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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 0:03:31 GMT -5
Words fail me on this episode. That's the most repetitive inane dialog I can remember on any BATB episode since the beginning. How does Brad Kern still have a job?
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 12, 2015 1:57:40 GMT -5
Words fail me on this episode. That's the most repetitive inane dialog I can remember on any BATB episode since the beginning. How does Brad Kern still have a job? i thought it was a fun episode but the writing was kinda see when i talk about how Vincat is written this is one of the things that bugs me the most - yes they don't have many moments (and the writers are IMO so wrong in not creating opportunities for such moments) but also the writing is often so repetitive and sterile and over explaining things that you also get very little from their normal, day to day conversations. their convos do not feel believable and they are definitely not memorable. and they also do not evoke any sort of emotions - at least to me, I am sure others feel differently and then other times during the episodes the writing flows really well - so I do not understand why they get it so wrong for their key dialogues...
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Post by Laura on Jul 12, 2015 4:01:51 GMT -5
Now where to start. I always LOVE it when my fellow Beasties wax eloquent on what they do and don't like about what is on BATB this season! Now on to the stuff I can't resist or felt should respond to: First up: Laura. I wasn't offended I was merely explaining that some of us, who aren't "loving" this season, aren't necessarily dissatisfied because we keep comparing it with season 1 All good
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 8:16:03 GMT -5
i thought it was a fun episode but the writing was kinda see when i talk about how Vincat is written this is one of the things that bugs me the most - yes they don't have many moments (and the writers are IMO so wrong in not creating opportunities for such moments) but also the writing is often so repetitive and sterile and over explaining things that you also get very little from their normal, day to day conversations. their convos do not feel believable and they are definitely not memorable. and they also do not evoke any sort of emotions - at least to me, I am sure others feel differently and then other times during the episodes the writing flows really well - so I do not understand why they get it so wrong for their key dialogues... JT did much of the exposition delivery in S2, but now they have Cat and Vin doing it too. It's much more distracting this way. The entire first (teaser) section of the episode was repetitive exposition and most of the second section as well. JT must have broken the speed limit by a considerable margin to get to Lake Placid so quickly. There were a couple of good moments in the episode, but not nearly enough. I miss Heather. Oh well.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 12, 2015 23:07:14 GMT -5
DAVE,
So I wasn't the only one that thought JT must have also driven like a bat out of Hades in order to get to the lake in time! I mean, it couldn't have taken Bob too long to truss up Vincent, since he wouldn't want to risk Vincent waking while he was getting him ready to travel.
But I figured that if you knew you had the POWER to heal yourself, you REALLY wouldn't be too concerned about car crashes on the way to the Lake! (And JT probably wasn't concerned about being arrested, either, having friends on the police force!)
And I actually miss Heather as well, to a point. I LIKED how Vincent seemed to be coming to see her as his own little annoying sister. I mean, he didn't even beast out on Heather previously in 303 when she was all over him about the wedding.
I have ALWAYS enjoyed the theme on BATB that you Family is WHO YOU CHOOSE to make your family, because they are the ones that come through for you. (Which is why Bob Reynolds will never really be Cat's actual family to me no matter how many times she calls him "dad," unless he takes to changing his ways!) And I was seeing Heather slowly being incorporated into the VinCat family, prior to her absence in the last episode and this one. And we KNOW she is still is NY, if JT was calling her to come and get him before plunging down thoes stairs last eppy.
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Post by mocha83 on Jul 12, 2015 23:15:07 GMT -5
Words fail me on this episode. That's the most repetitive inane dialog I can remember on any BATB episode since the beginning. How does Brad Kern still have a job? i thought it was a fun episode but the writing was kinda see when i talk about how Vincat is written this is one of the things that bugs me the most - yes they don't have many moments (and the writers are IMO so wrong in not creating opportunities for such moments) but also the writing is often so repetitive and sterile and over explaining things that you also get very little from their normal, day to day conversations. their convos do not feel believable and they are definitely not memorable. and they also do not evoke any sort of emotions - at least to me, I am sure others feel differently and then other times during the episodes the writing flows really well - so I do not understand why they get it so wrong for their key dialogues... So. Much. WORD!
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 13, 2015 1:59:28 GMT -5
Yup the VinCat dialogue is too repetitive, a niggling gripe I've had since 301. Speaking of 301, I just realized something. With all Cat's talk in 301 & 302 about not killing an innocent, as that would cause Vincent to lose his humanity, a line that can't be crossed or all will be lost. Well, didn't Vincent just do that to Bob!? WTF!? But Cat makes no mention of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 9:19:08 GMT -5
They don't pay any attention to believe-ability or continuity issues on BATB, so the JT driving thing was just another amusing data point. The repetitive dialog is completely over the top this season, but existed in S2 quite a bit also. I find that much more irritating than the continuity issues. I was being somewhat sarcastic with my Heather comment. I guess not everyone caught that?
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Post by Laura on Jul 13, 2015 9:43:34 GMT -5
They don't pay any attention to believe-ability or continuity issues on BATB, so the JT driving thing was just another amusing data point. The repetitive dialog is completely over the top this season, but existed in S2 quite a bit also. I find that much more irritating than the continuity issues. I was being somewhat sarcastic with my Heather comment. I guess not everyone caught that? I certainly didn't I love Heather, and I did miss her in this episode. But I agree with you on the rest of your points.
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Post by texasscotian on Jul 13, 2015 10:05:46 GMT -5
Yup the VinCat dialogue is too repetitive, a niggling gripe I've had since 301. Speaking of 301, I just realized something. With all Cat's talk in 301 & 302 about not killing an innocent, as that would cause Vincent to lose his humanity, a line that can't be crossed or all will be lost. Well, didn't Vincent just do that to Bob!? WTF!? But Cat makes no mention of it. I think Bob was a gray area for Cat; she probably doesn't consider him an "innocent" so to speak. I think that had he and his wife not tried to kill both her and Vincent, she would have still considered him an innocent victim. However, since there were multiple attempts on their lives, all bets were off, and he was no longer innocent. Another thing that bugged the living daylights out of me in this episode, was the fact that neither Cat nor Tess "attempted" to do CPR on Carol. Yes I know that Carol intentionally stopped her heart, and that she was 'dead dead', but in any event, shouldn't they have 'pretended' to attempt to revive her. Wouldn't that have raised a whole lot of questions?? I mean seeing as both Cat and Tess are cops, I would think that they would have been trained to do CPR. I dunno... it's the real life little details that seem to be bugging me this season. Possibilities of Beasties and super humans running around the world? Got it.. understand it, have no issues believing that. Sci-Fi and or Fantasy, I have no trouble suspending belief. I mean is it just me?? Do I need to just learn to ignore these details that the writers don't address?? Color me extremely confused and bewildered...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 10:27:42 GMT -5
Another thing that bugged the living daylights out of me in this episode, was the fact that neither Cat nor Tess "attempted" to do CPR on Carol. Yes I know that Carol intentionally stopped her heart, and that she was 'dead dead', but in any event, shouldn't they have 'pretended' to attempt to revive her. For me Cat understand not only phisically but even emotionally what Carol must have felt the moment she understood that Bob was dead. And imagine herself in the same situation maybe she thought that it would be less painful for Carol killing herself instead of living without Bob (or Cat without Vincent)
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 13, 2015 13:01:59 GMT -5
They don't pay any attention to believe-ability or continuity issues on BATB, so the JT driving thing was just another amusing data point. The repetitive dialog is completely over the top this season, but existed in S2 quite a bit also. I find that much more irritating than the continuity issues. I was being somewhat sarcastic with my Heather comment. I guess not everyone caught that? i thought this heather comment was kinda directed to me lol (based on our previous heather interaction) - and yes I did get it lol though u know i feel differently
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Post by texasscotian on Jul 13, 2015 13:22:23 GMT -5
Another thing that bugged the living daylights out of me in this episode, was the fact that neither Cat nor Tess "attempted" to do CPR on Carol. Yes I know that Carol intentionally stopped her heart, and that she was 'dead dead', but in any event, shouldn't they have 'pretended' to attempt to revive her. For me Cat understand not only phisically but even emotionally what Carol must have felt the moment she understood that Bob was dead. And imagine herself in the same situation maybe she thought that it would be less painful for Carol killing herself instead of living without Bob (or Cat without Vincent) No I completely understand that. What bothered me however was that they didn't even "pretend" to CPR on Carol. Here they are in a police station, with a suspect, who dies under "mysterious" circumstances. Quite naturally, this is gonna raise a whole heck of a lot of questions. So consequently, under "normal" circumstances, even though Cat knew that Carol was ' dead dead' and sure as heck there would be no point in attempting to revive her, she and Tess just stand there looking at Carol, and don't even put on a show, to make it look like they were attempting to do CPR. That's what bugs me. I get that she understood why Carol did it and totally sympathized with her.
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Post by pippin on Jul 13, 2015 13:36:26 GMT -5
For me Cat understand not only phisically but even emotionally what Carol must have felt the moment she understood that Bob was dead. And imagine herself in the same situation maybe she thought that it would be less painful for Carol killing herself instead of living without Bob (or Cat without Vincent) No I completely understand that. What bothered me however was that they didn't even "pretend" to CPR on Carol. Here they are in a police station, with a suspect, who dies under "mysterious" circumstances. Quite naturally, this is gonna raise a whole heck of a lot of questions. So consequently, under "normal" circumstances, even though Cat knew that Carol was ' dead dead' and sure as heck there would be no point in attempting to revive her, she and Tess just stand there looking at Carol, and don't even put on a show, to make it look like they were attempting to do CPR. That's what bugs me. I get that she understood why Carol did it and totally sympathized with her. But Tess did do CPR on Carol. If you watch the scene again, Cat, I think, then puts her hand on Tess' shoulder and tells her that it won't do any good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 15:07:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure Cat/Tess could have thought that fast to put on a fake CPR show for their co-workers. The amount of thought that some of you posters put into deconstructing these episodes is impressive. I think I pick up on a lot of things, but I obviously miss a lot too.
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