT -5
So did anyone realize they are now engaged? I know JT knew Vincent was planning to ask Cat. Yes, they have told Tess and Heather; I get the feeling that a few days have passed since the proposal.
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Post by texasscotian on Jun 14, 2015 21:51:21 GMT -5
It wasn't the worst episode I've seen and yet it wasn't the best one either. I feel kinda in the middle about this one. I too would get really bored if every week was always hearts and flowers, etc., etc. Is it just me, or does any one else feel like Tess and JT's chemistry is gone now?? I just wasn't feeling their chemistry tonight. Maybe after I watch it again tomorrow, I'll feel differently. Couple of random thoughts:
1) I found it kinda weird.. or maybe unusual that Heather would give Vincent a peck on the cheek. Maybe it's just me, but I don't do that with my brother-in-law. I could have seen her giving him a hug, but the kiss was just I dunno..
2) Sometime I'd like to see Vincent talking Catherine down "off the ledge" so to speak. I get that she is the only one who can bring him out of his beastly rage, but it just seems to me that, that theme is going to get old really quickly if that's all we see week after week. I know I'm not explaining myself properly, but I hope the gist of what I'm trying to say is understood.
3) I'm glad to see that at the end, before all hell broke loose again, that Catherine finally came to her senses somewhat, and realized that she has to learn how to give and take. Now that she and Vincent are making a real commitment, she has to learn how to balance. That is to say, that she and Vincent BOTH have to learn how to compromise. My wish.. is that they get a new apartment or house together, so that they're starting fresh. That it's not just Vincent moving in to Catherine's place or vice versa. I totally get why Vincent was having the "primal issues" though. Honestly, Catherine was driving me nuts at first; she was acting too much like Heather to me. Heather was kinda driving me nuts as well.
Those are just my two cents worth of an opinion.. maybe once I watch it again tomorrow, I'll feel differently.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 22:07:07 GMT -5
You explained yourself perfectly, texasscotian!!!!
The kiss seemed normal and natural to me coming from Heather; it fits her personality. She's warm and welcoming. I did not give it a second thought because in my culture we kiss people we meet for the first time,as long as they know someone we know.
I agree, they will need to find a lot more innovative ways for Cat to "talk Vincent off the ledge" if that is going to be the pattern this season...but I hope we're moving on soon!
Again, I agree, Tess and JT are more like brother and sister or best buddies in their interactions..but best buddies is a good place to start...like you, I did feel more chemistry in some of their interactions last season.
For me, based on the kind of relationship VinCat have, the opening scene seemed forced and unnatural. All relationships have their issues, that wasn't one that felt real for them in my understanding of their characters and their relationship.
Some scenes were really funny, some felt overacted to me.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jun 14, 2015 22:26:33 GMT -5
You people are killing me here!! Give me SOME details.
I can guess from what little I originally saw that Cat is territorial of her place. And that is the issue. It is supposed to be THEIR PLACE moving forward. And realistically, especially in NY, you can't just up and move to another new place. So they need to make it work.
But you are dealing with Vincent and Catherine, two people who constantly have to feel like they have little to no control over their lives when they walk out the front door. Hence, they want to control every little thing within their four walls. And that means having things that say "home" to you. Only now, that home is supposed to be together.
(And I was wondering myself: where on earth do you put all of Vincent's workout stuff. I mean, on the houseboat, it is cleverly placed to pull down from above or slide under a desk. So where do you put it at girly Cat's place?) And his stuff naturally does not match hers.
So how did they resolve the issues? ANY smootchie/touchie-feely scenes at all?
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 15, 2015 0:28:32 GMT -5
You people are killing me here!! Give me SOME details. I can guess from what little I originally saw that Cat is territorial of her place. And that is the issue. It is supposed to be THEIR PLACE moving forward. And realistically, especially in NY, you can't just up and move to another new place. So they need to make it work. But you are dealing with Vincent and Catherine, two people who constantly have to feel like they have little to no control over their lives when they walk out the front door. Hence, they want to control every little thing within their four walls. And that means having things that say "home" to you. Only now, that home is supposed to be together. (And I was wondering myself: where on earth do you put all of Vincent's workout stuff. I mean, on the houseboat, it is cleverly placed to pull down from above or slide under a desk. So where do you put it at girly Cat's place?) And his stuff naturally does not match hers. So how did they resolve the issues? ANY smootchie/touchie-feely scenes at all? there were a few sweet moments towards the end i may write a review later today and will explain what my issue was (and it was not the lack of smoochie moments (not that i would not want more, but that was not the issue) - though to be fair you will need to watch it to understand how it plays out . as u can see views on this are quite divided i myself may change my mind when i get time to rewatch it, who knows
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jun 15, 2015 1:05:22 GMT -5
You.People.Are.KILLING.Me.
I'm worried about an "Ever After" type of situation, where Catherine is made to look petty again. I saw the humor they were going for in that episode overall, yet it still kind of pitted VinCat against each other and uncommunicative in a way I didn't like. And WASN'T reflective of how BADLY they wanted to be together as a couple, no matter what. I mean, Catherine almost sucks the joy out of a sweet potential for SOME domestic bliss, and I DON'T need to see THAT again!
I KNOW the showrunners/writers need to break up serious moments and moving the plot forward with little "breaks" of humor, but I have not liked how it makes the characters appear at times. I DON'T want Catherine to appear to be the girl that has to be told to value her relationship more than her stuff. It should be blatantly obvious to her and anyone that moving in means making a place "theirs" and not just him moving into "her" place. I frankly want to observe the pleasure in having the two of them decide how to make the place theirs, meaning they agree mutually to change the place. I mean, Catherine was so HAPPY about marrying Vincent and spending her life with him, so I don't want to see them moving 8 steps backwards for every half-step forwards.
COME ON people! GIVE ME SOMETHING!!! I have had a LOUSY weekend. I am still at WORK after 2 a.m. in the morning. And I have to be back here in 6 1/2 hours. So give me my escapism, PLEASE! Have pity on a poor overwhelmed Beastie (especially when I see and hear everyone else going on vacations.). I'll TAKE the VinCat information. I can wait on the plot not directly related to them. Please OH PLEASE!!!
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Post by dina on Jun 15, 2015 1:33:16 GMT -5
Okay so I just finished watching the episode..
I found this episode really interesting.. idk if they're taking the same route as season 2, where there was a new beast each episode.. because it seems in season 3 theres a new victim of the experiment each episode as well.
It didn't really have any romantic VinCat moments, they just had a little moment in the end.. but it didn't really satisfy me. I guess the first episode spoiled me so my expectations for them are higher regarding their romance. Even though this episode was lacking VinCat, I really loved it. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm kinda glad there wasn't much VinCat romance. I think the writers are trying to balance the season out, otherwise seeing romance between them throughout the season won't be as exciting, so I'm guessing next episode they'll makeup for the romance.
I think thats what makes us so obsessed with their relationship. In season 1 it took a while for the writers to finally get them together, so we had a chance to fall in love with Vincent the way Catherine did. In season 2 they were apart for a while and when the writers finally put them back together we felt the tension as well, like we were going through the journey with Catherine again. Thats why the last episodes of season 2 were amazing, because we waited so long for those moments. & in season 3, they can't keep them apart again, so they have to balance their romance. They make us miss it, and that's when they surprise us with the VinCat moment again.. it's the longing of their romance that makes us over whelmed with joy once we receive it.
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Post by tonysol on Jun 15, 2015 1:34:26 GMT -5
To be fair I think in the end Cat understood Vincent's issues with moving in. I think Cat in the beginning wasn't really sure how to handle a guy moving in with her - I mean she only had Heather staying with her at one time and no brothers, while Vincent only ever had brothers, so living full time with a member of the opposite sex surely needs some adjustment. Cat initially gave Vincent ONE drawer for his stuff - I mean, come on! But by the end of the episode, she was more understanding so I think they are on their way to working things out. Cat also admitted that she was kinda scared by this whole cohabitation issue. And Vincent towards the end was also NOT starting to beast out when the conversation veered towards domestic issues.
BOTW was a bit more fleshed out in characterisation. Understand why the FBI agents were so one dimensional so far as well.
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Post by corinne on Jun 15, 2015 1:52:28 GMT -5
Wached it very quickly after I found it, and while having breakfast, etc...so no fully concentrated. I'll watch again tonight. For me too the Heather peck was not an issue, in France we RARELY if not NEVER hug! we cheek kiss, so normal Their were some funny moments, Vincent made me smile a few times. And he's so naturally talented, whatever he has to play!!! About their moving together, that's just normal adjusting, her being her expected woman when a guy comes in with all his stuff, so that was ok for me. JT and Tess, I've always liked them, they're fun and they're so important to our main duo, but I never felt chemistry between them, so I'm not disappointed like you Texasscotian. I don't expect their love story to put me on the edge of my seat. And that is not a problem, I have more than enough with Vincat, couldn't handle another love story like this one on the same show! What was a bit annoying maybe in that ep, was that is was too light I guess. I missed the in-depth connection between Vincent and Catherine, the eyes connection....we had some at the end, but not enough. Ok we won't have that each time they speak to each others, so I'm fine.
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Post by tonysol on Jun 15, 2015 2:26:58 GMT -5
What I do miss so far is ass-kickin Cat! Ep 1 she was basically shoved around and spent the rest of the time calming down Vincent, apart from all the romantic stuff. Ep 2 she's basically calming Vincent AND the BOTW down as well (though frankly I don't really buy why the guy would listen to her - Vincent yeah, of course, but unless she's got some kind of "charmspeak" as part of the Reynolds heritage, it shouldn't have worked).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 3:00:07 GMT -5
Ok I will see the episode later this day, but from what you have written here I know that I will love the episode as much as i've loved Ever After
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Post by vickyd on Jun 15, 2015 3:35:07 GMT -5
I only watched it once (very early in the morning) so I wouldn't risk reviewing it just yet. However, once it finished the first thought that came to my mind was "nice pacing at last!". Creating a 13-episode season has its "perks" (ha ha ha!). They move the story fast. My second thought was "somebody else can create a small smile apart from Austin". Great facial expressions, McBeastie!
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Post by ebeline on Jun 15, 2015 4:11:31 GMT -5
Ok I just watched this ep and I really like it. It wasn't romantic as the last one but for me the whole stuff really make sense. I love the V in this ep very much he was so S 1 V. ( for me) I will comment about this a little later but I need to rewatch some scenes again. Victoria I totaly understand you, it would be the same for me if I couldn't watch the ep now. LOL
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 15, 2015 5:10:18 GMT -5
Firstly, I am glad that many liked this episode. I was not overly keen on it so I am sorry for spreading negativity when so many of you loved it… There was nothing majorly wrong with the episode in that it flowed well and left us with a decent cliff hanger and there seems to be continuity of sorts. The pace was good as well and I was not bored though I did switch off during the case of the week in parts. There were some cute scenes or/and funny scenes (jt-tess and bro, heather and Vincent, cat and Vincent in the car, heather and cat, last vincat scene etc). But the episode left me somewhat cold, in a similar way that ever after had left me cold. I have not watched ever after much because it had no emotional impact on me – and I am afraid neither did this episode. I was also upset cause this is only the 2nd episode of a 13 episode season and made me doubt the direction, intentions etc of the writers. One of the things that stood out for me in this show and why I fell in love with it in season 1 was the achingly romantic feel to it and the maturity of emotions. Yes, the cases of the week were often lame but one thing that was done amazingly IMO is the character evolution and how their emotional complexities were depicted. Relationships and people for the most part (not just talking about vincat here) felt very real and grounded and their emotions felt raw and rich. I took these characters very seriously. I do not expect season 2 or 3 or 4 to be like season 1 and i don’t necessarily want them to be but there are a few things that need to stay put, the episodes need for one reason or another to stir my emotions. I need to feel the urge to rewatch and i need to finish the episode feeling satisfied and hungry for more I did not feel like this like this in 302. I am not sure I can fully recognise these characters in this episode. Not sure what to think about who Vincent is and who Catherine is – this episode left me confused once again and left me feeling somewhat empty. I was not keen on the premise – Vincent having primal commitment issues and i disliked the execution of the premise. I understand moving in together can be stressful (though I can’t see the relevance in this case – at least with my understanding of what Vincent is like as a character and what his needs are) but still even the way it was handled was just not right for me. This first scene left a bad taste in my mouth. Really did. I also felt it was overacted by Jay in parts (and that says a lot cause I absolutely adore jay’s acting abilities – he really is special acting wise IMO). And when did cat ever have issues with playing video games or focused on things like lamps and furniture? I do not want the show to focus on petty issues which is what I think happened here. Lets focus on things that really matter. There are so many things that they could have addressed and so many barriers/obstacles that they could explore, not just talking about external barriers here. I understand that the real underlying theme of the episode may not have just been about Vincent’s fears of commitment and I understand the writers want to show us that they are not there yet and there are many problems they need to overcome including understanding what they really want and how they want to live their lives but come on please explore these issues in a way that is true to the characters that we got to love.... I also felt there were many discussions in this episode about how people felt (repetitive ones as well, again) but it was just not believable. small example: in 301 j.t. did not need to speak about how he felt, it was very clear through his body language that he was not ok. in302 he explicitly said to vincent "i feel not myself" but I just did not feel it...people kept talking to each other about feelings and i was like, ok ... so what? i need to feel how u feel, you talking to me about it in a repetitive manner just does not cut it for me. With 301 there was lots of repetitive writing – that did not bother me too much a) cause there are many things i liked about the episode, and b) cause it was the premiere and I would expect that in a premiere. But cat’s (for example) pep talk again to Vincent and lightning dude was another replica of previous episodes and this time I could not fully justify it. Are the writers out of ideas and creativity in episode 302? Are we going round in circles? Really unsure at this stage. I am also unsure about cat’s role so far this season – I guess it is early on in the season but I need to see more from her character going forward – she was not even kicking ass in this episode. I do know from spoilers that this may change soon, but it did cross my mind that I need to see more or/and something different. The case of the week was also not that interesting to me though I do understand it (to some extent) contributed to plot development so I will just wait and see...still i was switching off at parts.... Jt and Tess – too much screen time together though i enjoyed the bro scene....I don’t really care about another couple, let alone J.T. and tess – their scenes are all very very similar and as I said before I am more interested in their individual storylines. Together their relationship is more like brother and sister. Ok – the way I am talking here u will think i hated the episode. I did not hate it. But i did not like it enough. And at this stage I feel the writers need to bring it for each episode and we also need consistency. It is like the episodes have multiple personalities. There is such lack of consistency and a distinct lack of identity . What is batb’s unique character as a show – i feel like we knew what it was in season 1 (with all its positives and negatives) but I feel we are kind of lost here at this stage...what is the show’s unique selling point? Writers still need to figure it out....this is how i felt anyway watching this episode.... Ok again apologies for my long, negative review, just needed to express my feelings and get it out of the way...i understand i am one of the few who felt this way Will forget about it now and stay hopeful for what is in store going forward. End of rant.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 5:19:02 GMT -5
One of the issues I have, alwayscrazedbatbfan, is that nothing I have seen so far has ever led me to believe that "home" is an important matter for C and V. There was nothing about the boathouse that screamed "this is Vincent Keller's abode" to me (definitely decorated for a killing machine we plan to kill off once he's done all the killing we need him to do)....and who redecorated Catherine's apartment during the time she was desperately looking for Vincent (definitely not C-we are supposed to suspend disbelief and pretend the apartment always looked that way)?? They have tons of other potential issues they should be dealing with and addressing as they move in together...yes, inject a little humor, but this bordered on farce, and use it with a matter that has substance and meaning in the lives of the characters. Forgive my little rant, please. Like anapi -season3baby :), I will write some thoughts down later, once I've watched it again. I am actually relieved that most beasties really enjoyed the episode; I hope you don't judge me too harshly because I only found it OK.
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